It really wouldn't be the same thing. If you were to write 10,000 lines of LISP code you would be redefining the way the application works. It would like be a system and the configuration system (which plays the role of the PHP) would live on top of that.
You wouldn't replace 10,000 lines of PHP with LISP. You would more likely be replacing at least part of the web server, the database layer, the object relational mapper... with 50,000 lines of LISP and creating a fully custom application.
It depends on your environment. LISP like languages are getting more popular, Clojure is semi in. And certainly LISP influenced languages like Scala or F# are doing much better than a decade ago.
Haskell is amazing. The big plus is most of the power of LISPs (and arguably more in a few areas) with much easier to write code and and debugging being easier.
Further Haskell forces you to use LISP constructs and break bad habits for other languages. LISP is functional. Haskell is purely functional. So you will lose those old imperative habits.
Absolutely LISP ideas like automated garbage collection, automatic typed variables and recursion have had no impact on real world computing.
And I would imagine things like: higher level function, automated memoization and self modifying code are unlikely to be major players in the next generation given their impact on Scala, C#/Linq, F#, new SQL standards....
I like what wikileaks did in the cables situation. It actually improved my attitude about the US was doing in demonstrating that US diplomats were in fact acting the way they had claimed to be. I like their other leaks...
But wikileaks has constantly been an anti-establishment, essentially criminal enterprise which is anarchist. Why would they expect governments to intervene against US banks on their behalf?
The cost per gig is unlikely to ever get below the HDD cost. The multiplier used to be around 20x. Maybe it is down to about 15x 2 years later. So if we assume something like the multiplier halves every 4 yrs you still need another dozen years before HDDs are even close. I don't think HDD has that long.
At this point most people experience essentially unlimited storage. Generally the switches: 14 in -> 8 in -> 5 1/4 -> 3 1/2... all happened when the larger drives still had better performance but lower price per gig. I think this is likely to happen in reverse where HDD is being used for external storage.
-- Gnome 3.0... actually, I am not sure what the hell it is trying to do. Crash a lot? Make years of development of utilities a waste as nothing works anymore? Create a desktop with absolutely ZERO options for configuration?
The main thing it is trying to accomplish is integrating the messaging system. Rethinking how applications can pass messages to other applications in terms of classes so that the end user experiences a unified interface with most applications.
Most commercial products do interface shifts. Microsoft has done several recently and Apple on 10.7 did a large one and a decade ago a complete interface replacement.
The Gnome developers have usability goals that Gnome 2 wasn't achieving. It doesn't matter if some people liked it, it didn't do what they wanted it to. If someone else wants to pick up the Gnome project the whole thing is open source.
Given your low user number I figure you would have been around for the days of integration. Basically, the distribution wants to maintain a consistently look and feel across apps including their in-house ones. So they have to pick a UI. Also they want to brand the default desktop to work with things like their installation system so that icons appear in menus when you install software.
Debian keeps their distribution relative out of the box and pure.
Microsoft makes Unix services for Windows, a whole bunch of cross platform products, universal communicator... I wouldn't be shocked if Microsoft has the database in 2 dozen products or so.
Agree with all the points historically. Problem is that the primary meaning of the word America all over the entire world is not to refer to that coalition of states. I agree it was a bad choice and that when the articles of confederation were signed they should have picked some sort of name for the place. They didn't, and the USA is simply too important not to be able to discuss.
You should petition the OAS to give the USA another name.
Yes I did actually. Though that's not what grandparent was talking about. They were loading data off a floppy and they ran one application at a time mostly.
Because that isn't the Apple way. If you are an Apple user you know the process:
1) Apple announces a direction 2) There is a short transition period to get everyone moved 3) Old path is cutoff
Apple doesn't create needless diversity. They continue to offer FCP for a short period of time till all the functionality crossed over and then FCX only.
Open source developers are able to convert hardware pretty easily and have done so for years. Xbox to iphone to... If you have physical control of a device it is hard to prevent you from loading an open source OS.
As far as applications. The mainstream business and consumer world is much friendlier to open source than it has ever been.
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It really wouldn't be the same thing. If you were to write 10,000 lines of LISP code you would be redefining the way the application works. It would like be a system and the configuration system (which plays the role of the PHP) would live on top of that.
You wouldn't replace 10,000 lines of PHP with LISP. You would more likely be replacing at least part of the web server, the database layer, the object relational mapper... with 50,000 lines of LISP and creating a fully custom application.
It depends on your environment. LISP like languages are getting more popular, Clojure is semi in. And certainly LISP influenced languages like Scala or F# are doing much better than a decade ago.
Which is what exactly?
Besides there are LISPs, like Logo that are taught to 5 year olds and the 5 year olds get them and do useful things with them.
Haskell is amazing. The big plus is most of the power of LISPs (and arguably more in a few areas) with much easier to write code and and debugging being easier.
Further Haskell forces you to use LISP constructs and break bad habits for other languages. LISP is functional. Haskell is purely functional. So you will lose those old imperative habits.
Absolutely LISP ideas like automated garbage collection, automatic typed variables and recursion have had no impact on real world computing.
And I would imagine things like: higher level function, automated memoization and self modifying code are unlikely to be major players in the next generation given their impact on Scala, C#/Linq, F#, new SQL standards....
Oh good time to make the flip. IC
Gotcha. So now the minor is going to go up faster?
There have been so many major improvements during the life of the 2 series. I wonder what finally through them over the line to go into the 3 series.
I like what wikileaks did in the cables situation. It actually improved my attitude about the US was doing in demonstrating that US diplomats were in fact acting the way they had claimed to be. I like their other leaks...
But wikileaks has constantly been an anti-establishment, essentially criminal enterprise which is anarchist. Why would they expect governments to intervene against US banks on their behalf?
So what? We have CIA in countries we are at peace with. The same way many other countries have their intelligence operatives in the United States.
Solution to what? You have to decide what you are trying to achieve before there is a solution.
The cost per gig is unlikely to ever get below the HDD cost. The multiplier used to be around 20x. Maybe it is down to about 15x 2 years later. So if we assume something like the multiplier halves every 4 yrs you still need another dozen years before HDDs are even close. I don't think HDD has that long.
At this point most people experience essentially unlimited storage. Generally the switches: 14 in -> 8 in -> 5 1/4 -> 3 1/2... all happened when the larger drives still had better performance but lower price per gig. I think this is likely to happen in reverse where HDD is being used for external storage.
-- Gnome 3.0... actually, I am not sure what the hell it is trying to do. Crash a lot? Make years of development of utilities a waste as nothing works anymore? Create a desktop with absolutely ZERO options for configuration?
The main thing it is trying to accomplish is integrating the messaging system. Rethinking how applications can pass messages to other applications in terms of classes so that the end user experiences a unified interface with most applications.
Most commercial products do interface shifts. Microsoft has done several recently and Apple on 10.7 did a large one and a decade ago a complete interface replacement.
The Gnome developers have usability goals that Gnome 2 wasn't achieving. It doesn't matter if some people liked it, it didn't do what they wanted it to. If someone else wants to pick up the Gnome project the whole thing is open source.
Given your low user number I figure you would have been around for the days of integration. Basically, the distribution wants to maintain a consistently look and feel across apps including their in-house ones. So they have to pick a UI. Also they want to brand the default desktop to work with things like their installation system so that icons appear in menus when you install software.
Debian keeps their distribution relative out of the box and pure.
We have that GMT.
Microsoft makes Unix services for Windows, a whole bunch of cross platform products, universal communicator... I wouldn't be shocked if Microsoft has the database in 2 dozen products or so.
Thank you. Excellent point that America's situation is uniquely bad.
Agree with all the points historically. Problem is that the primary meaning of the word America all over the entire world is not to refer to that coalition of states. I agree it was a bad choice and that when the articles of confederation were signed they should have picked some sort of name for the place. They didn't, and the USA is simply too important not to be able to discuss.
You should petition the OAS to give the USA another name.
Yes I did actually. Though that's not what grandparent was talking about. They were loading data off a floppy and they ran one application at a time mostly.
Yeah about 90% of the profits from system sales. That's not the same as computer world.
And share can be looked at lots of ways. Share by units, share by dollars, share by profits are standards.
One reason is that WYSIWYG sucks up time and never quite works out while WYGIWYM is better. Plus Latex isn't that painful.
Because that isn't the Apple way. If you are an Apple user you know the process:
1) Apple announces a direction
2) There is a short transition period to get everyone moved
3) Old path is cutoff
Apple doesn't create needless diversity. They continue to offer FCP for a short period of time till all the functionality crossed over and then FCX only.
Honestly iOS isn't even all that locked down. You buy the developer SDK and you can do whatever you want.
Open source developers are able to convert hardware pretty easily and have done so for years. Xbox to iphone to... If you have physical control of a device it is hard to prevent you from loading an open source OS.
As far as applications. The mainstream business and consumer world is much friendlier to open source than it has ever been.