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McCain Picks Gov. Palin As Running Mate
Many readers have written to tell us about McCain's choice of Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin as his VP choice. "Palin, 44, a self-described 'hockey mom,' is a conservative first-term governor of Alaska with strong anti-abortion views, a record of reform and fiscal conservatism and an outsider's perspective on Washington. [...] If elected, Palin would be the first woman US vice president, adding another historic element to a presidential race that has been filled with firsts. Obama, 47, is the first black nominee of a major US political party. The choice of a vice president rarely has a major impact on the presidential race. Palin will meet Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, in a debate in October."
Joe Biden: "Governor Palin, I served with Dan Quayle; Dan Quayle was a friend of mine. Governor, you're no Dan Quayle."
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I worked with her last year, doing some linux consulting work for the State of Alaska. I'd definitely tap her :)
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Great choice. Already getting the "maverick" tag as well. Obama's fate is sealed.
For a guy who was only doing better than Paul at the beginning of the primaries, McCain's doing well these days. 4 more years!
Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
The Republican ticket is now complete, with John McCain picking Sarah Palin, the Republican Governor of Alaska as his running mate. And sure, she is hot (safe for work) but it would appear she is also a proponent of teaching creationism alongside Evolution in public schools. I don't mean to start a flame war here (ok maybe just a little) but seriously, how can anyone take a candidate seriously when they shamelessly pander to the stupid lobby?
Prediction: The real iPhone killer is going to be sex robots from Japan. Think about it.
I think this is a great pick. The Democrats seem to want to attack Palin on experience but, in the minds of many, every attack/criticism they make against Palin will be silently re-asked by viewers about the Democrats' presidential pick.
Democrats are in a catch-22. Great political move by McCain. And Palin's speech in Dayton was excellent and motivating and inspirational, far more than what I heard from Obama last night at the DNC convention.
So after a huge front-page story that did nothing but announce Obama's running mate, McCain gets hidden away in some hidden corner of Slashdot. Despite the fact that Palin is a much more "nerd-friendly" pick than Biden. She's never tried to outlaw cryptography or make destroying copyright violators computers legal.
But hey, just because she's a better match for the political views of the average Slashdotter doesn't mean that Slashkos has to make this story visible. After all, it might threaten Saint Obama.
This is the way to get the dumb Hillary supporters (the ones who wanted her as president simply because she's a "she") to vote for McCain.
She's a VPILF. http://vpilf.com/
Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
Skin color and ethnicity should matter in an election, but Obama is half-"white American" half "Black African." While that technically makes him half African-American, he does not share the full cultural heritage that is commonly understood by the term "African-American."
His dad was from Africa, not the son or grandson of a sharecropper and not the descendant of slaves from pre-Civil-War America.
I will grant you that he grew up in the '60s and '70s in a time where his skin color gave him distinct disadvantages, but that's not the same as having parents and grandparents who faced the same obstacles.
Barak Obama has far more in common with lawyers from Harvard than your average African American.
Thankfully, for today's generation and the ones to follow, the cultural differences are becoming more about economic differences rather than differences in skin tone and whether your ancestors were property.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
...but will it actually attract the Hillary supporters that the McCain camp seeks? At least now when confronted with attacks that liken a McCain presidency to a 3rd Bush term, he can point to his female running mate as progress.
She's also quite photogenic and a decent speaker. Who wants to bet that Palin's VP debate performance will outshine McCain's debate performance?
"Modern Civilization" is destructive and unsustainable. The sad story of recent history proves most people are far too stupid to choose their leaders. Bring back Monarchy!
Well she just asked "What exactly does a vice president do?", on CNBC. Um, ok that is scary. This is just a female Dan Quayle that instead of golfing hunts, fishes and wrestles bears. Unfortunately she does none of these things naked.
An Education is the Font of All Liberty
Considering McCain is more likely to die in the next four (or eight) years than Obama, the choice of VP for McCain is more likely to determine who becomes the President after next. I know there's some Yoda joke here, but I just can't find it.
Let us not become the evil that we deplore.
It's so sad that so many Americans will fall for this trick.
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Face it, though, neither Palin (a self-admitted creationist) nor Biden (a proponent of stronger police powers) is a 'nerd-friendly' pick.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
I myself don't want to see McCain in the White House, but if they (McCain/Palin) actually do get elected, I wouldn't mind becoming an intern to Palin in the White House. You know what I am talking about! Yeah Baby!
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Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
I've heard discussions that Gov. Palin has had some difficulties with mainstream conservatives. Considering that McCain has almost no chance of winning this election, could picking Palin have been more about taking her out of the picture?
After all, how many candidates from losing presidential tickets - presidential or veep - have been endorsed for office by their parties afterwards?
This could be the GOP's way of holding on for Pawlenty and Romney to run at later times when there is a chance of the republicans winning the white house.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
She tried to get a state trooper fired for divorcing her sister and after that failed, fired his boss for not firing him.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
Yeah, because /. sure does have a majority on creationists.
I'm amazed at your ability to so perfectly lump all US citizens into one super-accurate stereotype!! I didn't realize that we all think we can spread democracy via a gun barrel. Thank god that an expert-on-all-things-American such as you told me, so that I know how to think! /sarcasm off
Tell me what country you're from so I can make an ignorant ill-informed statement about how you all feel.
Just a little something I read about the government not being allowed to outlaw or advance any particular religion. And, yeah, any form of ID? Yup, that's a religious belief, not a scientific one.
And for strict biblical literalists, teaching a heliocentric model of the solar system is going against their religion. Are we supposed to teach geocentrism in public schools, as well?
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Just to be sure about the spelling...
she is also a proponent of teaching creationism alongside Evolution in public schools
I don't see anything wrong with teaching the history of humanity's understanding of the planet's origins. For a long time, consensus was that the planet was 6,000 years old. Without learning about creationism, it is harder for students to grasp the extent of the impact that Darwin's On the Origin of Species had on the development of biology.
Which one of you would get to be under the desk? Oh behave!
Because when people talk about presenting "both" sides of an issue, they usually don't mean the "informed" and "uninformed" sides.
If the masses can keep you down, you're not the Ubermensch.
For the first time, we will have a vice-president that looks good naked!
Why, without your clothes, you're naked, Miss Dudley!
Because now we'll see a Hot for Vice President site spring up.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it!
Just look at how much eight years running the country has aged the G.W. Bush. I remember how he looked young in 1999.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
The very title of such a "Origins and Development of Life" class would imply that students would be taught on the origins and development of life - and not "Varying Views on the Origins and Development of Life"; thus creationism would still have no place in such a class.
There are already classes for creationism: theology classes. They may not be required material, but they do exist - and if you want that well-rounded education, you'll take it.
Unfortunately there are various problems with mandatory theology classes as generally proposed - not the least of which is that they mean Christian Theology classes; if other religions are mentioned at all, then they are generally mentioned in the bylines and quickly dismissed in favor of the Christian views. If you think that atheism is covered in such classes at all, you're horribly mistaken (well, other than the whole "non-believers go to hell, THEY GO TO HELL AND THEN THEY BURN AND THEY DIE!!!"-part, though they try to tone that down a little these days.)
Personally I don't think that religion has any place in public schools (what private schools do is entirely up to them), not even as an alternative view on things such as the origin of life, the universe, etc. No more than Time Cube would have a place as an alternative view on physics.
Because she looks strikingly similar to Laura Roslin.
I'm sure many others think this, but I think his strategy is to gather the Hillary voters....It's a bad strategy if you ask me because he simply brought her on just to win the election...which is just stupid.
The greatest revenge in life is massive success.
That I wish she were the PRESIDENTIAL nominee. Sarah Palin has excellent credentials of taking on corruption (even in her own party). She said no thanks to Sen. Ted "Internet Tubes" Steven's 100 million dollar "bridge to nowhere", and called for his investigation in a corruption scandal. I hear crickets from the Dems with respect to Rep William Jefferson (of New Orleans) and the $100K found in his freezer, etc...
The best thing about this is that it sets her up to be the nominee next time out.
Corporatism != Free Market
Are you saying she should have? I thought it was all about the "woman's right to choose" with the abortion crowd.
I wish McCain the best of luck in his presidental campaign.
I don't think he has any hope of winning.
But I wish him luck all the same. Gov Palin too.
Actually this is still under investigation. Nothing has been proven.
She is also against contraception!! Not just abortion, but F*'n contraception!
"I only speak the truth"
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And there are no 'facts' to point out.
Creationists don't live in the actual real world of cause and effect and rational thought, by definition. Me, I don't want irrational fundies in charge of MY nuclear weapons stockpile...
"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
Mod up Informative
... she looks strikingly similar to Laura Roslin.
Who, let it not be forgotten, is a non-democratic (small d) authoritarian with a militarism fetish.
That is all.
Either McCain is lying when he says Obama is not experienced enough, or he picked someone even less experience to be a heartbeat away from the presidency.
He looks bad either way.
Palin's speech was campy and insulting to females, and Hillary and Biden are going to tear her a new one for being anti-abortion, anti-condom, pro-creationist, and for being under investigation for corruption in her own state.
"I only speak the truth"
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Michael Palin will make an excellent vice presidential candidate. Awesome.
I'm glad I learned both creationism and evolution, because I come across many people that believe similarly. Why all the fear over knowledge, and people making informed choices themselves? The days of a single priest being the only man capable of reading a book, and proclaiming his interpretation, as the only correct interpretation are over. The self-appointed priests of science should do the same.
The article you link to is over a month old. Here is a list of more recent stories from the Anchorage Daily News:
http://searchalaska.adn.com/sp?keywords=monegan&submit=find+%BB&aff=1100
Sorry, this story is already getting amazing traction.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
So you would want a multi-party setup like most foreign countries? The type that crash and burn repeatedly (see Italy, et.al.) and do nothing but paralyze and weaken the government? (Not that a little gridlock is all bad). It may not be the best system but name a current better one.
> > >We don't need no steeekin'.....oh wait, my wife says we do.
So how many MIPS is that?
He's just handed the feminists who wanted Clinton a guarantee that they can have a female president within 4 years (with McCain's failing health, history of cancer and torture, his odds of surviving 4 years are quite small). Even if he managed to make it through 4 years of the presidency, getting rid of her in the 2nd term to prevent her becoming president would make it impossible to get reelected (and there is basically zero chance of McCain living another 8 years, even with the best medical care available).
"Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?" --Stephen Hawking
McCain and Biden have both been around a long time, and are known factors, and thus boring. So after watching too many speeches that were so vague that either side could have read them, I decided a Q&A between Obama and Palin could be very interesting.
Obama: What did you think of my acceptance speech, where I spoke of my vision for America based on my "belief that I am my brother's keeper"? (1)
Palin: I can't say that appeals to me, thinking of Americans living in 2 by 3 meter shacks, and living off only a dollar a day.
Palin: You are only 40 something, and the Junior Senator of Illinois, do you really think you have the experience to be President?
Obama: You too are only 40 something, and the Governor of Alaska, but do you really think a woman should even be considered for vice-president? (2)
Obama: I heard you're a NRA member, could you show me how to load a gun? Just kidding, I don't believe in the 2cd Amendment.
Palin: I read your voting record, could you tell me how you could possibly support infanticide? Just kidding, I couldn't even consider feticide. (3)
(1) Yes, Obama actually used that metaphor in his nomination acceptance speech, August 28th 2008.
(2) Obama didn't even have the courtesy to vet Hillary Clinton as a possible vice-president, ouch.
(3) Palin's 5th child, in the womb, was diagnosed with Downs Syndrome, but she kept him anyway.
Is there any reason that this story shouldn't be in the politics section which does not show up on my front page?
"Thanks for all the money you paid to us. We've used it to buy off ISO among other things" -Microsoft
The article you link to is over a month old. Here is a list of more recent stories from the Anchorage Daily News:
Thank you, it was the first one I found with a reasonable summary. A better one is:
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510080.html
It looks like it was published in the last hour or so. It also itemizes the results of the internal investigation against the state trooper.
Sorry, this story is already getting amazing traction.
I'm not surprised. Both sides are eager to dig up dirt on each other, and this is about the only thing that they have been able to find on Palin. She has made a lot of enemies (in Alaska) from both parties, so it was inevitable.
As a member of the stupid lobby, the news media takes the Democratic party quite seriously, no matter how much stupidity they pander.
Because now we'll see a Hot for Vice President site spring up.
http://www.vpilf.com/
There are state mandated curricula. Teachers are employees, just like say software engineers. They have bosses, and the bosses tell them what to teach and how to teach it.
Back in the day teachers often had a good bit of leeway, they put together a course and taught it. Maybe they had to use whatever textbook was available but beyond that they did usually largely do their own thing, but even then it was far from beyond supervision or intervention.
Nowadays with state mandated textbooks, lesson plans, standardized tests, etc as well as being even more in the public eye than ever before it is actually pretty difficult for teachers to wander much from what they've been told to teach.
Sure, teachers can obviously present things in a way that tends to present certain views in a better or worse light, but they aren't free to ignore or disparage material. School administrators have plenty of problems already, and they are not usually too happy about teachers who's techniques land angry parents on their backs either, so the general attitude is 'stop making trouble and just teach what your told to.'
Plus there is the fact that some really large percentage of teachers are themselves either anti-evolution or can't tell the difference between ID and science (and are none too well grounded in the science itself for that matter).
I will agree with you that a few teachers will go to the wall, and be fired. A somewhat larger percentage of the good ones will roll their eyes and try to do the best they can. But they're only human and being fired is no fun.
"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
Ms Palin has been a pain in the arse to the oil Companies in Alaska.
What do you suppose the odds are that after donating a few million (documented) to the McCain Campaign they said 'And oh, By the way, we've got a honest, attractive woman that would make a great VP if you'd just *GET HER THE HELL OUT OF ALASKA!*'.
If they win, she's out of Alaska Politics. If they lose, she's out of the state for awhile, and it never helps anyone's political career to be on a losing presidential campaign.
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No, this is only ONE thing. Read the other articles. Far from being fiscally conservative, she raised the Alaska budget. She doesn't know what the duties of VP are. She is rabidly anti-evolution. She supports Ted Stevens. She has no experience. Please, she's a terrible, terrible pick for VP.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
adding another historic element to a presidential race that has been filled with firsts
Historical, perhaps. But not a first. Geraldine Ferraro anyone? This is "historical" in the sense that she is the second female vice presidential candidate of a major US party (third if you count Nader's VP Jan Pierce in 2004). Also remember, the rest of the world has been doing the "female vice president" thing for a long while.
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Obama's pick of Washington-hack Joe Biden was featured on the slashdot front page, but this, you have to dig in the Politics section to find it.
Do I sense media bias?
My reason for closely examining the two VP candidates this time around has more to do with the original purpose of the office. For different reasons, I would not be surprised if either major party candidate didn't get to finish out their terms, as sad as that is...
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Not that this is the basis for my vote, but I'd like to point out that Palin was the Gov. of Alaska, one of the states that McCain is older than. Made me smile, at least ; - )
do you think 2 years as the governor of a state is less than 4 years as a back bench Senator who didn't chair a subcommittee meeting? Her greatest accomplishment so far is running a state. Obama's greatest accomplishment so far is running a successful campaign. Alaska has a population of approximately 670,000 people and this is how many people she has been in charge of for 2 years. How many people has Obama been in charge of? regardless of where you personally stand on issues at least you can know where she stands with no flip-flopping, especially regarding free-market capitalism(the reagan kind), abortion(pro-life, had her child at age 44 even though she knew he would have down syndrome), and pro-choice as far as education. We dont know what Obama stands for except that he for the most socialist policy that i have ever read...coming just shy to that of marxism. She is also a member of NRA and supports the use of guns as she is an avid hunter too.(that must scare the far-left). She is blue-collar and doesn't have to prove it because she has lived it and lives it. Of course all the "sophisticated" people in the northeast will try to strike her down because she isn't part of the "club"(shes a hunter, from a small town, has 5 kids, didnt go to brown, yale or harvard). America needs someone outside of CEO corporate washington to represent us. whatever else i have said in this post i think most of you will agree with this. When the state construed a budget reserve she took that money and put it into an Alaskan state savings account, instead of spending it just to spend it like wildfire and of course certain legislative bodies didn't like that. She also wants to drill USA oil, not get oil from places where people want to wipe us off the face of the earth. She has tried but our friendly government has said no way. Hmm wonder why??
I think he's senile now.
if you subscribe to the Bush doctrine on torture (as McCain now does), then McCain himself was never "tortured" at the Hanoi Hilton and the anti-American statements he made to his captors are, in fact, truthful and accurate intelligence.
from a comment on a story in the Wash Post.
Well, for starters she is a creationist (though it sounds like she is promising to keep out of the debate, even though her personal opinion is that both should be taught), which has a definite science angle to it.
So far the only bits of tech policy anyone has mentioned out of her has to do with oil drilling, which she in favor of (married to an oil industry peep and lives in a state that gets stipends from anyone drilling there)
Someone else was bitching that this story did show up on the front page, and wasn't tucked away in the Politics section to make it easier to filter out...
I think it's just sloppy editing, really.
Bow-ties are cool.
and won't appeal to that crowd beyond her gender. She's pro-life and reportedly has fairly conservative political views (and has chosen to align herself with the Republican party).
Anyone who is willing to sell-out on their political beliefs just to vote for a gender lacks integrity, in my opinion. If you want to vote for McCain / Palin because they align with your political beliefs, fine. But don't vote for them just because one of them happens to be female.
When was the last VP that individually made any sort of difference? Ford? If so, what exactly was his individual difference? They could have been any number of interchangeable politicians for years. If they take over, they are lame ducks and can't make much individual difference anyway.
Win, lose or draw in the election, Ms. Palin stands to gain the advantage for the next election or the one after that. I think she is being groomed for bigger and better things.
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
Cause I approve this pick.
To insult Barak Obama is to insult all 2008 Democratic Party nominees for the President of the United States everywhere.
This idea that there are legions of women, progressive democratic, pro-choice women, who supported hillary and now will flock to John Mccain is nothing but a fox news myth. "Oh I supported democrats all my life, and I still support democratic ideal, but I'm voting McCain because his veep has ovaries"..bollocks... And patently patronizing...
Epic fail, John Mccain, try your next gimmic.
Open Letter from the Charimwoman of the NOW PAC
Not Every Woman Supports Women's Rights
August 29, 2008
Statement of NOW PAC Chair Kim Gandy on the Selection of Sarah Palin as John McCain's Vice Presidential Pick
Sen. John McCain's choice of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate is a cynical effort to appeal to disappointed Hillary Clinton voters and get them to vote, ultimately, against their own self-interest.
Gov. Palin may be the second woman vice-presidential candidate on a major party ticket, but she is not the right woman. Sadly, she is a woman who opposes women's rights, just like John McCain.
The fact that Palin is a mother of five who has a 4-month-old baby, a woman who is juggling work and family responsibilities, will speak to many women. But will Palin speak FOR women? Based on her record and her stated positions, the answer is clearly No.
In a gubernatorial debate, Palin stated emphatically that her opposition to abortion was so great, so total, that even if her teenage daughter was impregnated by a rapist, she would "choose life" -- meaning apparently that she would not permit her daughter to have an abortion.
Palin also had to withdraw her appointment of a top public safety commissioner who had been reprimanded for sexual harassment, although Palin had been warned about his background through letters by the sexual harassment complainant.
What McCain does not understand is that women supported Hillary Clinton not just because she was a woman, but because she was a champion on their issues. They will surely not find Sarah Palin to be an advocate for women.
Sen. Joe Biden is the VP candidate who appeals to women, with his authorship and championing of landmark domestic violence legislation, support for pay equity, and advocacy for women around the world.
Finally, as the chair of NOW's Political Action Committee, I am frequently asked whether NOW supports women candidates just because they are women. This gives me an opportunity to once again answer that question with an emphatic 'No.' We recognize the importance of having women's rights supporters at every level but, like Sarah Palin, not every woman supports women's rights.
This is a palindrome:
A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!
The letters, not the words, are the same back-to-front.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Far from being fiscally conservative, she raised the Alaska budget.
Yes, to a record $6.6B. But, at the same time, vetoed $231M.
She is rabidly anti-evolution.
This has already been discussed elsewhere in this article's comments. Such a claim will require more corroboration than you have offered.
She supports Ted Stevens.
That would explain why she cancelled his infamous Bridge to Nowhere.
She has no experience.
Yes, she is thin on experience. But, she has more experience in an executive position than both of her opponents, combined.
[i]"...a self-described "hockey mom," is a conservative first-term governor of Alaska with strong anti-abortion views, a record of reform and fiscal conservatism"[/i] All news outlets are carrying this same spoonfed McCain press release verbatim. Journalism at its finest.
Am I the only one hoping for naked pictures????
Of Sarah that is!
Obama camp chooses an "attack dog" in Biden, and he in fact comes out all guns blazing. Should McCain camp also chose a hard-boiled "attack dog"?
No.
Choose a target that Biden simply can't attack. 44 years old middle class (certainly no millionaire) woman mother of 5. Went against republican and won, went against democrat and won. Sports fan. She's pro-life but it's hard to dismember her there, too, because she "puts her money where her mouth is" - she knew she had a baby with a down syndrome long before birth, and had the baby nonetheless.
Inexperience: she's a vicepresident candidate and has MORE government experience than Obama, the PRESIDENTIAL candidate! I find it hilarious when Obama camp supporters attack her lack of experience - forgetting that Obama has LESS!
So what the heck is Biden the attack dog going to attack? Suddenly, his blazing guns don't seem to be very effective.
And McCain is probably going to pick up at least a few female voters from the democratic camp, and at least a few catholic votes, too. He doesn't need much, as the race is close, and even a bit in favour of McCain.
I think this was a game-changer move. Maybe it's curtains for Obama.
Disclaimer: I equally dislike Obama and McCain. I liked Hillary Clinton and I must admit, I kinda like Palin, too.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
I will treasure it for minutes. But then I need to go back to flaming the trolls.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
So McCain's asking us to elect an experienced septuagenarian with a history of skin cancer who will likely keep his inexperienced VP isolated and useless; should he not make it through his entire term, then what?
Recent bad health news on skin cancer here.
Who, exactly, is the "stupid lobby?"
(Like most Slashdotters, I, too, think everyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid. I'm just trying to determine if I should flame you or clamor for you to be modded up.)
Hoorah for the reasoned debates of Slashdot!
So, what, if he was confident he'd purposefully pick a running mate that would lose him votes?
Also comparing him to the ipod pre-huge-success kinda hints that he's going to come out on top, which isn't what I think you're trying to get across.
Seems to me it was a smart pick, irrelevant of his odds at taking the presidency this time around.
"A witty saying proves nothing." - Voltaire
http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/08/29/did-palin-really-fight-the-bridge-to-nowhere.aspx
Here's what she told the Anchorage Daily News on October 22, 2006, during the race for the governor's seat (via Nexis):
5. Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?
Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now--while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.
The "congressional delegation" she was talking about was Ted Stevens.
congrats for totally smoking spud603. thanks for injecting some facts into this. he got told!!
8 years later, this fine woman will become President. A Republican one... 16 more years, thank you very much.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
To quote a blogger on National Review, if this person with all of her credentials and history had been a man, would she have gotten nominated? If you think that this pick didn't have anything to do with trying to pander to disgruntled Hillary Clinton voters, then I've got a bridge to nowhere in Alaska to sell you.
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
Better political methods have been established and proved by current sleazy TV producers.
At the end, number one is President, number two is Vice-President.
So we could end up with: Palin-Obama, McCain-Biden, etc. ... truly interesting!
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Why do we consider Sen. Obama the first black nominee? He is half black. If he were living in Africa, he be considered white. Just something I have been wondering.
If a sizeable portion of the population holds to an "uninformed" side, then you had better teach that, too. Heck, I try to teach my kids what Democrats think and we have a great discussion about it.
Wait a minute. A conservative. A woman who is not a strong candidate - a woman who has been much more passive and has much less political experience. A woman who does not believe in abortion. The half-term governor of a red state.
Are you honestly implying that this is going to make the feminists happy?
I mean, seriously, not just the regular soccer mom public, many of whom were Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary at a chance at getting Clinton elected. You're seriously implying that FEMINISTS, that women who are interested in women's rights and choices are going to see this as a reason to vote for McCain?
If I were going to be making bets, I'd be laying odds that in the next few days, you're going to be seeing a lot of blog posts by some very pissed-off feminists who feel insulted that this is how McCain decided to try and win them over, that he thought he could bring in some of the women who were supporting one of the most powerful women in American political history by offering them an unexperienced, unnoticeable woman who disagrees with them on most "women's" issues. You keep using that word "feminist" - I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
If a Libertarian candidate gets elected, there won't be a state for anyone to worry about. Either the US would simply collapse under one of the most retarded political ideologies ever thought up, or the people will tear down the gates of the White House to get back what some crazy-ass ideologue has tossed out to satisfy the pathetic selfish urges of Libertarianism.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Fine.
Great.
Now show us your tits.
Research shows that 67% of those who use the term "research shows", are just making shit up.
shouldnt that be vpMILF.com ??
There's evidence
that Kennedy's choice for VP, Lyndon Johnson, managed to bump him off
three years later allowing LBJ to become president. Maybe
McCain's just watching his back by choosing a VP that potential
assassination conspirators would like even less than
McCain.
I'm sorry, being a mayor of a town of 9000 doesn't qualify you to be Vice President, especially when the presidential candidate has age and a history of health problems going against him.
As for governor, Alaska has a population of 670,000, roughly twice the population of the CITY I live in.
Alaska also does not face the same challenges as other states. They basically don't have many taxes since they get all their wealth from oil, and so they don't have to deal with the budget issues other states have been stuck with. And she's only been governor for 2 years. At least George W. Bush had a lot more experience than that as governor of Texas. Also, they've been getting a huge windfall of revenue whereas most states are struggling to balance their budgets due to the high oil prices. There are no statewide income, sales, property or inheritance or state taxes (some localities have their own local taxes). Palin actually RAISED taxes on the oil companies and limited their exploration and development (which affects everyone else).
She has no international experience, or for that matter, any national experience.
Obama had millions of votes for him as a senator, several times the entire population of Alaska. Even as a state senator he represented far more people than she has as a mayor.
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As a Canadian, I have to mod McCain's choice "+1, Hockey". :)
Palin must be seriously considered as presidential material.
Yeah.... I'm thinking Fail Epic.
This is just another one of their "it's the seriousness of the charges, not the substance of the evidence" red herrings. Welcome to democratic politics a la Bork, Thomas, etc.
That there be some strong ignorance, boy. Your second 2 points are worthless and I won't bother detailing refutes for them. Your first point doesn't make sense. Shacks? That must be part of your ludicrous superstition.
Some would argue that Law degree is a turn off. The point is Palin even before she joined the PTA, Ran for City Council, became mayor and governor was co owner of several businesses. She has more executive experience in her pinky finger then Obama does, and that's even if you include the prospective executive experience Obama had on that committee he served on in Chicago, but doesn't seem to want to talk about. You know the one where he served along with Weather Underground Terrorist William Ayers? Besides, its been Obama who has been arguing all along that his experience doesn't matter, but now he wants to change his mind, flip flop and say that it does. DOn't know how closely you watched his speech last night, but The ONE flip flopped on a number of things he was for during the primary to get the nomination. Interesting wouldn't you say?
And not a one of them include the color of Barry Soetoro's skin.
Er, does VPilf stand for the same thing as Milf? Is this subliminal?
Just the same dirty tatics of the GOP machine, this time trying to pick up votes from Clinton.
I think my favorite GOP attack on the dems is that Obamba is too popular -- er, isn't that the goal in a democracy?
Are you saying she should have? I thought it was all about the "woman's right to choose" with the abortion crowd.
Seriously. Choosing to have a child with Down's Syndrome is brave and not something any pro-choice advocate should have a problem with. They might suspect that she was pressured into it by her community/party/husband/church, but that'd be a concern, not a reason to condemn the decision.
No. The problem pro-choice women will have with Palin isn't that she chose not to abort a baby with Down's. The problem they will have is that she would like to deny them the opportunity to choose in the same situation.
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...so IOW you're going to take a cigar into your, err... where?
Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
I used to count on Slashdot to be way ahead on the mainstreem media.. I'd read stories here I wouldn't see on the news for days or weeks.
This was up on CNN 6 hours ago!
If anything speaks to the silliness of these labels and the criteria or them, it's that someone whose father was from Africa can genuinely be argued to not be "African-American".
He obviously is, but your point that "African-American" normally doesn't refer to people who are actually from Africa recently, is also true.
Which just shoes how silly these labels are.
To quote LongNoi "QZTR was right and won't leave me alone because I called him a moron when I was wrong" FYS
"He just destroyed the "Obama doesn't have the experience to lead" meme. "
Oh? How? Who's going to say she's inexperienced? Barack Obama?
Just how does he attack her without the attack doing a boomerang right back on him? Her time has been spent as an executive. She's done budgets, personnel, and signed and vetoed legislation.
Obama has done, oh, none of that. This is why his campaign's statement about her being the mayor of a small rube town was so silly. It allows Palin to say "Well, by all means, lets hear of your impressive credentials as a community organizer".
The brilliance of this pick is that the Democrats can't harp on Palin's supposed Vice-Presidential inexperience without highlighting Barack Obama's Presidential inexpierience.
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If she was a man, she would be Dan Quayle
A lot of people will fall in to the trap of believing in "science" when a their "priesthood" endorses. A great example is the anti-nuclear group.
Another group is the pro nuclear power group.
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of someone who supports the holocaust of 50 Million infants and counting since Roe v. Wade complaining about a lack of integrity?
...it seems like this would be good news for Obama. I think the McCain campaign handed him a prize here. Biden looked like a bad choice because he didn't bring a big swing state (electoral votes, not geographic size) to the table. Palin doesn't do that either, so the "swing state" strategy is off the table. The experience card is off the table too, and that was a significant burden on Obama. I don't think most Hillary voters will cross party lines just because she's a woman. The typical Hillary voter is PRO CHOICE and she isn't! When I heard the announcement, I was like... wow! McCain shot himself in the foot.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
McCain attacks Obama about his lack of experience and then picks Palin as his running mate, who is inexperienced, but young and female to atract some of Hillary's crew.
Obama attack McCain about being too "Old Washington" with no relation to actual folks, then picks Biden who has been around longer than McCain and is one of the biggest partisan 'attack-dogs' in the democratic party, but he brings experience and credibility.
That's politics for ya. Goes to show what each camp thought about the effectiveness of the others attacks.
FUNK!
I'm sorry, but the "I was unaware of what my staff was doing" excuse has to be the dumbest excuse ever. Evidence is unimportant, because only two possibilities exist. Either she knew what her staff was doing and approved, or she didn't know what her staff was doing, in which case, she is incompetent. A staffer has come forward and admitted that undue pressure was placed on the state troopers to fire the man. That staffer was then fired. It's the seriousness of the charges, AND the substance of the evidence.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
There's no clear win for McCain with her. She takes the experience argument off the table. She accentuates McCain's age. She won't deliver any more states in the election. She'll raise focus on the Ted Stevens indictment. She has her own ethics problems. She won't bring in the Hillary delusionals when they find out she's pro-life. The only thing she does is excite the shriveling GOP base for a couple weeks.
Biden will wipe the floor with her at the VP debate.
She angered Big Oil in Alaska, maybe she was forced on McCain to get rid of her. If McCain is elected and doesn't complete his term, she might be very malleable to the hidden hands in Washington, which are much stronger than those in Alaska.
We already approached this question in Victorian times (Women were campaigning for suffrage since 1845).
And we all knew the result: Emancipation for the black man in 1863, while women didn't have the right to vote until 1920.
History repeats itself, wait and see.
Pro-Creationist Republican thinks choosing Palin's "awesome", Obama is toast.
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Given that Bush had more executive experience than either of them prior to getting elected, I fail to see how the 'experience' issue is relevant.
Also, the idea that 'flip-flopping' matters may appeal to the bumper-sticker voters (which I'll grant you are a sizable majority), but given McCain's frequent changes of heart, I think we can rule it out as a contributor to the failure or success of either candidate.
what *is* wrong with creationism?
Nothing, so long as it's not taught in science. It is not science. Now if you want to teach it in a philosophy class then go ahead, however if you do be sure to also teach the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Apache Creation Story, and The Zuni Creation Cycle among others.
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Very, very few of us "blacks" are 100% African anymore.
The genetics of african descended peoples in north america are as complicated as anywhere. There are many threads of native american / first nations people mixed in; there are the legacies of rape and other illicit liaisons due to slavery; there are many hidden love stories due to notions of miscegenation; there are adoptions and people who "pass."
My children bear all of these influences in their genes, plus my mongrel euro history. It is definitely easier for them to grow up this way in Canada than most places I've seen or heard of in the States.
I was involved in the documentation of a conference for Black youth with the theme of the African Diaspora. The canadian students who attended had a hugely diverse set of identities, that included being Black, Canadian, and ethnic (e.g. Somali, Jamaican, canadian descendants of the underground railroad, etc.). The American students didn't really grasp ethnicity separate from the idea of race: black, white, latino. Let's just say that while the african-american culture of the USA students was a defining point for everyone involved, the canadians tended to be more cosmopolitan and adaptable to difference, and seek out ways to get along. Obama's views on race seem... more 21st century than most Americans'.
I think that the USA's debate on race will take some further generations to clear up: the melting pot is a divisive strategy when combined with unresolved legacies of slavery. At least Obama's entry into the reek of presidential campaigning will crack the debate open somewhat.
Damn those pesky terrorists
Bullshit. If anything, attempting to stifle scientist's opinion on things outside their area of expertise is a greater threat to science than religion.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
And sure, she is hot [vpilf.com] (safe for work) but it would appear she is also a proponent of teaching creationism alongside Evolution in public schools [wired.com].
What's your problem with students receiving a more well-rounded education on the different views that are out there?
What's wrong with teaching creationism in science? It is not science, teach science not mythology in science.
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Well, that was definitively a shrewd move by McCain. If he croaks, she's next in line. Americans know this. And he's basically going after all those "Hillary-Clinton-didn't-win-or-get-VP" voters who don't want to vote for Obama. I'm not a fan of McCain, but give credit where its due, this was a bold move and a good one for him. The next 60 days are going to be very interesting.
She's under investigation as well for various ethical issues.
"I only speak the truth"
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Wait. I'm a conservative... I have a girlfriend... What the hell am I doing here?
I don't think the creationists understand that science class is for science.. creationism is clearly not science...
They may be able to intimidate the media but they can't shoehorn their way into scientific discussions by means of an "equal time" argument.. which is what they are trying to do.
The United States is an international laughingstock because of these people.
I remember it well. The headline of the 'Village Vice' read; "Public Baffled As Fools Vie For Office". I just wish it was in their archives.
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Your hat fell off. You need to order a new one.
I don't want creationism taught in a science class
Then you're talking about something different than what other people are talking about. There are people out there, people in power, who want to teach creationism as science -- some using the paper-thin disguise of Intelligent Design, some not even bothering with that -- and that's who most of us are trying to keep at arms length.
No he's not. Actually you are backing he up, but you start by saying he's wrong. He says he doesn't want creationism taught in science then you say they are trying to use ID to teach creationism in science.
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You know the one where he served along with Weather Underground Terrorist William Ayers?
Doing any sort of politics in Chicago requires dealing with a whole bunch of shady characters. It's just a messy, messy place.
its been Obama who has been arguing all along that his experience doesn't matter, but now he wants to change his mind
I haven't, as of this posting, heard a single word out of Obama or any of his direct campaign advisors on McCain's VP pick. So I don't know how you can (yet) claim a flip flop is involved. Random yokels, be they on the Internet or on a 24 news network, do not speak for the campaign.
That said . . .
The ONE flip flopped on a number of things he was for during the primary to get the nomination. Interesting wouldn't you say?
Not really. "Flip flopping" is something you can accuse every politician ever of doing. It's only something you'd bring up if you have absolutely nothing better to throw at them.
The tennent of democracy is that you don't trust people with power. If you could, you'd be better off giving them absolute dictitorial control--it'd be a whole lot more efficient, and because you trust them, you trust them not to abuse their power. That situation is obviously a pipe dream, so instead we let people have power who want power, but make the system inefficient and force them to fight each other. A "do nothing congress" is actually a design goal.
An important part of that is it's OK for politicians to switch positions on a whim to cater to different voters. They want power, and will say anything to get it. That's just fine, because the system is designed to handle it.
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This woman is not qualified to be the President of the United States.
They won't. I'm already seeing "she has executive experience, which Obama doesn't..." which is to say that being Governor of a state with fewer people than Austin TX, and even then for only 1.5 years, is more critical than legislative experience at any level for any length of time. They'll continue saying that Obama is "untested," and when Democrats point quizzically to their candidate will just refuse to get the absurdity of what they're saying.
They've been saying for months that Obama's youth and inexperience make him ineligible. Now that they themselves offer someone with more youth and inexperience, they rub their hands together and gloat that now they have the Democrats over a barrel. "She has just as much experience as Obama, and you're okay with him!" The problem is that it was Republicans, not Democrats, who made experience such a critical quality. What is it in the last 48 hours that made them comfortable with someone with the experience level of a Palin or Obama? Do they now think they were wrong before in insisting on experience? How can you change your entire argument 180 degrees and act as if you've completely checkmated your opponent?
It shouldn't phase me, but I'm still astonished when I see it in action. They do the same thing with religion, military service, whatever. If a Republican has military service then it indicates patriotism, expertise in foreign affairs, sacrifice, maturity, etc. If a Democrat like Murtha or Kerry has military service...well, that doesn't matter, and there "are questions" about their service anyway. It's not just cynical--I do think they are actually sincere when they believe these things. It's both fascinating and disturbing to witness.
If parents want to ruin their children's chances at ever getting a decent education, its their right, I suppose (sadly) to home school..
But when they try to force their regressive viewpoint on others, in public schools, then I think they have crossed a line. NO NO NO..
Evolution is not a "theory", its fact, supported by 'evidence' in the form of entire branches of science and now, literally centuries of experience and archaeological discovery that verify those facts exponentially.
There is not even the tiniest shred of possibility that creationists are right on anything and massive amounts of evidence that they are NOT.
The Enlightenment in European thought taught us that we structure our view of the world on FACTS, not on "I say so".
So, to even suggest that "creationism" has standing to be taught to children in a public school is ludicrous and most importantly, it makes the United States into an international laughingstock that any serious educator would even consider it here.
This is not the Dark Ages, its the 21st century...
... by McCain. Despite the more-or-less balanced polls, he must have been shitting bricks to have listened to his advisors long enough to have agreed to this. What a proud, principled ticket this now is - a bellicose warmonger, backed up by a happy-clappy who doesn't 'get' science. Whew.
i didnt understand zit from this choice of mccain.
he was shouting that obama was too inexperienced all around.
then he went, and chose someone who has just been elected into state governorship, fresh out of the mayorship of a WHOPPING 10.000 crowded town.
not only that, but alaska is a place that is totally different from all states in america, hell, forget that, it is a state and geography that is TOO different from almost ALL countries and regions in the world save a few.
scarcely populated, its almost a polar region.
then theres this - you are running for a conservative party, and you are choosing a woman for vp. a woman who looks like she's an upstart too, not someone who is in senate for 20 years, 10 years, etc. a woman in charge is a turn off for many conservative voters not only in u.s., but worldwide. you may be trying to play into the 'change' calls going on out there, but taking that much risk, how come ?
and someone who is actually under investigation, NOW. not before. and someone who admitted to doing stuff that may easily be interpreted as abuse of power, office too.
and gonna pit against whom ? biden. a looooooong time senator, chairman of foreign relations committee for years.
please someone explain me what the hell is going on.
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Women will vote for her just because she's a woman. Similarly, all African Americans are crazy about Clarence Thomas, just because he's black.
If D women vote for a pro-life, gonna-overturn-Roe V Wade R woman, then I guess they get what they deserve. Some will, no doubt. I can only hope that it isn't enough to swing the election. On the other hand, I'm wondering how many social conservatives will feel insulted and manipulated by the offer of Palin. Not all of course, but quite a few were offended at Harriet Miers's nomination to the SCOTUS.
Even embattled minority groups have the capacity to recognize someone's lack of qualifications, and realize that, purity aside, you can't just pin your vote to whoever happens to check the box.
She's had a lot more political exerience than that, serving in several other elected and appointed offices prior to being elected governor.
It's two years experience as chief executive of the largest state in the country, including being the CinC of its National Guard. How many years executive experience do Senators Obama and Biden have? McCain at least had some command experience in the Navy.
Oh, that's right. Obama ran the Chicago Annenburg Challenge, handing out millions of dollars to politically-correct educational initiatives, while turning down those that aimed to improve math and science performance.
Yes, let's talk about her lack of experience.
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The most obvious pander since Ferraro.
Zero foreign-policy experience.
Already scandal-tainted.
This is who we want one heartbeat away from the presidency? With the relevant heartbeat being that of a 72-year-old, multiple cancer victim?
I knew McCain would do anything to get elected, but I didn't think he was completely unhinged. I guess that explains why he hired the same goons who ran the smears against him in South Carolina. In the immortal words of Penny Arcade: batshit fucking loco.
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Palin is used to supporting those with Downs so she'll be able to look after McCain and his supporters with the greatest of ease.
What is wrong from a scientific standpoint?
Creationism is not science that's what's wrong with teaching creationism in science. And ID, Intelligent Design, is just an attempt to dress up creationism in scientific clothes.
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Now we just need the ones about her being under investigation or showing that she's a complete liar when ask about the VP position and she stated she'd stay true to her Alaskian people
She's not that hot, she's got real issues and she produces broken babies.
I'll pass on that for sure.
Obviously, if she is elected, then she is, but the media needs to make sure that people realize that voting for McCain means that a man who does not know how to use a computer (BY HIS OWN ADMISSION) and that a woman who does not believe in evolution - uh..that someone who believes that stuff could easily become President is terrifying to me at least.
There is a book out there called The Handmaiden's Tale that is about a sort of Christian Taliban takeover of the US and its the scariest book I have ever read.. its so ... possible..
Some of these fundamentalists are cruel, angry, lets be honest - evil people..
They are the REASON that we have separation of church and state.. The founders of this country did not agree on everything but they DID agreed on one very important thing, that religion (or no religion) was apersonal matter and that democracy and THEOCRACY were fundamentally INCOMPATIBLE..
That is one of the reasons this country is still in existence after more than 200 years.
Have you ever seen "The Crucible"? Its about the Salem witch trials..
See it!
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I haven't, as of this posting, heard a single word out of Obama or any of his direct campaign advisors on McCain's VP pick.
Looks like that's changed now.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080829171140.5123i228&show_article=1
she's a vicepresident candidate and has MORE government experience than Obama
Uhm, not quite:
From Wikipedia:
Barack Obama:
Senator:
January 4, 2005 to now (3.5 years)
Illinois Senate:
January 8, 1997 - November 4, 2004 (8 years)
Sarah Palin:
Governor:
December 4, 2006 - now (not quite 2 years)
Mayor:
1996 - 2002 (6 years)
Welcome to Math 101.
That said, I like her stance on corruption, but she's only the VP candidate, so being VP under someone whose campaign is pretty much owned by the special interests she spurns is going to cripple any chance she has of doing anything unless McCain kicks the bucket.
She's also a creationist, anti-abortion, anti-contraception (!), all of which adds up to someone that Hillary supporters will have a hard time with.
I dunno whether this is a smart move by McCain or not, but you rarely go wrong counting on voters to be stupid, so it may help in the end. The GOP doesn't represent Republican voters, as they're clearly not for smaller government or less government spending (see also: Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 with a vengeance), or securing America (Bush 43, again with the vengeance), but the GOP always manages to sucker the Republican populace into *believing* they are for those things by *simply* saying they are. McCain doesn't have to win over any blue states, he just needs to tip enough states that are in contention.
(3) Palin's 5th child, in the womb, was diagnosed with Downs Syndrome, but she kept him anyway.
and did she ask the child about this ? guess not. how could she, after all, s/he is in the womb yet.
let me tell you, if i was a child, i wouldnt like to be born with down syndrome, or any other kind of serious disability, and i would regret being the child of a mother who would make me live through such a tough life due to her out of touch conditioned ideas that come from some teaching from 3000 years ago from another goddamn corner of the world - middle east. yea, not 2000, 3000. it is a cultural trait of the region to repress women and use them as birthing machines not for 1000, 2000, but for over 4000 years in middle east. it only changes shape with time, adapts to modern times. they were outright despised and seen as satan at one point, and now they are repressed because 'they cant understand'. and ALL the religions out of middle east contain that characteristic.
imagine being the child of a mother who follows these ideals and puts you through a life of suffering, whereas she had the chance of NOT doing so.
why did she do that ? because GOD said it so.
where did god say it so ?
in some scripted text that is rewritten in council of nicea in 325 AD, according to byzantine emperor constantine's political wishes. (the 4 major versions of bible were compiled here, and others discredited).
great.
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I've been following Gov. Palin for more than half a year now, long before she was on the mainstream political radar. I figured that she was a stretch candidate with little chance of actually getting picked, and was quite surprised to wake up to today's news. Of course, I suspect I still might not be voting for her ticket and I disagree with her on a number of issues, but she was definitely my favorite of the potential GOP picks. She has a Cha stat rivaling Obama's, and is IMHO quite a better speaker than McCain.
Even before her pick as VP, I'd estimated that there was a good chance that the 2012 Presidential contest would be Hillary Clinton vs. Sarah Palin, which would undoubtedly result in a record number of spontaneous cranial detonations amongst the talking heads. I am worried that although she's a political rising star her pick this year might be premature, but I guess we'll see. I'm also pretty amused at the people citing her inexperience, considering that she has more experience with running a government than McCain, Obama, Biden, and Barr combined. I sympathize somewhat with those who wish that she were on the top of the GOP ticket instead of McCain.
Most pundits seem to be focused on Palin's being a woman, but I see her as a way for McCain to reach out to the libertarian crowd. One commentator described her as the "libertarian VP candidate," or at least the closest thing to a libertarian that we're likely to see on a major-party ticket: http://blogs.denverpost.com/opinion/2008/08/29/the-libertarian-vp-canidate/
Her being pro-life impacts that somewhat, but then again, so was Ron Paul. Palin's libertarian tendencies should help somewhat with voters who are worried about McCain's occasional populist streaks. Also, assuming that nothing comes out of the TrooperGate mini-scandal (which, since she survived the vetting process, I'm assuming nothing will), McCain and Palin should be able to use their histories to milk the anti-pork, anti-corruption angle quite a bit.
The next few months will be very interesting.
"Because, when Democrats run women, it's based on a long history of, y'know, actually having supported women's issues."
What "women's" issues? You mean liberal issues. You're assuming that most women are liberal and agree with those issues. In 2004 though, married women voted Republican by 2 to 1. A wedding ring on a woman's finger was a huge indicator that she was voting for Bush. The most staunch pro-life people I know are women. There's a reason why most women aren't members of feminist groups like NOW. They don't identify with "feminism". Go look at photos of the big abortions marches in Washington DC. You'll see just as many women on the pro-life side as you do on the pro-choice side.
Here's a shocking fact for you... women are just like men in that they have different ideas and different factions, different hopes and different fears. There are issues that are of interest to most women, but very few of them are owned by any one party.
Stupid assumptions like this are one reason why Republicans have won 9 out of 14 Presidential elections since 1952.
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America the worlds first empire to rise, dominate and fall without ever passing thru a golden age.
Hurry up and get to the exciting bits, like you know the running , burning and collapsing bits. This self pity phase is so dull.
Oh, so you mean she was born in a less wealthy household but managed to prove herself in order to go to an established college to learn law, spent a great deal of time overseas and has a strong understanding of the foreign experience, and has spent years in a politically dangerous city honing her skills as a practical, strong rabble-rouser?
Go ahead, keep pushing that meme. Keep saying that she's just as experienced as Obama is. Keep saying that it's all right that the Candidate of Experience (TM) just decided that if he should become indisposed then the commander-in-chief will be a woman with no foreign policy experience and spent most of her life in a state with a total population less than the city of Chicago, but it doesn't matter because Obama has less experience than she does. I'm sure that those independent voters will totally buy that meme.
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
btw, if you want to trash obama, at least think of more elaborate and intelligent ways to do it.
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"Considering that McCain has almost no chance of winning this election"
Obama, at the height of the buzz about him, could never muster more than 5 or 6 points over McCain. They've been statically tied for months for the most part. McCain was up by two in the big national polls prior to the DNC Convention. Obama will get a bounce from that, but I'll be shocked if this pick and the RNC convention doesn't erase that bounce with one for McCain, and they'll be right back, neck and neck in the race.
The GOP might have gloomy prospects in Congress, but in the Presidency? In a year when the Democratic nominee should be cruising, he's having trouble separating from a 72 year old man that's been treated for Melanoma twice. That tells me that your guy is in no way a shoo-in.
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Yup. Fire them. Start with the cop and keep going up until you get to the one who'll say "This should not happen on my watch. We'll take steps to educate people about why this is a bad thing and hopefully prevent a recurrence." A Taser is not a toy.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Who here really sees what McCain's trying to do?
A 72 year old dirty man selecting an attractive, power hungry woman desperately seeking escape from Alaska as his #2.
I guess interns aren't good enough for the ole' McCainmizter.
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I'm sure many others think this, but I think his strategy is to gather the Hillary voters....It's a bad strategy if you ask me because he simply brought her on just to win the election...which is just stupid.
I think McCain is looking at possible Hillary crossovers as a possible fringe benefit, but this was not just an attempt to attract women. This was about giving Obama the proverbial kick in the nuts by robbing him of press attention the morning after his nomination. On a day when everyone should be talking about Obama, the press is focused on McCain's Veep pick, especially since he so effectively kept the pic secret. As late as 8 or so this morning, the talking heads were still saying Romney or Pawlenty. As far as the press goes, McCain hit a home run here, and any Hillary voters picked up is just icing on the cake. The fact that he's apparently shored up the conservative base makes this pick even better.
Before this pick, you had people voting against Obama. Now you've got people voting for McCain.
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The fact that she killed Ted "Tubes" Steven's $400 million of your and my money Bridge to Nowhere immediately raises her above 95% of the other politicians out there.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
They all pander to the stupid lobby, it's their biggest constituency. /quote?
By definition half the population is below the average IQ and on the left side of the Bell curve.
Which part of that wasn't true? McCain had melanoma removed from his face (possibly the only fact journalists were able to figure out when they pawed through his 4,000+ pages of medical records for the few hours they were permitted to look).
Today is is 72nd birthday (check the news). He was a POW who was tortured, as he loves to remind us all. And we just established that some 20% of VPs become President (9 of 43).
So which part of that was untrue? Because I think your invocation of "spin doctoring" was just spin.
McCain has something to answer for here. He JUST finished arguing that this was no time for "on the job training." But here he is, bringing out someone with no experience of note (save a scandal over the firing of he sister's ex-husband) because he wants to keep the PUMA stories alive.
When will McCain finish debating himself?
I haven't, as of this posting, heard a single word out of Obama or any of his direct campaign advisors on McCain's VP pick. So I don't know how you can (yet) claim a flip flop is involved. Random yokels, be they on the Internet or on a 24 news network, do not speak for the campaign.
Actually, just in the space of a half hour there was somewhat of a "flip flop."
Around 9:30am a campaign spokesman issued the following official statement: "Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency. Governor Palin share's John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of the same."
Around 10am Obama and Biden came out with the following statement "We send our congratulations to Governor Palin and her family on her designation as the Republican nominee for vice president. Her selection is yet another encouraging sign that all barriers are falling in our politics and while we obviously have differences over how to best lead this country forward Governor Palin is an admirable person and will add a compelling new voice to this campaign."
The two statements don't necessarily contradict each other, but you have to admit they certainly have very different tones.
between this selection of a beloved Alaskan governor and the republican preoccupation with ANWAR drilling?
That doesn't make her "as pro-life as one gets". That's what pro-life advocates have to do. Can you imagine a pro-life governer having an abortion? Who would vote for her after that? I'm not saying she doesn't believe firmly that pro-life is the Right Thing, but we wouldn't be talking about her if she'd aborted that pregnancy. To me, "as pro-life as one gets" is a mother of 4 that adopts a down-syndrome fetus that would otherwise have been aborted.
Your post is almost entirely incorrect.
Evolution is, in fact, a theory. In science, facts do not exist because science can only disprove beliefs, not prove them. While scientists may point out heaps of evidence supporting this particular theory, they cannot "prove" that it is fact. Even the current majority-held idea about gravity is comprised of mere laws and theories; these things can be found to be incorrect at any time.
That's simply the nature of science.
While factual statements can also be proven incorrect, I do not believe that this is the sense that you, like most people, consider the word "fact." In your case, it appears that facts are indisputably true, which they are most certainly not in regards to science.
To sum up this post, science can only disprove things, not prove them. Please do us a favor and refrain from thinking that the scientific community's majority opinion on a subject is the end-all to its correctness.
Oh dear, I just realized I made a terrible typo:
The first paragraph should read:
'Skin color and ethnicity should not matter in an election, but Obama is half-"white American" half "Black African." While that technically makes him half African-American, he does not share the full cultural heritage that is commonly understood by the term "African-American."'
Damn.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
She said no thanks to Sen. Ted "Internet Tubes" Steven's 100 million dollar "bridge to nowhere",
Anchorage Daily News, 10/5/06: Palin Said She Supported The So-Called "Bridge To Nowhere," But Was Concerned Money "Flow" Was "Going to Slow"
Might want to revisit your history....
Nowhere in the story you link to is she quoting as saying that. The author was her budget director, and if you actually RTFA, he states that earmarks aren't a "free lunch" because of the consequences in involved, and in the following CNN article, she used the Bridge as an example of that. Sure, she'd have liked a nice, fat, free bridge, but the project would have stuck Alaska with 80 percent of the bill. So she supported killing it.
Here'a a real quote from her on the subject:
Gov. Sarah Palin said Friday the project was $329 million short of full funding.
"We will continue to look for options for Ketchikan to allow better access to the island," the Republican governor said. "The concentration is not going to be on a $400 million bridge."
Palin directed state transportation officials to find the most "fiscally responsible" alternative for access to the airport. She said the best option would be to upgrade the ferry system.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Barack Obama for all his talk about change couldn't pick a woman to run as his VP, but McCain could. So much for his bold new view of the future that encompasses all the previously marginalized social groups.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
So little experience.
So much less of the same.
I left out the very important word not. Race and ethnicity absolutely should not matter in a presidential election.
Mea culpa. Mea culpa 2^10 times over.
What does matter is his background and whether the voters are likely to make assumptions about his background based on skin color that are not necessarily true, such as assuming "he looks like me, therefore he must share my experiences" or "he does not look like me, therefore he does not share my experiences."
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
"Alaska also does not face the same challenges as other states."
No, they face challenges all their own, most of which would make residents of the lower 48 run away crying.
Oh, and they're also the only state that basically borders Russia. I'd say that presents it's own unique challenges.
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
Who better than an ex-beauty queen to deliver world peace? Now is her chance to prove that she wasn't just saying it at the pageant.
Three o'clock is always too late or too early for anything you want to do. - Jean-Paul Sartre
The future goes through Alaska. The bridge/tunnel that will be built to connect Asia/Siberia will go through Alaska. The melting Alaskan glaciers will possibly help the lower 48 from drought. The oil and gas from Alaska will provide the materials for greenhouses to grow ample future foodstock. The oil/gas/plastic will also be used to create huge "medusa bags" that will transport Alaskan fresh water south to California (not to mention carry Greenlandic water south to Africa/Sahara). TransCanada recently stated they were thinnking of spending approx $30 billion to build a pipeliine from Alaska to the lower 48. Perhaps a "double wide" railway might be built instead that can transfer both fuel and passengers/product north-south. The Alaskan motto is "North to the futre."...perhaps some politicians recognize that...
Oh you poor persecuted conservative, getting modded down for saying that everyone who supports Obama is stupid, while that evil liberal gets modded up for promoting heathen science over faith and subservience.
Wait, you got modded to 5? Could it finally be time to admit that you have an irrational persecution complex?
Earlier this afternoon my post was rated "+4, interesting". It now sits at "+1, interesting". That means that 3 people with moderator points felt that the "overrated" tag was the appropriate way to voice disagreement with a post.
Of course, if the overrated tag were subject to meta-moderation, then perhaps it wouldn't be so poorly applied for these purposes.
Though even better still would be for these cowardly members with moderator points to just fess up and state their opinions against my post, rather than cowardly applying the "overrated" tag.
Though seeing how few responses (zero so far) have been moderated up, we can see that hiding behind the "overrated" tag has more impact here.
And yes, I'm complaining. I've drifted off topic. But really, I challenge you to show how I could be wrong on my critique of this moderation.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Please mod parent up, there's NO reason for it to be modded 'Troll'.
all most people believing in creation wish to do is put both beliefs out there. But the evolutionists want the other side silenced and marginalized.
Creationism is not science, and the only way it belongs in a science class is as part of the history of science, such as Creationists tried to outlaw evolution.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
The more Obama shouts that Palin is not qualified, the more it draws attention to his total lack of experience as an executive.
Bottom line is, Americans look for executive experience in Presidents. Presidents should be people who are leaders of something. So, technically, Palin is more qualified than anyone else.
This is my sig.
You see, you can argue about Creationism. You can make very good philosophical arguments for and against Creationism in all its forms -- Intelligent Design being one of them. And you can make very good philosophical and scientific arguments for and against Evolution.
What is clear, however, is that Evolution is a scientific theory. Creationism isn't.
In other words: Right or wrong, Evolution is science. Creationism isn't. That's not an opinion, it's a fact -- by definition, "I think the Earth is six thousand years old because an old book told me so" is not science.
The only place Creationism has in a science classroom is as an object lesson of something that is not science.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
This is the failing here. The experience argument is not Obama's argument - it's McCain's argument. What are you baiting Obama into here? Into talking about experience? Two weeks ago, McCain was talking about Obama's experience. He was talking about it constantly. McCain is experienced, and Obama is not. That was his constant line. That was a central point of his theme.
Now, after the Palin pick, what changes about the McCain strategy? He still calls Obama inexperienced. He still says that he represents the best leadership.
But... what about the other side of this? For the past two weeks, Democrats have constantly said, "We respect McCain's experience, but..." before saying anything attacking him. McCain had the experience angle so locked up that no one could speak against it except to try and discredit experience as a whole. But now, suddenly, there's a very inexperienced candidate sharing the ticket with McCain. From now on, whenever McCain shouts, "Experience!" the Dems will respond, "So why is there a two-year governor on your ticket? Why is your second-in-command even younger than Obama? If you claim experience matters, then what is Palin doing on your ticket?"
This is what I cannot understand about this pick. Falling "prey" to it? What do you mean? We already were prey to it! You were winning that one! You had the experience argument locked up! You could talk about Obama's experience all day long! It's probably the number one reason McCain is so close to Obama in the polls, even though so many people favor kicking the Republicans out now!
Why in the world would you hand this to the Democrats? Why would McCain give himself a weakness like this? McCain is now no longer the solemn voice of experience! We now have the spectre that if McCain should die naturally of old age, then this woman becomes president! McCain has just weakened his own number one argument! Why in the world would he DO something like this?!
"If Obama with all of his credentials had been white?" I dunno. If McCain, with all of his credentials, had never been a POW? If he'd just fought in the war and come home? Maybe. But this, one way or another, no matter how you slice it, this is an incredible pick for VP. This woman is going to have to debate Joe Biden in the VP debates. It's unimaginable that this woman was chosen to have a strong presence in the White House after the election (whereas Biden would almost certainly help to craft policy and twist arms in the Senate). What was this woman brought in for? Could it seriously have just been because she was a woman, with no other factors considered?
You're right - a lot of the attacks used against Obama will also be used against Palin. Those attacks would have continued to be used against Obama if McCain had chosen Kay Hutchinson, or Condoleeza Rice, or even Mitt Romney. But instead, McCain chose the option that allows those attacks to also come against himself. I truly, truly want to know - who in McCain's campaign made this decision?
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
The purpose of the discussion on these topics is to promote bigotry against religious people -- especially Christians.
No, you miss the point, the point being that fundies, especially Christians, want to force their beliefs down nonbelievers throats.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
Palin's not running for the top job in the land -- Obama is. There's a huge difference.
if they're "pro choice" they're for legalizing drugs. Why is it a woman's right to remove a fetus, but not to add a drug?
I doubt many pro-choice people are pro legalized drugs as well, then again that maybe your point, they are pro-choice one place but aren't somewhere else. Personally I am pro-choice everywhere, so long as somebody does not harm another they should be able to whatever they want.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
...it's too close to zero.
Since McCain is running for the post of President for Life she would likely become the first female president of the USA.
(Personally I don't think one's sex or race makes you better or worse for the job, and making a decision, pro or con, based on one or the other is stupid).
WHY is it that when someone dislikes what someone posts, the moderator or some other person descends into "-1 Redundant" when there is no preceding time stamped posting?
I checked (in flat mode) 942 comments and NONE has even the word "palindrome" outside of the thread i caused. No one else seems to have overtly or in other ways mentioned it, either.
It would REALLY be thoughtful of the Slashdot coders to bust a cap in the ass of knee-jerk reactionaries who get discombobulated and try to bury someone under -1.
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
So you're saying that the number two spot doesn't matter? That she wasn't hired to actually do anything on the job. To say that it doesn't matter that Palin is less experienced is to say that the VP is a position with no meaning and no sway, so it doesn't matter if experience doesn't matter. It's an admission that Palin was put on the ticket for one reason - not because of her strengths, not because of what she brings to the White House, only because she's a woman. We don't expect her to actually do anything, so it's okay that she has no experience.
I repeat - if McCain, the older man with bouts with disease should fall ill to old age, then this woman becomes president. Not number two, but number one. McCain has come out and said that this woman with almost no experience is actually experienced enough to be understudy to the most powerful position in the land. McCain is either short-sighted of having delusion of immortality.
And that doesn't matter? That doesn't matter that the "Experience is Everything!" campaign just decided that experience doesn't mean squat for the NUMBER TWO POSITION in the country?! Can you imagine Palin inheriting the number one spot? Is that something that the experience-loving McCain fans would be able to handle?
Yes, we know. We know Obama is running for president. We know he's inexperienced. You keep saying that. You were saying it last month, last week, yesterday, you kept saying it. So why, why now, have you given us the least bit of ability to say it about McCain?! Why would you do that? We know what you think of Obama - why would you give us the chance to change what people think about McCain?!
This whole thing just absolutely boggles my mind! I do not for the slightest moment understand the least bit of logic behind it!
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
It's on days like this where I realize I have no idea what to expect.
All I can speak for are my initial reactions, --first impressions lasting and all:
She seems high-pitched and dippy and utterly non-threatening to male egos. Reminds me of this awesome woman I met once in Texas who was a strident supporter of women's rights but who was still twenty pounds under weight and had to be home from her pseudo-activist life-style, (teaching ballet at a girl's youth club) to get supper on the table. The rage in her was simmering around the edges of her pleasant smile and perfect lip stick, but she was too underweight and exhausted to actually break the system. Palin doesn't have that kind of fire, but the lock on her mind appears to be the same; she just can't see it. (This is first impression stuff, so I might be entirely wrong.)
Palin looks like the Republican idea of 'granting' power to women. Compared to Hillary's robust and self-realized personal strength, Palin looks like she has been allowed a watered-down, "isn't that nice, honey" brand of power in the full knowledge that the balding white alpha males they hope to put into office will get the real work done while she takes care of organizing the Tupperware parties.
I have no idea how this is all going to play out, but if I were a woman, I'd be quietly infuriated for reasons I couldn't quite explain. --Or I'd be one of those fully mind-locked prairie roses who knows her place and is thankful to my dominant male for keeping me safe and adoring my femininity or some such old-world nonsense. . .
Either way. . , this might actually be an effective move, (regardless of whether or not it was done on purpose). The image of a Norman Rockwell Mom and Pop running the country on old family values is going to have a powerful effect in the minds of many. That's my current guess. But who knows? This time next month, some other utterly unexpected horsehockey may well change the rules once again.
-FL
If a politician is unwilling to say "Religious creation stories should not be taught in public schools", I'd say they're either pandering to the creationists or they are one themselves. Either way, not somebody I'd really like to see running the place.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
McCain puts his money where his mouth (and record) is by choosing someone from way outside Washington and with a proven record of fighting the status quo.
In a science classroom, in a public school, there is no 'debate' to be had about creationism. The Supreme Court made that crystal clear years ago - creationism is religious in nature, and has no place in a public school.
(And Intelligent Design is just creationism in a lab coat.)
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
i'm a frequent conservative lurker of slashdot, and i'm ticked at the terminology in this artical... "anti-abortion" is not what they call themselves, it's "pro-life"... we don't call "pro-choice" the "pro-abortion" or "pro-death" view... :-/ am I the only conservative on slashdot?
The charity groups that are against war, the death penalty, abortion; and feed the hungry & provide shelter for the homeless... They get to use 'pro-life'.
Not just those who only want to protect the precious fetuses.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
the Vice Presidency is nothing, but it may be everything.
Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?
Let's talk about what this shows about McCain's judgment.
If McCain drops dead walking home from the Inauguration, McCain has chosen this hockey mom who doesn't even know what the duties the Vice President are, to have a young Air Force officer with a "football" walking around behind her wherever she goes for the next 3+ years.
You want bad judgment, there's McCain's bad judgment . He'd risk throwing this country in to the hands of some beauty queen Biblical literalist Alaska mayor of a town of 6000 to sit across the table from Vladimir Putin discussing Georgia... McCain would put this county at that kind of risk in order to pull a "Hail Mary" political stunt.
Looks like McCain is the one we need to be asking those questions about bad judgment.
Horizontal drilling is a red-herring and will not lessen environmental impacts. The primary impacts will come through the transport of the oil, gas, and equipment in and out of the region and from the potential of oil spills. Although the Supreme court being the political animal it has become now packed with conservatives who give big business whatever they ask for, an oil spill as occurred in Prince William Sound with the grounding of the Exon Valdez produced environmental destruction that still plagues the Sound. The Marine Biology on this is pretty clear it will take centuries to recover from an oil spill in the high arctic. Citing a host of pro-oil/gas exploration websites hardly makes for good science.
Don't even try to compare this Alaska beauty queen mayor of a town of 6000 with Obama.
Don't EVEN go there.
Let's start talking about McCain's judgement. McCain thinks if he dies, Sarah Palin should be sitting across a negotiations table from Vladimir Putin discussing Georgia.
According to multiple sources, the average life expectancy in the USA is 77 years (different sources differ by less than a year).
According to the National Center for Health Statistics's data from 2002, you have roughly a 75% chance of surviving to age 70, 65% chance of surviving to 75 and 52% chance of surviving to 80. In other words, between 75 and 80, your odds of surviving drop by between 2 and 3% per year. Not to be ignored. On the other hand, McCain would still have a slightly better than average chance of making it through his presidency, which could not be described as "vanishingly small". However, if you like McCain, but you don't like the idea of Palin being President, and you vote for McCain you are kind of, well, tossing a coin...
Of course, what stands in his favour is that he's a wealthy white man who, if he became Commander-in-Chief of the world's most powerful nation, would have a lot of people interested in keeping him healthy. What stands against him is he's had Stage II Malignant Melanoma. This doesn't doom him, by any measure, but he stands something like a 14% chance of recurrence, and a 9% chance of death, just going by the numbers.
Rgasuya aata! : I have been coding Perl and cannot tell where my fingers are now!
When you look at Sarah Palin's resume, this scandal is the only thing on it.
Mayor of town of 6000, fell into the Governor's Mansion due to luck making her the only Republican public official in the Alaska Republican Party that wasn't under indictment. In a year and a half as governor, she's already managed to get in a scandal herself.
First, if McCain had chosen Romney, he would have greatly pleased fiscal conservatives and proven that he could mend ties in the fractured Republican party. If he had chosen Kay Hutchinson, he would have just as well "energized his base" in proving that he could pick an interesting VP, but would have avoided the experience issue. Why he chose Palin when he had other choices that didn't carry such a negative connotation is mind-boggling.
Number two - there are two kinds of "disgruntled Clinton voters." The first kind are the ones who were Republican in the last election, who switched tickets to try and vote her into office, and who are going back to the Republican side now that she's lost. He already has these women, and they aren't all that much. The other group of Clinton voters are liberals, and if you're telling me that a woman with 2% of Clinton's experience and passion with completely opposing views on liberal issues is going to somehow steal back Clinton voters... Yeah, there may be a few, but if you wanted Clinton voters that badly, KAY HUTCHINSON.
This is the other incredible argument here - that just putting a woman on his ticket means that he appeals to Clinton voters. This is, quite brutally, a sexist argument. It is the belief that women will vote for another woman, no matter what their issues are. It is a belief that the women who voted for Clinton will turn around and vote for another woman with completely opposite beliefs, that they cared nothing about Clinton's policies and only about her gender. It is the belief that Clinton's voters were shallow and stupid. It is a thinly disguised sexist argument.
Libertarians somehow believe that private businesses should be stronger than governments but weaker than individuals.
I was reminded of that mess with Harriet Miers. This also looks like it might be one of those gifts that keeps on giving.
35 women have served in the United States Senate. Care to take a guess as to how many black senators have preceded Obama? Only four.
Be careful about getting too dogmatic about the heliocentric view...
Scientifically, there is nothing inherently wrong with the geocentric view. It is an issue of where you want to establish your datum. (zero point.) The main advantage if the heliocentric view is simpler math.
From a larger perspective, the solar system also orbits the center of the Milky Way. (Stupid heliocentrists. ;-)
If you really want to split hairs, find the center of the universe and establish your datum there.
Datums are established by politics and convention.
In the end, the debate is not about science or even religion. It is about politics.
It's almost like I'm reading an argument between two Republican talking points.
When you say she "That would explain why she cancelled his infamous Bridge to Nowhere" - I take it you mean that she supported it until it was clear that Alaska would actually have to pay for some of it?
Oh yeah, and she still took the money.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20908207/
The real question is: Underneath all those clothes and that frumpy appearance and rumpled hair-- is she hot? How long will it take the dupe-squad to photoshop her into all sorts of compromising positions? (Assuming they haven't done it already) Who cares how well she can run the country if she looks good starkers holding a martini and a smile...! And did you see McCain? He just stood there totally still (or else he might have been asleep, I'm not really sure which) with a look on his face like "... and she can COOK too!"
Seriously though-- I don't care whether a candidate is male, female, pink or purple-- but I do care when they prop somebody up just because of their gender or race. This was a stupid move on the part of the republicans. Did you hear she's ALREADY got a scandal brewing??? How's that for a time-saver? Why wait until she's elected, just go ahead and get it out there now.
They're renaming the GOP Convention now to the "Palin-Drome".... get it? :)
They obviously have their own agenda, but the Defenders of Wildlife Fund was quick to point out some of Ms Palin's actions are quite friendly to the oil companies and their interests:
"Sarah Palin, whose husband works for BP, has repeatedly put special interests first when it comes to the environment. In her scant two years as governor, she has lobbied aggressively to open up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling, pushed for more drilling off of Alaska's coasts, and put special interests above science. Ms. Palin has made it clear through her actions that she is unwilling to do even as much as the Bush administration to address the impacts of global warming. Her most recent effort has been to sue the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to remove the polar bear from the endangered species list, putting Big Oil before sound science. As unbelievable as this may sound, this actually puts her to the right of the Bush administration."
So I guess Elizabeth Dole said no. After all, she couldn't possibly have been behind Gov. Palin on the short list, could she?
I think he's lost his mind. This is like Harriet Miers all over again.
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You're absolutely right, it was her decision. The only problem is that if she thinks that what was *her* decision should be *law*.
I don't know the details and I could be wrong but most "regular pro-lifers" what to make abortion illegal and the real hardcore ones - like Palin is described - what to extend the ban to non-life threatening malformation and rape (well, they are at least coherent).
Now see here...
I've read that over twice now and I can't see how its shows any knowledge of the position?
She wants to be told what she'd do as VP to be able to answer whether or not she could do the job? Lovely.
I'm sorry, but I can't read that as saying anything except that she's not sure what the VP job would entail.
Wait, how can someone who is supposedly a libertarian believe in the banning of abortion, unless they aren't actually a libertarian at all?
Unfortunately, and though I wish it weren't true, though the party platform is such that government should stay out of abortion there are some Libertarians who are pro-life.. Libertarians for Life for instance oppose abortions. Like they, whoever they is, used to say about the Republican Party the Libertarian Party is a big tent.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
. . . It was a pun.
I am not a crackpot.
but it looks like she beat out Romney in the swimsuit competition.
we're now going to have either the first African-American or the first female VP. After eight years of crap, BOY am I glad to see those far right idiots take a sucker punch to the chin. Too bad it won't be a knockout punch for another few hundred years or so, but every little bit helps.
And for all McCain's talk campaigning trying to win back the far right for the election, I remember his "agents of intolerance" comments and his reputation as a maverick. The far right already lost this election when McCain's nomination was decided, and I think they know it.
When I saw the news breaking on CNN, I had major deja vu. So, I thought, "Where have I seen this before?" It was bugging me the whole day.
Then I remembered.
Can she spell " tator "???
Wikipedia states her as a Pentecostal, former pageant queen, baby maker super Mom. Married her high school sweet heart.
The story is too good to be true. She must be ruthless to anyone who gets in her way.
Over 1100 comments. Seems the Obama disciples on Slashdot are out in force as well as the leftists moderators.
Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE and Taiwan.
Marc Rich's ex-wife (cash for pardons).
And apparently some charities forwarded their donors' money to the library.
And some people and companies trying to get out of legal trouble.
Rich guy Frank Giustra donated $31 million after Clinton cinched a big uranium deal for him in Kazakhstan.
A good Alaska based blog that contains the details of the Wootengate scandal:
http://www.andrewhalcro.com
And what are IDers investigating, what experiments do they conduct? All ID is is an attempt to make creationism look like science.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
The funny thing is, pro-choice isn't really the opposition of pro-life. I'd like to see what all those pro-lifers will think when somebody suggests that everyone should be forced to abort every pregnacy. Bet they'll value their ability to choose a little more then.
Now, that one would be interesting to try to enforce ;-)
Well, the teaching of evolution. That's what the Scopes Trial in 1925 was all about. Tennessee passed a law outlawing the teaching of evolution in state-funded educational establishments. A high school teacher, John Scopes, did precisely that, taught evolution in his class and he was charged and put on trial for that.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
Creationism is a philosophy of ignorance. Ignorance has no place in a class dedicated to discovery.
Evolution:
Intelligent Design:
No recent discoveries, no predictions, no evidence, no tests that we can perform on it.
The roots of Intelligent Design mostly point to Michael Behe, a biochemist. What did he discover? Nothing. He looked at the discoveries of others, gave them a cursory analysis, and declared that God must have done it. Do discoveries, no predictions, and as far as he is concerned no falsifiability tests. God did it. That's final.
Then some folks actually took a look, discovered that the structures Behe asserted were irreducibly complex in fact were easily reducible. Any retraction from Behe? No. He had made up his mind, and no evidence to the contrary will sway him.
So I quote again, "Science is a philosophy of discovery. Creationism is a philosophy of ignorance." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
- I don't need to go outside, my CRT tan'll do me just fine.
And this is what bigotry is like, right here. There's the slur. Then there's the false accusation of force and the invention of vaguely-defined victims.
No, what is bigotry is having a public school teacher forcibly apply a ruler to a student's hand or arm when they do not say "under god" when they recite the Pledge of Alliance.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
Democrats were in charge of nothing. Did everything work out for the better? No. Increased government corruption, two failed wars, erosion of civil liberties, and the laundry list keeps going.
And McCain voted with Bush more than 90% of the time.
Yeah, I'd call their supporters The Stupid Lobby. Doing the same thing and expecting a difference result is stupid.
If Obama is elected, Congress remains Democratic, and things get worse, then you can say I told you so. As it stands right now, The Republicans have no leg to stand on when challenged for being inept.
- I don't need to go outside, my CRT tan'll do me just fine.
Because Hillary's supporters will jump at an opportunity to make sure the first woman in the White House is an inexperienced, decorative, poorly educated religious extremist, chosen only because she's a she? What idiot thought that would work?
This is an act of cunning and desperation. John McCain has been watching too much MSNBC and Fox.
His decision is more sexist than any of Obama's perceived slights against Hillary Clinton. McCain actually believes that just because Palin is a woman, all of Hillary's followers will jump on his bandwagon.
This confirms what a disaster a McCain presidency would be.
Gov. Palin's nomination is an outrageous insult to her, too. McCain is literally whoring Palin out for votes from misguided women and religious right-wingers.
That Palin accepted McCain as her pimp confirms her naivete and lack of qualification for the job.
It is also an insult to the office of the Presidency of the United States. It shows such a lack of respect for what the Presidency used to represent that I am rendered speechless.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, in this single act, McCain has truly exceeded the combined gall of every destructive act committed by the Bush Administration during the last eight years.
If McCain and Palin are elected in November, the United States of America will never recover.
I suppose we should not be surprised - this is the same guy who dumped his sick wife for a rich younger model.
The "fair and balanced" media will give us their version of "both sides" of this story. The dutiful red-state rednecks will fall in line like good little sheeple, all the way to the slaughter.
Hey, she looks good on a snowmobile. Maybe she can drive the pace car at the NASCAR finals.
God help us all...
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Ok. I just picked your post at random to decide to respond to. I also got tired of scrolling.
Leave it to /. to turn a thread about a VP candidate into a full-blown debate on creationism vs. evolution. Seriously. I think you were all fucking hypnotised by the beauty queen pics I know you all googled the moment you heard about them.
Now can someone tell me how far to scroll down to get back on track?
Sheesh.
*scrolls through another 30-40 totally off-track Creationist vs. Evolution debate posts*
Biden is a giant in my opinion. I abs loved listening to the torrent of +5 insightful comments spewed during countless foreign relations committee hearings chaired by the man.
Just recently learned about Joes affinity for trampling on rights and privacy. Something I hope is more overblown than popularly reported or I'll have to make downward adjustments to my opinion of him.
McCain is old, crabby and not too bright in my estimation. I just can't shake the feeling he is inclined to carry the preemption torch continuing our current presidents mission of totally fucking up the world.
Palin I hear is a bible thumper who has a child with down syndrome.. Hello WTF do you expect having a kid in your 40's?!
She carried the child to term and put it up for adoption.
She wasn't willing to kill her own baby, regardless of whichever piece of shit the father was. But she refuses to force other women to make the same decision she finally reached.
Yes, she's pro-choice AND pro-life.
hanzie.
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The last paragraph of your post appears almost verbatim in a forum post elsewhere.
I would like to know what's going on here - obviously somebody is copying statements around, possibly from some other, earlier source. The same thing happened in this Slashdot post and the same forum I linked to above.
I want to understand what's going on, because it clearly looks fishy.
A scientific theory can be tested for falsity. If it continually passes tests, it's 'useful' and eventually becomes 'law'. If it doesn't pass any test, it gets modified or scrapped.
Creationism has hypotheses that can be disproven.
Experimentally verify any of the following hypotheses as false, and you've falsified creationism.
Come on, I can't be the only one to have come up with this. The scientific method can be applied to the Bible. All of the above are directly derived from the old testament. All these hypotheses are experimentally testable for falsity.
A scientific theory is something that has the possibility of being tested false. That's science. Creationism is a scientific theory, just like the spontaneous generation of germs and rats.
I'd love to see this covered in schools.
Oh baby, YES, I want this debate in schools!
hanzie
P.S.
This doesn't test for the existence of God, just creation theory. Testing the theory of God's existence is outside the scope of this article.
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/. has become overrun with Republican nationalists. Strange.
Don't forget to save your semen stained shirt.
Chuckle.
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It is not even funny that there are people out there still arguing about this.
Our knowledge about vaccination, antibiotics, genetically modified crops and pure dog breeds are firmly based in the fact that species evolve by natural selection.
This is something observable today, I will not even touch the fossil record since some people don't have the mental capacity to understand why this is fact as well.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
... this debate would have been over long time ago.
A lot of religious people consider a human is such from the moment of conception, so your simplistic argument is far from reality (deplorably I have to add, religious nuts should not be influencing policy in a secular democracy).
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
No, she's pro-choice. To be "pro-life" in the context of American politics means she would force that decision on other women.
Exercising your right to choose not to have an abortion does not make you pro-life.
The ideological differences between both women will have the opposite effect: concentrate the minds of Mrs Clinton supporters, they will realize that a conservative, reactionary woman is not necessarily fighting the cause that Mrs Clinton was fighting for.
Or at least that is my hope.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Not governing a minor US state, not being a legislator.
At the end a politician aiming for such a job will make his intents known and then will gather a team around him to deliver.
The advantage in the experience stakes between this lady and Obama is so minimal that is splitting hairs to even talk about it frankly.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Indian civilization as well as the Mayan and Aztecs would have laughed at the idea of a world 6000 years old.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Yes, we are all for loving relationships and self esteem,
When that fails a woman should be able to decide if she wants to stop a pregnancy in proper sanitary conditions without the obstruction of Christian Talibans.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
When I show how corrupt Clinton is, liberals like to show corruption in the Republican party as if it were some kind of counter, some excuse, for Clinton's corruption.
The tactic might actually have some validity if I were a Republican, but I am not.
Liberals like to think Clinton was a saint, and it's fun to disabuse them of that idea. You already know the Bush clan isn't clean because your ideology led you to discover that, and the news sources that feed your your positions have told you, so I don't have to go over that side.
In addition I am very concerned that Ms. Palin looks a lot like my ex. That can't be good.
The last two elections were very close, and Mr. Bush came into office both times because of technical details in the way the system worked; which is not fraud.
In 2000, Mr. Clinton's personal antics and his success at actually passing NAFTA made him a weak asset, and a lot of people didn't care about the president in the final months before the dot-com crash, when everything looked cheery.
In 2004, the Democratic primary produced a candidate who actually looked a lot like the sitting president. Perhaps a some voters thought it was better to leave Mr. Bush in office for four more years and let him dig his hole deeper, and then vote for real change. The biggest sins of the Bush administration are the detainments at GuantÃnamo bay, the over-zealousness to perform military action in Iraq (I won't call it "going to war" because we already had the no-fly zone, the embargo, etc.), and the sudden selective enforcement of immigration laws instead of giving time and real effort to a logical reform and legalization effort.
I supported Mr. McCain in the republican primary in Michigan; but I've since decided that I supported him only because he was the candidate most like Mr. Obama. I'm still glad McCain is running, however, because it will make the debates more interesting. I hope a lot of people watch the debates.
"Now there's a wave of destruction that's easy on the eyes!"
Life would be easier if I had the source code.
Obama is not my man and wont get my vote, but McCain will lose this election by the greatest landslide since
Barry Goldwater.
resist propaganda
I dunno, Italy and many other countries with PR seem to manage OK, economically and socially speaking.
Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it.
I notice that you're currently sitting at +5, Interesting.
Well, there's certainly a bias toward endless whining about bias. It seems oddly familiar--sort of like those wacky all-powerful liberals who are the secret masters of this world, despite spending the last eight years either out of power or chasing after the ruling party's coattails.
Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca
The same people who are complaining about Palin and creationism are the same people who voted for the No Child Left Behind Act. By once again moving power away from the states and into the Federal Gov't you made her a threat (to you). The Irony.
So are we now going to penalize women for taking a slower career route while they also have a family? I seem to recall this is the perennial argument that parallels the equal-pay equal-work argument. So what if someone doesn't the exact experience as another person, does that make the person less qualified for a particular high-level job (which in the public sector would merit higher pay)?
('Cuz I loved it!)
Apparently WOW and Google have stricken the thread from the record.
Their they're doing there hair.
Sorry, but you're already surrendered if you're comparing the (D) Presidential candidate with the (R) Vice Presidential candidate.
Obama has to stand up to McCain on the experience thing and he fails miserably there.
Biden has to stand next to Palin and again fails miserably for anyone looking for change.
-- (I) voter very impressed with McCain's choice
Do you honestly think that we should be teaching creationism in science class?
I'm just thrilled that we teach anything at all in our public schools.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
And a religious fanatic to boot. I'd have voted for Baltar over her.
Of course Tom Zarek was always my first choice...
To realize how irresponsible, desperate, and cynical this pick was, all you have to do is imagine the reaction if the roles were reversed, and it was the Democrat ticket that did this. Their campaign would be over instantly, as it would be correctly viewed as absurdly bad judgment unworthy of a Presidential candidate.
And to put into perspective how outrageously irresponsible McCain is being with the welfare of our country and its citizens, these are the qualifications of the person he is putting a 72 year-old heartbeat from the presidency:
- Her "mayor" credentials were for a town of about 6000 people. That is smaller than the town where I went to high school (which had about 350 students), and we were viewed as the hicks-in-the-sticks school.
- Her only meaningful government experience is less than two years of being governor of a state of 650,000 people (about 1/5 of the *city* I live in), which has never had any real economic challenges.
She has zero foreign policy experience. Zero experience outside Alaska, which is a state that practically runs itself, since 80% of its revenue comes from a single industry. Her social views are at the extreme end of the right (she even opposes abortion in cases of rape and incest).
And perhaps nothing demonstrates how unqualified and inexperienced she is --and how cynical and desperate the pick was --than the fact that McCain had never bothered to meet this person he claims is ready to be president until a few hours before the announcement was made.
However, because conservatives are willfully blind to the Republicans party's glaring dishonesty, incompetence, and corruption, they almost universally view this horribly irresponsible Hail Mary as a wonderful development.
Until the Republican party is brutally punished at the polls, they will never change, and the country will continue to suffer.
I don't recall.
When did this occur?
In the late '60s or early '70s.
Was there a police report filed?
Police report? Like someone who's in elementary school would know to file a police report.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
It should be noted that one seldom has the opportunity to to wear comfortable formfitting cold weather clothes unless one is willing to spend a lot more money to do so. Given Palin's locale, it would make sense that she seldom wears form fitting clothes.
Forensics is about law courts and medical knowledge used in legal matters or police investigations. SETI is about searching for extraterrestrial intelligence. With evolution creating life on earth I'd say it's highly unlikely out of billions of billions of stars in the universe there isn't another planet orbiting another star where life didn't evolve as well. As Jodie Foster's character in "Contact" says "That's an awful waste of space."
Are you counter-claiming that these disciplines do not employ testable and falsifiable hypotheses to detect evidence of intelligent tampering?
No, they are testable and falsifiable. I'll also admit that a supreme being might just might be testable and falsifiable. But I have no idea how it can be done such that someone can't twist any results around to say whatever they want.
Again, I said all this in my original post, so please respond to this specific point.
Can you show me anywhere in this thread you said anything about forensics or SETI? This is the first tyme I recall reading either one. As for points 1 and 2 I did answer those. I even included them when I answered.
You might be able to argue that archaeology, at least to some degree, is not founded on falsificationism
Actually no, I wouldn't say archeology isn't falsifiable. For instance some archaeologists have argued the Clovis people in North America were the first humans in the Americas. However Monte Verde on the southern tip of Chile predates Clovis thus falsifying Clovis. Monte Verde even predates the land bridge between Russia and Alaska thus falsifying the notion the first people in the Americas crossed the land bridge.
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
She has more executive experience in her pinky finger then Obama does
So by wingnut logic, someone who's been a manager of a local Burger King for six years is fit to suddenly serve as a top executive at a Fortune 100 company, because she has "executive experience." You're spouting a phenomenally stupid Republican talking point, but then, I repeat myself.
You know the one where he served along with Weather Underground Terrorist William Ayers?
You really want to play the Associations Game? How about we start with Gordon Liddy, who advised people to shoot federal agents in the head because they might wear body armor? Good buddies with McCain. And how about all the Republicans Ayers has worked with, like the governor of South Carolina?
Recorded history to me means what people write, not fossils.
Who's evading? I don't recall you saying once that recorded history was what people wrote. To me as far as history is concerned what's recorded is what's recorded no matter how it is recorded. Notice I didn't say "human history" I said history without qualifications, which "human" is.
Why should primates evolve into homo sapiens? Because that's what evolutionary theory said happened.
And history says primates can only evolve into humans? Or does history say thy can evolve into more than just humans?
So why would that process suddenly stop?
Who said it stopped? I don't recall but I'm pretty sure I didn't. Actually I believe humans are still evolving. Though I couldn't find it on /. I have said humans are still evolving. For instance I said because the SRI gene on the Y chromosome, which makes males male, is degenerating possibly the only hope for the survival of humans are intersexuals people who either have an ambiguous sex organs or have organs for both male and female.
You guys are all about testability and detecting false data - so answer the damn question. Why did the process stop?
See above.
And bodies don't last?
I guess you missed where I said a body would not last very long in the Everglades. Climate has a big impact on whether fossils will be preserved or not. I've got to say that if you didn't know that then your knowledge of science is poor, you don't know much about climatology, and I have no idea how you got a degree in engineering, if in fact you did.
Bye
Falcon
Should there be a Law?
The Republican 'Experience' is that they got us into a war we didn't need to be in, funded with money we didn't have, fought with troops that were better off elsewhere, in order to dethrone a dictator that was no threat, and disarm him of weapons *he* didn't have,
Eventually, after three years of this, John McCain and others turned out to be right in that adding more troops could act as a stopgap in the increasing violence, rather like dealing with the fact that you stuck your hand in a blender by shoving it the rest of the way in and hoping it can't actually chew up your entire forearm.
But hey - the good news is he's right - for a time, we've managed to choke up the blender.
That still means . . .
A) Our hand is in a fucking blender up to our forearm.
B) The current plan is to *keep* it there.
C) The GOP strategy is still to dismiss anyone that thought sticking your hand in a blender looked like a stupid idea as 'inexperienced' - as if no-one could *really* realize that sticking your hand in a blender was a bad idea without doing it themselves.
and
D) The Democratic plan is still to turn off the damn blender.
So hey - if you're in favor of the 'experience' of sticking your hand into a blender, you go ahead and vote McCain. I don't vote for 'experienced' people whose experience is based on experiencing things simple good sense and situational awareness could've avoided.
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An Invisible Entity of Vast Power whose existence must be taken on faith alone: Liberal Media
This is all fine and good, but what about their celebrity contraction? Like Branjelina, like Bennifer. What'll it be for America's hottest out-of-wedlock celeb twosome? Some ideas, and some conclusions on http://reallyoldman.livejournal.com/27910.html
The fact that she killed Ted "Tubes" Steven's $400 million of your and my money Bridge to Nowhere
Only when it became apparent that Alaska would have to spend money on the project as well.
He's rich enough for that. What matters he paid for his pardon which allowed him back in the US and kept him out of prison. I can do even worse for GW Bush. He released murderous anti-Castro terrorist Orlando Bosch to help Jeb get in good with the Cuban community in Miami. He pardoned Armand Hammer after some big contributions. He pardoned a high-volume Pakistani heroin trafficker.
Standard Democrat tactic. Revert to ad hominem when hit with the truth of your own corruption.
Again, I am not a Republican. Just like above I believe I can come up with more examples of their corruption than you. But unlike you I won't make excuses for their corruption or try to distract from it because I'm not so far up the DNC's ass I can see donkey teeth.
Catching and publicizing corruption is a good thing. Turning a blind eye to it because it's in your own party is pathetic.
Q: Which of the four candidates has the most experience as a government executive?
A: Palin, two years governor vs. absolutely none for Obama, Biden or McCain.
She only said the "not part of the curriculum" and "no litmus test" stuff after there was a backlash against her mentioning it in the debates. During the debate, her exact wording was: "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."
Do you honestly think that we should be teaching creationism in science class?
As long as they teach about the Flying Spaghetti Monster at the same time, I'm okay with them teaching Creationism. Maybe then they'll realize how ridiculous their religious dogma is.
to mod down people. because many idiots are using legitimate looking excuses to mod down views they dont agree with.
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http://www.adn.com/monegan/story/492964.html
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great attempt in being an ignorant fool.
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before voicing any opinions, first get some social manners and respect for others' views, so that you wont put forth contradictions by calling others 'piece of shit' while working for charity for people with down's syndrome.
see, now you wont be getting any response to your ramblings about how this is like that and that is like something else, and down syndrome and whatnot, because you lost the rights to be taken into account.
now go shove your bad manners and your half assed opinion in your butt.
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i said I. me, as in first person.
i said I wouldnt want to be born with down syndrome, and i still wouldnt.
and i assure you, there would be many people who would prefer not to be born with a disability rather than born with them.
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a law that legalizes abuse cant be an excuse to abuse.
as an example, 300 years ago slavery was legal, but that didnt make it any moral.
then again the people of those times have an excuse - they didnt know any better, the entire human civilization's understanding was just at that point.
but we are in 2008. we have much higher moral understanding as of now. and NOT firing anyone because of their views, beliefs or race, sex or gender is one of them.
if someone lack the morals to abuse something because law allows it, then same person lacks the morals to abuse anything that is allowed.
on the either hand, if she is as stupid or as mentally incapable or ignorant to the extent that she is not able to discern something is immoral, i cant find anything to say.
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holy crap, batman. how does this always turn into an argument about how right or wrong creationism is compared to evolution?
may i remind you sheeple, evolution is still a theory. anybody who believes everything you're read... whether it be "science" or religion, is just as naive as the one on the other side of the fence.
anyone who flings their crap first and claims the other party is made of complete idiots because "their feeble minds can't possibly understand something that my intelligent, informed brain can" is the biggest fool of them all.
holy crap. just shut up already... besides, what on earth difference does it make when it comes to a VP? it's not like she's going to force creationism to replace your precious evolution THEORY on the schools.
simmer.
Yes, the neocons put a Dominionist in as a VP pick.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/08/be_afraid_1.php
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/163234/559/495/579213
http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain10.htm
Joel's army will purge the earth (the cleansing) of all wickedness and rebellion and even judge the apostate Church (which is those who do not join their fraternity of miracle workers).
The desire for heavenly things has faded out, and Restorationist Christians no longer "look up". They look around them and consider how to transform the world and rule over it. When Christ comes back they will hand over a Christian earth.
Interesting indeed...
Am i the only one who thinks Palin is "Stacy's Mom"??? I mean look at her! At 44 she's HOT!
McCain sure has an eye for the ladies... yessire...
"Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
Q: Does the sun move?
A: There is absolutely nothing that does not move. The sun is moving at an amazing velocity around the center of the Milky Way galaxy (~2.20Ã--105 m/s), and the galaxy itself is moving relative to other galaxies. See related links.
==Alternate answer==
There is no absolute motion, we can only tell if something is moving and at what speed *relative* to another object.
For instance, lets say only one thing existed in the universe, a single particle. How could you tell how fast it was moving? Or if it was moving at all?You couldn't. But if another particle exists, and it moves towards or away from the first one, you can measure how fast it is going relative to the first particle. But for all you know both could be going a thousand miles an hour and one could be "gaining" on the other, there is no way to know for sure.