How many people using Solaris during the days when Sun existed installed it on generic x86 or x86 all? By the time Solaris ran on x86 Sun often had reasonably priced rack servers say Dell + 30% for the same quality. I don't think I've ever used Solaris or SunOS on non Sun equipment and I've used a lot of Solaris and SunOS.
Good to hear. Than as an aside, since I assume you use a big screen sometimes... How does the HD digital AV adapter connect? It seems like the connection to the computer is smaller than the hole on the surface?
I don't think it will get more than 5% tops. But 5% is a ton. 1% and Microsoft will likely be quite satisfied. As I said I'm a Mac guy. I got it at WPC but owning a $1k laptop is a secondary is a niche consumer. My retina is a niche product too.
and in a classic chicken or the egg problem they aren't gonna spend the crazy money for a touch focused UI rebuild when less than 2% of PCs on the planet have touch capability.
Figures I'm seeing 6% of laptops are now touch enabled. And Microsoft is going to keep that figure going up. And as we both know they can do that if they want to.
I'm not saying the Helix is a ripoff. Agree with what you wrote as far as specifics. I was just saying don't compare $1k and $2k laptops directly. You get a lot more for $2k.
What do TV ads have to do with, "iOS doesn't allow making Opera Mini or the various WebKit wrappers the default browser"? That statement simply isn't true. iOS allows it. Apple allows it. The consumer version in the default configuration doesn't allow it.
How is having other-than-Apple or other-than-Microsoft as an individual's enterprise provider an economical alternative to what competitors are offering?
Individuals who want to modify system behaviors who are not Apple developers shouldn't be buying Apple products. No one is claiming that Android doesn't allow more freedom.
I know iOS doesn't allow making Opera Mini or the various WebKit wrappers the default browser.
We've talked about this. Having Apple as your enterprise provider doesn't allow that. iOS allows it just fine. Developers (developer SDK) / system admins (Enterprise or University SDK) are allowed to change default behaviors.
Does Windows RT allow making Firefox the default browser such that if an application starts an "open web page in a browser" intent, it'll open in Firefox instead of the built-in IE?
No idea. But Firefox doesn't fully support RT yet. So it is a bit early to accuse Microsoft of not allowing this. My point is let's at least wait until Firefox has a meaningful RT browser and get's turned down before accusing Microsoft of not supporting it.
I agree with you X11 in theory could be designed to work better with WANs. I also agree that NX has somewhat demonstrated that. Your comment about toolkit authors focusing on locally is interesting. But I don't think that unusual. I think ultimately though that
a) Local b) LAN c) WAN
require often opposite optimizations. If Wayland takes over the local case X11, freed from having to worry about local at all might be able to become a far better WAN protocol. I just think it is unlikely that what works well for (a) should work well for (c) and visa versa. If I have 100ms I want to buffer to make sure I don't have to fetch again. If I have.1ns latency I want to fetch again and avoid the expense of the copy involved in buffering.
(b) which is X11's sweet spot is a very rare use case in 2013.
With a removable keyboard, yes. It is a good one and Windows 8 makes it work quite well.
And while you may like it I wouldn't count on it getting updated for long, just look at how MSFT fucked the WinPhone 7 early adopters by refusing to port WinPhone 8 thus leaving them on a platform with very few apps and already as good as abandoned.
I'd assume it gets updated through the life of Windows 8. I think it will be a long time till Windows 9 only applications are common. Remember I'm a mac guy. I'm used to forced upgrades. I don't expect to get more than 4 years from my retina (though it will probably sell for 40% of what I paid after 4 yrears) , and that was a lot more money.
With Surface RT all you have is a system that runs less than iPhone and Android and for a higher price and with less battery life since WinRT doesn't support the tegra 3 fifth core
Surface RT is a different can of worms since it doesn't run Windows x86 applications at all. I like the Pro because it can switch from just being a tablet to being a bad laptop. Cut that off entirely and tablet part has to carry much more weight. On the other hand I was pleasantly surprised how well my iPad went with my iPhone, I suspect for owners of Windows Phone the RT might be a good tablet. And I'm of the opinion that for Windows owners, Windows phone is quite good.
as well as sidekick and Kin
Sidekick was a server disaster. I can't blame that on sales problems. As far as Kin, that was more of a Verizon / Microsoft issue. I don't think it is quite the same thing. Releasing it in the first place after Verizon was no longer interested in the subsidy might have been slimy.
That depends on the application. The applications has to be able to accept RDP as a shell and then the "alternative shell" commend from Windows allows it to open in RDP as a single applications.
\Unix programs using RDP, even today, have never had that problem because they expect to run in different shells. So until GNOME apps absolutely positively won't run in anything but Gnome, or KDE apps absolutely won't run in anything but KDE we should be fine.
Because it is the same approach and Mir is further along. Wayland isn't at the benchmarking phase yet they are still getting stuff to work at all.
What is your damage? Why it works in theory is clear. Microsoft, Apple and early systems show how well it works in practice. Mir proves it works well in practice for Unix. You want good quality benchmarks of well know Unix apps running on both X11 and Wayland wait till 2016 or so.
I don't know your clients, but in general they are rather ignorant if they don't even take SQL Server BI seriously. That's not to say there aren't ignorant clients out there, there are plenty and there is no question that Oracle / DB2 are way better if
a) cost isn't a major factor b) performance really matters c) you have a dedicated DBA team
but I'll stand by what I said. As for why invest in a declining market... That declining market still sells 300m desktops per year. If it continues to decline by 6% per year every year till 2040 you are still looking at 37m desktops per year sold and those will all be high margin customers willing to pay a lot. Microsoft could easily be charging them $!00-1000 per OS license.
What browser that is functional for Surface RT (i.e. has full touch support...) has been banned? I haven't heard that Surface RT has a policy against other browsers.
As for Bing integration no question it is part of Windows 8, and is going to grow as part of Windows 8. There are some amazing Windows 8 specific features and the direction is going to be more platform specific stuff. That being said Google has a search app and it is allowed.
What do you mean by "proper browser"? Safari on iPad is rather good. There was more diversity in approach recently, for example Opera which used a server based approach for browsing but the diversity is collapsing. Supposedly Apple has been trying to get Microsoft to port a Trident browser over, but that's rumor mill. In think you need to be more nuanced.
As for Windows... right now Firefox is the only one out with even a beta of a plausible touch oriented browser for RT. Let's wait till Microsoft at least does the crime.
I like the FSF but I always felt that this campaign because it oversimplified the issues crossed the line into outright fraud. Far too many statements on defective by design are simply false.
There were about 120m tablets sold in 2012 growing quickly. For Microsoft to give a $250 subsidy for even 40m tablets for 5 years would cost $50b. At $10 license it would take them 5b licenses to make that subsidy back.
They are better losing than doing a subsidy like that. The loss like that isn't close to worth it.
I don't see any possibility of it become irrelevant that fast. There is nothing like Libre Office much less Dynamics or Sharepoint for tablets. There is nothing like Visual Studio. There isn't even anything like a complex web browser.
It very well could. I've speculated that Windows 8 might take the bottom 1/3rd of the Windows market and move it to Android faster than it otherwise would have happened. On the other hand the other 2/3rds move up market in terms of hardware.
But even if it moves everyone to Linux, that's disruptive.
I own a surface pro, that's a very nice form factor for Windows 8. I'm a Mac guy and I'd say it is likely the best secondary computing device around. Big enough to work as a bad laptop, small enough to act as a tablet. Powerful enough to run Windows 7 and Windows 8 hardware. Capacitive touch screen for Metro application. Resistive touchscreen for OneNote and other classic tablet applications.
If you need a powerful machine it can't be your primary. It is a pity that no one is really making truly powerful laptops with capacitive screens (though Lenovo is heading that way). But I think it is rather good.
you've claimed there is no non-Linux solution when there has been one since Feb you didn't know about benchmarks you didn't know about them finishing the port of FreeRDP
I'd say you might want to change you tone about who doesn't know stuff about X or Wayland.
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How many people using Solaris during the days when Sun existed installed it on generic x86 or x86 all? By the time Solaris ran on x86 Sun often had reasonably priced rack servers say Dell + 30% for the same quality. I don't think I've ever used Solaris or SunOS on non Sun equipment and I've used a lot of Solaris and SunOS.
Touchscreen is awesome. 95% finger, 4.9% pen, .1% mouse
I stand corrected. Thank you. Wasn't sure how that was working.
Good to hear. Than as an aside, since I assume you use a big screen sometimes... How does the HD digital AV adapter connect? It seems like the connection to the computer is smaller than the hole on the surface?
I don't think it will get more than 5% tops. But 5% is a ton. 1% and Microsoft will likely be quite satisfied. As I said I'm a Mac guy. I got it at WPC but owning a $1k laptop is a secondary is a niche consumer. My retina is a niche product too.
Figures I'm seeing 6% of laptops are now touch enabled. And Microsoft is going to keep that figure going up. And as we both know they can do that if they want to.
I'm not saying the Helix is a ripoff. Agree with what you wrote as far as specifics. I was just saying don't compare $1k and $2k laptops directly. You get a lot more for $2k.
What do TV ads have to do with, "iOS doesn't allow making Opera Mini or the various WebKit wrappers the default browser"? That statement simply isn't true. iOS allows it. Apple allows it. The consumer version in the default configuration doesn't allow it.
Individuals who want to modify system behaviors who are not Apple developers shouldn't be buying Apple products. No one is claiming that Android doesn't allow more freedom.
We've talked about this. Having Apple as your enterprise provider doesn't allow that. iOS allows it just fine. Developers (developer SDK) / system admins (Enterprise or University SDK) are allowed to change default behaviors.
No idea. But Firefox doesn't fully support RT yet. So it is a bit early to accuse Microsoft of not allowing this. My point is let's at least wait until Firefox has a meaningful RT browser and get's turned down before accusing Microsoft of not supporting it.
I agree with you X11 in theory could be designed to work better with WANs. I also agree that NX has somewhat demonstrated that. Your comment about toolkit authors focusing on locally is interesting. But I don't think that unusual. I think ultimately though that
a) Local
b) LAN
c) WAN
require often opposite optimizations. If Wayland takes over the local case X11, freed from having to worry about local at all might be able to become a far better WAN protocol. I just think it is unlikely that what works well for (a) should work well for (c) and visa versa. If I have 100ms I want to buffer to make sure I don't have to fetch again. If I have .1ns latency I want to fetch again and avoid the expense of the copy involved in buffering.
(b) which is X11's sweet spot is a very rare use case in 2013.
With a removable keyboard, yes. It is a good one and Windows 8 makes it work quite well.
I'd assume it gets updated through the life of Windows 8. I think it will be a long time till Windows 9 only applications are common. Remember I'm a mac guy. I'm used to forced upgrades. I don't expect to get more than 4 years from my retina (though it will probably sell for 40% of what I paid after 4 yrears) , and that was a lot more money.
Surface RT is a different can of worms since it doesn't run Windows x86 applications at all. I like the Pro because it can switch from just being a tablet to being a bad laptop. Cut that off entirely and tablet part has to carry much more weight. On the other hand I was pleasantly surprised how well my iPad went with my iPhone, I suspect for owners of Windows Phone the RT might be a good tablet. And I'm of the opinion that for Windows owners, Windows phone is quite good.
Sidekick was a server disaster. I can't blame that on sales problems. As far as Kin, that was more of a Verizon / Microsoft issue. I don't think it is quite the same thing. Releasing it in the first place after Verizon was no longer interested in the subsidy might have been slimy.
That depends on the application. The applications has to be able to accept RDP as a shell and then the "alternative shell" commend from Windows allows it to open in RDP as a single applications.
\Unix programs using RDP, even today, have never had that problem because they expect to run in different shells. So until GNOME apps absolutely positively won't run in anything but Gnome, or KDE apps absolutely won't run in anything but KDE we should be fine.
Because it is the same approach and Mir is further along. Wayland isn't at the benchmarking phase yet they are still getting stuff to work at all.
What is your damage? Why it works in theory is clear. Microsoft, Apple and early systems show how well it works in practice. Mir proves it works well in practice for Unix. You want good quality benchmarks of well know Unix apps running on both X11 and Wayland wait till 2016 or so.
I don't know your clients, but in general they are rather ignorant if they don't even take SQL Server BI seriously. That's not to say there aren't ignorant clients out there, there are plenty and there is no question that Oracle / DB2 are way better if
a) cost isn't a major factor
b) performance really matters
c) you have a dedicated DBA team
but I'll stand by what I said. As for why invest in a declining market... That declining market still sells 300m desktops per year. If it continues to decline by 6% per year every year till 2040 you are still looking at 37m desktops per year sold and those will all be high margin customers willing to pay a lot. Microsoft could easily be charging them $!00-1000 per OS license.
What browser that is functional for Surface RT (i.e. has full touch support...) has been banned? I haven't heard that Surface RT has a policy against other browsers.
As for Bing integration no question it is part of Windows 8, and is going to grow as part of Windows 8. There are some amazing Windows 8 specific features and the direction is going to be more platform specific stuff. That being said Google has a search app and it is allowed.
What do you mean by "proper browser"? Safari on iPad is rather good. There was more diversity in approach recently, for example Opera which used a server based approach for browsing but the diversity is collapsing. Supposedly Apple has been trying to get Microsoft to port a Trident browser over, but that's rumor mill. In think you need to be more nuanced.
As for Windows... right now Firefox is the only one out with even a beta of a plausible touch oriented browser for RT. Let's wait till Microsoft at least does the crime.
I like the FSF but I always felt that this campaign because it oversimplified the issues crossed the line into outright fraud. Far too many statements on defective by design are simply false.
There were about 120m tablets sold in 2012 growing quickly. For Microsoft to give a $250 subsidy for even 40m tablets for 5 years would cost $50b. At $10 license it would take them 5b licenses to make that subsidy back.
They are better losing than doing a subsidy like that. The loss like that isn't close to worth it.
I don't see any possibility of it become irrelevant that fast. There is nothing like Libre Office much less Dynamics or Sharepoint for tablets. There is nothing like Visual Studio. There isn't even anything like a complex web browser.
Tablets are very far behind.
It very well could. I've speculated that Windows 8 might take the bottom 1/3rd of the Windows market and move it to Android faster than it otherwise would have happened. On the other hand the other 2/3rds move up market in terms of hardware.
But even if it moves everyone to Linux, that's disruptive.
At $300 it would be well under the cost of the hardware. One can talk about price but $300 is out of the question.
The Helix is an amazing machine. It is also a $2k laptop. The low end yoga, the twist thinkpad... are what are the reasonable comparisons.
I own a surface pro, that's a very nice form factor for Windows 8. I'm a Mac guy and I'd say it is likely the best secondary computing device around. Big enough to work as a bad laptop, small enough to act as a tablet. Powerful enough to run Windows 7 and Windows 8 hardware. Capacitive touch screen for Metro application. Resistive touchscreen for OneNote and other classic tablet applications.
If you need a powerful machine it can't be your primary. It is a pity that no one is really making truly powerful laptops with capacitive screens (though Lenovo is heading that way). But I think it is rather good.
So far
you've claimed there is no non-Linux solution when there has been one since Feb
you didn't know about benchmarks
you didn't know about them finishing the port of FreeRDP
I'd say you might want to change you tone about who doesn't know stuff about X or Wayland.
Wayland already has a FreeBSD port in progress for the last 5 months.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_xmir_benchmark&num=3