But it's the only new thing in any of the consoles. All the others are the same as their last offering, with slightly better graphics - Nintendo is the only company offering something new.
Yeah, and the only new thing about the PS2 & X-Box was the addition of a DVD player, while the Nintendo of that generation was the same as their previous offering, with slightly better graphics. So what?
The purpose of a console generation update is to provide more raw horsepower for the next generation of games. The games are what make consoles worth owning, not gimmicks.
if you think that's all nintendo offers, then you really shouldn't be participating in a console discussion.
Lighten up, Francis. For somebody who spends most of his time trolling on the Mac threads, you really don't have much of a sense of humor about it when it's your ox being gored.
Humans, like a very small few other species, have the capacity to adapt our environment to suit us, rather than the other way around.
That's hardly true. Many animals adapt their environment. Birds create nests, beavers create dams, etc. Even chimps are known to create and use tools (though that might not precisely qualify as `adapting one's environment'.)
That's three. I'll add spiders to your list. Now we've collectively come up with four. Okay, maybe several hundred, if you count each nesting species of bird separately.
Given the massive diversity of life, I'd say that tally fits the words "a very small few" almost perfectly. The vast majority of life on Earth is at the mercy of the elements, and that's where a great deal of evolutionary force comes from. Wipe out the weakest 95% of some species of sea turtle or something over the course of a few generations, and you just might end up with tough mother-fucker sea turtles.
True, but you didn't mention it under your PS3 column ("Nothing is here)
But nothing is here where the PS3 is concerned. There is no PS3 on the market yet. I wasn't making a point-by-point comparison of each console, so much as looking at the overall motivation for buying one at the moment.
I'm glad you enjoy GTA and Halo enough to make you want to buy a 360. But just because those are your favorite games doesn't mean that's the end of the console wars for the rest of us
I must have missed the part where I said I was speaking for the universe.
I'm just throwing in my $0.02 worth.
I'm a (very) casual gamer, and the 360 has finally sparked my interest, when it had utterly failed to do so back on Launch Day.
One person is hardly a statistically valid sample of general sentiment, but if my view of the 360 has changed, I might not be the only one who feels the same way.
Yeah, because that's what gets people excited about a new console. A controller.
I don't care if the Wii operates by wireless brain-wave scanning. It's still mainly going to be used to throw pastel mushrooms at cartoon dinosaurs. I'll pass, thanks.
Changes in the last 30 years will take our minds and bodies a long while adjust to.
Most of us have discovered this fantastic invention called "indoors."
I live in a state which is completely inhospitable to a naked, unsheltered human for almost half of the year.
My anscestors lived in far Northern Europe, where climates are similar, for thousands of years. Yet oddly, I was not born with a metabolism which is comfortable in sub-zero temperatures.
Fortunately for me, we've invented stuff which allows me to go on living without biologically adapting to the climate.
Adaptation by evolution is slow, painful, and deadly for generations. Adaptation by technology is what made frail hairless apes the dominant species on the planet.
Read the actual news and you'll see that the PS3 will also have GTA4. Microsoft was able to get exclusive downloadable content, not exclusive rights to the game.
The big news here is not that the exclusive content for the 360.
The big news is that it's coming out on the 360 at all. The last three GTA games were each PS2 exclusives for many months.
The expectation of GTA lock-out was the one barrier which has kept me from seriously considering the 360.
The X-Box exclusive DOA series is *almost* enough on its own to make me want a 360, and hopes for more HALO games also has me rather jazzed over it. My "wait and see" attitude has mostly been based on a fondness for GTA:III & GTA:VC, which were exclusive to the PS2 for about a year.
If Sony does not have the GTA series locked up in their stable, what is there left to wait and see? BluRay? The Wii controller?
You know what? Super Mario (fill in the blank) is coming out exclusively for the Nintendo (fill in the blank) and that is all I need. I'll probably not buy either the PS3 or the 360.
Gosh that sounds great. If you rake all the leaves this summer, maybe your mom will buy you the Nintendo. Good luck!
DOA4 is here DOAX2 is coming HALO 3 is coming GTA 4 is coming Madden for the 360 sucks.
It's finally reaching a point that I might think it's worth getting one.
PS3:
Nothing is here. The console itself if coming... eventually. Madden for the 360 sucks.
Wii: Nothing is here. The console is coming, but won't take advantage of my HDTV anyway. Madden for the 360 sucks.
Amid the 360 hype (from haters and fanboys alike), I've mostly been sitting on the side-lines to see what Sony and Nintendo would be offering before chosing which new-gen console (if any) I would buy. With this announcement, Rockstar has just made the decision a little bit easier for me.
In spite of Madden sucking, I'm leaning more and more towards the 360.
The end of evolution is only a Bad Thing if you consider the capacity to adapt to your environment to be some kind of moral win.
Humans, like a very small few other species, have the capacity to adapt our environment to suit us, rather than the other way around. No need to go through all that painful natural selection when we can build central heating, agriculture, and wheelchair ramps.
"should" and "must" are two very different concepts.
A lot of people should have a service provider upgrade their memory.
Then again, a lot of people should not attempt to do their own car brakes.
To restate: Changing the memory in a mini DOES NOT void your warranty. Not only is such a thing never stated by Apple, I know from actual, real-world experience that they still honor the warranty on home-upgraded minis.
I don't think I was reading too much into it at all. You said:
"Interestingly, it's more popular in the North America than it was in Japan. From what I recall, Martian Successor Nadesico beat it into the ground in Japan in terms of popularity, back when they were directly competing with each other."
One fact does not follow from the other.
Nadesico was bigger than Evangelion in Japan during their original run, but that doesn't mean that Evangelion was more popular here than it was over there. Quite the opposite is the case, in fact.
Both shows were massive runaway hits in Japan, while over here I would bet fewer than one person in 50 has any clue at all about what Neon Genesis Evangelion even is.
Yep. I also use Tivo as a verb, even though I'm actually using a Mac and EyeTV to record shows.
Living in a metro area, though, these people have no chance of getting my business anyway.
I mean, "South Park" and "The Colbert Report" are funny and all, but there just doesn't seem to be enough good stuff on cable/satelite TV to make it worth paying for.
I get House and Lost in glorious Hi-Def for free. I get Doctor Who off usenet, months ahead of the Sci Fi channel. Battlestar Galactica & The Sopranos eventually come out on DVD.
Plus, buying or renting DVDs of my favorite anime shows means being able to watch them with their original voice casts, instead of putting up with the crappy dubs you get on Adult Swim, the Anime Channel, etc.
If I lived out in the sticks, where over-the-air HD was not an option, I could *maybe* see paying for the privilige of tuning in TV, but as it stands it's almost as pointless as XM radio.
True, any amateur can try, but apple will void your warranty if they found out you opened your mini.
No, they won't. You are either badly misinfomed or else you are just spreading FUD.
I have a mini, ordered the day they were introduced, and I upgraded the memory myself as soon as it arrived. I also swapped out the hard drive for a 7200 RPM one a few months later.
The 1-year warranty remained 100% valid. (Although, obviously the 3rd-party items I installed are not covered by AppleCare.) I didn't buy the extended warranty, so I believe it just ran out last month.
The mini is very easy to open. The little clips are not nearly as brittle as the FUD-meisters would have you believe. They bend away and/or snap out with no damage at all.
I found the tricky part to be getting it to close back up correctly. You gotta line up the airport antenna just right, then get all those little plastic clips clipped back in while lining up this little pad with the back panel. Took me 2 or 3 attempts the first time I did it.
The only reason there's a d20 CoC is because 90% of the gaming market REFUSES to even look at a game without a d20 logo. The BRP system (the underlying rules for CoC) is one of the most elegant rules system out there. Easy, simple, effect, generic. It most definitely is not crap.
Having spent many, many long years playing the origingal CoC rules (going back many years before d20 even existed), I'm afraid we will just have to agree to disagree. I find it to be a very clumsy, poorly designed system which was only invented because, in the days before Open Gaming Licenses, a company could not create a roleplaying game without first re-inventing the wheel and producing their own systems of basic mechanics.
I'm positive that the creators of CoC, if they could have, would have loved to have skipped over all the statistics and dice rules and simply focuses on what makes CoC great: Story and setting.
I know a guy who has spent six months trying to squeeze a low-fantasy realistic medieval setting into the d20 rules.
Your friend must not be very good at it, then. I've done it, and it's INCREDIBLY easy.
Hell, IIRC, the Core Rules even have published guides for stripping arcane and/or divine magic out of your campaign, including rules for a no-magic paladin and a no-magic ranger. You're just flat out wrong about it being hard to adapt to a more realistic setting.
That's stereotyping, to be sure, but it's a stereotype that fits.
Gosh, I wonder why I called you a snob earlier... Could it be because of THAT kind of attitude?
Lain is only a mindf--- if you try to make sense of it.
What are you talking about??? Lain makes perfect sense!
I can't really explain why without providing spoilers though. You'll just have to wiki it or something if you didn't grock the resolution of the story.
When it comes down to it, all Lain seems to be about is your standard teenage lack of identity which seems to run a lot more rampent in places like Japan where so many people have to live so confined.
I could see how it could seem like that's all it's about, but the stream runs a little deeper. You might want to revisit the series. I think you may enjoy some of the revelations more the next time around.
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But it's the only new thing in any of the consoles. All the others are the same as their last offering, with slightly better graphics - Nintendo is the only company offering something new.
Yeah, and the only new thing about the PS2 & X-Box was the addition of a DVD player, while the Nintendo of that generation was the same as their previous offering, with slightly better graphics. So what?
The purpose of a console generation update is to provide more raw horsepower for the next generation of games. The games are what make consoles worth owning, not gimmicks.
if you think that's all nintendo offers, then you really shouldn't be participating in a console discussion.
Lighten up, Francis. For somebody who spends most of his time trolling on the Mac threads, you really don't have much of a sense of humor about it when it's your ox being gored.
Humans, like a very small few other species, have the capacity to adapt our environment to suit us, rather than the other way around.
That's hardly true. Many animals adapt their environment. Birds create nests, beavers create dams, etc. Even chimps are known to create and use tools (though that might not precisely qualify as `adapting one's environment'.)
That's three. I'll add spiders to your list. Now we've collectively come up with four. Okay, maybe several hundred, if you count each nesting species of bird separately.
Given the massive diversity of life, I'd say that tally fits the words "a very small few" almost perfectly. The vast majority of life on Earth is at the mercy of the elements, and that's where a great deal of evolutionary force comes from. Wipe out the weakest 95% of some species of sea turtle or something over the course of a few generations, and you just might end up with tough mother-fucker sea turtles.
Um. Okay. I was under the impression you were trying to contradict me. If we are in agreement, then it's a win.
Man needs not evolve. Evolution is for those who can't adjust the thermostat.
True, but you didn't mention it under your PS3 column ("Nothing is here)
But nothing is here where the PS3 is concerned. There is no PS3 on the market yet. I wasn't making a point-by-point comparison of each console, so much as looking at the overall motivation for buying one at the moment.
I'm glad you enjoy GTA and Halo enough to make you want to buy a 360. But just because those are your favorite games doesn't mean that's the end of the console wars for the rest of us
I must have missed the part where I said I was speaking for the universe.
I'm just throwing in my $0.02 worth.
I'm a (very) casual gamer, and the 360 has finally sparked my interest, when it had utterly failed to do so back on Launch Day.
One person is hardly a statistically valid sample of general sentiment, but if my view of the 360 has changed, I might not be the only one who feels the same way.
Yeah, because that's what gets people excited about a new console. A controller.
I don't care if the Wii operates by wireless brain-wave scanning. It's still mainly going to be used to throw pastel mushrooms at cartoon dinosaurs. I'll pass, thanks.
Thanks for being the only person on all of goddamned slashdot to take my lighthearted post in the spirit in which it was intended.
Holy Giant Robots With Guns, some people seriously need to work on getting a sense of humor!
Changes in the last 30 years will take our minds and bodies a long while adjust to.
Most of us have discovered this fantastic invention called "indoors."
I live in a state which is completely inhospitable to a naked, unsheltered human for almost half of the year.
My anscestors lived in far Northern Europe, where climates are similar, for thousands of years. Yet oddly, I was not born with a metabolism which is comfortable in sub-zero temperatures.
Fortunately for me, we've invented stuff which allows me to go on living without biologically adapting to the climate.
Adaptation by evolution is slow, painful, and deadly for generations. Adaptation by technology is what made frail hairless apes the dominant species on the planet.
Read the actual news and you'll see that the PS3 will also have GTA4. Microsoft was able to get exclusive downloadable content, not exclusive rights to the game.
The big news here is not that the exclusive content for the 360.
The big news is that it's coming out on the 360 at all. The last three GTA games were each PS2 exclusives for many months.
The expectation of GTA lock-out was the one barrier which has kept me from seriously considering the 360.
The X-Box exclusive DOA series is *almost* enough on its own to make me want a 360, and hopes for more HALO games also has me rather jazzed over it. My "wait and see" attitude has mostly been based on a fondness for GTA:III & GTA:VC, which were exclusive to the PS2 for about a year.
If Sony does not have the GTA series locked up in their stable, what is there left to wait and see? BluRay? The Wii controller?
You know what? Super Mario (fill in the blank) is coming out exclusively for the Nintendo (fill in the blank) and that is all I need. I'll probably not buy either the PS3 or the 360.
Gosh that sounds great. If you rake all the leaves this summer, maybe your mom will buy you the Nintendo. Good luck!
nice touches if your so rich you toss cash at games
If you're not "rich" enough for X-Box Live, you probably can't afford either a 360 or a PS3 anyway.
Go buy a used gamecube from the pawnshop.
Or better yet, go find a job.
X-Box 360:
DOA4 is here
DOAX2 is coming
HALO 3 is coming
GTA 4 is coming
Madden for the 360 sucks.
It's finally reaching a point that I might think it's worth getting one.
PS3:
Nothing is here.
The console itself if coming... eventually.
Madden for the 360 sucks.
Wii:
Nothing is here.
The console is coming, but won't take advantage of my HDTV anyway.
Madden for the 360 sucks.
Amid the 360 hype (from haters and fanboys alike), I've mostly been sitting on the side-lines to see what Sony and Nintendo would be offering before chosing which new-gen console (if any) I would buy. With this announcement, Rockstar has just made the decision a little bit easier for me.
In spite of Madden sucking, I'm leaning more and more towards the 360.
The end of evolution is only a Bad Thing if you consider the capacity to adapt to your environment to be some kind of moral win.
Humans, like a very small few other species, have the capacity to adapt our environment to suit us, rather than the other way around. No need to go through all that painful natural selection when we can build central heating, agriculture, and wheelchair ramps.
Why that's positively unscientific!
I dunno. It sounds truthy.
"should" and "must" are two very different concepts.
A lot of people should have a service provider upgrade their memory.
Then again, a lot of people should not attempt to do their own car brakes.
To restate: Changing the memory in a mini DOES NOT void your warranty. Not only is such a thing never stated by Apple, I know from actual, real-world experience that they still honor the warranty on home-upgraded minis.
If the original white cover D&D was so bloody perfect...
You obviously haven't paid attention to a single fucking word I said, beyond the fact that I was critical of your precious CoC system.
Any further conversation is therefore pointless. Have a nice day.
I don't think I was reading too much into it at all. You said:
"Interestingly, it's more popular in the North America than it was in Japan. From what I recall, Martian Successor Nadesico beat it into the ground in Japan in terms of popularity, back when they were directly competing with each other."
One fact does not follow from the other.
Nadesico was bigger than Evangelion in Japan during their original run, but that doesn't mean that Evangelion was more popular here than it was over there. Quite the opposite is the case, in fact.
Both shows were massive runaway hits in Japan, while over here I would bet fewer than one person in 50 has any clue at all about what Neon Genesis Evangelion even is.
Most Japanese dont even like that pit of otaku depravity
For a hated pit of depravity, it was awfully crowded.
Besides, all the best Wretched Hives of Scum and Villany are over in Roppongi. ^_~
Yep. I also use Tivo as a verb, even though I'm actually using a Mac and EyeTV to record shows.
Living in a metro area, though, these people have no chance of getting my business anyway.
I mean, "South Park" and "The Colbert Report" are funny and all, but there just doesn't seem to be enough good stuff on cable/satelite TV to make it worth paying for.
I get House and Lost in glorious Hi-Def for free.
I get Doctor Who off usenet, months ahead of the Sci Fi channel.
Battlestar Galactica & The Sopranos eventually come out on DVD.
Plus, buying or renting DVDs of my favorite anime shows means being able to watch them with their original voice casts, instead of putting up with the crappy dubs you get on Adult Swim, the Anime Channel, etc.
If I lived out in the sticks, where over-the-air HD was not an option, I could *maybe* see paying for the privilige of tuning in TV, but as it stands it's almost as pointless as XM radio.
True, any amateur can try, but apple will void your warranty if they found out you opened your mini.
No, they won't. You are either badly misinfomed or else you are just spreading FUD.
I have a mini, ordered the day they were introduced, and I upgraded the memory myself as soon as it arrived. I also swapped out the hard drive for a 7200 RPM one a few months later.
The 1-year warranty remained 100% valid. (Although, obviously the 3rd-party items I installed are not covered by AppleCare.) I didn't buy the extended warranty, so I believe it just ran out last month.
The mini is very easy to open. The little clips are not nearly as brittle as the FUD-meisters would have you believe. They bend away and/or snap out with no damage at all.
I found the tricky part to be getting it to close back up correctly. You gotta line up the airport antenna just right, then get all those little plastic clips clipped back in while lining up this little pad with the back panel. Took me 2 or 3 attempts the first time I did it.
The only reason there's a d20 CoC is because 90% of the gaming market REFUSES to even look at a game without a d20 logo. The BRP system (the underlying rules for CoC) is one of the most elegant rules system out there. Easy, simple, effect, generic. It most definitely is not crap.
Having spent many, many long years playing the origingal CoC rules (going back many years before d20 even existed), I'm afraid we will just have to agree to disagree. I find it to be a very clumsy, poorly designed system which was only invented because, in the days before Open Gaming Licenses, a company could not create a roleplaying game without first re-inventing the wheel and producing their own systems of basic mechanics.
I'm positive that the creators of CoC, if they could have, would have loved to have skipped over all the statistics and dice rules and simply focuses on what makes CoC great: Story and setting.
I know a guy who has spent six months trying to squeeze a low-fantasy realistic medieval setting into the d20 rules.
Your friend must not be very good at it, then. I've done it, and it's INCREDIBLY easy.
Hell, IIRC, the Core Rules even have published guides for stripping arcane and/or divine magic out of your campaign, including rules for a no-magic paladin and a no-magic ranger. You're just flat out wrong about it being hard to adapt to a more realistic setting.
That's stereotyping, to be sure, but it's a stereotype that fits.
Gosh, I wonder why I called you a snob earlier... Could it be because of THAT kind of attitude?
You are linking to the "Remix" disks, not the "Best Sessions" disks I was talking about, but thanks for playing.
I havent seen Twin Peaks so I wouldnt know but I think I know where you're going, there are genuine good animes out there...
But now you got my interest, I'll find out more about Twin Peaks.
The first fact you don't seem to know about Twin Peaks:
It's not an anime. The grandparent post was citing an example of a high-quality American TV show.
Personally, I would have trotted out "Lost", since it's a currently running show which is also quite clever and interesting.
Lain is only a mindf--- if you try to make sense of it.
What are you talking about??? Lain makes perfect sense!
I can't really explain why without providing spoilers though. You'll just have to wiki it or something if you didn't grock the resolution of the story.
When it comes down to it, all Lain seems to be about is your standard teenage lack of identity which seems to run a lot more rampent in places like Japan where so many people have to live so confined.
I could see how it could seem like that's all it's about, but the stream runs a little deeper. You might want to revisit the series. I think you may enjoy some of the revelations more the next time around.