You're right, it's pathetic. It should detect stupidity like those quotes and reject them upfront instead of mis-displaying them, or I mean, displaying them the way one dictatorial opsys insists is the one true way.
Agree almost 100%, until you try and use VBA on a DB on linux - the most popular big production opsys. Then we use...it depends but perl is easier for me.
Burn mod points or point out that this is a fad, there are other glue languages that work fine, and even make it far easier to optimize just the part you want into some inline::C or inline:your_language_of_choice.
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Due to some half decent grunt work done in python for the things it's fine for - say device drivers for slow stuff on a raspberry pi - and the difficulty refactoring one loosely typed language into another with slightly different rules, particularly where bit-fiddling is involved, I've recently written several programs using all of perl, python, and C. No sweat with "use Inline"....
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The only issues I've had is poor python drivers where instead of checking a ready bit, the easy fractional sleep was used, making it utterly non portable even on the same machine (since perl's inline compiles python - while the sleeps are the same speed, the rest is now faster than native and oops, not ready....).
Your basic "earnest beginner" mistake, tuning the sleep to go as fast as it would in testing, rather than actually doing the work to do it properly. Some languages attract beginners, and those are also the ones with the most google or stack overflow or whatever - searrches. The popularity, or how good a language is, might be better measured some other way. You could make the case that the more questions, the goofier the language, after all.
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Yeah, I know,,it's popular to diss perl for many of the same reasons - people too easily impressed with their own cleverness looking for job security by writing impossible to read code is blamed on the language, which would actually apply well to almost any of them. But you don't have to write bad or hard to read code. I've had people ask me what C(++) syntatic sugar templates I'm using to make my code so clear. I'm writing for myself and the poor maintainer who'll have to look after it later is me. I like me...so I make it easy. Freedom is always a doubled edged deal.
The ACs and trolls here don't want facts, man - they even think they know what's going to happen. I guess mom's basement plus gov astroturfing incentives are pretty loud on this one. .
There sure is a lot of bitterness out there from the people whose misdeeds he's revealed, and it seems they really, really want to "get even" though it will make them look even worse to those of us who are paying attention to anything like truth. And as if it'd make us forget their original misdeeds. .
Anti-virtue signalling by those who want to deter any future entities who would reveal their wrongdoing?
You know it's always a lie -taxes, fines, whatever - the pols always say we're going to punish/tax that other guy to get the stuff to give you, all fair like - but in reality, there is no "other guy" - it's we who pay, every single time. So if Google loses revenue and has to charge for android to make up for it, who pays? Only the EU citizens? Don't make me laugh...So many people have zero clue how the world works in reality. As it said in the hitchiker's guide (to paraphrase): The government is only there to distract attention away from the real power...and get a slice of the action along the way. How come these guys always stay in office forever and always retire rich on otherwise-crap pay? Work it out, people.
This is not partisan...
Pulse broke audio *again* on raspberry pi 3 b+ and they took it out of the distro - adding it back breaks it all again. But ALSA - if you work it out right, can still mix two sources, which is all I needed. I have a pi doing homestead database, security cam, background radio, and audio alerts on various events sent over the wire from other pies or ESP machine around the place. So it just had to be able to play a.mp3 or.flac while VLC was busy playing background music and I'm happy again...sadly, raspian still has systemd and all the issues of that.
The reduced reliability of booting and shutting down in a network with a lot of things shared/talking to one another is VERY NOTICEABLE with systemd, no matter which workaround you look up and find that actually works - which will only be a fraction of those on the 'net because of so many changes after it was more or less forced on us. Like pulse, cult of personality got it into "production" long before it was ready - again.
Oxymoron spotted. "Kernal"b = look it up. The central, essence, core part of something. I don't mind say, a scheduler or a driver or an app being "monolithic" as they do...one thing and do it well. Systemd on the other hand -tries to do everything and does most of it poorly. Further it breaks some things such that if say, something is mounted remote but can't be unmounted due to a bad connection or the thing being down, it takes many minutes to remotely reboot - if at all. So if your machine is in a place you have to drive to - or crawl through a tunnel to, or be exposed to radiation in, you got trouble right here in system city.
I've been a prime member since 2010. Almost without fail, one item will have auto-selected "overnight" at extreme cost, instead of defaulting to the free 2 day delivery (which is becoming a joke as they add drop shippers who aren't that slick). Anyone who uses Alexa or one click ordering probably never gets a chance to switch back to WHAT YOU ALREADY PAID FOR. I've seen 30-$60 "overnight" rates on $5 junk added to an otherwise $100 order. Watch your back.
There isn't always a local CU around, depends on where you live - I live in some very population-sparse boonies. Thank heavens for a local bank I've been using since around 1980. They've merged with others a few times - but those others were also small-town, small banks and the net size of the bank isn't a fart in the wind compared to the ones everyone knows about. They know their customers by name, low turnover, treat us well...I think size might matter as just another parameter to consider. Around places like these small towns, reputation matters a lot, and is a restraining force on anyone who would aspire to con anyone else - there's simply no place to hide....it's not like the world of bigcity where you can just go a block away to full anonymity and screw someone else...
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I don't borrow money, so I don't care that rates are redonkulous no matter where you go these days. Given the reserve rate it looks like spreads are super high just now, and for the past while. Lucky, I don't care.
Oh, I don't use the widely disparaged as incompetent NHS, don't live on that side of the pond. There's financial corruption and incompetence, which is also corruption (fraud) if you claim to know what your're doing. .
I know docs seek help on the hard ones. They have plenty of resources to contact, often in the same building. .
Just because someone says a source is great, doesn't make it great. The correlation is negative if in fact their paycheck comes from that source - the case here. .
Yes, I'm aware of the effect of knowing one field and being a bozo in another. Not the case here. .
When a doc has a puzzling case, I think it's good if they take the specifics into account as well as use their judgement about whether the patient can reliably relate symptom information - which varies all over as you know if you've done support of any sort. I happen to be a 6' 123 lb person with metabolic issues quite a bit different than most of the data that includes the "whales of wallmart" which skews the data a doctor gets FAR from what fits my case....if you have any sort of relatively rare issue, the value of a big set of unrelated cases quickly becomes zero - or negative. .
What obviously triggered this story was reports by people losing their jobs, not reports from the users... What would you expect the spin to look like?
An apologist, I see. Good for you and your use case. I don't care what your benchmarks say on your config, I have my own. Did it occur to you that the corner cases handled poorly by systemd might vary from setup to setup, or to read my multiply stated contention that it's good for one big deployment of the same thing, but horrible for those who customize machine by machine (eg not RH's $upport income providers)? Evidently not. .
Work on the problem BEFORE you release something that'll be shoved down my throat and break things, please. Arrogant much? .
Why should I have to write different error detection and fallback code every release of this crap? .
No, it doesn't boot the console for me when a share (for example a NAS) didn't come up in time. It just hangs for quite some time, then fails (which is all it can do).
If it did go to console it'd be kind of a mess for a physically hard to get to headless box (say a raspberry pi in the fusion lab). .
Learning a single command? I count at least systemctl, journalctl, a few new directory layouts for service spec files, the formats of those which vary between some daemons and some mounts and it seems, on and on. As for a single command, I'd bet you can't even quote what all the options to rsync do...or know every file spec you'd put into it to backup a config without just doing every file on the box and failing because of the odd special file. Give me a break, single command.
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Hint - I've been programming longer than IC's and most modern languages have existed- from the metal on up, including realtime embedded opsys when necessary as they didn't exist yet. These are the complaints of a newbie who only knows one system or language.
They don't hate systemd because they haven't tried to do anything out of the ordinary that used to work fine and is now broken. If you're using linux as a chromebook and text editor it's probably fine.
Data acquisition/analysis, it's a joke, it breaks everything.
SysVInit worked fine for me, and no it doesn't boot slower. See what systemD does if you've got stuff waiting for network and for whatever reason there's no network or it's flakey. No warning at all - just no boot, or eventually a boot with no warning.
How helpful.
See what systemd does about share mounting in fstab or even the.share way.
Why do I have to learn it's log and status tools after already having had to learn the other way of just using a text editor and knowing some filenames? I have other stuff to learn.
The doctor isn't single or random. I used my own PhD level skills to select my medical team and they're far above average.
I stand by what I said - this is outdated, probably corrupted by profit making enterprises, and a cheat sheet. An excuse to not think and treat everyone the same, and reduce liability to someone a lot better off financially than you likely are.
I'm not fond of Trump per se, but the knee jerk reaction to him by jerks is simply amazing. I often wish he'd praise oxygen so those people would put a bag over their head to avoid it = because from recent behaviour, it'd work, seeing the thinking and spin I see.
Sure, any gov jobs program is damn hard to stop - pay and job security above private sector, better bennies (didn't used to be that way but is now) and almost impossible to fire someone for other than rape or showing up drunk. The howls reach the sky, but I have to wonder how much good some of this actually does.
My grandfather was an epidemiologist - and you know what, even he said a lot of what they "find" is just plain wrong once the mechanism is understood.
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I will ask my own team (I'm old enough that yeah, I see a lot of the med business...and the corruption in it when I have to do things outside my chosen folks) and see what they say. I'll bet not one single slashdot commenter or does that. Not one. Oh no, the knee jerk confirmation bias is strong with these ones. .
Speaking of facts and all....voting on truth doesn't make it true, I'd think that'd be obvious by now.;
I'd rather my doctor have to think about the issues than look up some crap that may not be right FOR ME. Else, why do they deserve so much pay anyway? If they're just using a cheat sheet, any fool can do that. Oh, but if they kill or disable you, they can say they did like the cheat sheet said and get out of having malpractice against them. Got it...this is is the opposite of what most here are saying.
I don't buy the rejection of corporate propaganda. Not one other gov agency does - look at FCC for example. Do these "guidelines" simply provide an excuse to over treat patients? I bet they do - did they ever have that landmark study on how daily small doses of aspirin prevent heart attacks and strokes? No, didn't think so. But despite lowering numbers at the lab, I'd be they promote prescribing statins despite zero evidence they actually do any good other than make lab numbers good.
Maybe it's a cost saving issue indeed - the money all comes from our pockets one way or another.
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Maybe some of the high-minded commentators here have some resources THEY would donate to keep a simple database online if they're so adamant I should pay for it. Why not have those who want to pick my pocket pick their own? Crickets. They still believe the lie that some government is going to pick the other guy's pocket, not their own, to buy their vote and for their good. Guess what, good governments prevent stealing from one person to give to another. That would not include ours, for as long as I've lived - 64 so far.
FWIW, install base means nothing - a popularity contest is often misjudging value. Else MS Windows is the best ever and for all time! And all use-cases.
Deciding such things by stack overflow or GitHub...a silly idea. The language most represented in the first is the one people have the most questions about. Which means either entitled shits who won't read a book or try things on their own, or some defect in the language itself.
Github is for people who can't do their own version control, do nothing worth keeping to themselves, and is most often used as a resume because they're hoping against hope to find a better job than the one they're in or fear they're going to lose that one.
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What does that have to do with good code or good languages to write it in?
I basically agree - I don't know nothing, I know quite a lot.
I'd agree that python isn't the winner for bad code, by a long shot - it'll catch up due to sheer popularity soon enough. Yes, I've seen plenty PHP..."My eyes! The goggles do nothing!"
But one size doesn't fit all either. Loose typing, by whatever name (I like duck typing) works out some places nicely, and horribly in others. Not everything is text being served, some of us do scientific work, for example. Loose typing and poor coding along with unicode even mess up text, allowing a url bar to display look-alike characters to phish with.
Languages that appear to promote cleverness are widely misused out of some motivation to seem clever to oneself, or to ensure job security - thus the hate for perl for example, even though that same freedom can be used to make it one of the clearest languages to read and understand if you're motivated that way (I am).
But bit-fiddle in a loosely typed language? Try it sometime - and try taking say, one of Adafruit's hardware drivers in python and translating it into any other loosely typed language with ever so slightly different rules...maybe they should have used a strongly typed language so at least it'd be clear what the shuffling is doing?
But no, if you project that the whole world only does what you do (eg what you can do in say, PHP which isn't exactly your standalone number cruncher and can't run on a client if you're doing client-server, which you may not be doing) - you're the frustrated one. I say use the right tool for the job at hand. It will rarely be say, lisp...it will sometimes be C, it'll have to be (ugh) JS if it has to run in a browser, it might even be perl if it runs in a server or needs to act as glue between big packages in C/C++... It'll be what fits your problem space. Trying to use the same tool for everything...well, that's just not going to work out, even for Rust, which solves a problem I've never had - or my employees - because we pay attention to memory and thread safety and allocation, and neither need nor want restrictions that might prevent us from doing it right. .
But I digress, you said you'd be sticking with PHP because there's so much bad code in it for you to fix, job security and all that. Doesn't that agree with what I said above that you replied to? All those low paid beginners writing web sites for their uncle wrote that nasty stuff, or maybe some adult who is getting by pretending competence in an area they should be avoiding - or learning to only write checks they can cash.
Vice versa. I almost never watch TV, but this big screen makes a great monitor for things like Slashdot in my living room.
I might get an afternoon of sports watched a year, or it used to be if someone was assassinated, but the inet is a better source now anyway.
So, you have super-sekrit info on how Mueller's plan is defined? You know what he expected and why he does things? Do enlighten us how you got ahold of those secrets and why you're not a traitor yourself for revealing them.
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You're right, it's pathetic. It should detect stupidity like those quotes and reject them upfront instead of mis-displaying them, or I mean, displaying them the way one dictatorial opsys insists is the one true way.
Heinlein sure got a lot of things right about what was the future to him. Hope the good parts come true as well!
Double-blind, utter BS. If it works, you can tell it's working by being in the body/brain it's working on, easy.
Damn, no mod points...^^^^^
Agree almost 100%, until you try and use VBA on a DB on linux - the most popular big production opsys. Then we use...it depends but perl is easier for me.
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Due to some half decent grunt work done in python for the things it's fine for - say device drivers for slow stuff on a raspberry pi - and the difficulty refactoring one loosely typed language into another with slightly different rules, particularly where bit-fiddling is involved, I've recently written several programs using all of perl, python, and C. No sweat with "use Inline"....
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The only issues I've had is poor python drivers where instead of checking a ready bit, the easy fractional sleep was used, making it utterly non portable even on the same machine (since perl's inline compiles python - while the sleeps are the same speed, the rest is now faster than native and oops, not ready....). Your basic "earnest beginner" mistake, tuning the sleep to go as fast as it would in testing, rather than actually doing the work to do it properly. Some languages attract beginners, and those are also the ones with the most google or stack overflow or whatever - searrches. The popularity, or how good a language is, might be better measured some other way. You could make the case that the more questions, the goofier the language, after all.
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Yeah, I know, ,it's popular to diss perl for many of the same reasons - people too easily impressed with their own cleverness looking for job security by writing impossible to read code is blamed on the language, which would actually apply well to almost any of them. But you don't have to write bad or hard to read code. I've had people ask me what C(++) syntatic sugar templates I'm using to make my code so clear. I'm writing for myself and the poor maintainer who'll have to look after it later is me. I like me...so I make it easy. Freedom is always a doubled edged deal.
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There sure is a lot of bitterness out there from the people whose misdeeds he's revealed, and it seems they really, really want to "get even" though it will make them look even worse to those of us who are paying attention to anything like truth. And as if it'd make us forget their original misdeeds.
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Anti-virtue signalling by those who want to deter any future entities who would reveal their wrongdoing?
The great game. Remember who were the good guys in SCO vs the universe?
You know it's always a lie -taxes, fines, whatever - the pols always say we're going to punish/tax that other guy to get the stuff to give you, all fair like - but in reality, there is no "other guy" - it's we who pay, every single time. So if Google loses revenue and has to charge for android to make up for it, who pays? Only the EU citizens? Don't make me laugh...So many people have zero clue how the world works in reality. As it said in the hitchiker's guide (to paraphrase): The government is only there to distract attention away from the real power...and get a slice of the action along the way. How come these guys always stay in office forever and always retire rich on otherwise-crap pay? Work it out, people. This is not partisan...
Pulse broke audio *again* on raspberry pi 3 b+ and they took it out of the distro - adding it back breaks it all again. But ALSA - if you work it out right, can still mix two sources, which is all I needed. I have a pi doing homestead database, security cam, background radio, and audio alerts on various events sent over the wire from other pies or ESP machine around the place. So it just had to be able to play a .mp3 or .flac while VLC was busy playing background music and I'm happy again...sadly, raspian still has systemd and all the issues of that.
The reduced reliability of booting and shutting down in a network with a lot of things shared/talking to one another is VERY NOTICEABLE with systemd, no matter which workaround you look up and find that actually works - which will only be a fraction of those on the 'net because of so many changes after it was more or less forced on us. Like pulse, cult of personality got it into "production" long before it was ready - again.
Oxymoron spotted. "Kernal"b = look it up. The central, essence, core part of something. I don't mind say, a scheduler or a driver or an app being "monolithic" as they do...one thing and do it well. Systemd on the other hand -tries to do everything and does most of it poorly. Further it breaks some things such that if say, something is mounted remote but can't be unmounted due to a bad connection or the thing being down, it takes many minutes to remotely reboot - if at all. So if your machine is in a place you have to drive to - or crawl through a tunnel to, or be exposed to radiation in, you got trouble right here in system city.
I've been a prime member since 2010. Almost without fail, one item will have auto-selected "overnight" at extreme cost, instead of defaulting to the free 2 day delivery (which is becoming a joke as they add drop shippers who aren't that slick). Anyone who uses Alexa or one click ordering probably never gets a chance to switch back to WHAT YOU ALREADY PAID FOR. I've seen 30-$60 "overnight" rates on $5 junk added to an otherwise $100 order. Watch your back.
Remember when Comcast hired a new Veep of Customer Relations and claimed the same? Me too.
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I don't borrow money, so I don't care that rates are redonkulous no matter where you go these days. Given the reserve rate it looks like spreads are super high just now, and for the past while. Lucky, I don't care.
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I know docs seek help on the hard ones. They have plenty of resources to contact, often in the same building.
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Just because someone says a source is great, doesn't make it great. The correlation is negative if in fact their paycheck comes from that source - the case here.
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Yes, I'm aware of the effect of knowing one field and being a bozo in another. Not the case here.
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When a doc has a puzzling case, I think it's good if they take the specifics into account as well as use their judgement about whether the patient can reliably relate symptom information - which varies all over as you know if you've done support of any sort. I happen to be a 6' 123 lb person with metabolic issues quite a bit different than most of the data that includes the "whales of wallmart" which skews the data a doctor gets FAR from what fits my case....if you have any sort of relatively rare issue, the value of a big set of unrelated cases quickly becomes zero - or negative.
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What obviously triggered this story was reports by people losing their jobs, not reports from the users... What would you expect the spin to look like?
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Work on the problem BEFORE you release something that'll be shoved down my throat and break things, please. Arrogant much?
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Why should I have to write different error detection and fallback code every release of this crap?
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No, it doesn't boot the console for me when a share (for example a NAS) didn't come up in time. It just hangs for quite some time, then fails (which is all it can do). If it did go to console it'd be kind of a mess for a physically hard to get to headless box (say a raspberry pi in the fusion lab).
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Learning a single command? I count at least systemctl, journalctl, a few new directory layouts for service spec files, the formats of those which vary between some daemons and some mounts and it seems, on and on. As for a single command, I'd bet you can't even quote what all the options to rsync do...or know every file spec you'd put into it to backup a config without just doing every file on the box and failing because of the odd special file. Give me a break, single command.
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Hint - I've been programming longer than IC's and most modern languages have existed- from the metal on up, including realtime embedded opsys when necessary as they didn't exist yet. These are the complaints of a newbie who only knows one system or language.
They don't hate systemd because they haven't tried to do anything out of the ordinary that used to work fine and is now broken. If you're using linux as a chromebook and text editor it's probably fine. Data acquisition/analysis, it's a joke, it breaks everything.
SysVInit worked fine for me, and no it doesn't boot slower. See what systemD does if you've got stuff waiting for network and for whatever reason there's no network or it's flakey. No warning at all - just no boot, or eventually a boot with no warning. .share way.
Why do I have to learn it's log and status tools after already having had to learn the other way of just using a text editor and knowing some filenames? I have other stuff to learn.
How helpful.
See what systemd does about share mounting in fstab or even the
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I will ask my own team (I'm old enough that yeah, I see a lot of the med business...and the corruption in it when I have to do things outside my chosen folks) and see what they say. I'll bet not one single slashdot commenter or does that. Not one. Oh no, the knee jerk confirmation bias is strong with these ones.
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Speaking of facts and all....voting on truth doesn't make it true, I'd think that'd be obvious by now.;
I'd rather my doctor have to think about the issues than look up some crap that may not be right FOR ME. Else, why do they deserve so much pay anyway? If they're just using a cheat sheet, any fool can do that. Oh, but if they kill or disable you, they can say they did like the cheat sheet said and get out of having malpractice against them. Got it...this is is the opposite of what most here are saying.
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Maybe some of the high-minded commentators here have some resources THEY would donate to keep a simple database online if they're so adamant I should pay for it. Why not have those who want to pick my pocket pick their own? Crickets. They still believe the lie that some government is going to pick the other guy's pocket, not their own, to buy their vote and for their good. Guess what, good governments prevent stealing from one person to give to another. That would not include ours, for as long as I've lived - 64 so far.
Deciding such things by stack overflow or GitHub...a silly idea. The language most represented in the first is the one people have the most questions about. Which means either entitled shits who won't read a book or try things on their own, or some defect in the language itself.
Github is for people who can't do their own version control, do nothing worth keeping to themselves, and is most often used as a resume because they're hoping against hope to find a better job than the one they're in or fear they're going to lose that one.
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What does that have to do with good code or good languages to write it in?
But one size doesn't fit all either. Loose typing, by whatever name (I like duck typing) works out some places nicely, and horribly in others. Not everything is text being served, some of us do scientific work, for example. Loose typing and poor coding along with unicode even mess up text, allowing a url bar to display look-alike characters to phish with.
Languages that appear to promote cleverness are widely misused out of some motivation to seem clever to oneself, or to ensure job security - thus the hate for perl for example, even though that same freedom can be used to make it one of the clearest languages to read and understand if you're motivated that way (I am). But bit-fiddle in a loosely typed language? Try it sometime - and try taking say, one of Adafruit's hardware drivers in python and translating it into any other loosely typed language with ever so slightly different rules...maybe they should have used a strongly typed language so at least it'd be clear what the shuffling is doing?
But no, if you project that the whole world only does what you do (eg what you can do in say, PHP which isn't exactly your standalone number cruncher and can't run on a client if you're doing client-server, which you may not be doing) - you're the frustrated one. I say use the right tool for the job at hand. It will rarely be say, lisp...it will sometimes be C, it'll have to be (ugh) JS if it has to run in a browser, it might even be perl if it runs in a server or needs to act as glue between big packages in C/C++... It'll be what fits your problem space. Trying to use the same tool for everything...well, that's just not going to work out, even for Rust, which solves a problem I've never had - or my employees - because we pay attention to memory and thread safety and allocation, and neither need nor want restrictions that might prevent us from doing it right.
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But I digress, you said you'd be sticking with PHP because there's so much bad code in it for you to fix, job security and all that. Doesn't that agree with what I said above that you replied to? All those low paid beginners writing web sites for their uncle wrote that nasty stuff, or maybe some adult who is getting by pretending competence in an area they should be avoiding - or learning to only write checks they can cash.
Vice versa. I almost never watch TV, but this big screen makes a great monitor for things like Slashdot in my living room.
I might get an afternoon of sports watched a year, or it used to be if someone was assassinated, but the inet is a better source now anyway.
So, you have super-sekrit info on how Mueller's plan is defined? You know what he expected and why he does things? Do enlighten us how you got ahold of those secrets and why you're not a traitor yourself for revealing them.