No, in fact you can't. Because there's a bottom (at 0%). And even if interest rates were AT 0%, housing would still have been overvalued.
What does "overvalued" even me? Assuming interest rates were permanently at 1% and that inflation were equal to maintenance costs. Assume that a house has a rent equivalent of $1000 / mo (i.e. a $100-200k house under normal market conditions). Under the conditions of a 1% that house could easily cost over $1m and be "worth" over a million. The same way a 8% bond would trade for much more than face in a 1% interest rate economy.
20% of a huge number is still a relatively huge number.
Absolutely. That's where a subsidy in equity would be needed even in a low interest rate economy.
I can't. Rich or poor, people should be responsible for their mistakes. In fact, to some extent, they must be, else society will simply devolve into no one being responsible, because you'd be a sucker to do so.
I agree. But I'm tried of saying yes to the rich and no to the poor. Until we start saying no to the rich, and things equalize a bit I'm saying yes to the poor.
Apple has already indicated multiple OS look and feels that don't infringe. We can look forward to Android phone manufacturers licensing one of those, using one of the free ones (like MeeGo) and / or building their own.
There are tons of phone OSes that don't infringe: BBOS, MeeGo, Bada, Sybian, Tizen, Windows Phone. It not a massive labor to put something like MeeGo's swipe as the GUI for Android. And heck swipe is way cooler than the iOS and better at multitasking.
All that happened was Samsung was being forced to innovate a bit more or pay a license fee.
At trial Apple gave 5 examples of families of smartphones that were developed independently. The problem is Android not smartphones. Windows Phone, MeeGo, BBOS even Samsung's own Tizen are independent by Apple's own admission.
They were there for weeks. They might have gone into deliberations and decided the case was crystal clear. I walked away looking at the evidence thinking that Samsung had engaged in intentional infringement. Lots of others did to. This may not have been that complex.
No Apple has patented a particular rectangle of a particular size. There are phones that involve rectangles that Apple indicated in court don't infringe. Just don't do things the way Apple does.
Currently, if you take all forms of personal computer (Windows, Linux, desktop, laptop, tablet, smartphone), iOS has just under 10% of the total market, Android 4.7% of the market. So that's not quite 15% of all computers regularly using touchscreens. On this same scale, MacOS is at 7.5%, Windows Vista at 7.7%, Windows XP at 23%, and Windows 7 at 38%.
I don't buy your numbers. Smartphones 2011 (IDC numbers) 491.4m. USA PC 71.3m, global 352m
Where are you getting this data?
What Microsoft seems to be ignoring, in their quest to join the Apple/Android mobile party, is that touchscreens are a compromise. I'm willing to smear my greasy fingers over my viewing surface, or to have virtual input device take up half my viewing area, but only so that I can have this cool skinny thing in my pocket or a small folio. On the desktop, touch screens are pointless, regardless of the latest fads in mobile.
They don't agree with pointless though they do agree less useful. Moreover there are multiple form factors in between like the laptop where fold over hinges and tablet mode with Microsoft One Note can be delightful even with today's technology.
The other compromise Microsoft wants to bring to the desktop is the full-screen-only application.... it's nice to be able to maximize an application from time to time, but it's pretty rare thing for me.
I've had this on my Mac for several years and don't use it. On the other hand among us OSX guys Joe average user is starting to use virtual desktops which means the software I do use is virtual desktop aware so I'm all in favor anything that gets the bottom 80% to get the concept of virtual desktops. And if that is multiple full screen apps, so be it.
Neither it is another QT based GUI. I gave you this link before swipe.nokia.com where you can try the GUI out a bit in their online demo (works best with Windows).
Didn't GhostBSD stay on Gnome2? Anyway, their whole idea is to not pick a bunch of distributions and test (which is what they've always done) but rather to design a system from the ground up to optimize Gnome and test against that. That way the distributions follow GnomeOS when they roll out their versions. They intend GnomeOS to be rather broad, so for example it will run well on Windows.
IMO, this is about a gamble Microsoft, under Ballmer, is taking by betting traditional PC desktops are obsolete and on their way out as a front-end to "cloud" apps & data.
You are entitled to your opinion but no that's not true. Microsoft has always believed in rich client / server models of computing, and Metro is designed to facilitate them. Microsoft absolutely wants you to have rich clients.
Regardless where the actual apps & data wind up residing, I prefer powerful PC/Workstations that can function equally proficient either online or offline, for all things non-trivial. I like giant HD monitors, a great tactile keyboard, decent mouse/trackball/pen tablet input devices
All of which Metro allows for.
If Ballmer can't adjust the behemoth's current course of foolishly chasing Google/Amazon/Apple into Cloud hype
As an aside, Apple also believe in rich desktops / laptops. Their whole push with iCloud is to allow mobile devices to make use of OSX systems for complex data manipulation. Neither Apple nor Microsoft supports the Sun/Oracle vision.
This isn't about running Ubuntu, its a way to test out areas where the Linux kernel needs improvement. For example 9 watts OSX vs. 21 watts Ubuntu shows an area where Linux could use some help. Or the problems Linux has with dual video subsystems, an area for improvement. On the other hand the fact that Ubuntu was able to outperform OSX on SSD performance is likely an area in which XNU could use some help.
because the person can no whatever the hell they want to do with the money
I think you dropped some words. In any case. No small amounts of money with each paycheck turn into spending. We got about 130% spending from that infusion. Cash for clunkers wasn't bad either.
Except that interest rates were already low when this whole mess started. The Fed rate was barely above 0%.
The discount rate when this started, i.e. when the economy started to slow, was in the process of decreasing from 6.25% towards its eventual level of 0%. No it was not barely above 0%.
You can't have house prices double and wages go up by 5% and just expect everything to work out from the difference of a few points of interest rate.
Of course you can. Think about it. With home interest rates (risk adjusted) low enough you could have almost any level of housing prices.
The housing market relies on new buyers, who would never enter the market at the inflated prices post-bubble.
That's exactly what was happening. New buyers were entering the market. You had all sorts of flippers taking on multiple homes and people with lousy risk profiles taking on homes. Heck I was one of those new buyers who entered the market. And I did so because I could get a 90% mortgage and not an 80% mortgage.
You might help out a few underwater homeowners through those efforts, but you would royally screw the economy and the "next generation" of homebuyers.
I gave several scenerios so I'm not sure which one this was in relation too.
And that entirely ignores the whole "rewarding failure" aspect of the equation.
We do it all the time for the rich. I can live with that.
Plasma Activie is KDE. You were discussing QT so I was giving a QT non-KDE. Yes MeeGo is for phones and tablets. You can see the interface yourself on a nice demo: http://swipe.nokia.com/
BTW MeeGo is still alive Jolla is going to release new MeeGo devices.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. Do you have a link?
Google Michael Bloomberg (mayor of NY) various pushes for making programming part of the curriculum. Or the results in England of the ICT and how students are failing basic concepts. I'm not finding any good single links, sorry.
How would they determine that metric?
Households with computers is measured all the time by for example the FCC. For example they track internet penetration relative to computer ownership.
Are you sure it's not sales of new PCs are down 16%? That is a metric that can be measured, and it makes sense -- there have been no new "killer apps" that require a better computer for a long time. But it's hard to believe that 16% of households are just throwing their perfectly functional computers away.
What's happening is they aren't replacing systems that become non functional. Or when households split (because of say a divorce, a child forming their own household) they don't increase the number of computers. Households aren't super stable over long periods of time.
If you already have a computer that does everything you want it to, why would you replace it
That's the early stages of commercial death. When offered upgrades people are disinterested. Its a characteristic of low usage. I use my computer all the time and just upgraded and have every intention of upgrading my brand new retina macbook pro 3-4 years from now.
Ten or fifteen years ago, an upgrade usually brought you a better product, but it's pretty much mature by now.
I've see huge differences in software capabilities from 10-15 years ago. For example word does much better with images or even more embedded video which it didn't handle at all 15 years ago. Fonts are much better. Integration with sharepoint is much better. If you are just talking about typing then there isn't much difference between Word and WordStar so what justified the upgrades of the 1980s?
Yes, people are satisfied. That's indicative of a dying technology when technologies are vibrant people aren't satisfied. There are exceptions, like large screen TVs where sales are plummeting and usage is only decreasing slowly, but exceptions are rare.
What new features could you put in a word processor that would actually be useful?
1) Stylistic commentary (i.e. the equivalent of a literary editor). 2) Voice dictation on demand (which is starting to happen) 3) Context aware spell check 4) Automatic research assistance like what bibliography managers do plus internet searches 5) Complex automated templated layout, for images 6) Multi factor delivery: web, print, screen. Basics all the way through to features like micro-typography adjustments on fonts. 7) Better interoperation with email 8) Automatic library management between and especially within documents.
I could go on for days. Frankly look at many of the features of Documentum of InDesign of Microsoft Dynamics CRM and imagine less complex version made mainstream.
but you're not going to see PCs replaced in businesses any time soon
Microsoft doesn't have a problem with enterprise. They have spent the last decade pulling way ahead of any of the plausible contenders for enterprise. This decade they are focusing on consumer.
This sounds like a gross misunderstanding of the problem statement for those users. If you do have windows users wanting Gnome, the clear implication is they would want Gnome as a shell replacement, as a UI overhaul atop a platform that still runs typical Windows applications. He seems to think this means windows want a 'gnome os' to replace Windows entirely, but if *that* were acceptable they would just have installed a Linux.
No this was a really important step in how Linux won on the server space. There is a major shift between:
b) Using proprietary OS with mostly proprietary applications c) Using proprietary OS with mostly free applications
The person may still want 20% windows software while being willing to switch to Gnome for 80% of their stuff and for their UI. I.E. they want the Windows kernel and libraries but like Gnome better.
I'm not sure who those people would be, but in theory I don't disagree it could happen.
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The Galaxy SIII wasn't the device that infringed the shape patent.
As far as the stimulus working Ezra Klein has lots of links. Pick things like:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/did-the-stimulus-work-a-review-of-the-nine-best-studies-on-the-subject/2011/08/16/gIQAThbibJ_blog.html
No, in fact you can't. Because there's a bottom (at 0%). And even if interest rates were AT 0%, housing would still have been overvalued.
What does "overvalued" even me? Assuming interest rates were permanently at 1% and that inflation were equal to maintenance costs. Assume that a house has a rent equivalent of $1000 / mo (i.e. a $100-200k house under normal market conditions). Under the conditions of a 1% that house could easily cost over $1m and be "worth" over a million. The same way a 8% bond would trade for much more than face in a 1% interest rate economy.
20% of a huge number is still a relatively huge number.
Absolutely. That's where a subsidy in equity would be needed even in a low interest rate economy.
I can't. Rich or poor, people should be responsible for their mistakes. In fact, to some extent, they must be, else society will simply devolve into no one being responsible, because you'd be a sucker to do so.
I agree. But I'm tried of saying yes to the rich and no to the poor. Until we start saying no to the rich, and things equalize a bit I'm saying yes to the poor.
Apple has already indicated multiple OS look and feels that don't infringe. We can look forward to Android phone manufacturers licensing one of those, using one of the free ones (like MeeGo) and / or building their own.
Look at the F700. That's just not true. Samsung had a very different look in 2006 than they did after 2007.
There are tons of phone OSes that don't infringe: BBOS, MeeGo, Bada, Sybian, Tizen, Windows Phone. It not a massive labor to put something like MeeGo's swipe as the GUI for Android. And heck swipe is way cooler than the iOS and better at multitasking.
All that happened was Samsung was being forced to innovate a bit more or pay a license fee.
Please. Apple gave multiple examples of smartphones designed that didn't infringe. In Samsung's case is Bada, Tizen and F700 lines were among them.
You should have doubt. Apple made multiple sworn statements where they indicated various other phones and ways they didn't infringe.
At trial Apple gave 5 examples of families of smartphones that were developed independently. The problem is Android not smartphones. Windows Phone, MeeGo, BBOS even Samsung's own Tizen are independent by Apple's own admission.
In the US system (to oversimplify):
Jury determine matters of fact
Judges determine matters of law
They were there for weeks. They might have gone into deliberations and decided the case was crystal clear. I walked away looking at the evidence thinking that Samsung had engaged in intentional infringement. Lots of others did to. This may not have been that complex.
No Apple has patented a particular rectangle of a particular size. There are phones that involve rectangles that Apple indicated in court don't infringe. Just don't do things the way Apple does.
Sure curved glass and unibody polycarbinate like the N9.
Currently, if you take all forms of personal computer (Windows, Linux, desktop, laptop, tablet, smartphone), iOS has just under 10% of the total market, Android 4.7% of the market. So that's not quite 15% of all computers regularly using touchscreens. On this same scale, MacOS is at 7.5%, Windows Vista at 7.7%, Windows XP at 23%, and Windows 7 at 38%.
I don't buy your numbers. Smartphones 2011 (IDC numbers) 491.4m.
USA PC 71.3m, global 352m
Where are you getting this data?
What Microsoft seems to be ignoring, in their quest to join the Apple/Android mobile party, is that touchscreens are a compromise. I'm willing to smear my greasy fingers over my viewing surface, or to have virtual input device take up half my viewing area, but only so that I can have this cool skinny thing in my pocket or a small folio. On the desktop, touch screens are pointless, regardless of the latest fads in mobile.
They don't agree with pointless though they do agree less useful. Moreover there are multiple form factors in between like the laptop where fold over hinges and tablet mode with Microsoft One Note can be delightful even with today's technology.
The other compromise Microsoft wants to bring to the desktop is the full-screen-only application.... it's nice to be able to maximize an application from time to time, but it's pretty rare thing for me.
I've had this on my Mac for several years and don't use it. On the other hand among us OSX guys Joe average user is starting to use virtual desktops which means the software I do use is virtual desktop aware so I'm all in favor anything that gets the bottom 80% to get the concept of virtual desktops. And if that is multiple full screen apps, so be it.
Neither it is another QT based GUI. I gave you this link before swipe.nokia.com where you can try the GUI out a bit in their online demo (works best with Windows).
Didn't GhostBSD stay on Gnome2? Anyway, their whole idea is to not pick a bunch of distributions and test (which is what they've always done) but rather to design a system from the ground up to optimize Gnome and test against that. That way the distributions follow GnomeOS when they roll out their versions. They intend GnomeOS to be rather broad, so for example it will run well on Windows.
IMO, this is about a gamble Microsoft, under Ballmer, is taking by betting traditional PC desktops are obsolete and on their way out as a front-end to "cloud" apps & data.
You are entitled to your opinion but no that's not true. Microsoft has always believed in rich client / server models of computing, and Metro is designed to facilitate them. Microsoft absolutely wants you to have rich clients.
Regardless where the actual apps & data wind up residing, I prefer powerful PC/Workstations that can function equally proficient either online or offline, for all things non-trivial. I like giant HD monitors, a great tactile keyboard, decent mouse/trackball/pen tablet input devices
All of which Metro allows for.
If Ballmer can't adjust the behemoth's current course of foolishly chasing Google/Amazon/Apple into Cloud hype
As an aside, Apple also believe in rich desktops / laptops. Their whole push with iCloud is to allow mobile devices to make use of OSX systems for complex data manipulation. Neither Apple nor Microsoft supports the Sun/Oracle vision.
XNU is not nearly as good a kernel as the Linux kernel. And in terms of filesystems OSX has fallen way behind everyone.
There are areas where Apple is excellent, deep plumbing is not one of them.
This isn't about running Ubuntu, its a way to test out areas where the Linux kernel needs improvement. For example 9 watts OSX vs. 21 watts Ubuntu shows an area where Linux could use some help. Or the problems Linux has with dual video subsystems, an area for improvement. On the other hand the fact that Ubuntu was able to outperform OSX on SSD performance is likely an area in which XNU could use some help.
because the person can no whatever the hell they want to do with the money
I think you dropped some words. In any case. No small amounts of money with each paycheck turn into spending. We got about 130% spending from that infusion. Cash for clunkers wasn't bad either.
Except that interest rates were already low when this whole mess started. The Fed rate was barely above 0%.
The discount rate when this started, i.e. when the economy started to slow, was in the process of decreasing from 6.25% towards its eventual level of 0%. No it was not barely above 0%.
You can't have house prices double and wages go up by 5% and just expect everything to work out from the difference of a few points of interest rate.
Of course you can. Think about it. With home interest rates (risk adjusted) low enough you could have almost any level of housing prices.
The housing market relies on new buyers, who would never enter the market at the inflated prices post-bubble.
That's exactly what was happening. New buyers were entering the market. You had all sorts of flippers taking on multiple homes and people with lousy risk profiles taking on homes. Heck I was one of those new buyers who entered the market. And I did so because I could get a 90% mortgage and not an 80% mortgage.
You might help out a few underwater homeowners through those efforts, but you would royally screw the economy and the "next generation" of homebuyers.
I gave several scenerios so I'm not sure which one this was in relation too.
And that entirely ignores the whole "rewarding failure" aspect of the equation.
We do it all the time for the rich. I can live with that.
Isn't their Qt tablet interface Plasma Active?
Plasma Activie is KDE. You were discussing QT so I was giving a QT non-KDE. Yes MeeGo is for phones and tablets. You can see the interface yourself on a nice demo: http://swipe.nokia.com/
BTW MeeGo is still alive Jolla is going to release new MeeGo devices.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that. Do you have a link?
Google Michael Bloomberg (mayor of NY) various pushes for making programming part of the curriculum. Or the results in England of the ICT and how students are failing basic concepts. I'm not finding any good single links, sorry.
How would they determine that metric?
Households with computers is measured all the time by for example the FCC. For example they track internet penetration relative to computer ownership.
Are you sure it's not sales of new PCs are down 16%? That is a metric that can be measured, and it makes sense -- there have been no new "killer apps" that require a better computer for a long time. But it's hard to believe that 16% of households are just throwing their perfectly functional computers away.
What's happening is they aren't replacing systems that become non functional. Or when households split (because of say a divorce, a child forming their own household) they don't increase the number of computers. Households aren't super stable over long periods of time.
If you already have a computer that does everything you want it to, why would you replace it
That's the early stages of commercial death. When offered upgrades people are disinterested. Its a characteristic of low usage. I use my computer all the time and just upgraded and have every intention of upgrading my brand new retina macbook pro 3-4 years from now.
Ten or fifteen years ago, an upgrade usually brought you a better product, but it's pretty much mature by now.
I've see huge differences in software capabilities from 10-15 years ago. For example word does much better with images or even more embedded video which it didn't handle at all 15 years ago. Fonts are much better. Integration with sharepoint is much better. If you are just talking about typing then there isn't much difference between Word and WordStar so what justified the upgrades of the 1980s?
Yes, people are satisfied. That's indicative of a dying technology when technologies are vibrant people aren't satisfied. There are exceptions, like large screen TVs where sales are plummeting and usage is only decreasing slowly, but exceptions are rare.
What new features could you put in a word processor that would actually be useful?
1) Stylistic commentary (i.e. the equivalent of a literary editor).
2) Voice dictation on demand (which is starting to happen)
3) Context aware spell check
4) Automatic research assistance like what bibliography managers do plus internet searches
5) Complex automated templated layout, for images
6) Multi factor delivery: web, print, screen. Basics all the way through to features like micro-typography adjustments on fonts.
7) Better interoperation with email
8) Automatic library management between and especially within documents.
I could go on for days. Frankly look at many of the features of Documentum of InDesign of Microsoft Dynamics CRM and imagine less complex version made mainstream.
but you're not going to see PCs replaced in businesses any time soon
Microsoft doesn't have a problem with enterprise. They have spent the last decade pulling way ahead of any of the plausible contenders for enterprise. This decade they are focusing on consumer.
No I reply far too many and that doesn't happen.
Oh well.
There are two very different communities:
a) People who like to use Gnome
b) People who like to write OS GUIs.
You probably don't know what a window manager is. Give me one feature of dwm.exe that isn't present in Linux windows managers.
This sounds like a gross misunderstanding of the problem statement for those users. If you do have windows users wanting Gnome, the clear implication is they would want Gnome as a shell replacement, as a UI overhaul atop a platform that still runs typical Windows applications. He seems to think this means windows want a 'gnome os' to replace Windows entirely, but if *that* were acceptable they would just have installed a Linux.
No this was a really important step in how Linux won on the server space. There is a major shift between:
b) Using proprietary OS with mostly proprietary applications
c) Using proprietary OS with mostly free applications
The person may still want 20% windows software while being willing to switch to Gnome for 80% of their stuff and for their UI. I.E. they want the Windows kernel and libraries but like Gnome better.
I'm not sure who those people would be, but in theory I don't disagree it could happen.