Yeah, I don't think anyone objects to people treating each other well, and as equals in the sense that all have the same rights/laws and so on. The issue comes up when these warriors then say your code shouldn't be used because of something unrelated in your life and you are in their eyes, a bad person.
Or, IMO, just as bad - I MUST accept your stuff, no matter how bad, because your particular "identity politic bullshit self-description" is otherwise under represented - essentially self-defined repression with self-prescribed and demanded affirmative action required.
And while the current CoC looks reasonable, we have plenty of evidence that it devolves into what I describe once you let that camel's nose under the tent. Everyone has always been free to NOT leverage the work of those they dislike. When Linus rants, I frankly find it entertaining and for a good cause - an example is having code submitted that won't even compile. Is he supposed to apologize for the submitter's incompetence or lack of caring about what's actually important?
So, Linux would have happened without linux and a bunch of really talented people. Got it.
There's no general availabity of smart and productive people - Ok, if you say so.
I found that if I treated people right, my company had few issues finding and hiring these people. Just an anecdote, I'm sure it's different everywhere else.
You might get rid of the goose (geese) that lays the eggs, but then you get no more eggs from that goose. And wind up having to prove your BS is as good as a real meritocracy. GoodLuckWithThat, takes longer for the effect to show than some would like (slow degradation vs dead tomorrow) - but it will show.
If all this equality stuff is true, why is your worldview so much more important or valid than mine that you have to force it on me? I detect a logical error.
The weirder and rarer it is, the better the pay, especially if legacy code is spaghetti. Perl for me, for $. Plenty of people wrote too clever for anyone's good in that one, it makes it easy to show off. Job security for them, and for me. When I write it for myself, you'd not recognize it as perl, it looks sane - freedom can be used either way.
Lobbying is more cost-effective. Patent IP "reform", Mickey Mouse Copyright, most regulations that cost little guys more as a proportion, healthcare laws written by insurance and big pharma, the list is long - and that money is VERY effective at preventing competition.
How about the single biggest customer (.gov) can't by law negotiate drug prices - how'd that happen? It's not like they don't charge us in taxes, the government itself pays for nothing, nada, zero. We're always holding every single bag.
I wanted to use that 360v too, but...it's a big but. Their complex systems don't make it easy without making it lose track of battery data, which is crucial to keeping the thing alive and knowing when to run the backup engine....and this was "there" so...go with it.
Since a Volt can't count on manifold vacuum, a power steering pump, or any shaft rotation on the IC engine which is usually not running, and since 12v versions of all that stuff exist...they just made a gonzo 12v supply and went with that, probably to save $. And that's all incorporated into their internal data aq on the main batteries, so it's all good. If you're not using the power steering, brakes, AC and so forth - it's all there to be used for something else. I can understand why they don't want you to do this - could be that turning the wheel or hitting the brakes while stressing the switcher to the limit makes smoke, for example, but I kinda understand this system so...it's at my own risk.
I was kinda upset that they wanted to put in that "fix" for what in my case is a feature. Some drunk came close to accidental suicide by failing to turn it off and having the engine start in the garage when the various loads ran the main battery down...or so they said.
Try it with wifi on the machine that wants to mount stuff.
Yes, the very race conditions systemd was supposed to fix cause it to fail. Where without it the fstab mounts would either keep trying or just wait.
But I think I made my point - a race condition is a bug...naming it doesn't make it start working. I had 15 users down on that alone, and making them manually mount all this crap wasn't going to fly. Especially on machines that were hard to phsically access that wouldn't reboot remotely because systemd hung them forever on shutdown once it hit this.
And when I did mount.service type of stuff, that fixed it for awhile, but it's one of the suggested workarounds that then broke again when they fixed the original problem.
One of the big problems, and not just systemd, is that when something like this breaks and really screws people up, workaround are posted all over the net. A year later, those workarounds might not be the right answer anymore. The rush to cram this crap down our throats made it far worse.
Wow, it's been so long it took me awhile to find it on my own site: http://www.coultersmithing.com...
It's been trouble free. I just use it to make 120v to run a RV battery charger for the main house.
I haven't used it much as I finally got "enough" panels to run the place, at least in conserve mode, even in mostly cloudy sky conditions.
Well, in my case...not so hard. There's a 175 amp switcher to run 12 volt stuff, battery under the hatch in the back. Plenty of room for an inverter or switcher - either of which can charge my house batteries (2500 a/h at 24v) which then run the inverters that run the rest - that would be up to 8kw rms and about 20 peak. In "be careful" mode my campus only draws ~ 300w average.
or 12 amps at 24v nominal.
In theory you could hack the 110kw inverter that runs the normal electric motor, but...that's a lot of work and I don't need that many kw (for that short a time, either).
Chevy has an update to stop me from doing this, which I didn't allow to be put in (unlike Tesla, you have a choice). It would have stopped the backup gasoline engine from starting with the car in park in the driveway (which is the mode that will enable that big 12 switcher that runs on the main batteries).
I use my Chevy Volt as a backup system for my off-grid home - easy hack, and I don't have to wait for a battery to be replaced. On top, it's a backup generator that can drive itself to the gas station and I don't get gas on my hands....(yes, I voided the warranty, but my 2012 Volt is still going strong in 2018).
Sadly, you are correct and it's not just tractors...an example close to home for me is solar - rather than pay upfront, rent your power generation and lines at a guaranteed profit to the owner. I did pay the price, and now I'm glad, but man, it was hard at first.
Not mounting CIFS or NFS shares. That's the thing - fixing stuff eventually and then pretending it never happened fools some fanboys, but not those who had to keep a fleet of customized machines going. Here's a link to lots of links, that took one second to find: https://www.google.com/search?...
It mostly messed me up with either custom daemons I wrote that wanted to be autostarted - the initial workarounds required were then broken by further systemd updates, and some other kinda - normal apps...that either didn't update for this, or took awhile to start up, and fell afoul of systemd's "helpful" "we'll keep restarting this till it makes it" behavior (which may be gone, I dunno, I figured out enough of how things work to edit that timeout and write scripts for my stuff).
Mounting network shares in/etc/fstab was broken, and if something failed to mount, then the system hung on shutdown trying to unmount what had never been mounted. The "don't do that, WONT_FIX" response was an insult, frankly. Now, like magic, that works again - obviously it was my fault all along for pointing out that doing nothing about it would have caused some months of downtime. And of course, I don't know what I'm doing with only a few decades of experience in the field. Insulting people isn't how you make friends, but evidently the people doing this don't care.
TightVNC server, oh boy. Finally solved that one using a variant of XDG autostart, but it took the user home one, not the system one, else endless loop.
Conky - just had to give up on that one.
I could go on for quite awhile.
But it wasted my time, and gave me zero new benefit, and took away my choice, as many crucial apps now not only support it, but depend on it. While insulting me - like many of the pro-systemd comments on this thread. Yeah, that'll work. How about calling us deplorables, that'll win you favor every time. Oh, wait...
Name one larger than Equifax or OPM, dare ya,
Read doesn't mean one query. That comeback tells me - and anyone who knows anything, you're the one who doesn't get it.
These guys have data on everyone in the financial system, worldwide - your'e off by ~ factor billion. A billion seconds is...work it out.
There are constantly errors people bitch about. Have you ever tried to get one fixed? Do you think they fix the ones no one even bitches about?
Ever rebuilt a raid array with 10 tb drives? Thousands of such, while staying online?
Consistency check thousands of such that have errors you have no reports of? While things are changing thousands of transactions/second?
Think that competing orgs are going to snapshot and share at their own cost because they are nice?
That it would even help, because there are already so many inconsistencies no one can sort it out quickly - and the additional evidence required takes time to get.
How about assuming that someone who has root access, which is usually assumed, can't munge the datestamps and logs, ..
You might have a low ID, but that doesn't mean I have to believe things utterly contrary to my own real world experience just because you say them. It's pretty obvious you don't see the big picture here. OR simply wish to keep people believing that some agency that doesn't give a sh*t about you, but makes money off your data - actually both them and their customers control your life - can be trusted despite inability to do what they claim and huge amounts of evidence to the contrary. Sure, ID theft is easy to fix, everyone knows that right? Seems you're implying that./sarc
And what simplistic world view does it take to think a huge credit availability won't be used to borrow money that can be bet on winners, or for so long it doesn't matter about being paid back - shifting things around as is done in all big finance. See - Government, see any big corp with plenty of rolling debt on the books.
We all know the financial system doesn't admit of crime, or that one can't manipulate loans, bonds, go bankrupt as convenient and so forth...that's just impossible.
As GM bondholders - or even some who held bonds let by companies our current leader set up. Give me a break. Believe what you want. Many people believed the banking system was fine till they lost their homes, many people thought the three letter agencies worked for our benefit till Snowden proved what many of us already guessed - and shadow brokers released some of their code used in attacks today...but nope, this is all easy bordering on trivial, and you just own that space, I get it. My nearly 50 years experience don't mean shit. Got it./flame
Yeah, I'm sure they conflict-check all the time, especially databases that take weeks to just read. And they never find discrepancies when they do that themselves, even in the absence of interference, overwhelm all ability to resolve....I'm not sure you understand the scale, here.
They're proposing a method by which the regulators can skim off the top, like the other stuff they pretend to regulate...Seems plenty of people lost their shirt in the 2007-8 crash on regulated investments, so that's a smoke screen.
Thanks, been saying the same for years myself - but as the idea that we've been effectively Fascist for quite awhile now offends a lot of people, saying it as directly as you just did doesn't get it across well - the people who most need to hear it rage-quit reading before their worldview gets messed with - they want simple, to blame it on maybe one guy they think they can get rid of, not complex and deeply embedded and hard to solve...
So I just drop hints...I think it works better.
Perhaps it's just the inverse of survivor bias, I'm not so sure. It's clear that there's a lot of dumb around. I recently reached retirement age, and to handle things like SS, I was encouraged to start a MySS account online. Heck, they were (and are) already sending me checks, a medicare card, all that. .
Now, it turns out I cannot register such an account, I can't create a sign-in, it just barfs. So I called the contact number, and after waiting the requisite few hours, I had a gov employee tell me that without a credit rating - I don't have one, don't use the credit system - I can't prove I'm myself, and can't have an online account with them - despite they know it's me and send me checks! Which is probably breaking some law about how the gov has to provide online access, but...nothing can be done, according to them (sorry, Joni Mitchell). .
This points out where the real power lies perhaps. A private company, collecting our data with no recourse - you can't opt out - has more power over government operations than...the government. Interesting. https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/
All you have to do to have no credit rating is not use any credit for 7+ years. You are then a ghost. Also interesting is that "no" credit rating is worse than a bad one! I had a dispute with Verizon some years ago - sold me a phone, no service in my area, wouldn't cancel - I wouldn't pay! They sold me off to a debt collection agency who threatened to screw up my rating. Net result - endless offers of credit from all and sundry due to now having a rating at all. Which is now long gone.
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Obviously you're not going to see this kind of story in the MSM. But it's true. Probably doesn't affect that many, but it was eye-opening for me.
I'm a white hat, but damn, if I got access to a DB, I'd to a lot more interesting stuff - modify the records. The power inherent in a credit rating agency - or say, the OPM, means you can effectively make someone rich or poor, give them or take away a security clearance, or any of a long list of other "fun". Then and only then do any exfiltration without erasing logs, just to cover your tracks. The exfiltration simply complicates things so much it makes "following the money" impractical - which money?.... .
Ever notice how this possibility is never, ever mentioned? This dog ain't barking so loudly it's deafening. So, are both sides really that stupid, or is someone covering up something? I find the former hard to believe - once, maybe, but every single time this sort of thing happens?
And literacy. "There _is_ a lot of LLVM improvments".
Why should I believe it's going to handle a set of very picky language specs if it can't speak English?
I suspect Trump will fire him as he's so unpopular he'll threaten Trump winning....I know I would, even if I agreed with Pai, which I don't - and Trump hasn't said.
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Yeah, I don't think anyone objects to people treating each other well, and as equals in the sense that all have the same rights/laws and so on. The issue comes up when these warriors then say your code shouldn't be used because of something unrelated in your life and you are in their eyes, a bad person.
Or, IMO, just as bad - I MUST accept your stuff, no matter how bad, because your particular "identity politic bullshit self-description" is otherwise under represented - essentially self-defined repression with self-prescribed and demanded affirmative action required.
And while the current CoC looks reasonable, we have plenty of evidence that it devolves into what I describe once you let that camel's nose under the tent. Everyone has always been free to NOT leverage the work of those they dislike. When Linus rants, I frankly find it entertaining and for a good cause - an example is having code submitted that won't even compile. Is he supposed to apologize for the submitter's incompetence or lack of caring about what's actually important?
So, Linux would have happened without linux and a bunch of really talented people. Got it.
There's no general availabity of smart and productive people - Ok, if you say so.
I found that if I treated people right, my company had few issues finding and hiring these people. Just an anecdote, I'm sure it's different everywhere else.
You might get rid of the goose (geese) that lays the eggs, but then you get no more eggs from that goose. And wind up having to prove your BS is as good as a real meritocracy. GoodLuckWithThat, takes longer for the effect to show than some would like (slow degradation vs dead tomorrow) - but it will show.
If all this equality stuff is true, why is your worldview so much more important or valid than mine that you have to force it on me? I detect a logical error.
The weirder and rarer it is, the better the pay, especially if legacy code is spaghetti. Perl for me, for $. Plenty of people wrote too clever for anyone's good in that one, it makes it easy to show off. Job security for them, and for me. When I write it for myself, you'd not recognize it as perl, it looks sane - freedom can be used either way.
I didn't know CA, where San Francisco is located, was a red state. It's certainly a shit pool. With IV drug needle garnish.
Lobbying is more cost-effective. Patent IP "reform", Mickey Mouse Copyright, most regulations that cost little guys more as a proportion, healthcare laws written by insurance and big pharma, the list is long - and that money is VERY effective at preventing competition.
How about the single biggest customer (.gov) can't by law negotiate drug prices - how'd that happen? It's not like they don't charge us in taxes, the government itself pays for nothing, nada, zero. We're always holding every single bag.
I wanted to use that 360v too, but...it's a big but. Their complex systems don't make it easy without making it lose track of battery data, which is crucial to keeping the thing alive and knowing when to run the backup engine....and this was "there" so...go with it.
Since a Volt can't count on manifold vacuum, a power steering pump, or any shaft rotation on the IC engine which is usually not running, and since 12v versions of all that stuff exist...they just made a gonzo 12v supply and went with that, probably to save $. And that's all incorporated into their internal data aq on the main batteries, so it's all good. If you're not using the power steering, brakes, AC and so forth - it's all there to be used for something else. I can understand why they don't want you to do this - could be that turning the wheel or hitting the brakes while stressing the switcher to the limit makes smoke, for example, but I kinda understand this system so...it's at my own risk.
I was kinda upset that they wanted to put in that "fix" for what in my case is a feature. Some drunk came close to accidental suicide by failing to turn it off and having the engine start in the garage when the various loads ran the main battery down...or so they said.
Try it with wifi on the machine that wants to mount stuff.
Yes, the very race conditions systemd was supposed to fix cause it to fail. Where without it the fstab mounts would either keep trying or just wait. But I think I made my point - a race condition is a bug...naming it doesn't make it start working. I had 15 users down on that alone, and making them manually mount all this crap wasn't going to fly. Especially on machines that were hard to phsically access that wouldn't reboot remotely because systemd hung them forever on shutdown once it hit this.
And when I did mount.service type of stuff, that fixed it for awhile, but it's one of the suggested workarounds that then broke again when they fixed the original problem.
One of the big problems, and not just systemd, is that when something like this breaks and really screws people up, workaround are posted all over the net. A year later, those workarounds might not be the right answer anymore. The rush to cram this crap down our throats made it far worse.
Wow, it's been so long it took me awhile to find it on my own site:
http://www.coultersmithing.com...
It's been trouble free. I just use it to make 120v to run a RV battery charger for the main house.
I haven't used it much as I finally got "enough" panels to run the place, at least in conserve mode, even in mostly cloudy sky conditions.
Well, in my case...not so hard. There's a 175 amp switcher to run 12 volt stuff, battery under the hatch in the back. Plenty of room for an inverter or switcher - either of which can charge my house batteries (2500 a/h at 24v) which then run the inverters that run the rest - that would be up to 8kw rms and about 20 peak. In "be careful" mode my campus only draws ~ 300w average. or 12 amps at 24v nominal. In theory you could hack the 110kw inverter that runs the normal electric motor, but...that's a lot of work and I don't need that many kw (for that short a time, either). Chevy has an update to stop me from doing this, which I didn't allow to be put in (unlike Tesla, you have a choice). It would have stopped the backup gasoline engine from starting with the car in park in the driveway (which is the mode that will enable that big 12 switcher that runs on the main batteries).
I use my Chevy Volt as a backup system for my off-grid home - easy hack, and I don't have to wait for a battery to be replaced. On top, it's a backup generator that can drive itself to the gas station and I don't get gas on my hands....(yes, I voided the warranty, but my 2012 Volt is still going strong in 2018).
Modded interesting, but it's insightful. It's easy to complain, and most only do that. It's hard to be the first one off the landing craft.
Sadly, you are correct and it's not just tractors...an example close to home for me is solar - rather than pay upfront, rent your power generation and lines at a guaranteed profit to the owner. I did pay the price, and now I'm glad, but man, it was hard at first.
Not mounting CIFS or NFS shares. That's the thing - fixing stuff eventually and then pretending it never happened fools some fanboys, but not those who had to keep a fleet of customized machines going. Here's a link to lots of links, that took one second to find:
https://www.google.com/search?...
It mostly messed me up with either custom daemons I wrote that wanted to be autostarted - the initial workarounds required were then broken by further systemd updates, and some other kinda - normal apps...that either didn't update for this, or took awhile to start up, and fell afoul of systemd's "helpful" "we'll keep restarting this till it makes it" behavior (which may be gone, I dunno, I figured out enough of how things work to edit that timeout and write scripts for my stuff). /etc/fstab was broken, and if something failed to mount, then the system hung on shutdown trying to unmount what had never been mounted. The "don't do that, WONT_FIX" response was an insult, frankly. Now, like magic, that works again - obviously it was my fault all along for pointing out that doing nothing about it would have caused some months of downtime.
Mounting network shares in
And of course, I don't know what I'm doing with only a few decades of experience in the field. Insulting people isn't how you make friends, but evidently the people doing this don't care.
TightVNC server, oh boy. Finally solved that one using a variant of XDG autostart, but it took the user home one, not the system one, else endless loop. Conky - just had to give up on that one. I could go on for quite awhile. But it wasted my time, and gave me zero new benefit, and took away my choice, as many crucial apps now not only support it, but depend on it. While insulting me - like many of the pro-systemd comments on this thread. Yeah, that'll work. How about calling us deplorables, that'll win you favor every time. Oh, wait...
Almost as good as the "national security" magic spell they invoke when CP is too ridiculous. Oh, wait...
Read doesn't mean one query. That comeback tells me - and anyone who knows anything, you're the one who doesn't get it.
These guys have data on everyone in the financial system, worldwide - your'e off by ~ factor billion. A billion seconds is...work it out.
There are constantly errors people bitch about. Have you ever tried to get one fixed? Do you think they fix the ones no one even bitches about?
Ever rebuilt a raid array with 10 tb drives? Thousands of such, while staying online?
Consistency check thousands of such that have errors you have no reports of? While things are changing thousands of transactions/second?
Think that competing orgs are going to snapshot and share at their own cost because they are nice?
That it would even help, because there are already so many inconsistencies no one can sort it out quickly - and the additional evidence required takes time to get.
How about assuming that someone who has root access, which is usually assumed, can't munge the datestamps and logs,
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You might have a low ID, but that doesn't mean I have to believe things utterly contrary to my own real world experience just because you say them. It's pretty obvious you don't see the big picture here. OR simply wish to keep people believing that some agency that doesn't give a sh*t about you, but makes money off your data - actually both them and their customers control your life - can be trusted despite inability to do what they claim and huge amounts of evidence to the contrary. Sure, ID theft is easy to fix, everyone knows that right? Seems you're implying that. /sarc /flame
And what simplistic world view does it take to think a huge credit availability won't be used to borrow money that can be bet on winners, or for so long it doesn't matter about being paid back - shifting things around as is done in all big finance. See - Government, see any big corp with plenty of rolling debt on the books.
We all know the financial system doesn't admit of crime, or that one can't manipulate loans, bonds, go bankrupt as convenient and so forth...that's just impossible. As GM bondholders - or even some who held bonds let by companies our current leader set up. Give me a break. Believe what you want. Many people believed the banking system was fine till they lost their homes, many people thought the three letter agencies worked for our benefit till Snowden proved what many of us already guessed - and shadow brokers released some of their code used in attacks today...but nope, this is all easy bordering on trivial, and you just own that space, I get it. My nearly 50 years experience don't mean shit. Got it.
Yeah, I'm sure they conflict-check all the time, especially databases that take weeks to just read. And they never find discrepancies when they do that themselves, even in the absence of interference, overwhelm all ability to resolve....I'm not sure you understand the scale, here.
They're proposing a method by which the regulators can skim off the top, like the other stuff they pretend to regulate...Seems plenty of people lost their shirt in the 2007-8 crash on regulated investments, so that's a smoke screen.
Thanks, been saying the same for years myself - but as the idea that we've been effectively Fascist for quite awhile now offends a lot of people, saying it as directly as you just did doesn't get it across well - the people who most need to hear it rage-quit reading before their worldview gets messed with - they want simple, to blame it on maybe one guy they think they can get rid of, not complex and deeply embedded and hard to solve...
So I just drop hints...I think it works better.
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Now, it turns out I cannot register such an account, I can't create a sign-in, it just barfs. So I called the contact number, and after waiting the requisite few hours, I had a gov employee tell me that without a credit rating - I don't have one, don't use the credit system - I can't prove I'm myself, and can't have an online account with them - despite they know it's me and send me checks! Which is probably breaking some law about how the gov has to provide online access, but...nothing can be done, according to them (sorry, Joni Mitchell).
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This points out where the real power lies perhaps. A private company, collecting our data with no recourse - you can't opt out - has more power over government operations than...the government. Interesting. https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/
All you have to do to have no credit rating is not use any credit for 7+ years. You are then a ghost. Also interesting is that "no" credit rating is worse than a bad one! I had a dispute with Verizon some years ago - sold me a phone, no service in my area, wouldn't cancel - I wouldn't pay! They sold me off to a debt collection agency who threatened to screw up my rating. Net result - endless offers of credit from all and sundry due to now having a rating at all. Which is now long gone.
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Obviously you're not going to see this kind of story in the MSM. But it's true. Probably doesn't affect that many, but it was eye-opening for me.
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Ever notice how this possibility is never, ever mentioned? This dog ain't barking so loudly it's deafening. So, are both sides really that stupid, or is someone covering up something? I find the former hard to believe - once, maybe, but every single time this sort of thing happens?
And literacy. "There _is_ a lot of LLVM improvments". Why should I believe it's going to handle a set of very picky language specs if it can't speak English?
I suspect Trump will fire him as he's so unpopular he'll threaten Trump winning....I know I would, even if I agreed with Pai, which I don't - and Trump hasn't said.
Has responded by offering 10 day prime shipping in VA with no explanation at all - on in-stock prime items.