A talking point manufactured by the same person who came up with the Al Gore "invented the Internet" smear. He's not against a policy of net neutrality, he thinks legislation is unnecessary, because customers would complain and the Senate would hold hearings. I would prefer to see legislation passed that would nip teleco greed in the bud, but it's disengenious to say Biden is opposed to net neutrality.
With more executive experience than anyone else on *either* ticket
If you think the manager of a local Burger King can suddenly be a top executive at a Fortune 100 company because she has "management experience", sure. This "she has more experience" line is a phenomenally stupid Republican talking point, but then I repeat myself. She was a mayor for a town of 8,000. He was head of the Harvard Law Review before becoming a state senator for the 5th largest state from the nation's 3rd largest city, then won a U.S. Senate seat. You should see a doctor about your broken sense of proportion.
Your points will probably be repeated many times more, but they are easily parried.
Tip: when parrying, you aren't supposed to grab the blade with your hand.
Not really, since Palin probably has better experience credentials than Obama himself.
If you think the manager of a local Burger King can suddenly be a top executive at a Fortune 100 company because she has "management experience", sure. This "she has more experience" line is a phenomenally stupid Republican talking point, but then I repeat myself.
As Digby once said, "conservatives are people who are in good graces with other conservatives, until they're not - then they're liberal." So every time conservatism fails, people proclaim that the conservatives in charge weren't "real" conservatives after all.
And yes, conservatism has completely and utterly failed America. Deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy and slashing social services for the sake of deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy, and slashing social services has been a disaster.
She has more executive experience in her pinky finger then Obama does
So by wingnut logic, someone who's been a manager of a local Burger King for six years is fit to suddenly serve as a top executive at a Fortune 100 company, because she has "executive experience." You're spouting a phenomenally stupid Republican talking point, but then, I repeat myself.
You know the one where he served along with Weather Underground Terrorist William Ayers?
You really want to play the Associations Game? How about we start with Gordon Liddy, who advised people to shoot federal agents in the head because they might wear body armor? Good buddies with McCain. And how about all the Republicans Ayers has worked with, like the governor of South Carolina?
Translation: because Obama didn't pass these bills alone, by himself, they don't count. Nevermind that legislation has to has to receive a majority vote and then be signed by the governor/president, so no politician anywhere meets your standard. I guess our only option is to take an American born citizen, make them a monarch in some other country, and only then elect them president.
Your facts are nothing but hot air.
No, you're just spouting baseless bullshit. I'm surprised you didn't bring up the "he's a Muslim" smear. If you're going to lie through your teeth rhomp, don't hold back.
McCain destroyed the "Obama doesn't have the experience to lead" meme just as much as Obama destroyed the "McCain, more of the Same" meme with Biden's VP choice.
What, did the Creationists upthread slip you a few bucks to put your head up your ass so they'd look reasonable by comparison? Obama is talking about 4 more years of Bush foreign/economic policy, which McCain promises to continue. How is Biden going to continue any of that?
She is the only conservative of the 4.
I hope they paid you well. What token moderate positions McCain held in the past have been thrown to the winds in favor of a hard right agenda.
Sure of that? Because she has 2 years of experience in the Executive branch of a government. Obama and Biden COMBINED have zero.
A phenomenally stupid Republican talking point. But then, I repeat myself.
Saying Sarah Palin has the executive experience to be one step from the presidency is like hiring the manager of a Burger King to be a top executive at Microsoft or IBM.
I addition, Obama's senatorial career was solely taken up by preparation to run for President. Palin has some actual accomplishments on her resume.
You were saying? Obama went to school on scholarships and student loans (which he only recently paid off by the way), became head of the Harvard Law review, served as a state senator in the 5th largest state from the nation's 3rd largest city. Then he ran for an open seat to the U.S. Senate.
But the main reason that experience isn't a risk to the McCain/Palin ticket is that the more "experience" gets talked about, the worse Obama looks, even if it's the Dems doing the talking.
Obama hasn't been talking about experience dumbass, McCain has. Obama has been talking about judgment - the appropriate comparison would be if he picked Bill Krystol as his running mate.
Palin has been a Governor and a Mayor, and is currently the only person with any real leadership experience in the entire presidential race.
No, it's like hiring the manager of your local Burger King to be a top executive at a Fortune 100 company.
While many on Slashdot have contempt for social conservatives this is and area McCain needs to win, and the social conservative vote is far larger than the paranoid geek vote.
And their ship as sailed. They got their gay marriage bans in states across the country, and what a surprise, it hasn't done anything for them.
She was the one who cleaned up the scandal.
Only to start one of her own.
No more than McCain's wife already has.
And you might have a point if Mrs. McCain were as young (and still as attractive) as Palin. She's not.
The bible does not say anything about pork being evil, just to stay away from it.
But it DOES talk of the evils of adultery and usurious rates, but you don't see Republicans proposing Constitutional amendments to ban cheating on your spouse or marching on Countrywide with torches and pitchforks.
As a Republican I was really surprised when I saw the news. I asked myself, "Palin? Who the hell is that."
As did other Republicans when asked for their reaction, like Kailey Bay Hutchinson. McCain's secrecy meant his pick was indeed a surprise, but it also meant he didn't have any surrogates ready to talk up Palin.
I think this is a perfectly calculated and awesomely executed political strategy.
Way to try and make chicken salad out of chicken shit. But like a turd sandwich, you can try and dress it up, but it's still a turd sandwich.
So does this mean the GOP isn't going to attack Biden on anything because he's not at the top of the ticket? And let's get real here, a VP has only two jobs: break ties in the Senate, and be ready to become president if the President dies or otherwise leaves office. McCain is 72 and has four bouts with cancer.
Republicans are currently trying to bait this issue (judging from listening to a couple of their radio mouthpieces this morning) knowing that people care about the top of the ticket, not the VPs.
Good luck with that. The equivalent would be if Obama spent months trashing McCain's judgment on the Iraq war, only to pick Joe Lieberman to be his running mate, the biggest non-Republican neocon around.
if McCain dies she is just as qualified as Obama
No, she's not. Before taking national office, Obama served as a state senator for the 5th largest state in the country, from the 3rd largest city in the country. Compared to being a mayor of a town of 8,000 people.
And this is why the republicans are begging the dems to go after this point,
All the Dems have to do is cut a campaign commercial featuring Rove trashing potential Obama running mate Tim Kaine. Rove complained that Kaine, who had been governor 3 years to Palin's 2, was "only" the mayor of America's 105th largest city, while Palin was mayor for a town of 8,000. Whoopsie doopsie.
And of that 11 years just what has Obama accomplished.
Lots. He helped pass the largest tax cut in Illinois state history, has worked with Dick Lugar on securing loose nukes in the former U.S.S.R., and pushed legislation that put the federal budget online, so you can see where your tax dollars go, to name a few.
But don't let those annoying facts keep you from speaking out of your ass. It's a free country.
Beyond that, she has executive experiance, which both Obama and Biden lack.
So if Steve Jobs suddenly dies from cancer, Apple could replace him with a manager of a Burger King, since the latter has managed a business and Apple would be just fine. Because the latter has management experience.
You should see a doctor about your broken sense of proportion, stat.
McCain seems to be just setting himself up to be labeled a "flip-flopper" on "experience".
Why not, he's flip-flopped on everything else. Taxes, his own immigration and campaign finance laws, abortion, homosexuality, Iraq, sucking up to right wing evangelicals, etc.
Remember John "Voted for it before I voted against it" Kerry?
To which Kerry's response should have been, "and why do I have to take this from someone who took credit for a patients bill of rights when you vetoed that bill as governor of Texas?" Proof of why all Dem candidates need to hire those who lost (Dukakis, Gore, and now Kerry himself) to run their campaigns so they don't listen to hack consultants and act like pussies.
To me and anyone else who understands the demands of a military O-6, that is executive experience.
Naturally. And it counts, since this time the Democrat hasn't served in the military while the Republican has, so once again military service is important, just like in 1992. When the situations are reversed, military service will be irrelevant, just as it was in 2000 and 2004.
Ask an Obama supporter what he has actually accomplished in office, and the best reply I've heard is that he got elected to the U.S. Senate.
You're sounding quite Concerned, kb. Too lazy to use the Google, eh? Two of the more noteworthy things he's done is work with Dick Lugar on securing loose nukes in the former U.S.S.R., and sponsored the The Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006, which put the federal budget online. Now you can look for yourself and see exactly where you tax dollars are going.
Conversely, Governor Palin has walked the walk instead of just talking the talk, rooting out corruption and wasteful government spending, even in her own party.
But of course, as a Republican, she had to get on the action with a scandal of her own: trying to fire a state trooper who just happened to be fighting a custody battle with Sarah Palin's sister.
She has an 80-90% approval rating in her state, and could have easily gotten elected as one of Alaska's senators if that was what she set out to do.
Not hard to do when you are a descent (to start with anyway) politician while the rest of your party is getting indicted.
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Biden is supposedly anti-net-neutrality?
A talking point manufactured by the same person who came up with the Al Gore "invented the Internet" smear. He's not against a policy of net neutrality, he thinks legislation is unnecessary, because customers would complain and the Senate would hold hearings. I would prefer to see legislation passed that would nip teleco greed in the bud, but it's disengenious to say Biden is opposed to net neutrality.
With more executive experience than anyone else on *either* ticket
If you think the manager of a local Burger King can suddenly be a top executive at a Fortune 100 company because she has "management experience", sure. This "she has more experience" line is a phenomenally stupid Republican talking point, but then I repeat myself. She was a mayor for a town of 8,000. He was head of the Harvard Law Review before becoming a state senator for the 5th largest state from the nation's 3rd largest city, then won a U.S. Senate seat. You should see a doctor about your broken sense of proportion.
Your points will probably be repeated many times more, but they are easily parried.
Tip: when parrying, you aren't supposed to grab the blade with your hand.
Not really, since Palin probably has better experience credentials than Obama himself.
If you think the manager of a local Burger King can suddenly be a top executive at a Fortune 100 company because she has "management experience", sure. This "she has more experience" line is a phenomenally stupid Republican talking point, but then I repeat myself.
As Digby once said, "conservatives are people who are in good graces with other conservatives, until they're not - then they're liberal." So every time conservatism fails, people proclaim that the conservatives in charge weren't "real" conservatives after all.
And yes, conservatism has completely and utterly failed America. Deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy and slashing social services for the sake of deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy, and slashing social services has been a disaster.
Which explains why blacks voted in lockstep for Alan Keyes. Not.
She has more executive experience in her pinky finger then Obama does
So by wingnut logic, someone who's been a manager of a local Burger King for six years is fit to suddenly serve as a top executive at a Fortune 100 company, because she has "executive experience." You're spouting a phenomenally stupid Republican talking point, but then, I repeat myself.
You know the one where he served along with Weather Underground Terrorist William Ayers?
You really want to play the Associations Game? How about we start with Gordon Liddy, who advised people to shoot federal agents in the head because they might wear body armor? Good buddies with McCain. And how about all the Republicans Ayers has worked with, like the governor of South Carolina?
Translation: because Obama didn't pass these bills alone, by himself, they don't count. Nevermind that legislation has to has to receive a majority vote and then be signed by the governor/president, so no politician anywhere meets your standard. I guess our only option is to take an American born citizen, make them a monarch in some other country, and only then elect them president.
Your facts are nothing but hot air.
No, you're just spouting baseless bullshit. I'm surprised you didn't bring up the "he's a Muslim" smear. If you're going to lie through your teeth rhomp, don't hold back.
McCain destroyed the "Obama doesn't have the experience to lead" meme just as much as Obama destroyed the "McCain, more of the Same" meme with Biden's VP choice.
What, did the Creationists upthread slip you a few bucks to put your head up your ass so they'd look reasonable by comparison? Obama is talking about 4 more years of Bush foreign/economic policy, which McCain promises to continue. How is Biden going to continue any of that?
She is the only conservative of the 4.
I hope they paid you well. What token moderate positions McCain held in the past have been thrown to the winds in favor of a hard right agenda.
Obama doesn't believe in the 4th ammendment.
And McCain does? How's the weather up in there?
Sure of that? Because she has 2 years of experience in the Executive branch of a government. Obama and Biden COMBINED have zero.
A phenomenally stupid Republican talking point. But then, I repeat myself.
Saying Sarah Palin has the executive experience to be one step from the presidency is like hiring the manager of a Burger King to be a top executive at Microsoft or IBM.
I addition, Obama's senatorial career was solely taken up by preparation to run for President. Palin has some actual accomplishments on her resume.
You were saying? Obama went to school on scholarships and student loans (which he only recently paid off by the way), became head of the Harvard Law review, served as a state senator in the 5th largest state from the nation's 3rd largest city. Then he ran for an open seat to the U.S. Senate.
But the main reason that experience isn't a risk to the McCain/Palin ticket is that the more "experience" gets talked about, the worse Obama looks, even if it's the Dems doing the talking.
Obama hasn't been talking about experience dumbass, McCain has. Obama has been talking about judgment - the appropriate comparison would be if he picked Bill Krystol as his running mate.
Palin has been a Governor and a Mayor, and is currently the only person with any real leadership experience in the entire presidential race.
No, it's like hiring the manager of your local Burger King to be a top executive at a Fortune 100 company.
While many on Slashdot have contempt for social conservatives this is and area McCain needs to win, and the social conservative vote is far larger than the paranoid geek vote.
And their ship as sailed. They got their gay marriage bans in states across the country, and what a surprise, it hasn't done anything for them.
She was the one who cleaned up the scandal.
Only to start one of her own.
No more than McCain's wife already has.
And you might have a point if Mrs. McCain were as young (and still as attractive) as Palin. She's not.
I got the sarcasm, but do you really check other peoples posts before making a reply, every time?
Evolution is every bit as faith-based as creationism.
Liar.
It is just as scientifically impossible to observe that life formed out of goo or some other random chemical reaction
Which is why it's the theory of evolution and not the theory of origination. Evolution has nothing to say about how life first formed.
If students want to argue ID vs Evo, let them.
Uh huh. And should we argue Russian grammar in English class? How about sitting down in gym class and discussing Shakespeare?
ID is not science, and has no place in science class. Repeat as necessary until it sinks in.
The bible does not say anything about pork being evil, just to stay away from it.
But it DOES talk of the evils of adultery and usurious rates, but you don't see Republicans proposing Constitutional amendments to ban cheating on your spouse or marching on Countrywide with torches and pitchforks.
As a Republican I was really surprised when I saw the news. I asked myself, "Palin? Who the hell is that."
As did other Republicans when asked for their reaction, like Kailey Bay Hutchinson. McCain's secrecy meant his pick was indeed a surprise, but it also meant he didn't have any surrogates ready to talk up Palin.
I think this is a perfectly calculated and awesomely executed political strategy.
Way to try and make chicken salad out of chicken shit. But like a turd sandwich, you can try and dress it up, but it's still a turd sandwich.
Except that Palin isn't on the top of the ticket.
So does this mean the GOP isn't going to attack Biden on anything because he's not at the top of the ticket? And let's get real here, a VP has only two jobs: break ties in the Senate, and be ready to become president if the President dies or otherwise leaves office. McCain is 72 and has four bouts with cancer.
Republicans are currently trying to bait this issue (judging from listening to a couple of their radio mouthpieces this morning) knowing that people care about the top of the ticket, not the VPs.
Good luck with that. The equivalent would be if Obama spent months trashing McCain's judgment on the Iraq war, only to pick Joe Lieberman to be his running mate, the biggest non-Republican neocon around.
if McCain dies she is just as qualified as Obama
No, she's not. Before taking national office, Obama served as a state senator for the 5th largest state in the country, from the 3rd largest city in the country. Compared to being a mayor of a town of 8,000 people.
And this is why the republicans are begging the dems to go after this point,
All the Dems have to do is cut a campaign commercial featuring Rove trashing potential Obama running mate Tim Kaine. Rove complained that Kaine, who had been governor 3 years to Palin's 2, was "only" the mayor of America's 105th largest city, while Palin was mayor for a town of 8,000. Whoopsie doopsie.
Another way to look at it
You have unlimited ways to look at it as long as you speak out of your ass.
And of that 11 years just what has Obama accomplished.
Lots. He helped pass the largest tax cut in Illinois state history, has worked with Dick Lugar on securing loose nukes in the former U.S.S.R., and pushed legislation that put the federal budget online, so you can see where your tax dollars go, to name a few.
But don't let those annoying facts keep you from speaking out of your ass. It's a free country.
Beyond that, she has executive experiance, which both Obama and Biden lack.
So if Steve Jobs suddenly dies from cancer, Apple could replace him with a manager of a Burger King, since the latter has managed a business and Apple would be just fine. Because the latter has management experience.
You should see a doctor about your broken sense of proportion, stat.
McCain seems to be just setting himself up to be labeled a "flip-flopper" on "experience".
Why not, he's flip-flopped on everything else. Taxes, his own immigration and campaign finance laws, abortion, homosexuality, Iraq, sucking up to right wing evangelicals, etc.
Remember John "Voted for it before I voted against it" Kerry?
To which Kerry's response should have been, "and why do I have to take this from someone who took credit for a patients bill of rights when you vetoed that bill as governor of Texas?" Proof of why all Dem candidates need to hire those who lost (Dukakis, Gore, and now Kerry himself) to run their campaigns so they don't listen to hack consultants and act like pussies.
He was a Captain in the Navy.
His command didn't see combat.
To me and anyone else who understands the demands of a military O-6, that is executive experience.
Naturally. And it counts, since this time the Democrat hasn't served in the military while the Republican has, so once again military service is important, just like in 1992. When the situations are reversed, military service will be irrelevant, just as it was in 2000 and 2004.
Ask an Obama supporter what he has actually accomplished in office, and the best reply I've heard is that he got elected to the U.S. Senate.
You're sounding quite Concerned, kb. Too lazy to use the Google, eh? Two of the more noteworthy things he's done is work with Dick Lugar on securing loose nukes in the former U.S.S.R., and sponsored the The Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act of 2006, which put the federal budget online. Now you can look for yourself and see exactly where you tax dollars are going.
Conversely, Governor Palin has walked the walk instead of just talking the talk, rooting out corruption and wasteful government spending, even in her own party.
But of course, as a Republican, she had to get on the action with a scandal of her own: trying to fire a state trooper who just happened to be fighting a custody battle with Sarah Palin's sister.
She has an 80-90% approval rating in her state, and could have easily gotten elected as one of Alaska's senators if that was what she set out to do.
Not hard to do when you are a descent (to start with anyway) politician while the rest of your party is getting indicted.
Of course, the funny thing is that she has more experience with running a government than McCain, Obama, Biden, and Bob Barr combined.
No, she doesn't. Co-equal branches, and all that. Feel free to enroll in 2nd grade civics class if you need to brush up.
You're very easily amused.
then picks Palin as his running mate, who is inexperienced, but young and female to atract some of Hillary's crew.
Good luck with that, as Palin is the opposite of pretty much everything Hillary campaigned for.
Obama attack McCain about being too "Old Washington"
He's never attacked McCain's age.
with no relation to actual folks, then picks Biden who has been around longer than McCain
Yes, Biden, who despite being in Washington for decades is near the bottom of Senatorial incomes. Biden, who takes a train to work each day.
and is one of the biggest partisan 'attack-dogs' in the democratic party
That's usually what VP's are picked for.