Solaris was Linux. Read/. from the 1990s or even the early 2000s. The goal of Linux was to offer something like Solaris.
I don't know of anytime that people bough Sun boxes and asked for Linux on them. Even as sales were dropping off fast everyone agreed Solaris on Sun hardware was better than Linux on Sun hardware. And if they did it would be like Apple's attitude towards someone who wants to run Windows on their hardware, "have at it".
In the early 2000s Sun was still selling. The problem in 2005 was that Sun hardware wasn't much better. IBM beat them on the high end and HP, Dell on the low end. They were squeezed into a narrow and narrower hardware range.
Most Linux software compiled into Sun well. They offered CDs loaded with Open Source apps. I think they should have done this earlier but it was the hardware that killed them. Arguably they might have done far better by keeping Solaris as a niche OS for high end end hardware that was close enough to Linux to run Linux apps (recompiled). QNX has done well for 12 years competing with Linux as a nice for people who need a little more on the embedded side than Linux can offer.
Actually we have a fiat currency, money is something that is printed out by the government. Now something like "real GDP" or "real productivity" is something that arises from the "mind and back". Though more than anything else it arises from the quantity of workers and the quantity of investment in worker productivity. Great ideas can allow for some additional investment or can increase the productivity multiplier of investments and thus act like an interest rate drop, i.e. they can increase the speed of real productivity growth.
Once you start phrasing Rand into mainstream economics what she says is either: a) trivial b) wrong She does however do a nice job of defending the idea that worker productivity comes from investment.
Its an interesting idea. If in theory the two products are merged there is likely to be some synergies. SUSE gives Ubuntu the technical depth to do what they want on the desktop and Ubuntu gives a compelling reason to pick SLES over RHES.
Why should he have ported Solaris? Sun was a machine company that sold high end boxes. There was and still is quite a nice market for large systems. There was and still is quite a market for reliable systems and strong hardware service arms.
Huge numbers of companies are moving to virtualization, Sun was a leader of Unix virtualization. Today I think they could be selling huge numbers of boxes if they offered a compelling value. What is the value of Solaris outside of Sun hardware?
I'm not sure about a good CEO would have. x86 hardware / Linux was classic disruption. At the time it would have been early enough for Sun to shift it would have been financially foolish. At the time they needed to switch it was too late.
A good CEO might have gone for profitable shrinkage and then with a ton of cash and Sun's name / credibiility moved into other opportunities.
Sun missed the party because they were worth far far more than RedHat. RedHat in mid 1990s was selling an OS that got you something somewhat close to a low end Sun Ultra for about 40-80% off. They were the ones selling the Ultra.
I think they had a clear strategy it just was rejected the Netbox strategy.
1) The real cost of the office is transportation and rent. 2) To reduce rent and transportation you need a work from home culture and be able to share desks 3) That means no local data storage long term, just for caching until there is a network connection etc...
This was a great idea that tied in well with Sun/Oracle and not Microsoft. They just couldn't execute fast enough. Once the Internet bubble died their sales fell off.... They just didn't have what it takes to be google.
I haven't used KOffice in a long time. I've used Pages though, I doubt the automatic text and graphics placement algorithms in KOffice are remotely close. There is a ton of complexity under the covers in Pages. Me thinks you are grossly underestimating the complexity.
Or course they produce programming languages. They have worked on Objective C for almost 2 decades. They wrote huge chunks of the ghc extensions that work for Power line of chips. Recently they have been focusing on a major reworking of Ruby. And lets not even speak of AppleScript which is probably the most diverse scripting language in the world.
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In terms of spreadsheet tools, what do you consider Numbers?
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And you forgot to mention print and video technology in which they are unquestionably leaders.
How exactly are they not an IT company? They are inventing IT technologies and creating new implementations all the time. They aren't business oriented I'll grant that but I'd certainly consider them an IT company.
Sure they did, but Microsoft was eating their lunch with its implementation of MS-Java and then J++. They way they beat back Microsoft was giving it away, and suing Microsoft. So Java became a community resource, thrived but Sun couldn't make a dime.
Its an interesting direction. It would allow Canonical to break from Debian. I just don't see how they pay for all that engineering without Novell's business interests.
I do believe that's mate sir. Good game:-) I got to use NeXT in college and then Suns in grad school but never owned one. I was part of the "Linux gets me some of Solaris for no money" crowd. I can't imagine stepping down from a NeXT to a mid 1990s Linux. I would have figured you would have moved to an Indy/O2 or an Ultra if you were willing to pay workstation prices rather than dealing with the early day of KDE. If you could have CDE on the Ultra why have KDE?
I never owned the Pentium pro. Went right from the 60mhz Pentiums to an MMX. Back when you are talking about I didn't see any reason for KDE. I loved WindowMaker:
The window manager of a NeXT with software availability of SunOS and easy administration (at least comparatively)! Except for the buggyness, this Linux was already getting better than the expensive workstation Unixes, and you could solve the buggyness with some commercial packages.
I was messing around with the early TeXs (which were amazing). So you got me there, I remember the announcement but didn't use KDE until I switched to Mandrake from RedHat.
To me the most interesting topic, which strangely seems to go almost undiscussed, is that the US knows perfectly well that the great ally Saudi Arabia is the main source of funds for terrorists all around. This sheds a very interesting light on the so-called "War on Terror".
This has been the case all along. Bin Laden has always been open about this. The very first paragraph of his war declaration:
hat America is tasting now, is something insignificant compared to what we have tasted for scores of years. Our nation (the Islamic world) has been tasting this humiliation and this degradation for more than 80 years. Its sons are killed, its blood is shed, its sanctuaries are attacked, and no one hears and no one heeds.
80 years ago was the rise of the House of Saud.
As for the Taliban that actually was our strategy in Iraq too, so that was congressionally authorized. Like it or hate it, that was open.
I don't know. Its a little dicey for me because Novell seems pro Gnome (Ximian) while Suse has strong KDE support going back to the start of the KDE. How strong is Suse's support in terms of inside KDE it used to be a big player 5 years ago. Does it still fund anything?
I don't see Open Office dying in their space. I like the direction KDE is moving in of having Koffice go downscale to the mobile / tablet market. OpenOffice is very very heavy.
Suse is relatively neutral now. It certainly helps but its not nearly as focused as RedHat is with Gnome. In terms of upstream work, it seems like with the Wayland/Unity thing they are going to have to do lots and lots of upstream work.
RedHat helped found Gnome in reaction to KDE when it first came out. They were always hostile as opposed to Caldera which was very pro-KDE. Ubuntu was always part of Gnome, they had to pick and they picked Gnome because they agreed with the goal of interface simplicity which was part of the Gnome 2 project.
The real kick in the teeth was Suse and Mandriva/Mandrake supporting Gnome fully.
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Solaris was Linux. Read /. from the 1990s or even the early 2000s. The goal of Linux was to offer something like Solaris.
I don't know of anytime that people bough Sun boxes and asked for Linux on them. Even as sales were dropping off fast everyone agreed Solaris on Sun hardware was better than Linux on Sun hardware. And if they did it would be like Apple's attitude towards someone who wants to run Windows on their hardware, "have at it".
In the early 2000s Sun was still selling. The problem in 2005 was that Sun hardware wasn't much better. IBM beat them on the high end and HP, Dell on the low end. They were squeezed into a narrow and narrower hardware range.
Most Linux software compiled into Sun well. They offered CDs loaded with Open Source apps. I think they should have done this earlier but it was the hardware that killed them. Arguably they might have done far better by keeping Solaris as a niche OS for high end end hardware that was close enough to Linux to run Linux apps (recompiled). QNX has done well for 12 years competing with Linux as a nice for people who need a little more on the embedded side than Linux can offer.
Actually we have a fiat currency, money is something that is printed out by the government. Now something like "real GDP" or "real productivity" is something that arises from the "mind and back". Though more than anything else it arises from the quantity of workers and the quantity of investment in worker productivity. Great ideas can allow for some additional investment or can increase the productivity multiplier of investments and thus act like an interest rate drop, i.e. they can increase the speed of real productivity growth.
Once you start phrasing Rand into mainstream economics what she says is either:
a) trivial
b) wrong
She does however do a nice job of defending the idea that worker productivity comes from investment.
Its an interesting idea. If in theory the two products are merged there is likely to be some synergies. SUSE gives Ubuntu the technical depth to do what they want on the desktop and Ubuntu gives a compelling reason to pick SLES over RHES.
I like it!
Why should he have ported Solaris? Sun was a machine company that sold high end boxes. There was and still is quite a nice market for large systems. There was and still is quite a market for reliable systems and strong hardware service arms.
Huge numbers of companies are moving to virtualization, Sun was a leader of Unix virtualization. Today I think they could be selling huge numbers of boxes if they offered a compelling value. What is the value of Solaris outside of Sun hardware?
I'm not sure about a good CEO would have. x86 hardware / Linux was classic disruption. At the time it would have been early enough for Sun to shift it would have been financially foolish. At the time they needed to switch it was too late.
A good CEO might have gone for profitable shrinkage and then with a ton of cash and Sun's name / credibiility moved into other opportunities.
Soetimes their hardware was overpriced, other times it was quite reasonable. Certainly it was 50% more not 20x more.
Sun missed the party because they were worth far far more than RedHat. RedHat in mid 1990s was selling an OS that got you something somewhat close to a low end Sun Ultra for about 40-80% off. They were the ones selling the Ultra.
I think they had a clear strategy it just was rejected the Netbox strategy.
1) The real cost of the office is transportation and rent.
2) To reduce rent and transportation you need a work from home culture and be able to share desks
3) That means no local data storage long term, just for caching until there is a network connection
etc...
This was a great idea that tied in well with Sun/Oracle and not Microsoft. They just couldn't execute fast enough. Once the Internet bubble died their sales fell off.... They just didn't have what it takes to be google.
I haven't used KOffice in a long time. I've used Pages though, I doubt the automatic text and graphics placement algorithms in KOffice are remotely close. There is a ton of complexity under the covers in Pages. Me thinks you are grossly underestimating the complexity.
Or course they produce programming languages. They have worked on Objective C for almost 2 decades. They wrote huge chunks of the ghc extensions that work for Power line of chips. Recently they have been focusing on a major reworking of Ruby. And lets not even speak of AppleScript which is probably the most diverse scripting language in the world.
____
In terms of spreadsheet tools, what do you consider Numbers?
____
And you forgot to mention print and video technology in which they are unquestionably leaders.
How exactly are they not an IT company? They are inventing IT technologies and creating new implementations all the time. They aren't business oriented I'll grant that but I'd certainly consider them an IT company.
IBM had the same problem in the 91 recession Sun had recently. But IBM had enough succesful lines to make the switch.
Sure they did, but Microsoft was eating their lunch with its implementation of MS-Java and then J++. They way they beat back Microsoft was giving it away, and suing Microsoft. So Java became a community resource, thrived but Sun couldn't make a dime.
It didn't start that way. It started with the valuable asset being the hardware. The software came in as a way to sell hardware.
Its an interesting direction. It would allow Canonical to break from Debian. I just don't see how they pay for all that engineering without Novell's business interests.
Take a look at the history for Novell's interests in something like Suse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_OpenLinux
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I do believe that's mate sir. Good game :-) I got to use NeXT in college and then Suns in grad school but never owned one. I was part of the "Linux gets me some of Solaris for no money" crowd. I can't imagine stepping down from a NeXT to a mid 1990s Linux. I would have figured you would have moved to an Indy/O2 or an Ultra if you were willing to pay workstation prices rather than dealing with the early day of KDE. If you could have CDE on the Ultra why have KDE?
I never owned the Pentium pro. Went right from the 60mhz Pentiums to an MMX. Back when you are talking about I didn't see any reason for KDE. I loved WindowMaker:
The window manager of a NeXT with software availability of SunOS and easy administration (at least comparatively)! Except for the buggyness, this Linux was already getting better than the expensive workstation Unixes, and you could solve the buggyness with some commercial packages.
I was messing around with the early TeXs (which were amazing). So you got me there, I remember the announcement but didn't use KDE until I switched to Mandrake from RedHat.
To me the most interesting topic, which strangely seems to go almost undiscussed, is that the US knows perfectly well that the great ally Saudi Arabia is the main source of funds for terrorists all around. This sheds a very interesting light on the so-called "War on Terror".
This has been the case all along. Bin Laden has always been open about this. The very first paragraph of his war declaration:
80 years ago was the rise of the House of Saud.
As for the Taliban that actually was our strategy in Iraq too, so that was congressionally authorized. Like it or hate it, that was open.
OK I don't have any personal information. I stand corrected, what was the split really about? Where there any technical or vision issues?
I don't know. Its a little dicey for me because Novell seems pro Gnome (Ximian) while Suse has strong KDE support going back to the start of the KDE. How strong is Suse's support in terms of inside KDE it used to be a big player 5 years ago. Does it still fund anything?
I don't see Open Office dying in their space. I like the direction KDE is moving in of having Koffice go downscale to the mobile / tablet market. OpenOffice is very very heavy.
With KDE as desktop you don't have that. It is way more in your face and it simply isn't workable out of the box.
Ubunu would be using likely using a more locked down version. The whole move with Unity is they want to be simpler than Gnome.
Suse is relatively neutral now. It certainly helps but its not nearly as focused as RedHat is with Gnome. In terms of upstream work, it seems like with the Wayland/Unity thing they are going to have to do lots and lots of upstream work.
RedHat helped found Gnome in reaction to KDE when it first came out. They were always hostile as opposed to Caldera which was very pro-KDE.
Ubuntu was always part of Gnome, they had to pick and they picked Gnome because they agreed with the goal of interface simplicity which was part of the Gnome 2 project.
The real kick in the teeth was Suse and Mandriva/Mandrake supporting Gnome fully.