I think McCain has the more rational approach to Iraq
Which position? The one he had at the beginning where he said it would be a cakewalk? Or when he joined Bush in declaring Mission Accomplished? Or when he said we could stay in Iraq 100 years, 10,000 years, a million years?
No more so than selecting Obama as presidential candidate when he has no more--and arguably less--experience than Palin.
He's held elected office longer than she has, and not all elected offices are created equal. He was a state senator in the 5th largest state from the nation's 3rd largest city. As opposed to being mayor of a town of 8,000.
Sorry, this is a win for McCain.
I suppose you could see it that way, if you were stupid. Which you obviously are.
It's all priceless, really! There's no way the Democrats can spin this without harming themselves.:)
I rest my case. McCain has been attacking Obama for months as unexperienced and unready to lead. Then he appoints someone with a fraction of Obama's experience and flushes all that work down the toilet.
You'll take being a mayor of 8,000 people over a state senator in the 5th largest state from the nation's 3rd largest city? You might want to see a specialist about your broken sense of proportion.
Too bad. It's called playing politics, read up on it some time. It's no different from McCain's ad praising Obama when they're going to spend next week making him out to be the anti-Christ, or when Obama praises McCain's military service...before ripping him on policy.
So yes, Democrats are going to dismantle Palin, and the chances of real (as opposed to Republican concern trolls) Hillary supporters voting for Palin, who's opposed to everything Hillary stands for and campaigned on, is slim to none, and Slims on his way out of town.
Obama picked Biden because of his extensive knowledge on foreign policy
No, he picked Biden to serve as an attack dog.
which is perceived as one of his weakest aspects.
By idiot pundits and Republican concern trolls. Obama had the Iraq war right, had Afghanistan right, and the Iraqis think his plan to withdraw 2 brigades a month over 16 months is peachy. He has great judgment on foreign policy, better than Biden's, who voted for the Iraq war.
And, as always, Republicans are firing a howitzer in a glass house. Just how much foreign policy experience did George W. Bush have again? How about Ronald Reagan?
I'm sorry, but your whole post seems pretty ridiculous to me
They usually do to people wearing blinders.
First, I don't know where you heard that Palin has difficulties with mainstream conservatives because the opposite is true. Without a doubt she will serve to coax the conservative base of the Republican party who would otherwise stay home or vote independent or Obama.
But she also destroys McCain's biggest attack on Obama: that he has no experience. She's unknown in Washington circles, making it hard for other Republicans to back her up, as opposed to if McCain picked Kaily Hutchinson. And she has her own corruption problems to worry about, as she tried to have her trooper ex-brother in law fired during a child custody battle.
Second, I take exception to your claim (which you state as fact) that McCain has almost no chance of winning this election.
He doesn't.
Or haven't you heard that McCain has been rising in the polls for several months?
No, he hasn't. He's been floating in the same place and hasn't broken 45.
He surpassed Obama in several polls right before the Democratic National Convention.
In crappy polls like Zoogby. In other polls like SUSA with a history of accuracy, McCain is and always has trailed Obama.
McCain has no chance because:
He is the biggest flip flopper on the planet.
It's not just Dem rhetoric: McCain really has tied himself to Bush's policies.
Obama has far more fundraising capacity, and can force McCain to play defense in states like...Alaska.
He has no inspiring message or policy. Not a one. All he can do is try to tear down his opponent
The Dems have FINALLY learned their lesson from the Dukakis/Gore/Kerry debacles and have stopped playing prevent defense.
And finally, McCain has no chance because he's doing his best to alienate his most loyal base: the press. Just look at his cranky answers to softball questions from Time:
There's a theme that recurs in your books and your speeches, both about putting country first but also about honor. I wonder if you could define honor for us? Read it in my books.
I've read your books. No, I'm not going to define it.
But honor in politics? I defined it in five books. Read my books.
[Your] campaign today is more disciplined, more traditional, more aggressive. From your point of view, why the change? I will do as much as we possibly can do to provide as much access to the press as possible.
But beyond the press, sir, just in terms of... I think we're running a fine campaign, and this is where we are.
Do you miss the old way of doing it? I don't know what you're talking about.
Really? Come on, Senator. I'll provide as much access as possible...
In 2000, after the primaries, you went back to South Carolina to talk about what you felt was a mistake you had made on the Confederate flag. Is there anything so far about this campaign that you wish you could take back or you might revisit when it's over? [Does not answer.]
Do I know you? [Says with a laugh.] [Long pause.] I'm very happy with the way our campaign has been conducted, and I am very pleased and humbled to have the nomination of the Republican Party.
A lot of people know about your service from your books, but most people don't know that you have two sons currently in the military. Can you describe what it means to have Jack and Jimmy in uniform? We don't discuss our sons.
you will notice that out of all those bills he voted NV on 224 of them. That means he either voted "Not Voting", "Excused", "Absent", or "Present". and many of the NV votes were for some real issues that he didn't have the balls to vote for so people could not tell where he stands.
Which is a strategy in the Illinois statehouse. And given how many votes McCain has skipped in the last couple years, you're throwing big rocks in a nice glass house.
she has real executive experience.
I'll let Karl Rove answer that one. He was dissing Obama's possible choice of Tim Kaine, but they apply just as much to Sara Quale:
With all due respect again to Governor Kaine, he's been a governor for three years
I don't think people could really name a big, important thing that he's done. He was mayor of the 105th largest city in America.
So if he were to pick Governor Kaine, it would be an intensely political choice where he said, `You know what? I'm really not, first and foremost, concerned with, is this person capable of being president of the United States? What I'm concerned about is, can he bring me the electoral votes of the state of Virginia, the 13 electoral votes in Virginia?'
If you believe that the Washington Post is no friend to Democrats, then you obviously do not read the same paper I did growing up in the DC area.
Neither did you. WaPo loves Republican cock. It's insatiable. David "Dean" Broder said of Clinton when he left office, "he came in and trashed the place, and it's not his place" yet blows off Bush's torture/spying as mere "policy differences." The paper couldn't trash Gore or support neocon warmongering enough.
Except an important fact is that the Dems are trying to elect someone as president who has little experience, while the Reps are placing their low-experience candidate in the #2 slot.
The nice part about arguing with you wingnuts is that you're invariably full of shit on everything. George W. Bush's experience when he took office consisted of driving businesses into the ground and being the 5th most powerful politician in the state of Texas.
If you consider being mayor of a town of less than 9000 people to be "similar" to being a state senator from the 5th largest state and the 3rd largest city in the country.
Better than if we'd elected the other, even worse set of candidates.
A voter saying they're happy they voted for Bush is like Miramax saying they're happy they passed on Lord of the Rings after Peter Jackson brought Time Warner 11 Oscars and a few billion dollars.
Gore wouldn't have doubled the national debt. Gore wouldn't have tortured anyone. Gore wouldn't have ignored point blank warnings of hurricane Katrina. Gore might not have prevented 911, but he wouldn't have sat like a coward reading My Pet Goat. Gore wouldn't have started working on mass warrantless wiretapping as soon as he took office. Gore wouldn't have invaded the wrong country based on lies. Gore wouldn't have turned the DOJ into the Department of Getting Republicans Elected.
I know a few woman who are continually being physically abused by their SOs (BFs and husbands).
And what about men who are continually abused by their wives and girlfriends? Where is the Violence Against Men Act since men suffer more from violence than women? Where is Phil Hartman's made for TV movie?
Saying "it's never okay to hit a woman" rather than "it's never okay to hit someone" is as lame a double standard as those who insist bitch and c*** are offlimits but have no problems calling a man a dick, prick or asshole.
Why do wingnuts hate American workers so much? The reason the Dems paraded around Lilly Ledbetter was when they were trying to pass the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. And explain just how workers are supposed to find out in a timely fashion that they've been systematically discriminated against when salaries are confidential information.
The waterboarding manual used by the CIA was taken from Chinese communists in 1957, which they used on Americans to force confessions - not gather information. So, how long have you been a member of the Communist party?
And before that, we sentenced Japanese soldiers to 15 years hard labor for waterboarding American troops. Are you saying he shouldn't have been punished for torturing American troops?
And finally, by the Administrations standards, John McCain was never tortured in Vietnam.
McCain's people probably could find plenty of other bills that Obama has voted in favor of that support various corporate interests (this could probably be done for any senator) and respond with an attack ad to the effect that he's being a hypocrite and also not being tough on terrorists as well.
Just look at Tom Dashle: he bent over backwards to back the Administrations every national security demand, and they drove him out of office for being weak. The only Democrats to lose national office since 2000 are those who voted for the Iraq war.
But you do realize that that bill was going to pass even without him, right?
Not at all. Obama has gotten more votes than any primary candidate in history, and has raised more money than anyone in history. And the two biggest currencies in politics are votes and money - Obama could have put them to use in addition to his charisma and status as the party leader. He didn't.
Nice try. Obama and his friends are JUST as sleazy as McCain in this regard.
Spare us the false equivalency, if you please. Yes, half the Democrats voted for immunity - but that's still better than the Republicans who voted for it in lockstep.
Guess who's in big telco's pocketses? Ohh... yeah... everyone.
It's not just about donations, it's about covering their own asses. Teleco's have donated over $20,000 to Jay Rockefeller, chair of the Intelligence Committee, but that's pocketchange for a Rockefeller. He pushed hard for immunity because it would cover up his own complicity in the Administration's law breaking.
Unfortunately the telcos probably had a viable defense
If by "viable" you mean "totally indefensible", then yes.
(1) on government instructions and (2) on government advice that their action was legal
(1) Does that also apply to torture? How about kidnapping people and holding them without trial? (2) I'm fairly certain AT&T has a legal department. Qwest does and they said no.
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I won't vote for her, but I'd say she wins on *relevant* experience.
Sure, because you are an idiot. You're saying the manager of a local Burger King has enough experience to be a Fortune 100 CEO.
I think McCain has the more rational approach to Iraq
Which position? The one he had at the beginning where he said it would be a cakewalk? Or when he joined Bush in declaring Mission Accomplished? Or when he said we could stay in Iraq 100 years, 10,000 years, a million years?
Try barely 3 years in the senate.
3 and a half.
Doing basically nothing.
Liar.
No more so than selecting Obama as presidential candidate when he has no more--and arguably less--experience than Palin.
He's held elected office longer than she has, and not all elected offices are created equal. He was a state senator in the 5th largest state from the nation's 3rd largest city. As opposed to being mayor of a town of 8,000.
Sorry, this is a win for McCain.
I suppose you could see it that way, if you were stupid. Which you obviously are.
It's all priceless, really! There's no way the Democrats can spin this without harming themselves. :)
I rest my case. McCain has been attacking Obama for months as unexperienced and unready to lead. Then he appoints someone with a fraction of Obama's experience and flushes all that work down the toilet.
You'll take being a mayor of 8,000 people over a state senator in the 5th largest state from the nation's 3rd largest city? You might want to see a specialist about your broken sense of proportion.
Too bad. It's called playing politics, read up on it some time. It's no different from McCain's ad praising Obama when they're going to spend next week making him out to be the anti-Christ, or when Obama praises McCain's military service...before ripping him on policy.
So yes, Democrats are going to dismantle Palin, and the chances of real (as opposed to Republican concern trolls) Hillary supporters voting for Palin, who's opposed to everything Hillary stands for and campaigned on, is slim to none, and Slims on his way out of town.
Dems aren't going to attack Palin's experience, they're going to attack McCain's attack on Obama's experience by pointing out that she barely has any.
Obama picked Biden because of his extensive knowledge on foreign policy
No, he picked Biden to serve as an attack dog.
which is perceived as one of his weakest aspects.
By idiot pundits and Republican concern trolls. Obama had the Iraq war right, had Afghanistan right, and the Iraqis think his plan to withdraw 2 brigades a month over 16 months is peachy. He has great judgment on foreign policy, better than Biden's, who voted for the Iraq war.
And, as always, Republicans are firing a howitzer in a glass house. Just how much foreign policy experience did George W. Bush have again? How about Ronald Reagan?
I'm sorry, but your whole post seems pretty ridiculous to me
They usually do to people wearing blinders.
First, I don't know where you heard that Palin has difficulties with mainstream conservatives because the opposite is true. Without a doubt she will serve to coax the conservative base of the Republican party who would otherwise stay home or vote independent or Obama.
But she also destroys McCain's biggest attack on Obama: that he has no experience. She's unknown in Washington circles, making it hard for other Republicans to back her up, as opposed to if McCain picked Kaily Hutchinson. And she has her own corruption problems to worry about, as she tried to have her trooper ex-brother in law fired during a child custody battle.
Second, I take exception to your claim (which you state as fact) that McCain has almost no chance of winning this election.
He doesn't.
Or haven't you heard that McCain has been rising in the polls for several months?
No, he hasn't. He's been floating in the same place and hasn't broken 45.
He surpassed Obama in several polls right before the Democratic National Convention.
In crappy polls like Zoogby. In other polls like SUSA with a history of accuracy, McCain is and always has trailed Obama.
McCain has no chance because:
And finally, McCain has no chance because he's doing his best to alienate his most loyal base: the press. Just look at his cranky answers to softball questions from Time:
Obama, at the height of the buzz about him, could never muster more than 5 or 6 points over McCain.
5 or 6 points = electoral land slide.
McCain was up by two in the big national polls prior to the DNC Convention.
Yes, big, unreliable polls like Zoogby.
you will notice that out of all those bills he voted NV on 224 of them. That means he either voted "Not Voting", "Excused", "Absent", or "Present". and many of the NV votes were for some real issues that he didn't have the balls to vote for so people could not tell where he stands.
Which is a strategy in the Illinois statehouse. And given how many votes McCain has skipped in the last couple years, you're throwing big rocks in a nice glass house.
she has real executive experience.
I'll let Karl Rove answer that one. He was dissing Obama's possible choice of Tim Kaine, but they apply just as much to Sara Quale:
Eat it, bitch.
If you believe that the Washington Post is no friend to Democrats, then you obviously do not read the same paper I did growing up in the DC area.
Neither did you. WaPo loves Republican cock. It's insatiable. David "Dean" Broder said of Clinton when he left office, "he came in and trashed the place, and it's not his place" yet blows off Bush's torture/spying as mere "policy differences." The paper couldn't trash Gore or support neocon warmongering enough.
Except an important fact is that the Dems are trying to elect someone as president who has little experience, while the Reps are placing their low-experience candidate in the #2 slot.
The nice part about arguing with you wingnuts is that you're invariably full of shit on everything. George W. Bush's experience when he took office consisted of driving businesses into the ground and being the 5th most powerful politician in the state of Texas.
Actually their experience is roughly similar.
If you consider being mayor of a town of less than 9000 people to be "similar" to being a state senator from the 5th largest state and the 3rd largest city in the country.
So you complain about one generalization with another one?
35 women have served in the United States Senate. Care to take a guess as to how many black senators have preceded Obama? Only four.
Better than if we'd elected the other, even worse set of candidates.
A voter saying they're happy they voted for Bush is like Miramax saying they're happy they passed on Lord of the Rings after Peter Jackson brought Time Warner 11 Oscars and a few billion dollars.
Gore wouldn't have doubled the national debt.
Gore wouldn't have tortured anyone.
Gore wouldn't have ignored point blank warnings of hurricane Katrina.
Gore might not have prevented 911, but he wouldn't have sat like a coward reading My Pet Goat.
Gore wouldn't have started working on mass warrantless wiretapping as soon as he took office.
Gore wouldn't have invaded the wrong country based on lies.
Gore wouldn't have turned the DOJ into the Department of Getting Republicans Elected.
I know a few woman who are continually being physically abused by their SOs (BFs and husbands).
And what about men who are continually abused by their wives and girlfriends? Where is the Violence Against Men Act since men suffer more from violence than women? Where is Phil Hartman's made for TV movie?
Saying "it's never okay to hit a woman" rather than "it's never okay to hit someone" is as lame a double standard as those who insist bitch and c*** are offlimits but have no problems calling a man a dick, prick or asshole.
No, then you put the officials in jail as well. Why do you hate America?
Why do wingnuts hate American workers so much? The reason the Dems paraded around Lilly Ledbetter was when they were trying to pass the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. And explain just how workers are supposed to find out in a timely fashion that they've been systematically discriminated against when salaries are confidential information.
The waterboarding manual used by the CIA was taken from Chinese communists in 1957, which they used on Americans to force confessions - not gather information. So, how long have you been a member of the Communist party?
And before that, we sentenced Japanese soldiers to 15 years hard labor for waterboarding American troops. Are you saying he shouldn't have been punished for torturing American troops?
And finally, by the Administrations standards, John McCain was never tortured in Vietnam.
McCain's people probably could find plenty of other bills that Obama has voted in favor of that support various corporate interests (this could probably be done for any senator) and respond with an attack ad to the effect that he's being a hypocrite and also not being tough on terrorists as well.
Just look at Tom Dashle: he bent over backwards to back the Administrations every national security demand, and they drove him out of office for being weak. The only Democrats to lose national office since 2000 are those who voted for the Iraq war.
But you do realize that that bill was going to pass even without him, right?
Not at all. Obama has gotten more votes than any primary candidate in history, and has raised more money than anyone in history. And the two biggest currencies in politics are votes and money - Obama could have put them to use in addition to his charisma and status as the party leader. He didn't.
Nice try. Obama and his friends are JUST as sleazy as McCain in this regard.
Spare us the false equivalency, if you please. Yes, half the Democrats voted for immunity - but that's still better than the Republicans who voted for it in lockstep.
Guess who's in big telco's pocketses? Ohh... yeah... everyone.
It's not just about donations, it's about covering their own asses. Teleco's have donated over $20,000 to Jay Rockefeller, chair of the Intelligence Committee, but that's pocketchange for a Rockefeller. He pushed hard for immunity because it would cover up his own complicity in the Administration's law breaking.
Folk got way to over-excited about it.
Hell, it's ONLY the Constitution.
Unfortunately the telcos probably had a viable defense
If by "viable" you mean "totally indefensible", then yes.
(1) on government instructions and (2) on government advice that their action was legal
(1) Does that also apply to torture? How about kidnapping people and holding them without trial? (2) I'm fairly certain AT&T has a legal department. Qwest does and they said no.