You understand you are making an argument by assertion. You aren't proving your point, that your definition of computer is correct you are just asserting it.
They already can cooperate. To take an example it was libertarians on both sides that opposed the patriot act and raised public awareness. You get these sorts of oddball coalitions all the time on single issues:
The isolationist right and the hard left cooperating on antiwar issues Feminists and the religious right and human trafficking The left and the Tea Party on cutting corporate welfare etc...
But when you want to move beyond cooperation to legislation the groups that do care have to bring in other coalition partners that are either only mildly in favor, in favor under special conditions or indifferent. And to bring them in they have to trade their support on other issues that the coalition partners care about....
So what? app store isn't a meaningful percentage of Apple's earnings. The administration costs are huge right now. Later it might become a cash cow once the pace of software improvement slows. iTunes that's a different story. But the Linux market and the buy lots of music with iTunes market are likely quite distinct.
Then why does the iDroid wiki page say it's waiting for a boot exploit for the iPhone 4S and the newer iPads?
No idea, you don't need an exploit. You hold the down button on your iPhone for 12 seconds, tap the screen for a system reset and can install firmware directly from iTunes. iTunes will install anything with the right extension. Maybe they don't want to use an Apple/Windows product to replace the bootloader? Maybe they want some sort of trick so an iPhone can update its own bootloader? Heck I don't know why they don't just use Apple's Enterprise SDK which lets you manage iPhones and do stuff like replace bootloaders and install OSes. Then people could just register and blow away their OS with no trickery.
Since ever. For one thing its questionable if the the law would consider tablets to be a separate product legally yet. But even if they were, Apple's share however only went to about 64% for a short time and since then has been in the low 50s. Nooks, Kindles, Android tablets, Blackberry playbooks, HP's devices and Windows devices at the high end all exist and are readily sold. They all capture meaningful chunks of the market. Heck Amazon during the holidays broke 1m units a week 3 weeks running.
Is the IPad a strong player, the trend setter, the most profits, highest volume by dollars unquestionably. Monopoly, no.
Sure. I actually think smart phones are only about 10 years behind not 30. My iPhone 4S's hardware would crush my Micron laptop I bought around 1997. Storage: 4g vs 32g on my cell phone and my cell phone storage is much faster. Ram 64m vs 512m on my cell phone CPU 200mhz pentium vs. dual core 800mhz; video subsystem: MMX vs. whole video subsystem with custom H.264 processing hardware LCD resolution 800x600 vs 640×960 it wouldn't shock me if the battery actually holds more charge.
The specs are rather close to my 2001 Dell Inspiron 8000 (a $4000 laptop at the time). So no argument there about the specs being well beyond. And its even worse if I compare my iPad3 which likely would beat the Dell. However, RAM, CPU and even storage don't make a computer in the sense of the word its being used. For example few people would call my car's electrical system a computer even though it has ram, CPU and storage. And that's because of the intended use of that system, i.e. to drive a specific piece of hardware not to act as a general purpose computation device. No question I could rip the "computer" out of my car's electrical system and do general computation but it was never sold for that purpose.
iPhones are sold as ancillary not primary devices. They are not intended for general computation but to run a rather restricted system. So for example on OSX Apple writes huge libraries to enable app to app communication while on iOS Apple writes huge libraries to prevent app to app communication. On OSX Apple has written several interpreters and an entire GUI around them to assist customers in customizing behavior while on iOS they prohibit customizing behavior.
Take my iPhone, plug in a USB monitor, keyboard to it; load up iPhone Linux and yes it is now slow crappy computer. But that's not the way Apple sells it, nor is it the intended use.
I agree with everything you wrote. Don't forget lots of people get insurance and that's why the carriers push it. So frequently the insurance / extended warranty is picking up the phones. Apple's insurance $99 , covers 3 mo - 2yrs, doesn't cover loss, small copays runs at a loss. In addition a lot of people buy used. A lot of people end up buying a used phone or paying a penalty to renew early. So for example on Verizon you could renew after 1 yr, and get a new phone for at most a $230 penalty and usually they waive part of that.
You mean webkit. And yes that's true. Webkit and Opera's approach are the only approved ones. The claim was that there were no other browsers. There are 2 browser engines and tons of browsers.
They are reskins of webkit. Opera you are correct about as well, no other engine has gotten through the approval process yet. But Opera is proof it is possible for Gecko might get through.
Why not? They're doing the exact same think MS did in the 90's.
No they aren't. Microsoft in the 1990s was using their monopoly in operating systems to engage in an unfair trade practice against Netscape. Apple would need to have an actual monopoly for that law to apply.
Lets say we do that for congress (I don't think its a good idea but I'll ignore that for now). What happens about the executive. That presumably is still elected.
Going back to congress who drafts the legislation? Who holds hearings? Who handles the nitty gritty details?
They are concerned that people installing will get freaked out by the various warning about turning off security features. It isn't very expensive, so they are just paying rather than have a problem.
OK then what? We have about 9 major idealogical factions in the USA ranging in size from about 8% to 19% of the electorate. Lets assume these parties get voted in, in those percentages. They then have to start forming coalitions with other parties to get legislation through. They have to start trading off.
All you are doing is shifting the coalitions from the parties to the legislature itself. See Israel for a society where the parties have remained semi-stable but the coalitions are in flux.
No they don't do that. If they did do that, being a politician would be a lot less complex. First off people weigh various disagreements differently. Moreover people dislike negative change far more than they like positive change, so if you can bring to light disagreements with an incumbent even if they have more areas of agreement they tend to view that politician negatively. Negatives outweigh positives.
That information already is public. Campaigns hire campaign staffing companies and they conduct opposition research. Why would I be concerned about FOIA data coming out about XYZ doing their job?
Huh? Apple not only doesn't lock their machines, they provide software free of charge which allows you to boot to other operating systems. They support technically and sell VM solutions to allow you to host other operating systems in OSX.
That's not true. At least right now the UEFI will allow to to point to any signing authority or go unsigned. It ships by default pointing to servers which list Windows and a few other OSes.
OK I work for XYZ campaign corporation. We provide state level officials with campaign managers, fundraisers.. We have ties to print, radio... and make some extra on referrals.
1) I apply and get it 2) I comply with the FOIA and openly state what I'm requesting and why.
No one can get re-elected. And the problem is not just the union. I don't know of a single congressional district where you have 50%+1 agreement on a wide range of issues.
So what do you want to put in place of this system?
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You understand you are making an argument by assertion. You aren't proving your point, that your definition of computer is correct you are just asserting it.
They already can cooperate. To take an example it was libertarians on both sides that opposed the patriot act and raised public awareness. You get these sorts of oddball coalitions all the time on single issues:
The isolationist right and the hard left cooperating on antiwar issues
Feminists and the religious right and human trafficking
The left and the Tea Party on cutting corporate welfare
etc...
But when you want to move beyond cooperation to legislation the groups that do care have to bring in other coalition partners that are either only mildly in favor, in favor under special conditions or indifferent. And to bring them in they have to trade their support on other issues that the coalition partners care about ....
Which is pretty much the system we have.
They lose on app store and iTunes purchases.
So what? app store isn't a meaningful percentage of Apple's earnings. The administration costs are huge right now. Later it might become a cash cow once the pace of software improvement slows. iTunes that's a different story. But the Linux market and the buy lots of music with iTunes market are likely quite distinct.
Then why does the iDroid wiki page say it's waiting for a boot exploit for the iPhone 4S and the newer iPads?
No idea, you don't need an exploit. You hold the down button on your iPhone for 12 seconds, tap the screen for a system reset and can install firmware directly from iTunes. iTunes will install anything with the right extension. Maybe they don't want to use an Apple/Windows product to replace the bootloader? Maybe they want some sort of trick so an iPhone can update its own bootloader? Heck I don't know why they don't just use Apple's Enterprise SDK which lets you manage iPhones and do stuff like replace bootloaders and install OSes. Then people could just register and blow away their OS with no trickery.
But there is no horrible lock here.
Since ever. For one thing its questionable if the the law would consider tablets to be a separate product legally yet. But even if they were, Apple's share however only went to about 64% for a short time and since then has been in the low 50s. Nooks, Kindles, Android tablets, Blackberry playbooks, HP's devices and Windows devices at the high end all exist and are readily sold. They all capture meaningful chunks of the market. Heck Amazon during the holidays broke 1m units a week 3 weeks running.
Is the IPad a strong player, the trend setter, the most profits, highest volume by dollars unquestionably. Monopoly, no.
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Agree completely! I think you meant to post this one level up though.
Sure. I actually think smart phones are only about 10 years behind not 30. My iPhone 4S's hardware would crush my Micron laptop I bought around 1997.
Storage: 4g vs 32g on my cell phone and my cell phone storage is much faster.
Ram 64m vs 512m on my cell phone
CPU 200mhz pentium vs. dual core 800mhz;
video subsystem: MMX vs. whole video subsystem with custom H.264 processing hardware
LCD resolution 800x600 vs 640×960
it wouldn't shock me if the battery actually holds more charge.
The specs are rather close to my 2001 Dell Inspiron 8000 (a $4000 laptop at the time). So no argument there about the specs being well beyond. And its even worse if I compare my iPad3 which likely would beat the Dell. However, RAM, CPU and even storage don't make a computer in the sense of the word its being used. For example few people would call my car's electrical system a computer even though it has ram, CPU and storage. And that's because of the intended use of that system, i.e. to drive a specific piece of hardware not to act as a general purpose computation device. No question I could rip the "computer" out of my car's electrical system and do general computation but it was never sold for that purpose.
iPhones are sold as ancillary not primary devices. They are not intended for general computation but to run a rather restricted system. So for example on OSX Apple writes huge libraries to enable app to app communication while on iOS Apple writes huge libraries to prevent app to app communication. On OSX Apple has written several interpreters and an entire GUI around them to assist customers in customizing behavior while on iOS they prohibit customizing behavior.
Take my iPhone, plug in a USB monitor, keyboard to it; load up iPhone Linux and yes it is now slow crappy computer. But that's not the way Apple sells it, nor is it the intended use.
I agree with everything you wrote. Don't forget lots of people get insurance and that's why the carriers push it. So frequently the insurance / extended warranty is picking up the phones. Apple's insurance $99 , covers 3 mo - 2yrs, doesn't cover loss, small copays runs at a loss. In addition a lot of people buy used. A lot of people end up buying a used phone or paying a penalty to renew early. So for example on Verizon you could renew after 1 yr, and get a new phone for at most a $230 penalty and usually they waive part of that.
The number is shocking but that's the data.
You mean webkit. And yes that's true. Webkit and Opera's approach are the only approved ones. The claim was that there were no other browsers. There are 2 browser engines and tons of browsers.
No they don't. They brag about their opposition research. They use it to fundraise.
Here is an article from today with links to an Obama for America and DNC ads involving op research: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/17/obama-romney-taxes_n_1678254.html
They are reskins of webkit. Opera you are correct about as well, no other engine has gotten through the approval process yet. But Opera is proof it is possible for Gecko might get through.
Why not? They're doing the exact same think MS did in the 90's.
No they aren't. Microsoft in the 1990s was using their monopoly in operating systems to engage in an unfair trade practice against Netscape. Apple would need to have an actual monopoly for that law to apply.
Lets say we do that for congress (I don't think its a good idea but I'll ignore that for now). What happens about the executive. That presumably is still elected.
Going back to congress who drafts the legislation? Who holds hearings? Who handles the nitty gritty details?
They are concerned that people installing will get freaked out by the various warning about turning off security features. It isn't very expensive, so they are just paying rather than have a problem.
Those aren't locked either. Install iPhone Linux or iDroid. Apple doesn't care if you load another OS on their hardware, they get paid either way.
OK then what? We have about 9 major idealogical factions in the USA ranging in size from about 8% to 19% of the electorate. Lets assume these parties get voted in, in those percentages. They then have to start forming coalitions with other parties to get legislation through. They have to start trading off.
All you are doing is shifting the coalitions from the parties to the legislature itself. See Israel for a society where the parties have remained semi-stable but the coalitions are in flux.
No they don't do that. If they did do that, being a politician would be a lot less complex. First off people weigh various disagreements differently. Moreover people dislike negative change far more than they like positive change, so if you can bring to light disagreements with an incumbent even if they have more areas of agreement they tend to view that politician negatively. Negatives outweigh positives.
That information already is public. Campaigns hire campaign staffing companies and they conduct opposition research. Why would I be concerned about FOIA data coming out about XYZ doing their job?
Just to give an example: EU Battery Directive (2006/66/EC) and Unisys.
Apple isn't considered a monopoly. The rules are wholly different.
As for competing browsers of course there are many: Opera Mini, Dolphin, Chrome, Mercury...
iOS doesn't run on computers it runs on phones and tablets. And no there are lots of other browsers for iOS: (out of date list).
Huh? Apple not only doesn't lock their machines, they provide software free of charge which allows you to boot to other operating systems. They support technically and sell VM solutions to allow you to host other operating systems in OSX.
That's not true. At least right now the UEFI will allow to to point to any signing authority or go unsigned. It ships by default pointing to servers which list Windows and a few other OSes.
OK I work for XYZ campaign corporation. We provide state level officials with campaign managers, fundraisers.. We have ties to print, radio... and make some extra on referrals.
1) I apply and get it
2) I comply with the FOIA and openly state what I'm requesting and why.
No one can get re-elected. And the problem is not just the union. I don't know of a single congressional district where you have 50%+1 agreement on a wide range of issues.
So what do you want to put in place of this system?