I found it quite amusing that so many Libertarians were outraged by this. Let's assume for a second that not everyone is as 'intelligent' as you, and, believe it or not, they could possibly make a mistake. Of all the things sold on the internet, drugs are probably the riskiest. It's unlikely that reading too much of that book from amazon will kill you, nor will listening to track 1 on repeat from a cd do too much damage, however, taking as little as 50% more of the medication you've been prescribed can. It's all well and good to believe that we deserve certain freedoms; I do too, but keep in mind that not everyone has the requisite knowledge to make use of freedoms. To put it another way, a lot of people *think* they can handle firearms, maybe some of them do, but the number of accidental shootings in the US is ridiculous. Obviously, people have trouble dealing with too much freedom on occaison.
Actually, they tried really hard for us to get in, apparently, if it was a small number (~50) it would have been okay, but because around 200 of us Canadians were developing stuff, a lot of people got letters and our brain-dead government didn't allow the trading.
The Canadian government prevented me from buying my shares. I was prepared to pay $31x100 US, and I would have made, well, around $27,000 US. Well. Thanks to my government, I am unable to participate. I have never been so angry with this country. Time to take up anarchism. Someone find me a rock.
Ok, Mr.Salesman, explain this to me. I buy this player. It has slightly better audio quality, so I can now hear the limitations of the studio where it was recorded. Sounds great! Oh, and I won't be able to use my car stereo, discman, or computer to play it? Even better! And if I manage to get a drive that can read it into my computer, I won't be able to even LISTEN to the music I own unless I run Windows? Oh, sign me up!
First of all, I don't see independant labels (the ones who produce the most important music anyway) moving to multi-million dollar studios to record something, and I don't see any real value in the added quality. Not so much that I'd want to fsck myself for it. Count me out.
Actually, most of the problems with encryption stem from our trade agreements with the US. If not for NAFTA, there would be no restrictions period. Because of it, there are commercial restrictions, but things like OpenBSD can be exported without issue.
the United States has to be completely insane. Treason? I mean, that is considered the most horrible crime in a country. In Canada, encryption is all but unregulated. Why do you think OpenBSD is developed here instead of the US? Your government has begun to persue an effective strategy for removing all the smartest, and most productive people from society.
Why? It seems fairly obvious that the Slashdot-effect went wrong. When does it go right? Even for the best purposes, it often crashes or overloads servers. Obviously, I read Slashdot, so don't jump down my neck, but I think the Slashdot-effect on a website is always a bad thing... at least for the systems administrator.
I have to agree with some of the other postings here. Why sendmail? It's high profile, that I understand, but it's a huge dinosaur with plenty of legacy code and various issues too numerous to mention. There are modern mailers like postfix and exim, which are both GPLed, and provide a fast, stable alternative. I also like qmail, but it has a weird license which makes modifications a little difficult (author has to approve all of them, which could take a millenia if RedHat puts its people behind it.)
I'm going to get moderated all to hell for this but people, give it a rest. Not every action by every corporation is an afront on your freedom. Once in awhile, legal people have to do legal stuff. Businesses' (i.e. the people who make money) have to protect themselves from the leecherous lawsuit-happy people who make up the United States. No one is trying to prevent you from doing anything. So grow up. And relax a little. Once in awhile, a company has to safeguard it's own ass.
Ouch. I just recompiled 2.2.13, and while the kernel went built cleanly, the new bttv drivers barfed all over my computer. The number of errors was just mortifying. Lots and lots of "dereferencing pointers to incomplete types", implicit declaration warnings, and undeclared variables.
I just used the same makefile from 2.2.12, is there some new weirdness in this kernel? Doh.
The reason WinCE is failing, and will fail is simple. Unlike Palm, which got a clue a long time ago, people don't want a replacement for their desktop machine. It's ridiculous to try. On the other hand, my Pilot stores the important stuff I need between visits to my PC. The Pilot is small, light and does what it needs fast. WinCE, on the other hand seems to run on grossly oversized handhelds (the Nino is just massive) and the Windows interface just doesn't work well in a small setup, not to mention the complete lack of applications, which is weird since for some stuff it's just a question of selecting a build target in Visual Studio.... but I digress...
The Palm is open, it's efficient, and it works. It's PDA. WinCE is just a tiny, crappy computer.
I discussed this with a member of the stampede linux project once before. It seemed like a great feature to add to our distribution. We were slightly worried about the AFPL, which is similar to the original QT license. Luckily, we're not constrained by the same guidelines as Debian, and can provide this, but I am more concerned about this product. Can someone give a better explanation of the APSL license so we can figure out how or if to include it?
The relevant clause is this: CUPS is available under the terms of the Aladdin Free Public License, which means that it is basically free except for commercial distribution.(1)
Does that mean that Cheapbytes wouldn't be able to sell a Stampede CD that contained it? If so, this is going to have a hard time being accepted in the major distros.
(1) I don't think this is the legal text, but the jist, as provided by cups.org
I'll probably get moderated like crazy, but let me say this. Everyone has an equal opportunity to contribute, everyone is encouraged equally. Linus said it best "show me the code" No excuses should be made.
Women are just as capable of doing this kind of stuff, if there are less of them doing it, it's because they don't want to. Not because society says so.
Don't make excuses. If you don't want to contribute because you're male, female, purple, or pink, I don't care. No one cares, when it comes down to it, what matters is what you DO. Not your reasons for not doing it.
In regards to the people complaining about Corel not being open source, etc. This closed license is SPECIFIC to this being a beta test. Even the XFree86 team closes off their source for development. Public betas are not guaranteed under the constitution, so relax. They may release source when they're ready, but for stuff they wrote themselves, it's really at their discretion.
Until the final is released, chill out.Try and remember that this is not a Linux-only company, they have a lot of policies that will have to adapt to our ways, but let's give them some time (and then, if need be, freak out:)
Just because people think Back Orifice = Virus, or Back Orifice = trojan, or even that Back Orifice = rootkit, I thought I should explain that it is none of the three. It posseses none of the characteristics of a virus, trojan or rootkit. (It can be PART of a trojan, it can be used to implement a rootkit) In reality it's only a remote control system, not unlike PCAnywhere. It just happens to be stealthy.
I don't remember talking about what I'd RATHER do. I was talking about the legal fact. Legally intent is a major part, but not the only part of the law. Attempted murder carries less than a third of the sentence of actual murder. Less than manslaughter even. We can all prefer whatever we wish, but I was talking strictly about the law.
If I was Mr.Naughton's attorney's, I wouldn't be at all concerned. The FBI has cornerned themselves. The complete basis for the arrest, and in turn, the case, is the DEFENDANT's mind.
They have to prove that he was aware of the fact that the individual was in fact thirteen. It's one thing to prove an actual crime, but considering all they have (at best) is intent, and at worst, they can't even prove that he didn't know that the individual was older.
Unless they can conclusively prove that he was fully aware of her age (something impossible, considering he didn't know that it was an FBI agent) -- in effect, they'd have to prove that he did know, what he couldn't possibly know.
(Just for the record, I'm not defending his intentions, but legally.... )
Suffice to say, this benefits everyone. Personally, I run GNOME for the look and feel, and the interface, but there are some nice KDE applications. The fact that they run is nice enough:) Interoperability is the holy grail because it stifles the argument about incompatible development. You don't like Gnumeric? Use KSpread! You don't want the kde file manager? Use gmc. It works out beautifully. With theming support for KDE, even the widgets will (in theory) look similar, we'll be able to draw upon the efforts of both KDE and GNOME developers and have a unified desktop.
Anyone who says this is a waste of time, is severely lacking in the 'big picture' department.
It's a bit more complicated than that. The main instability in Linux systems comes from mismatched USER-SPACE applications. Redhat 6.0 crashes a lot because the system has been configured in an unstable fashion.
I run Stampede with glibc-2.1.1, kernel 2.2.10, and it never crashes. period. I've had similar experiences with Debian Potato. Bad packaging can ruin a stable system.
In the sense that xBSD has a tighter leash, it might appear more stable, but carefully choosing your distribution will result in an equally stable machine.
Compared to the BSD article, Slashdot users have provided both sides. There may be more Linux supporters, but we've never had the chip on our shoulders that xBSD users have had. Enjoy your OS, license and politics. We'll just write software, and you guys feel free to port it.
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I found it quite amusing that so many Libertarians were outraged by this. Let's assume for a second that not everyone is as 'intelligent' as you, and, believe it or not, they could possibly make a mistake. Of all the things sold on the internet, drugs are probably the riskiest. It's unlikely that reading too much of that book from amazon will kill you, nor will listening to track 1 on repeat from a cd do too much damage, however, taking as little as 50% more of the medication you've been prescribed can.
It's all well and good to believe that we deserve certain freedoms; I do too, but keep in mind that not everyone has the requisite knowledge to make use of freedoms.
To put it another way, a lot of people *think* they can handle firearms, maybe some of them do, but the number of accidental shootings in the US is ridiculous. Obviously, people have trouble dealing with too much freedom on occaison.
Actually, they tried really hard for us to get in, apparently, if it was a small number (~50) it would have been okay, but because around 200 of us Canadians were developing stuff, a lot of people got letters and our brain-dead government didn't allow the trading.
The Canadian government prevented me from buying my shares. I was prepared to pay $31x100 US, and I would have made, well, around $27,000 US. Well. Thanks to my government, I am unable to participate. I have never been so angry with this country. Time to take up anarchism. Someone find me a rock.
Ok, Mr.Salesman, explain this to me. I buy this player. It has slightly better audio quality, so I can now hear the limitations of the studio where it was recorded. Sounds great! Oh, and I won't be able to use my car stereo, discman, or computer to play it? Even better! And if I manage to get a drive that can read it into my computer, I won't be able to even LISTEN to the music I own unless I run Windows? Oh, sign me up!
First of all, I don't see independant labels (the ones who produce the most important music anyway) moving to multi-million dollar studios to record something, and I don't see any real value in the added quality. Not so much that I'd want to fsck myself for it. Count me out.
Let's see, Weezer + Happy Days, countless of among of the best of the best skateboard videos, and now this. How could anyone even doubt it?
Actually, most of the problems with encryption stem from our trade agreements with the US. If not for NAFTA, there would be no restrictions period. Because of it, there are commercial restrictions, but things like OpenBSD can be exported without issue.
the United States has to be completely insane. Treason? I mean, that is considered the most horrible crime in a country. In Canada, encryption is all but unregulated. Why do you think OpenBSD is developed here instead of the US? Your government has begun to persue an effective strategy for removing all the smartest, and most productive people from society.
Why? It seems fairly obvious that the Slashdot-effect went wrong. When does it go right? Even for the best purposes, it often crashes or overloads servers. Obviously, I read Slashdot, so don't jump down my neck, but I think the Slashdot-effect on a website is always a bad thing... at least for the systems administrator.
I have to agree with some of the other postings here. Why sendmail? It's high profile, that I understand, but it's a huge dinosaur with plenty of legacy code and various issues too numerous to mention. There are modern mailers like postfix and exim, which are both GPLed, and provide a fast, stable alternative. I also like qmail, but it has a weird license which makes modifications a little difficult (author has to approve all of them, which could take a millenia if RedHat puts its people behind it.)
I'm going to get moderated all to hell for this but people, give it a rest. Not every action by every corporation is an afront on your freedom. Once in awhile, legal people have to do legal stuff. Businesses' (i.e. the people who make money) have to protect themselves from the leecherous lawsuit-happy people who make up the United States. No one is trying to prevent you from doing anything. So grow up. And relax a little.
Once in awhile, a company has to safeguard it's own ass.
whoops, probably should have mentioned that. That and glibc-2.1.2, and pgcc-1.1.3 :)
Ouch. I just recompiled 2.2.13, and while the kernel went built cleanly, the new bttv drivers barfed all over my computer. The number of errors was just mortifying. Lots and lots of "dereferencing pointers to incomplete types", implicit declaration warnings, and undeclared variables.
I just used the same makefile from 2.2.12, is there some new weirdness in this kernel? Doh.
The reason WinCE is failing, and will fail is simple. Unlike Palm, which got a clue a long time ago, people don't want a replacement for their desktop machine. It's ridiculous to try. On the other hand, my Pilot stores the important stuff I need between visits to my PC. The Pilot is small, light and does what it needs fast. WinCE, on the other hand seems to run on grossly oversized handhelds (the Nino is just massive) and the Windows interface just doesn't work well in a small setup, not to mention the complete lack of applications, which is weird since for some stuff it's just a question of selecting a build target in Visual Studio.... but I digress...
The Palm is open, it's efficient, and it works. It's PDA. WinCE is just a tiny, crappy computer.
I discussed this with a member of the stampede linux project once before. It seemed like a great feature to add to our distribution. We were slightly worried about the AFPL, which is similar to the original QT license. Luckily, we're not constrained by the same guidelines as Debian, and can provide this, but I am more concerned about this product. Can someone give a better explanation of the APSL license so we can figure out how or if to include it?
The relevant clause is this:
CUPS is available under the terms of the Aladdin Free Public License, which means that it is basically free except for commercial distribution.(1)
Does that mean that Cheapbytes wouldn't be able to sell a Stampede CD that contained it? If so, this is going to have a hard time being accepted in the major distros.
(1) I don't think this is the legal text, but the jist, as provided by cups.org
I'll probably get moderated like crazy, but let me say this. Everyone has an equal opportunity to contribute, everyone is encouraged equally. Linus said it best "show me the code" No excuses should be made.
Women are just as capable of doing this kind of stuff, if there are less of them doing it, it's because they don't want to. Not because society says so.
Don't make excuses. If you don't want to contribute because you're male, female, purple, or pink, I don't care. No one cares, when it comes down to it, what matters is what you DO. Not your reasons for not doing it.
In regards to the people complaining about Corel not being open source, etc. This closed license is SPECIFIC to this being a beta test. Even the XFree86 team closes off their source for development. Public betas are not guaranteed under the constitution, so relax. They may release source when they're ready, but for stuff they wrote themselves, it's really at their discretion.
:)
Until the final is released, chill out.Try and remember that this is not a Linux-only company, they have a lot of policies that will have to adapt to our ways, but let's give them some time (and then, if need be, freak out
Just because people think Back Orifice = Virus, or Back Orifice = trojan, or even that Back Orifice = rootkit, I thought I should explain that it is none of the three. It posseses none of the characteristics of a virus, trojan or rootkit. (It can be PART of a trojan, it can be used to implement a rootkit) In reality it's only a remote control system, not unlike PCAnywhere. It just happens to be stealthy.
I don't remember talking about what I'd RATHER do. I was talking about the legal fact. Legally intent is a major part, but not the only part of the law. Attempted murder carries less than a third of the sentence of actual murder. Less than manslaughter even. We can all prefer whatever we wish, but I was talking strictly about the law.
If I was Mr.Naughton's attorney's, I wouldn't be at all concerned. The FBI has cornerned themselves. The complete basis for the arrest, and in turn, the case, is the DEFENDANT's mind.
They have to prove that he was aware of the fact that the individual was in fact thirteen. It's one thing to prove an actual crime, but considering all they have (at best) is intent, and at worst, they can't even prove that he didn't know that the individual was older.
Unless they can conclusively prove that he was fully aware of her age (something impossible, considering he didn't know that it was an FBI agent) -- in effect, they'd have to prove that he did know, what he couldn't possibly know.
(Just for the record, I'm not defending his intentions, but legally.... )
Nice try, whizkid. Legally, you'd be charged with ATTEMPTED murder... a lesser offense. The key element of the crime, is actually performing the act.
Specifically, I meant that the ORIGINAL (Metcalfe) article was posted minutes before I submitted it to Slashdot many days ago.
Suffice to say, this benefits everyone. Personally, I run GNOME for the look and feel, and the interface, but there are some nice KDE applications. The fact that they run is nice enough :) Interoperability is the holy grail because it stifles the argument about incompatible development. You don't like Gnumeric? Use KSpread! You don't want the kde file manager? Use gmc. It works out beautifully. With theming support for KDE, even the widgets will (in theory) look similar, we'll be able to draw upon the efforts of both KDE and GNOME developers and have a unified desktop.
Anyone who says this is a waste of time, is severely lacking in the 'big picture' department.
It's a bit more complicated than that. The main instability in Linux systems comes from mismatched USER-SPACE applications. Redhat 6.0 crashes a lot because the system has been configured in an unstable fashion.
I run Stampede with glibc-2.1.1, kernel 2.2.10, and it never crashes. period. I've had similar experiences with Debian Potato. Bad packaging can ruin a stable system.
In the sense that xBSD has a tighter leash, it might appear more stable, but carefully choosing your distribution will result in an equally stable machine.
Compared to the BSD article, Slashdot users have provided both sides. There may be more Linux supporters, but we've never had the chip on our shoulders that xBSD users have had. Enjoy your OS, license and politics. We'll just write software, and you guys feel free to port it.
read that darn subject.