You can choose to keep the customization only in the current document (custom toolbar loads when you open the document), or you can set it to be available for all spreadsheets.
While we're on the subject, let me mention that OO is much better than MSOfc in regards to formatting (both have character and paragraph styles, but only OO has page styles). On the other hand, OO has atrocious macro writing system.
It's OK for recording and replaying a macro, but with Excel, if you record a macro, you can figure out most of the resulting VB code. The resulting OO code is totally undecipherable. Please fix this, OO devs (if you can run VB code from Excel, just use that as the default language).
Yeah, this. I mean, if you can't stand ads, run an adblocker. But what's the point of DNT?
I see ads for Dell servers, iWeb web hosting, and some other stuff I've viewed recently. That makes sense because I'm in the market for that stuff.
What's the point of seeing ads for The Clapper and pet rocks when I'm not interested in that?
Consider: tracked ads mean that you can go to a website with a highly esoteric subject matter, and still get an ad that you're interested in. Otherwise, it's hard to see what kind of ad you could see for a site on medieval history. You wouldn't have such a site even existing.
I don't think it's about coding. It's more about your doctor knowing the basics of IT so he can ask intelligent questions, like "Will this doctor's office DB be able to send HTML emails?"
Sort of like you not knowing surgery, but at least knowing what a red blood cell, cholesterol, and blood pressure are.
Some people aren't understanding this. The point (I think) is to allow support personnel to understand the main business of the company. So, for example, in a law firm, the IT crew might take a shot at writing a legal argument.
But, and this is the crucial point, you wouldn't use that brief in "production" (i.e., give it to a judge). Similarly, putting code written by accountants into production is putting too much pressure on them.
Did IBM pay them salary during this 2 year training?
If so, did they make an undertaking that they would work for IBM after the training? (If they did, how would IBM enforce it if somebody said Goodbye and went to a different company?)
Basically, a blank toolbar with most of what you referenced. In turn:
Format-Column-Hide: present Select-Visable-Only: might have to install this OO extension Format-Cells-Accounting: Don't quite know what accounting format is. I used Currency format. Record Macro: I added this to the toolbar, but it's not showing for some reason. Didn't dig further at this time. Stop Macro: present Run Macro: I forgot to add this to the screenshot, but you can add it. (then the old ones): what does this mean? font size: present underline: present fill background blue: the background color selector remembers your previous color, in this case blue. Otherwise you'd do a macro. (unselect your cells and select all): You don't have to unselect to select all, I put both commands in. Format-Column-Unhide: present
By the way, did you mean: perform all the actions above, and bind that to a toolbar button? Because you can do that, too.
Anything I'm missing? Just trying to understand what's possible and not in the latest MS Office vs. OpenOffice.
What happened to the idea that Freedesktop will come up with the standards, Gnome and KDE will implement that, and app developers will code to a single standard (and library)?
As it is, I'm guessing that if you have a KDE program running on stock Ubuntu, it's not going to show notifications in the Ubuntu way (upper left corner)?
For me, having a calendar icon is not "skeuomorphic".
Skeuomorphic is if you've got (a representation of) vinyl records on a shelf, and you're supposed to pick them out with a mouse, and place them on an RCA record player, and then pick up and place the needle on the record. Which is basically nuts.
On the other hand, there's no problem at all having old-style icons. I mean, as you so wonderfully parodied, what are they supposed to be? An iPhone?
Forgive me for this, but I think the RDF plays a role here, too.
Up until Apple "invented" skeuomorphism, it was viewed as hokey and stupid. Witness the reactions to MS Clippy and MS Bob.
If Apple makes hokey real-world analogues in their UI, it's called skeuomorphic. If anybody else does it, it's called skew-o-morphic. When M$ did it, the reaction was: "Do they think we're stupid?" When Apple does it, it's "Oh, isn't it great, they really care about us as human beings and not just lusers."
This is basically because the press eats up anything that Apple dishes out.
Mark my words: Apple will "invent" (and patent) MS Bob, and be lauded for its genius for doing so.
When Ubuntu copies Mac with a global menu (great on laptops, stupid on huge monitors), everybody's always talking about Fitt's so-called "Law".
But where all that blathering about targets go when talking about the scroll bars? In Precise (Ubuntu 12.04), you're supposed to hover in a narrow area on the right, wait for the scrollbar handle to appear, and then grab and drag that with your mouse.
OK, I just fired up LO Writer, and am trying to figure out what you're talking about.
You get a blank document, and basically you just start typing.
And then you've got New Document, Open, Save, Email, PDF, Print, Paste and other buttons. You also have style, font, font size, and bold/italic/underline, and justify buttons. They're basically in the same place as in pre-Ribbon versions of Office.
So, I'd like to ask, where are you coming from? Did you used to use WordPerfect back in the day, transitioned to Word for WIndows, used that interface for years, and now in 2012 find OpenOffice (same interface) hard to use for some reason? That's strange.
Yeah, second that. In fact, even better would be to have a $5 or even $1 subscription to Ubuntu. The main point would just be an excuse to allow people who like Ubuntu to send some money their way. They could maybe given them access to faster update servers, or something, in return. Call it a "Basic Subscription"
Wait, what am I missing? OpenOffice and old versions of MS Office already had a toolbar with "Bold, Center, Left, Font, Size, Cut Copy Paste, Print Preview, Save-As, and Print all in a neat little row."
Is this a case of Stockholm syndrome? First they take away your toolbar, and then you're grateful when you give you the ability to recreate it by customizing the ribbon?
BTW, you always also had the ability to customize toolbars in both OO and MS Office. MS took it pretty far in Office 95 and 2K to where you there was all sorts of cool things you could do with custom buttons and menus.
That's the big problem right there. For anybody getting paid to work on OpenOffice, please fix these two things:
1) Make macros easier with Intellisense (code completion). I mean, if Gambas can do it without any backing, what's holding you back? The legacy StarBasic is just awful. Even developers do *not* feel like learning and memorizing a whole object hierarchy, complete with function parameters, just to be able to automate a few documents. FYI, the reason OpenOffice is not able to offer code completion on objects is that every thing is (inconveniently) dynamic.
2) In almost every other program, when you have a file open, and then you open a new blank document, and then go to save it, it shows you the directory of the document you previously had open. The reason is that if you're working in a directory, you are likely to... be working in that directory. But OpenOffice shows you "My Documents" or "Documents" so you have to drill down to./business/invoices/2012/09 all over again, every single time. This should be a quick fix, just save "current directory" someplace.
I have to say that requiring students to buy a specific company's products in order to perform their studies goes against the ideals of the university. Would you require students to buy a particular company's paper or folders?
I'll freely admit that this is indeed an example of sour grapes.
Yet, at the same time, the poster really was right about "Having animations, color changing, custom fonts, interactive features, and other things will make your presentation unusable."
If he had said, "You don't really need styles in Writer", that would be an actual feature that a word processor should have (and Writer does have).
But all that stuff in a presentation really is superfluous. Also, what's to say it doesn't support animations and such in its own format? Normally, when you're making a presentation, you make the presentation, you don't send PPTs to your audience.
I'm talking about the ones where the cow gets up and walks by herself to the (robotic) milking machine. The machine throws water on the udder to clean it, and then positions the suckling cups on the teats.
The cow can (and does) go for milking as many times per day as she wants, as opposed to the normal 2 times per day, every 12 hours.
Anyway, what's the cost of these things? Cost of maintenance per year? Do they have ongoing problems?
Also, any different between the major makers? Delaval, Lely, GEA?
OK, so what are we talking about: 1) running the already-installed (but not certified) Win7, or 2) installing XP, which won't even run. At least with #1 you've got an OS that is able to exercise the functions of the laptop.
Anyway, the only ones who do imaging is huge corporations. But most people in the US (and world) work for small businesses, who are much more adhoc in their IT, basically using what's already installed and never upgrading.
It's OK for Google to come up with "not Java", but it's not OK for Alibaba to come up with "not Android"?
Also, your first sentence is quite ironic. Let me fix it:
They are not experimenting, they are taking Java, making it not compatible with Java apps, and then advertising it as a form of Java. That is extremely harmful to the product and system image Sun has spent so long developing, and is basically stealing Sun's work to compete with Sun.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Poetic justice for Google destroying Sun.
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No problem.
Just check out View : Toolbars : Customize.
You get this customization dialog:
http://imgur.com/ZFCNT
You can choose to keep the customization only in the current document (custom toolbar loads when you open the document), or you can set it to be available for all spreadsheets.
While we're on the subject, let me mention that OO is much better than MSOfc in regards to formatting (both have character and paragraph styles, but only OO has page styles). On the other hand, OO has atrocious macro writing system.
It's OK for recording and replaying a macro, but with Excel, if you record a macro, you can figure out most of the resulting VB code. The resulting OO code is totally undecipherable. Please fix this, OO devs (if you can run VB code from Excel, just use that as the default language).
Yeah, this. I mean, if you can't stand ads, run an adblocker. But what's the point of DNT?
I see ads for Dell servers, iWeb web hosting, and some other stuff I've viewed recently. That makes sense because I'm in the market for that stuff.
What's the point of seeing ads for The Clapper and pet rocks when I'm not interested in that?
Consider: tracked ads mean that you can go to a website with a highly esoteric subject matter, and still get an ad that you're interested in. Otherwise, it's hard to see what kind of ad you could see for a site on medieval history. You wouldn't have such a site even existing.
I don't think it's about coding. It's more about your doctor knowing the basics of IT so he can ask intelligent questions, like "Will this doctor's office DB be able to send HTML emails?"
Sort of like you not knowing surgery, but at least knowing what a red blood cell, cholesterol, and blood pressure are.
Yeah, I agree about the production thing.
Some people aren't understanding this. The point (I think) is to allow support personnel to understand the main business of the company. So, for example, in a law firm, the IT crew might take a shot at writing a legal argument.
But, and this is the crucial point, you wouldn't use that brief in "production" (i.e., give it to a judge). Similarly, putting code written by accountants into production is putting too much pressure on them.
Did IBM pay them salary during this 2 year training?
If so, did they make an undertaking that they would work for IBM after the training? (If they did, how would IBM enforce it if somebody said Goodbye and went to a different company?)
I've already acknowledged that MS Office has/used to have nice customization for the toolbar, so this isn't necessarily about M$O vs OO.
Secondly, strictly in the spirit of going to the heart of the matter, I've spent some time digging into your test scenario, and here's what I have:
Screenshot
Basically, a blank toolbar with most of what you referenced. In turn:
Format-Column-Hide: present
Select-Visable-Only: might have to install this OO extension
Format-Cells-Accounting: Don't quite know what accounting format is. I used Currency format.
Record Macro: I added this to the toolbar, but it's not showing for some reason. Didn't dig further at this time.
Stop Macro: present
Run Macro: I forgot to add this to the screenshot, but you can add it.
(then the old ones): what does this mean?
font size: present
underline: present
fill background blue: the background color selector remembers your previous color, in this case blue. Otherwise you'd do a macro.
(unselect your cells and select all): You don't have to unselect to select all, I put both commands in.
Format-Column-Unhide: present
By the way, did you mean: perform all the actions above, and bind that to a toolbar button? Because you can do that, too.
Anything I'm missing? Just trying to understand what's possible and not in the latest MS Office vs. OpenOffice.
What happened to the idea that Freedesktop will come up with the standards, Gnome and KDE will implement that, and app developers will code to a single standard (and library)?
As it is, I'm guessing that if you have a KDE program running on stock Ubuntu, it's not going to show notifications in the Ubuntu way (upper left corner)?
For me, having a calendar icon is not "skeuomorphic".
Skeuomorphic is if you've got (a representation of) vinyl records on a shelf, and you're supposed to pick them out with a mouse, and place them on an RCA record player, and then pick up and place the needle on the record. Which is basically nuts.
On the other hand, there's no problem at all having old-style icons. I mean, as you so wonderfully parodied, what are they supposed to be? An iPhone?
Forgive me for this, but I think the RDF plays a role here, too.
Up until Apple "invented" skeuomorphism, it was viewed as hokey and stupid. Witness the reactions to MS Clippy and MS Bob.
If Apple makes hokey real-world analogues in their UI, it's called skeuomorphic. If anybody else does it, it's called skew-o-morphic. When M$ did it, the reaction was: "Do they think we're stupid?" When Apple does it, it's "Oh, isn't it great, they really care about us as human beings and not just lusers."
This is basically because the press eats up anything that Apple dishes out.
Mark my words: Apple will "invent" (and patent) MS Bob, and be lauded for its genius for doing so.
Yeah, this.
When Ubuntu copies Mac with a global menu (great on laptops, stupid on huge monitors), everybody's always talking about Fitt's so-called "Law".
But where all that blathering about targets go when talking about the scroll bars? In Precise (Ubuntu 12.04), you're supposed to hover in a narrow area on the right, wait for the scrollbar handle to appear, and then grab and drag that with your mouse.
Oh, OSX has skinny scrollbars? I guess that's the reason the Mac wannabe designers of the latest Ubuntu made the scrollbar one px thick.
OK, I just fired up LO Writer, and am trying to figure out what you're talking about.
You get a blank document, and basically you just start typing.
And then you've got New Document, Open, Save, Email, PDF, Print, Paste and other buttons. You also have style, font, font size, and bold/italic/underline, and justify buttons. They're basically in the same place as in pre-Ribbon versions of Office.
So, I'd like to ask, where are you coming from? Did you used to use WordPerfect back in the day, transitioned to Word for WIndows, used that interface for years, and now in 2012 find OpenOffice (same interface) hard to use for some reason? That's strange.
Yeah, second that. In fact, even better would be to have a $5 or even $1 subscription to Ubuntu. The main point would just be an excuse to allow people who like Ubuntu to send some money their way. They could maybe given them access to faster update servers, or something, in return. Call it a "Basic Subscription"
Wait, what am I missing? OpenOffice and old versions of MS Office already had a toolbar with "Bold, Center, Left, Font, Size, Cut Copy Paste, Print Preview, Save-As, and Print all in a neat little row."
Is this a case of Stockholm syndrome? First they take away your toolbar, and then you're grateful when you give you the ability to recreate it by customizing the ribbon?
BTW, you always also had the ability to customize toolbars in both OO and MS Office. MS took it pretty far in Office 95 and 2K to where you there was all sorts of cool things you could do with custom buttons and menus.
I see your Word 2000, and raise you an Office '95 works just fine, thank you. Excel 95 even has an embedded FPS-style game as an Easter egg.
That's the big problem right there. For anybody getting paid to work on OpenOffice, please fix these two things:
1) Make macros easier with Intellisense (code completion). I mean, if Gambas can do it without any backing, what's holding you back? The legacy StarBasic is just awful. Even developers do *not* feel like learning and memorizing a whole object hierarchy, complete with function parameters, just to be able to automate a few documents. FYI, the reason OpenOffice is not able to offer code completion on objects is that every thing is (inconveniently) dynamic.
2) In almost every other program, when you have a file open, and then you open a new blank document, and then go to save it, it shows you the directory of the document you previously had open. The reason is that if you're working in a directory, you are likely to ... be working in that directory. But OpenOffice shows you "My Documents" or "Documents" so you have to drill down to ./business/invoices/2012/09 all over again, every single time. This should be a quick fix, just save "current directory" someplace.
I have to say that requiring students to buy a specific company's products in order to perform their studies goes against the ideals of the university. Would you require students to buy a particular company's paper or folders?
I'll freely admit that this is indeed an example of sour grapes.
Yet, at the same time, the poster really was right about "Having animations, color changing, custom fonts, interactive features, and other things will make your presentation unusable."
If he had said, "You don't really need styles in Writer", that would be an actual feature that a word processor should have (and Writer does have).
But all that stuff in a presentation really is superfluous. Also, what's to say it doesn't support animations and such in its own format? Normally, when you're making a presentation, you make the presentation, you don't send PPTs to your audience.
Anybody have any experience with those?
I'm talking about the ones where the cow gets up and walks by herself to the (robotic) milking machine. The machine throws water on the udder to clean it, and then positions the suckling cups on the teats.
The cow can (and does) go for milking as many times per day as she wants, as opposed to the normal 2 times per day, every 12 hours.
Anyway, what's the cost of these things? Cost of maintenance per year? Do they have ongoing problems?
Also, any different between the major makers? Delaval, Lely, GEA?
Oh, ARM is 32-bit? That's interesting.
We've been moving pretty fast to 1GB memory, and I'm sure the pace is only going to increase. We'll be at 2, and then 4GB in no time.
Which would bring up possible need for a 64-bit mobile chip.
OK, so what are we talking about: 1) running the already-installed (but not certified) Win7, or 2) installing XP, which won't even run. At least with #1 you've got an OS that is able to exercise the functions of the laptop.
Anyway, the only ones who do imaging is huge corporations. But most people in the US (and world) work for small businesses, who are much more adhoc in their IT, basically using what's already installed and never upgrading.
I tell you what: Let's let Aliyun use the word "Android" as much as Google uses "Java" in the Android docs. Fair, right?
Um, more like blue shirts, no?
The idea of a "mandatory" update is scary.
In this respect, dumbphones are smarter than so-called "smart" phones.
I don't see "Android" at http://apps.aliyun.com/index.htm, just APK, which can be considered generic.
It's OK for Google to come up with "not Java", but it's not OK for Alibaba to come up with "not Android"?
Also, your first sentence is quite ironic. Let me fix it:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Poetic justice for Google destroying Sun.