It's not just because they read something in a magazine. It's a matter of security in depth, i.e., if someone is able to penetrate one application that shouldn't mean they get access to the entire machine.
It would have been nice if they could have actually regulated them before hitting them with a $3.7 billion fine for putting an ad for their products on the side of their delivery trucks.
I.e., tell them they could be liable, and could you please stop that? Instead of the very first move being to make a massive hit on a foreign company (as also seen in the anti-Samsung verdicts in the US and Europe).
Regarding your point about FF reloading tabs every time you minimize it and then click the icon: I will simply accept that that's how it works on your system, and no wonder you hate Unity because that's simply nutty and unacceptable.
On the other hand, that's not how it has worked on any system I have installed it on, nor on other people's (including on this thread). Clicking the icon brings the program back up. If you have multiple windows of a program running, you get the most recently used instance, which is what you want 90% of the time. Click again to get a selector for the other 10%.
Regarding the second point: how about we say it's not a noob searching for SSH (which is doubtful), but rather a movie player or something. Your point still stands: How are you supposed to know the name of the app before you search for it? On the other hand, if I search for "movie" I get the Totem Movie Player.
Still, hierarchical menus aid discoverability. It would be nice if Ubuntu could integrate Cardapio for noobs.
Third point: Yeah, that attitude really turned me off, too. Luckily for Ubuntu, they managed to get their act together with some sorely needed improvements to Unity in the 12.04 release.
I agree that multitasking is better than ever, but I haven't been able to find rollup. How do you do that? When I doubleclick a titlebar it maximizes the window.
Yeah, I was one of those people. If you take away an existing workflow without allowing people to recreate it in the new system, people are going to be upset.
The initial versions of Unity were horrible, and seemingly confused as to who they were trying to target.
As for ditching Gnome, it's the Gnome "team" that's responsible for that, dropping what wasn't broken. Anyway, since Gnome was moving to Gnome3 Ubuntu came out with Unity.
The reason I'm using Ubuntu is because I (and most startups) believe it to be a better server than RHell. RHell usually has really old versions, and very little packages compared to Ubuntu. And if you're using it on the server, it's easier to use it on the desktop as well. That, too, in stock form when it's not just yourself in the office.
As for why you might want to try Unity: Better workflow (but you won't know unless you've tried it). As a developer I'm juggling all sorts of windows, often tens of browser windows depending on what I'm researching. Anyway, a common scenario is switching between a Chrome window and a text editor/vim/whatever. OK, now I want to switch back to that Chrome window. Good luck finding it in the grouped task list in the Gnome2 bottom panel. It sorts them alphabetically, which means you're guessing where your MRU (most recently used) item is on the sort. It's not easy and fast. It's click on the list and start reading to find your window.
And the Alt+Tab is not inflexible like Gnome3 seemed to be. You can walk the applications list, and then change modes to walk the windows list of a given application, and change back. It also changes modes automatically if you stay on a given app with multiple windows. Definitely try it, I think you'll like it. And it doesn't baby you like Gnome3 (with no minimize, only one app at a time).
Finally, there's a myth (probably encouraged by Ubuntu) that Unity is great for noobs. I disagree. Noobs might actually find some parts good, some hard. It's a great desktop for power users and developers, though. You just have to learn it.
For example, there was a time when it was thought you could only have one window of a program open at a time. However, in the latest version, you just middle-click (a la Firefox) to open a new window of, say, the file manager. Nice, cool, and not something you could do with the bottom panel in Gnome2. Again, you can have multiple windows of an app open, unlike early impressions of what Unity was going to be like.
That's not to say everything's great. I think the skinny scrollbars may be hard for noobs to figure out, though you can turn those off if you want.
But, in the time that I installed Cardapio after 12.04 came out, I used it a couple of times, and not once in the past few months.
That's because the apps I use are already pinned (Chromium, Firefox, file manager, LibreOffice, terminal, gedit, screenshot, and CherryTree note-taking app). I sometimes use Netbeans, but that installs its own icon to the desktop. The handful of other apps are in the MRU list in the Ubuntu menu.
OK, that's possible. I had heard that you might only be able to run Unity2D depending on your setup, which means that some of the nice Alt+Tab functionality is missing.
Wait, I don't know why the guy you responded to said you can only have one window visible at a time in Unity. Who claims that?
That's what I've been hearing about Gnome3, but certainly not Unity (if you've used it).
Unity does not force you to have only one window open in any way whatsoever. Window management is basically just like Ubuntu 10.04, except that when you minimize, it goes to the left bar instead of the bottom bar.
You can have whatever number of windows you want on the screen in whatever configuration: maximized, unmaximized, etc. Only one monitor or multiple. Monitors cloned or one big workspace. And multiple virtual desktops.
IMHO, the best thing about this is you get a nice OS without the Google or Apple lock-in (how stupid is it that you have to create an account in order to use your phone?).
That, and you don't have to be logged in all the time. It's the same as your desktop: you choose the level of privacy you want.
Well, on the one hand, you've got a company giving away software for free. Ads are undesired, but perhaps there's no other way.
On the other hand, you've got a got a company that has a tenth of a trillion dollars in the bank. Putting ads on top of that is just unseemly and greedy.
Well, one of the problems, I think is they have 500 employees. It seems like half of them are working on the "user experience" team. If they could maybe run a leaner operation, it might be easier not to be in the red.
Also, instead of having huge support contracts, how about basic-level subscriptions (like $5/mo or $30/year). That would give people the opportunity to pitch in without paying for a business support contract.
I thought that all features (which use compositing) weren't enabled when you used a VM. Maybe it would have been different if you tried it on a separate partition on the bare metal.
Anyway, as a non-noob user (developer) I'm here to say that Unity as of 12.04 is pretty good for power users and developers.
From my perspective, Unity is pretty good for multitasking workflows. In the earlier versions, Unity was useless for multiple workspaces because you could basically only have one copy of a program usefully running.
In the current version, there are indicators that tell you if one copy of a program is running, or two, or more. And if it's on the current workspace or not.
Although I had thought that I would hate it, it's actually pretty good, because 95% of the time you want to work with the apps, files, and programs you were most recently working with. Also, the Alt+Tab and Alt+` works well. They're basically integrated together so you can move out of one mode to the other (once you're in Alt+Tab or Alt+` mode, try using the arrow keys).
Also, one misapprehension I had about Unity was that youd have a huge number of icons down the left side. But since you only have one icon per program (instead of per window), it's not bad.
Finally, you should install Cardapio. It gives you a hierarchical (organized by category) menu of applications so you don't have to know the name of app before you search for it (a major complaint about Unity).
Simulations will now be prohibited. Video cannot show a proposed product, action, etc. â" only a real product and what it does at the time.
Since Kickstarter won't let you raise funds to create a product, I'm starting kickstarterstarter.com to allow people to crowdfund being able to get onto Kickstarter.
I find it funny that the government thinks that changing the names of agencies actually results in anything better. (INS to ICE, Dept. of Homeland Security, etc.)
Also the fad of calling stuff nuclear instead of atomic.
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If they have a simple on/off switch in System Settings: Privacy, this might be not so bad.
After all, the way you're doing it now is to go to Google and type in "queen marking cage". Why not type it into the Ubuntu search box?
And a simple way to customize your preferred search sites (like you can with Chrome and FF) would also be nice.
It's not just because they read something in a magazine. It's a matter of security in depth, i.e., if someone is able to penetrate one application that shouldn't mean they get access to the entire machine.
He saying you need to write your website in C.
Does that work on a copy-on-write basis?
webhosting in Eichberg?
A $100 billion behemoth throwing its weight around. Anybody who dares to compete is obliterated and banned (see Samsung).
Unlike with M$, throwing money at a business until it succeeds, Apple will succeed.
Walled gardens, "trusted" computing, vetted apps, commissions for Apple, my way or the highway are the future.
It would have been nice if they could have actually regulated them before hitting them with a $3.7 billion fine for putting an ad for their products on the side of their delivery trucks.
I.e., tell them they could be liable, and could you please stop that? Instead of the very first move being to make a massive hit on a foreign company (as also seen in the anti-Samsung verdicts in the US and Europe).
Regarding your point about FF reloading tabs every time you minimize it and then click the icon: I will simply accept that that's how it works on your system, and no wonder you hate Unity because that's simply nutty and unacceptable.
On the other hand, that's not how it has worked on any system I have installed it on, nor on other people's (including on this thread). Clicking the icon brings the program back up. If you have multiple windows of a program running, you get the most recently used instance, which is what you want 90% of the time. Click again to get a selector for the other 10%.
Regarding the second point: how about we say it's not a noob searching for SSH (which is doubtful), but rather a movie player or something. Your point still stands: How are you supposed to know the name of the app before you search for it? On the other hand, if I search for "movie" I get the Totem Movie Player.
Still, hierarchical menus aid discoverability. It would be nice if Ubuntu could integrate Cardapio for noobs.
Third point: Yeah, that attitude really turned me off, too. Luckily for Ubuntu, they managed to get their act together with some sorely needed improvements to Unity in the 12.04 release.
Right, but that's the Gnome Shell interface from Gnome.
That's not how it works in Unity on Ubuntu.
I wonder if the excess servers could be left off, and during rush periods, they could be turned on via IPMI?
I agree that multitasking is better than ever, but I haven't been able to find rollup. How do you do that? When I doubleclick a titlebar it maximizes the window.
Yeah, I was one of those people. If you take away an existing workflow without allowing people to recreate it in the new system, people are going to be upset.
The initial versions of Unity were horrible, and seemingly confused as to who they were trying to target.
As for ditching Gnome, it's the Gnome "team" that's responsible for that, dropping what wasn't broken. Anyway, since Gnome was moving to Gnome3 Ubuntu came out with Unity.
The reason I'm using Ubuntu is because I (and most startups) believe it to be a better server than RHell. RHell usually has really old versions, and very little packages compared to Ubuntu. And if you're using it on the server, it's easier to use it on the desktop as well. That, too, in stock form when it's not just yourself in the office.
As for why you might want to try Unity: Better workflow (but you won't know unless you've tried it). As a developer I'm juggling all sorts of windows, often tens of browser windows depending on what I'm researching. Anyway, a common scenario is switching between a Chrome window and a text editor/vim/whatever. OK, now I want to switch back to that Chrome window. Good luck finding it in the grouped task list in the Gnome2 bottom panel. It sorts them alphabetically, which means you're guessing where your MRU (most recently used) item is on the sort. It's not easy and fast. It's click on the list and start reading to find your window.
And the Alt+Tab is not inflexible like Gnome3 seemed to be. You can walk the applications list, and then change modes to walk the windows list of a given application, and change back. It also changes modes automatically if you stay on a given app with multiple windows. Definitely try it, I think you'll like it. And it doesn't baby you like Gnome3 (with no minimize, only one app at a time).
Finally, there's a myth (probably encouraged by Ubuntu) that Unity is great for noobs. I disagree. Noobs might actually find some parts good, some hard. It's a great desktop for power users and developers, though. You just have to learn it.
For example, there was a time when it was thought you could only have one window of a program open at a time. However, in the latest version, you just middle-click (a la Firefox) to open a new window of, say, the file manager. Nice, cool, and not something you could do with the bottom panel in Gnome2. Again, you can have multiple windows of an app open, unlike early impressions of what Unity was going to be like.
That's not to say everything's great. I think the skinny scrollbars may be hard for noobs to figure out, though you can turn those off if you want.
Yeah, I hear you.
But, in the time that I installed Cardapio after 12.04 came out, I used it a couple of times, and not once in the past few months.
That's because the apps I use are already pinned (Chromium, Firefox, file manager, LibreOffice, terminal, gedit, screenshot, and CherryTree note-taking app). I sometimes use Netbeans, but that installs its own icon to the desktop. The handful of other apps are in the MRU list in the Ubuntu menu.
OK, that's possible. I had heard that you might only be able to run Unity2D depending on your setup, which means that some of the nice Alt+Tab functionality is missing.
Wait, I don't know why the guy you responded to said you can only have one window visible at a time in Unity. Who claims that?
That's what I've been hearing about Gnome3, but certainly not Unity (if you've used it).
Unity does not force you to have only one window open in any way whatsoever. Window management is basically just like Ubuntu 10.04, except that when you minimize, it goes to the left bar instead of the bottom bar.
You can have whatever number of windows you want on the screen in whatever configuration: maximized, unmaximized, etc. Only one monitor or multiple. Monitors cloned or one big workspace. And multiple virtual desktops.
Why bother running apt?
sudo rm -Rf /
None. It's just a way that you can send money to Ubuntu, and probably expense it, at less cost than the $105 support contract.
$30 is small enough that your boss won't even think about it. $105 and he starts thinking.
I know that back in the day people would buy boxed Redhat sets even though they could just download it for free just to support Redhat.
IMHO, the best thing about this is you get a nice OS without the Google or Apple lock-in (how stupid is it that you have to create an account in order to use your phone?).
That, and you don't have to be logged in all the time. It's the same as your desktop: you choose the level of privacy you want.
Well, on the one hand, you've got a company giving away software for free. Ads are undesired, but perhaps there's no other way.
On the other hand, you've got a got a company that has a tenth of a trillion dollars in the bank. Putting ads on top of that is just unseemly and greedy.
Well, one of the problems, I think is they have 500 employees. It seems like half of them are working on the "user experience" team. If they could maybe run a leaner operation, it might be easier not to be in the red.
Also, instead of having huge support contracts, how about basic-level subscriptions (like $5/mo or $30/year). That would give people the opportunity to pitch in without paying for a business support contract.
Have you tried Unity in Precise (12.04)? Or are you commenting off the atrocious previous versions?
I thought that all features (which use compositing) weren't enabled when you used a VM. Maybe it would have been different if you tried it on a separate partition on the bare metal.
Anyway, as a non-noob user (developer) I'm here to say that Unity as of 12.04 is pretty good for power users and developers.
From my perspective, Unity is pretty good for multitasking workflows. In the earlier versions, Unity was useless for multiple workspaces because you could basically only have one copy of a program usefully running.
In the current version, there are indicators that tell you if one copy of a program is running, or two, or more. And if it's on the current workspace or not.
Although I had thought that I would hate it, it's actually pretty good, because 95% of the time you want to work with the apps, files, and programs you were most recently working with. Also, the Alt+Tab and Alt+` works well. They're basically integrated together so you can move out of one mode to the other (once you're in Alt+Tab or Alt+` mode, try using the arrow keys).
Also, one misapprehension I had about Unity was that youd have a huge number of icons down the left side. But since you only have one icon per program (instead of per window), it's not bad.
Finally, you should install Cardapio. It gives you a hierarchical (organized by category) menu of applications so you don't have to know the name of app before you search for it (a major complaint about Unity).
Like how much the sale was for, and how many paying members are there?
Since Kickstarter won't let you raise funds to create a product, I'm starting kickstarterstarter.com to allow people to crowdfund being able to get onto Kickstarter.
I find it funny that the government thinks that changing the names of agencies actually results in anything better. (INS to ICE, Dept. of Homeland Security, etc.)
Also the fad of calling stuff nuclear instead of atomic.