It was an NSA guy who illegally took stuff home. Since "no intent" is currently a defense in the just-us system, no one wants to talk about it or prosecute the guy. Kaspersky picked up on his illegal stuff because his home computer was full of other illegal stuff (stolen MS software - not that I'd care about that - with the usual added malware by the 'wares guys).
Israel claims to have hacked Kaspersky and seen the Russians in there too - they told us and that's how we originally claimed we knew Kaspersky was involved at all. If you trace back this convoluted story, that's the closest thing you can find to something that's almost believable. OK, so some _NSA_ _dude_ breaks all the rules and takes the nasties home - accidental treason if you will - and happens to have a machine full of stolen microsoft code that came with viruses, and Kaspersky AV too. It sees this, and some other nasty looking things, and brings them back to the mother ship to see what's up - all as designed and as in the EULA and so on. All this was told to us by "reputable sources" naming "reputable sources" in the IC and promoted by the MSM. Now their story changes...they seem to be depending on people having a real short attention span.
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Not only were there the usual viruses associated with stolen code from MS, but also this stuff from NSA which was picked up as it had the signature of a nasty - because it IS. If the Russians got ahold of it because they had already penetrated Kaspersky...then Kaspersky didn't actually do this - they were an unwitting "useful idiot" at most.
But we have to hate them? Want to bet that's because they refused to back down about putting bugs into their code to "not notice" TLA code, when all other AV's agreed to do that? .
OK Occam's razor - find another reason that makes sense all around. GoodLuckWithThat.
I've yet to see reasonable evidence that the shadow brokers are even russian - they might be, but who knows? Attribution is hard. CIA's leaked tools show their tricks for leaving a false trail, for example (and this is yet another reason not to give any of these guys an encryption backdoor they promise to keep safe - they can't even keep their own stuff safe).
Funny anyone asking for real evidence gets modded troll immediately. TLA's are here and are "controlling the narrative" - but failing. We know there's no other reason to call a legit request for "how you know what you claim" as trolling. It's obvious, and I had to burn a mod point to make this point. This is important. You think the Russians are doing all the badware on earth? How about this situation?
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Peek-a-boo - I see you, paid "intelligence community trolls with mod points". A big FU to lying to keep your rice bowl full.
Riiiiiight. That's why they wrote them to expire - pure motives, but when the "other team" does it it's evil, right? Gheez, people get dumber every year here.
Yeah, humint and maybe not Russian. Awan and Seth Rich come to mind. Awan arrested for all kinds of shenanigans with DNC and was IT support for nearly all D's. Seth died (was killed?) right after evidence of the DNC fixing the primaries to eliminate Bernie came out - perhaps through him.
Neither guessing nor fake news - this is on police blotters and court records.
All true, but then we either outnumbered or intimidated the asshats far better than now. Trying to mod slashdot is like trying to empty the ocean with a thimble.
Luckily, it doesn't appear that any one hand - or branch, or subset of the uniparty, has much control over the US government. I happen to agree with Sam Clemens about when we are safest - when the government isn't in session. Thing is, the damn bureaucracy is ALWAYS in session now.
I kind of like arduino's slightly relaxed version of C++ myself, and use perl or C/C++ in pies to do the linux type stuff - databases and web servers - for my arduino based automation devices (often ESP based). Works for me - use C(++) where you are super time-dependent and need utter control and some higher level language for the glue that saves programmer time and effort and catches some of the errors. I personally missed the Java and PHP trains, but I hear I didn't miss much...something about fractals of bad design springs to mind? I'm sure you can write good code in them if you understand them down to the metal, but if you do, why use one of them? Use something you have real control over.
No checking? That's what we have programmers for. Now, a lot of people have that title who aren't even coders, frankly....and buffer overflows are usually trivial to prevent, and even actively search for possibilities of (like text search for strcpy instead of strncpy for the simplest imaginable example). Maybe expecting and getting a programming job that requires experience to do well without that experience (so the employer doesn't have to pay you as much) is more the issue, or could it be that languages that take no skill to program in result in programs written by the unskilled?
Maybe it's like those other things where people want more laws on my freedom because since they have no discipline or self-control, they fear I can't possibly have those things?
Oh, yeah - that side-channel attack on speculative processing - obviously Intel should have written the chip in Rust instead of Sand....Works for hardware too, right?
And clearly all this stuff is made in countries that assiduously follow all US regulations, real or imaginary, and always default to the safer alternative in fully researched edge cases of every possible interaction. Yeah, right. For someone with a low ID#, you sure don't seem to have been around the block much.
Not sure why you're defending this. It's only a matter of time before something stupid is wired in, and abused. Already, there's this idea of an amazon thing that lets delivery guys - and any decent hackers - into your house. Some idiot will do the moral equivalent of putting what should be internal sub-functions out in the cloud to save money - along the lines of (but no one will do this actual example of course) the pilot light and safety vs the main gas valve on your heater.
Turn on the gas, then light the light - boom.
See Dan Tentler about stupid things ALREADY on the internet, found by Shodan searches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
This isn't made up. It's already here. My friends who do SCADA for small companies that do things like distill ethanol tell me their customers won't let them do it safely/securely (because what else, $$$), and right there you have a few train car loads of boiling alcohol. What could go wrong?
1. Incomplete training sets - no NN can "expect the unexpected".
2. NN's alone are just pattern matchers - there is no underlying understanding. A picture of a truck is a truck. A real intelligence would perhaps notice the edges of the painting...crappy analogy, but hopefully it communicates.
3. Knowing when you don't know - some types of NN can have confidence estimates, key word, estimate. But still, a blue truck against a blue sky in an intersection in the desert where there's almost no intersections, almost always blue sky and rarely trucks across the road? Give me a break. Don't tell me what "researchers will do" unless you can get a lot more specific about just how they're going to do that - and whether they are actually researching anything worthwhile at all, or just throwing mountains of data at mountains of CPU and hoping. I could go on, but if you don't already get it...no point.
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This is not purely a case of just improving the basic tech or the basic inputs, though that's part of it. A NN is a hammer that makes the whole world your thumb. More is needed - NN's will always be good for data reduction, but only as a layer of what's needed to have anything like "real" artificial intelligence on which lives can depend. .
Yeah, this is at least partly my lawn, I'm not speaking from inexperience.
Is not as easily fooled as this pattern matching NN grossly incorrectly hyped as Artificial intelligence. Just saying - hype is hype no matter how much you want to believe you've got the next big thing and innovation (and in this case, NN research and pattern matching work go WAY back).
Quitting is far more of a flag than never having joined. Not that it stops whoever from collecting quite a lot - like say Experien, Equifax, your bank, the IRS...and tons of others in the normal course of events, much less this new regime.
I'm just going by my experience and training in the arcane art of "traffic analysis" here. That "metadata" is all you need for that. It's even economical of computer cycles.
I could think that you're honest but have been misled, will that do? I've been around the block on many issues (since Eisenhower) and am looking at this through the lens of history. It doesn't always repeat, but it often rhymes, eh?
You can count on a law that "we have to pass to see what's in it" if that happens. It'll be written by the lobbyists, like most important ones are. It won't solve anything, but will now be harder to change, as you point out.
Yes, what we actually need is competition, particularly at the last mile. I have zero non-satellite options where I live, for example, just DSL and slow at that. This would all go away I'd bet if we hadn't already succumbed to total corruption and cableco influence.
But trying to make sense on slashdot can be like trying to empty the ocean with an eyedropper, so many rabid sure-of-themselves but actually ignorant posters make it pretty hard to be informative and honest - the closer to the truth, the more you get drowned out, because the truth upsets someone's (often unstated) unstated agenda.
The problem is that congress is just as corrupt, and like other big bills, will let lobbyists write the law. Then they'll say they
"did something" but the resulting law will be more full of loopholes than my colander. And now, harder to change.
I wish people would understand that green is the party that controls this, and I ain't talkin about the environmentalists.
It's that other golden rule - them with the gold...makes the rules.
There appears to be no fairness here about this, but yes - on the other hand, I'm grateful for Wheeler, and I'm not even a leftie. The situation actually appears to be one of corruption, which as far as I can tell, isn't partisan, most big outfits bribe both sides. It's in the public record, but the rabid partisans only seem to point out something bad the other guys do.
Follow the money, if it's not too much work for your attention span. I have to for a living, and it makes one a bit cynical, but there it is.
Corruption is NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE!!! Both sides are bought in fee simple by big outfits. Remember how we were all afraid that Wheeler, a former CableCo lobbyist, was going to do what Pai actually did do? But then he turncoated on his former employers, and probably the fellow who appointed him. There's no knowing - and that's my point. All you sure of yourself "it's partisan" people who don't know how stuff really works are powerless to affect what happens. Educate yourselves. Partisanship is a false dichotomy. They both work for the same guys, and because one is wrong, doesn't make the other right. They're both dead wrong, don't work for us at all. This is shown in several studies, including one from Stanford, that report we have lost democracy (or a representative republic) long ago, we are now and have been an oligarchy for quite some time. There is no perceptible response to the will of the public except for roughly one hobby-horse program per president - as if a life of preparation and at least 4 years of power could at most begin to almost solve a single problem.
Before I retired, we engineers were expected to solve lots of problems....in a lot less than 4-8 years, and yes, some of them were rocket science.
Maybe not what you think. It's a flag you have something to hide (you think). Might as well wave that flag in front of a bull(sh*t) government or credit agency.
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It was an NSA guy who illegally took stuff home. Since "no intent" is currently a defense in the just-us system, no one wants to talk about it or prosecute the guy. Kaspersky picked up on his illegal stuff because his home computer was full of other illegal stuff (stolen MS software - not that I'd care about that - with the usual added malware by the 'wares guys).
Top men are working on it. Top men.
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Not only were there the usual viruses associated with stolen code from MS, but also this stuff from NSA which was picked up as it had the signature of a nasty - because it IS. If the Russians got ahold of it because they had already penetrated Kaspersky...then Kaspersky didn't actually do this - they were an unwitting "useful idiot" at most.
But we have to hate them? Want to bet that's because they refused to back down about putting bugs into their code to "not notice" TLA code, when all other AV's agreed to do that?
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OK Occam's razor - find another reason that makes sense all around. GoodLuckWithThat. I've yet to see reasonable evidence that the shadow brokers are even russian - they might be, but who knows? Attribution is hard. CIA's leaked tools show their tricks for leaving a false trail, for example (and this is yet another reason not to give any of these guys an encryption backdoor they promise to keep safe - they can't even keep their own stuff safe).
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Peek-a-boo - I see you, paid "intelligence community trolls with mod points". A big FU to lying to keep your rice bowl full.
Riiiiiight. That's why they wrote them to expire - pure motives, but when the "other team" does it it's evil, right? Gheez, people get dumber every year here.
You're saying it's as bad as the Obamacare time-bomb? So, it's not a partisan thing, it's a psychopath/politician thing, they all do it.
He's the murderer. The cop is merely a killer. Get a dictionary, or even the Bible and discover the difference. Murder is personal.
Mod parent up....this is so obviously true as to negate worrying about the rest of this crap.
Yeah, humint and maybe not Russian. Awan and Seth Rich come to mind. Awan arrested for all kinds of shenanigans with DNC and was IT support for nearly all D's. Seth died (was killed?) right after evidence of the DNC fixing the primaries to eliminate Bernie came out - perhaps through him. Neither guessing nor fake news - this is on police blotters and court records.
All true, but then we either outnumbered or intimidated the asshats far better than now. Trying to mod slashdot is like trying to empty the ocean with a thimble.
Luckily, it doesn't appear that any one hand - or branch, or subset of the uniparty, has much control over the US government. I happen to agree with Sam Clemens about when we are safest - when the government isn't in session. Thing is, the damn bureaucracy is ALWAYS in session now.
Mod parent up - I posted so I can't use my points. This is correct.
I kind of like arduino's slightly relaxed version of C++ myself, and use perl or C/C++ in pies to do the linux type stuff - databases and web servers - for my arduino based automation devices (often ESP based). Works for me - use C(++) where you are super time-dependent and need utter control and some higher level language for the glue that saves programmer time and effort and catches some of the errors. I personally missed the Java and PHP trains, but I hear I didn't miss much...something about fractals of bad design springs to mind? I'm sure you can write good code in them if you understand them down to the metal, but if you do, why use one of them? Use something you have real control over.
No checking? That's what we have programmers for. Now, a lot of people have that title who aren't even coders, frankly....and buffer overflows are usually trivial to prevent, and even actively search for possibilities of (like text search for strcpy instead of strncpy for the simplest imaginable example).
Maybe expecting and getting a programming job that requires experience to do well without that experience (so the employer doesn't have to pay you as much) is more the issue, or could it be that languages that take no skill to program in result in programs written by the unskilled?
Maybe it's like those other things where people want more laws on my freedom because since they have no discipline or self-control, they fear I can't possibly have those things?
Oh, yeah - that side-channel attack on speculative processing - obviously Intel should have written the chip in Rust instead of Sand....Works for hardware too, right?
And clearly all this stuff is made in countries that assiduously follow all US regulations, real or imaginary, and always default to the safer alternative in fully researched edge cases of every possible interaction. Yeah, right. For someone with a low ID#, you sure don't seem to have been around the block much.
Not sure why you're defending this. It's only a matter of time before something stupid is wired in, and abused. Already, there's this idea of an amazon thing that lets delivery guys - and any decent hackers - into your house. Some idiot will do the moral equivalent of putting what should be internal sub-functions out in the cloud to save money - along the lines of (but no one will do this actual example of course) the pilot light and safety vs the main gas valve on your heater. Turn on the gas, then light the light - boom. See Dan Tentler about stupid things ALREADY on the internet, found by Shodan searches. https://www.youtube.com/watch?... This isn't made up. It's already here. My friends who do SCADA for small companies that do things like distill ethanol tell me their customers won't let them do it safely/securely (because what else, $$$), and right there you have a few train car loads of boiling alcohol. What could go wrong?
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This is not purely a case of just improving the basic tech or the basic inputs, though that's part of it. A NN is a hammer that makes the whole world your thumb. More is needed - NN's will always be good for data reduction, but only as a layer of what's needed to have anything like "real" artificial intelligence on which lives can depend.
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Yeah, this is at least partly my lawn, I'm not speaking from inexperience.
Is not as easily fooled as this pattern matching NN grossly incorrectly hyped as Artificial intelligence. Just saying - hype is hype no matter how much you want to believe you've got the next big thing and innovation (and in this case, NN research and pattern matching work go WAY back).
Quitting is far more of a flag than never having joined. Not that it stops whoever from collecting quite a lot - like say Experien, Equifax, your bank, the IRS...and tons of others in the normal course of events, much less this new regime.
I'm just going by my experience and training in the arcane art of "traffic analysis" here. That "metadata" is all you need for that. It's even economical of computer cycles.
I could think that you're honest but have been misled, will that do? I've been around the block on many issues (since Eisenhower) and am looking at this through the lens of history. It doesn't always repeat, but it often rhymes, eh?
Yes, what we actually need is competition, particularly at the last mile. I have zero non-satellite options where I live, for example, just DSL and slow at that. This would all go away I'd bet if we hadn't already succumbed to total corruption and cableco influence. But trying to make sense on slashdot can be like trying to empty the ocean with an eyedropper, so many rabid sure-of-themselves but actually ignorant posters make it pretty hard to be informative and honest - the closer to the truth, the more you get drowned out, because the truth upsets someone's (often unstated) unstated agenda.
The problem is that congress is just as corrupt, and like other big bills, will let lobbyists write the law. Then they'll say they "did something" but the resulting law will be more full of loopholes than my colander. And now, harder to change. I wish people would understand that green is the party that controls this, and I ain't talkin about the environmentalists. It's that other golden rule - them with the gold...makes the rules.
There appears to be no fairness here about this, but yes - on the other hand, I'm grateful for Wheeler, and I'm not even a leftie. The situation actually appears to be one of corruption, which as far as I can tell, isn't partisan, most big outfits bribe both sides. It's in the public record, but the rabid partisans only seem to point out something bad the other guys do. Follow the money, if it's not too much work for your attention span. I have to for a living, and it makes one a bit cynical, but there it is.
Corruption is NOT A PARTISAN ISSUE!!! Both sides are bought in fee simple by big outfits. Remember how we were all afraid that Wheeler, a former CableCo lobbyist, was going to do what Pai actually did do? But then he turncoated on his former employers, and probably the fellow who appointed him. There's no knowing - and that's my point. All you sure of yourself "it's partisan" people who don't know how stuff really works are powerless to affect what happens. Educate yourselves. Partisanship is a false dichotomy. They both work for the same guys, and because one is wrong, doesn't make the other right. They're both dead wrong, don't work for us at all. This is shown in several studies, including one from Stanford, that report we have lost democracy (or a representative republic) long ago, we are now and have been an oligarchy for quite some time. There is no perceptible response to the will of the public except for roughly one hobby-horse program per president - as if a life of preparation and at least 4 years of power could at most begin to almost solve a single problem.
Before I retired, we engineers were expected to solve lots of problems....in a lot less than 4-8 years, and yes, some of them were rocket science.
Maybe not what you think. It's a flag you have something to hide (you think). Might as well wave that flag in front of a bull(sh*t) government or credit agency.