The funny thing is even though Oracle hasn't discontinued squat (in fact they're putting out the OO 3.3 Release Candidate), people think they're discontinuing OO.
The reason is just that Oracle gives off a "Deathstar"/Darth Larry vibe.
Even so, no need to jump to conclusions. BDB is still available as GPL, and so is Inno. Oracle should hire a FOSS liason to bottle-feed press releases to the community, though.
What did Oracle do? Turn off the OpenOffice.org website?
Where have they stated that they're going to discontinue OpenOffice?
That is just a figment of some developers' minds. And so they created LibreOffice because Oracle might discontinue OpenOffice. Even though it hasn't, just like InnoDB and BDB, which they also bought.
If you're writing an app that doesn't fit in the simple CRUD model best for webapps, and you want a large dev base plus a huge amount of pre-written cross-platform libraries, Java is probably your best bet.
Moneydance is a nice cross-platform Java app. Sun blew a huge opportunity to encourage more like that.
They now (after 2 decades) have a Java app store beta for download as opposed to 1) having a web-based app store as well, and 2) just including the app store program in Java Runtime Edition like Apple would have done.
>But may I ask: What does your "corporate-phobia" post have to do with the previous posts?
I have no beef with your post. Nokia is indeed a KDE patron.
I was just using corporate-phobia to describe the feeling that inspires "Qt (Nokia) doesn't care about KDE".
Which, IMHO, is just FOSS community whining that they don't really love us. I mean, do we need corps to rock RMS to sleep, and then we'll be satisfied?
Corporations use opensource for their own advantages, but that doesn't mean we have to constantly fear what they're going to do before they've actually done it (or said they won't):
The more KDE is used, the more Qt apps there are. And the more Qt devs. And Nokia wants Qt devs to create apps to counter iPhone and Android app stores.
The more OpenOffice is used, the less MS can lock down businesses, and the less of a premium it can charge for its cash cow when there's an alternative. Larry E spent $175 million on the Network Computer just to make Microsoft work sweat. And MS fears OpenOffice.
I realize it's offtopic, but I don't know why it's a troll.
I actually like the fact that there's competition in the browser market, and I usually install Midori, Chrome, Chromium, Epiphany, and Lynx, in addition to the default Firefox. Of those, Chrome+Chromium see the most usage, followed by Firefox, then occasionally Lynx.
I just downloaded Opera 10.63, and it's looking better than before. There are some annoyances, but some cool things, too.
That's why English is probably best for the base keywords (and even the comments and variables): -No "weird" characters -Can be expressed in ASCII7 -Flexible grammar
But translating KTurtle to Swahili for general audiences is probably OK (as opposed to serious, advanced classes for programmers).
I agree with dynamic menus being bad (a la Windows XP and Office).
But this isn't that. It's just like the Recent Files in gedit, jedit, OpenOffice, and just about any other application.
The reason this is handy is because, on average, you're very likely to be wanting to manipulate a file you just saved. Example: I save a screenshot (with standard GNOME screenshot save), but I want to crop it. I go to Gimp, and in the Open File Dialog, click on Recently Used in the left hand list box, and it's the first file (I sort by Modify Date). I don't have to go to/home/me/Documents/screenshots/application-screenshots/blah.png.
That usage is covered under the GNOME current. But sometimes you want to do something else related to a file, but not to that file. Say, I wanted to add a few short notes in a text file in gedit regarding a series of screenshots. I'd like to open up gedit, File Open, Recently Used, then click on the folder where I last did stuff. Easy.
Easier than clicking (or typing, even with tab-completion), through to/home/me/Documents/projects/some-customer/blah-project/screenshot-series5/
You're most often concerned with what you just worked on/used. That's the reason every mail client shows you your most recent email first, not sorting hierarchically (maybe by IP address?).
The thing about Opera is it takes too much resources, and it's too slow. You can watch it redo a page, whereas Chrome is instantaneous with Ctrl+Page'ing through pages. That was Opera latest on Karmic.
There's a bug going around the OSS community that causes some to see corporate monsters where there are none.
Not only that, but it also causes them to brainstorm or take pro-active action against corporate sponsors because their Palantirs say they "might" stop support at some unspecified future date. See LibreOffice. Does nothing other than annoy the corporate sponsor, divide the community, and thus possibly bring up that exact scenario in a self-fulfilling geek-martyrdom prophecy.
>For example kio_slaves or gnome's vfs which are great features (for sftp, ftp, etc...)
This.
For those that don't know what he's talking about: Open up Nautilus. Do File: Connect to Server. You get a dialog asking your for your (S)FTP login info. Connect.
Now you can open up remote files in gedit or whatever. Copy/paste/drag, etc.
I don't understand what you're saying./bin on Linux doesn't contain all the user programs (like konqueror, gedit, and so on). Those are at/usr/bin ./usr/local/bin is designated as the receptacle for non-package managed programs (manually compiled). I think that works well because all of them are kept at one place.
And/opt is supposed (also) be a place for software packages. Chrome uses this, and that's good for software that has a lot of stuff in sub-directories.
Instead of a huge change like Gnome Shell, they should (also) be fixing just a few basic usability issues:
-when you select a file in Nautilus and do Ctrl+c or Ctrl+v, they icons should indicated that they've been copied or cut.
-the "Recently Used" in the File Open dialog saves you from a lot of needless folder hopping. But it should also include recently used folders as well (the folder of a file you just saved, plus folders you created recently). "Recently used" should also be present in Nautilus.
-if you choose "single-click" behavior in Nautilus, the File Open dialog should also be single click. OK, so the latter is from GTK-- just add single click to GTK, then have Nautilus set the option for it.
I think it'll be a game of who blinks first. If Google puts WebM as the primary codec on YouTube, many (most?) device manufacturers will feel compelled to support it.
I think it's also possible Google could get its Android partners posse (and maybe Nokia) to also use WebM. With both Nokia and and Samsung/Motorola/HTC/LG/Sony etc., that's the majority of phones out there.
that new Facebook features are written simply by some kind of weird combination of/dev/random and http://www.php.net/manual/en/ with the noise being supplied by a 1000 monkeys?
My feeling is that they (Google) are partially responsible for the decline of Sun.
Here's a picture of Google and Sun sitting on a stage together like friends.
And what does Google do it's "friend"? Stabs it in the back by coming up with a way to avoid pay royalties for mobile Java, which subsidized free desktop Java. That was exactly the time Sun needed the revenue, and Google inspired the whole industry to ditch Sun. Loss of revenue led to being sold.
The funny thing is how Google is portraying itself as the savior of open source. Yet listen to Andy Rubin (Android head) about the GPL:
"The thing that worries me about GPL is this: suppose Samsung wants to build a phone that's different in features and functionality than (one from) LG. If everything on the phone was GPL, any applications or user interface enhancements that Samsung did, they would have to contribute back," said Andy Rubin, Google's Android engineering director, in a 2008 interview. "At the application layer, GPL doesn't work."
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Anybody know if Swype is only for Nokia phones?
>Then transfer the green ideas back to USA and the war itself may not be necessary.
There's a smart idea ... with 0 hope of passage.
The funny thing is even though Oracle hasn't discontinued squat (in fact they're putting out the OO 3.3 Release Candidate), people think they're discontinuing OO.
The reason is just that Oracle gives off a "Deathstar"/Darth Larry vibe.
Even so, no need to jump to conclusions. BDB is still available as GPL, and so is Inno. Oracle should hire a FOSS liason to bottle-feed press releases to the community, though.
Anybody ever find that phrase ironic when applied to the military?
Granted, this isn't directly like some of the more egregious examples. Usually, "saving lives" involves killing more of "them".
What did Oracle do? Turn off the OpenOffice.org website?
Where have they stated that they're going to discontinue OpenOffice?
That is just a figment of some developers' minds. And so they created LibreOffice because Oracle might discontinue OpenOffice. Even though it hasn't, just like InnoDB and BDB, which they also bought.
Oracle press release on OpenOffice
They basically reiterate that they will continue to support it.
If you're writing an app that doesn't fit in the simple CRUD model best for webapps, and you want a large dev base plus a huge amount of pre-written cross-platform libraries, Java is probably your best bet.
http://netbeans.org/features/platform/showcase.html
Moneydance is a nice cross-platform Java app. Sun blew a huge opportunity to encourage more like that.
They now (after 2 decades) have a Java app store beta for download as opposed to 1) having a web-based app store as well, and 2) just including the app store program in Java Runtime Edition like Apple would have done.
>But may I ask: What does your "corporate-phobia" post have to do with the previous posts?
I have no beef with your post. Nokia is indeed a KDE patron.
I was just using corporate-phobia to describe the feeling that inspires "Qt (Nokia) doesn't care about KDE".
Which, IMHO, is just FOSS community whining that they don't really love us. I mean, do we need corps to rock RMS to sleep, and then we'll be satisfied?
Corporations use opensource for their own advantages, but that doesn't mean we have to constantly fear what they're going to do before they've actually done it (or said they won't):
The more KDE is used, the more Qt apps there are. And the more Qt devs. And Nokia wants Qt devs to create apps to counter iPhone and Android app stores.
The more OpenOffice is used, the less MS can lock down businesses, and the less of a premium it can charge for its cash cow when there's an alternative. Larry E spent $175 million on the Network Computer just to make Microsoft work sweat. And MS fears OpenOffice.
So, let's all learned relax a little.
I realize it's offtopic, but I don't know why it's a troll.
I actually like the fact that there's competition in the browser market, and I usually install Midori, Chrome, Chromium, Epiphany, and Lynx, in addition to the default Firefox. Of those, Chrome+Chromium see the most usage, followed by Firefox, then occasionally Lynx.
I just downloaded Opera 10.63, and it's looking better than before. There are some annoyances, but some cool things, too.
That's why English is probably best for the base keywords (and even the comments and variables):
-No "weird" characters
-Can be expressed in ASCII7
-Flexible grammar
But translating KTurtle to Swahili for general audiences is probably OK (as opposed to serious, advanced classes for programmers).
I agree with dynamic menus being bad (a la Windows XP and Office).
But this isn't that. It's just like the Recent Files in gedit, jedit, OpenOffice, and just about any other application.
The reason this is handy is because, on average, you're very likely to be wanting to manipulate a file you just saved. Example: I save a screenshot (with standard GNOME screenshot save), but I want to crop it. I go to Gimp, and in the Open File Dialog, click on Recently Used in the left hand list box, and it's the first file (I sort by Modify Date). I don't have to go to /home/me/Documents/screenshots/application-screenshots/blah.png.
That usage is covered under the GNOME current. But sometimes you want to do something else related to a file, but not to that file. Say, I wanted to add a few short notes in a text file in gedit regarding a series of screenshots. I'd like to open up gedit, File Open, Recently Used, then click on the folder where I last did stuff. Easy.
Easier than clicking (or typing, even with tab-completion), through to /home/me/Documents/projects/some-customer/blah-project/screenshot-series5/
You're most often concerned with what you just worked on/used. That's the reason every mail client shows you your most recent email first, not sorting hierarchically (maybe by IP address?).
Which desktop or programs do you usually use?
poison umbrellas from Russia, 2.0
The thing about Opera is it takes too much resources, and it's too slow. You can watch it redo a page, whereas Chrome is instantaneous with Ctrl+Page'ing through pages. That was Opera latest on Karmic.
There's a bug going around the OSS community that causes some to see corporate monsters where there are none.
Not only that, but it also causes them to brainstorm or take pro-active action against corporate sponsors because their Palantirs say they "might" stop support at some unspecified future date. See LibreOffice. Does nothing other than annoy the corporate sponsor, divide the community, and thus possibly bring up that exact scenario in a self-fulfilling geek-martyrdom prophecy.
>For example kio_slaves or gnome's vfs which are great features (for sftp, ftp, etc...)
This.
For those that don't know what he's talking about: Open up Nautilus. Do File: Connect to Server. You get a dialog asking your for your (S)FTP login info. Connect.
Now you can open up remote files in gedit or whatever. Copy/paste/drag, etc.
Works for WebDAV and Windows shares, too.
I don't understand what you're saying. /bin on Linux doesn't contain all the user programs (like konqueror, gedit, and so on). Those are at /usr/bin . /usr/local/bin is designated as the receptacle for non-package managed programs (manually compiled). I think that works well because all of them are kept at one place.
And /opt is supposed (also) be a place for software packages. Chrome uses this, and that's good for software that has a lot of stuff in sub-directories.
Instead of a huge change like Gnome Shell, they should (also) be fixing just a few basic usability issues:
-when you select a file in Nautilus and do Ctrl+c or Ctrl+v, they icons should indicated that they've been copied or cut.
-the "Recently Used" in the File Open dialog saves you from a lot of needless folder hopping. But it should also include recently used folders as well (the folder of a file you just saved, plus folders you created recently). "Recently used" should also be present in Nautilus.
-if you choose "single-click" behavior in Nautilus, the File Open dialog should also be single click. OK, so the latter is from GTK-- just add single click to GTK, then have Nautilus set the option for it.
I don't think it should be that difficult to translate BASIC, just as a teaching tool for non-English societies.
Say, takes something like http://www.freebasic.net/ , and change the string constants for FOR, WHILE, PRINT, etc. to something in your own language.
MS used to have localized Office Basic.
I think it'll be a game of who blinks first. If Google puts WebM as the primary codec on YouTube, many (most?) device manufacturers will feel compelled to support it.
I think it's also possible Google could get its Android partners posse (and maybe Nokia) to also use WebM. With both Nokia and and Samsung/Motorola/HTC/LG/Sony etc., that's the majority of phones out there.
>In Linux, I need .NET like I need shotgun blast to the face!
Meerkat comes with Dick Cheney?
that new Facebook features are written simply by some kind of weird combination of /dev/random and http://www.php.net/manual/en/ with the noise being supplied by a 1000 monkeys?
Trillions of Beowulf clusters ...
I tell you, Bush Jr. is trampling all over the Constitution. I can't wait for the day he's replaced. ...
Oops.
Reason: GOP gets Chamber of Commerce support, Dems get Hollywood support.
Just as an FYI:
Oracle Objects to SCO's Cure Notice
"Oracle asks the court to deny any forward motion on SCO's request to assume and assign any Oracle executory agreement without Oracle's consent."
My feeling is that they (Google) are partially responsible for the decline of Sun.
Here's a picture of Google and Sun sitting on a stage together like friends.
And what does Google do it's "friend"? Stabs it in the back by coming up with a way to avoid pay royalties for mobile Java, which subsidized free desktop Java. That was exactly the time Sun needed the revenue, and Google inspired the whole industry to ditch Sun. Loss of revenue led to being sold.
The funny thing is how Google is portraying itself as the savior of open source. Yet listen to Andy Rubin (Android head) about the GPL: