You are correct, I was actually thinking active suspension which would have helped Senna, but for some reason wrote traction control. Active suspension was banned for level playing ground reasons.
Exactly, I did not say that it did not exist, I said that it was still in its infancy, and not widely in use. The calculations required in a supercar is a little different than trying to keep your BMW 3 series from sliding around when you hit a puddle.
Stability control or ESC was introduced around 94. Consider computing power and the requirements to develop advanced electronics. Look at the difference between computing process progress between 1994 and 2004, and then look at the processing power progress between 2004 and today. We have made significantly more process in the last 10 years over the previous 10.
Really, you are going to compare a 10 year old race car (remember, for Porsche to compete in the GT series, they had to make a bunch of them road going and sell them to the public, so this is a race car with lights) to a modern car with more electronics than a small datacenter.... Because that is apples to apples comparison...
Who said they were racing, racing had already been ruled out. Additionally, speculation has it that they were going slightly over the limit when they reached the end of the road which drops to a 15 mph limit and a sharp turn (maybe the speed drop should be further up the road).
Keep in mind that the CGT handles much better at 150mph then it was at 40mph. A simple bump in the road while braking would easily cause teh CGT to lose control, and unfortunately, it appears the point of impact was also the gas tank.
You post so far explains the car most elegantly. It should be added that the design of the fuel tank and it's location in the CGT is what made this accident, even at low speeds so deadly. Based on pictures, and what I have read elsewhere, the point of impact was right where the fuel tank was, rupturing it and spilling gas near the engine, which was most likely the ignition source.
It has 2 options for traction control, dry and wet, and all that does is adjust the throttle sensitivity if I remember correctly. Go read about the Porsche test driver who basically crapped his pants when he was testing the CGT... it is called a widow maker for a reason.
Stability control and ABS are two totally different systems. Although some modern cars use the brake system to aid in stability control (also in place of proper differential, the cheap mans diff) where the vehicle will selectively apply braking to 1 or more wheels. They are not the same.
Stability control monitors wheel slip and in some cases lateral gravitational movement and adjusts power/braking/gearing to compensate for when the vehicle breaks loose. It is a pain in the ass, and can in many cases put you in danger in the event that you are in a situation where you may have to accelerate quickly to get out of a situation, say turning left and someone in oncoming traffic is not paying attention to the red light since you have a green left arrow and almost tbones you, if traction control kicked in, which I generally turn off, or atleast put into sport mode) I would have been in the intersection instead of 2 feet further and would probably have been killed.
That is incorrect. There was never a reason to ban an aid that allows a vehicle to go faster, it is racing after all, the point is to go faster.
The primary reason many of the driver aids were banned was to level the playing field between race teams. It literally all came down to money, where some teams (like Williams back in the day) had 10 to 20 times more money for R&D. Other teams just did not have the finances to develop all the advanced functions that some teams were coming out with. Traction control for example was banned, which is a shame as that would have saved Senna's life (traction control is different from stability control). At the time the cost of the system put it out of reach for many teams, so FIA decided to ban it.
In this case, the driver was an accomplished racer.
It is also true, in most cases, that many times it would be the drivers fault. However, in this case, even the Porsche Test driver who test drove the car during it's development phase was terrified of the car. This truly is one of those cars, that even at low speeds, can kill you. And unfortunately for this particular accident, it appears that the gas tank was on the side of the impact and took a direct hit, most likely the flame was ignited when the fuel came into contact with a hot part of teh engine.
Or some of us are consultants who get put on certain projects for a reason and a particular skillset.
Working away from home has plenty of advantages, financial for example, I expense everything Mon through Friday, hotel, airfare, meals, transport. That saves me around $250 to $300 a week over living at home where parking in DC/VA is stupid expensive, as is gas, and my 2 hour each way commute to do 20 fucking miles.
Also I don't have to deal with changing diapers during the week, but don't tell my wife that:)
As another posted noted, some of us work in places far from our families. Staffing requirements do not always allow for people to just randomly leave in the middle of the short work week. Myself included. I have a 7pm flight tonight.. hoping it is not cancelled, but if it is, well, my only option is a 10 hour drive (which I have a rental car already reserved for just in case)
I don't have a TSA problem.. I fly twice a week every week.. I get to go to the front of the line at some airports, or have my own line at others.. security never takes me more than 10 minutes, and that's at BWI.
The only think the 600t is missing, ANT+ or Bluetooth support for additional sensors HR, Power, Candace, etc. Otherwise it is a nice little device. I personally use the Garmin 810, and rarely do I have the map up on it, more for speed, tracking (does live tracking which keeps the wife happy when I go on long rides), distance, and a few other things. Sometimes on long group rides (various centuries), I will load the cue sheet into the Garmin.
MD for example. There are some roads between DC and Annapolis, that are single lane in each direction, with no shoulder at all. Some have barriers as well so you could not even jump off the bike and move over into the grass/gravel/whatever is next to the road. Guess what.. giant signs on those roads every mile or 2 that states.. "Share the Road with Cyclists"... MD also has a 3 foot law, meaning you cannot move your vehicle within 3 feet of the cyclist, which means if there is no passing, you cannot go past the cyclist. With a long line of vehicles behind the cyclist on an incline, it can be dangerous to stop, especially if the driver is not paying attention.
Most cyclist I know will wave cars past them when it is safe though.
You may wish to try a different phone.. as there is something wrong with you... I have never had an issue of being past my turn, except in extremely dense urban areas where people already know GPS is worthless (like downtown DC, NY, etc).
True, but at some point, you will want to get home, and if you are lost exploring, that means you might not know the way home.... GPS's do help in those situations.
Me personally, if I am not part of a structured ride, I will randomly go left and right depending on the direction of the wind, or my mood, or whatever, not following any predetermined route until I hit the 30 or 40 mile mark, then use my GPS (Garmin 810) to get me home again.
You are being a bit of an asshole here... and this just seems to show that you have a certain animosity towards cyclists in general, and odds are nothing I will say will change that.. I will counter all of your points reasonably without resorting to any more name calling.
"When you move to a new city, a GPS is the WORST thing you can use to 'learn' the city. This has been proven by multiple studies. GPS is a shitty way to learn since you don't learn, you just follow directions and don't absorb them or the route you took."
Same reason people use them in cars, roads under construction, roads closed, trying to get from A to B is not always as clear as people think. There are certain laws in most states (MD VA and DC), any road with a speed limit higher than 45mph, you cannot cycle on it, unless explicitly noted that cyclists are permitted (which usually means dedicated bike lanes, or rural country roads). Unless you know every back street, and different route, GPS (or paper maps would work too) allows for this impromptu change.
Then there are those of us who do distance riding, and may be doing a different 60, 100, or 120 mile route every couple of weeks, not all of that is in a straight line on a single road, and in those cases, you don't want to stop (or maybe you do if you want a rest) to look at a map, or a smartphone for that matter, Garmin make decent GPS cycling units that provide prompts. Stopping, especially on inclines absolutely kills your momentum. As for the uphill thing, yes it sucks for a car to be stuck behind a cyclist on a one lane road, and I will use my lane if legally till I get to the top, at which point I will wave the cars by.
"Why are you riding your bike in such a shitty environment that you're afraid to stop. That sounds like you're too stupid to make intelligent decisions about your path anyway, so its unlikely technology is going to save your dumbs."
Because every city, every place you live, has perfect little neighborhood, every road and highway has a bike lane, and everyone gets along without any problems....... Yeah no, life is not like that. I would love to cycle to and from work, except my options are to go from where I live, through 3 shitty areas of DC where I am likely to get shot and murdered at most, at the least I would get mugged... there are only certain routes from MD to VA, and they either involve a major highway, which the states frown upon when cyclists try to use them, or the shitty neighbourhood paths... and routing around said neighbourhoods involve an extra 30 miles on top of the initial 30 miles.. This has nothing to do with intelligence, more self preservation. Although the intelligent thing to do in this case is use a car. Some people don't have that option.
"Why should you plan?... Technology doesn't save the ignorant, which is what you are, especially without a plan." I agree with you here, except for the negative remark about being ignorant. Tech does not replace, and in most cases never will, it augments, and there is nothing wrong with that.
"Stopping up hill is a massive ball ache for you? Then I'm 100% certain you should have put your fat lazy fucking ass in a car. The speed you had is of very little use, it takes you the same energy to get up the hill and overcome gravity regardless of speed, anything else you experience is entirely in your head."
Really, okay I take bake my name calling statement, you are an idiot..... Momentum is the keep to getting up a hill. That consists of having enough forward momentum to get you as far as possible up the hill while still pedaling, only using less energy, till you get to a point where you have to pick a comfortable gear and grind your way to the top. This uses significantly less energy than just grinding away from the start of the hill.
So not only do you know nothing about cycling, your also one of those drivers who I will put my cleated boot through one of your windows, or dent/scrape the crap out of the side of your car as a defensive move if you violate the 3 foot law where I live, and I am legally using the road.
I'm a cyclist. I follow the rules (unlike my neighbour who I suspect I will be peeling off the road one day as he blows through stop signs). Okay I mostly follow the rules, I will slow down at certain intersections and proceed if clear, otherwise I stop.
I wish I could cycle to work as well, doing so would have me cycling through 2 states and a District through some not so lovely areas, and it is only 30 miles form home to office (when I am not traveling).
As for the chip on the shoulders, some do, but mostly it is the cyclist riding defensively and being a dick about it. Has to be done sometimes. Take DC for example, there are plenty of bike lanes next to regular lanes, yet buses, taxis, normal drivers, and cops like to occupy those lanes.... In a situation like that, I treat the lanes like an Ice Hockey goalie's crease, you enter my lane and I will take you head off (not literally), but a SPD cleat to the side of the car as a defensive move is perfectly acceptable.
Yes, not everyone follows the rules, bike messengers follow no rules, plenty of cyclists are douche bags, but the same goes for drivers. I see more asshole drivers in 4000 pound death machines then I do asshole cyclists.
If a car brakes will falling in a vending machine, it will be fine as the brakes performed as intended... Now if the car breaks, that's a different story:)
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You are correct, I was actually thinking active suspension which would have helped Senna, but for some reason wrote traction control. Active suspension was banned for level playing ground reasons.
Exactly, I did not say that it did not exist, I said that it was still in its infancy, and not widely in use. The calculations required in a supercar is a little different than trying to keep your BMW 3 series from sliding around when you hit a puddle.
Stability control or ESC was introduced around 94. Consider computing power and the requirements to develop advanced electronics. Look at the difference between computing process progress between 1994 and 2004, and then look at the processing power progress between 2004 and today. We have made significantly more process in the last 10 years over the previous 10.
Also, the point of impact was the fuel tank, hence bursting into flames.
Really, you are going to compare a 10 year old race car (remember, for Porsche to compete in the GT series, they had to make a bunch of them road going and sell them to the public, so this is a race car with lights) to a modern car with more electronics than a small datacenter.... Because that is apples to apples comparison...
Who said they were racing, racing had already been ruled out. Additionally, speculation has it that they were going slightly over the limit when they reached the end of the road which drops to a 15 mph limit and a sharp turn (maybe the speed drop should be further up the road).
Keep in mind that the CGT handles much better at 150mph then it was at 40mph. A simple bump in the road while braking would easily cause teh CGT to lose control, and unfortunately, it appears the point of impact was also the gas tank.
Some nerds, like myself, are also avid auto enthusiasts...
You post so far explains the car most elegantly. It should be added that the design of the fuel tank and it's location in the CGT is what made this accident, even at low speeds so deadly. Based on pictures, and what I have read elsewhere, the point of impact was right where the fuel tank was, rupturing it and spilling gas near the engine, which was most likely the ignition source.
It has 2 options for traction control, dry and wet, and all that does is adjust the throttle sensitivity if I remember correctly. Go read about the Porsche test driver who basically crapped his pants when he was testing the CGT... it is called a widow maker for a reason.
Because when the CGT was developed, traction control/stability control was still in its infancy, and not widely used in vehicles at the time.
Stability control and ABS are two totally different systems. Although some modern cars use the brake system to aid in stability control (also in place of proper differential, the cheap mans diff) where the vehicle will selectively apply braking to 1 or more wheels. They are not the same.
Stability control monitors wheel slip and in some cases lateral gravitational movement and adjusts power/braking/gearing to compensate for when the vehicle breaks loose. It is a pain in the ass, and can in many cases put you in danger in the event that you are in a situation where you may have to accelerate quickly to get out of a situation, say turning left and someone in oncoming traffic is not paying attention to the red light since you have a green left arrow and almost tbones you, if traction control kicked in, which I generally turn off, or atleast put into sport mode) I would have been in the intersection instead of 2 feet further and would probably have been killed.
That is incorrect. There was never a reason to ban an aid that allows a vehicle to go faster, it is racing after all, the point is to go faster.
The primary reason many of the driver aids were banned was to level the playing field between race teams. It literally all came down to money, where some teams (like Williams back in the day) had 10 to 20 times more money for R&D. Other teams just did not have the finances to develop all the advanced functions that some teams were coming out with. Traction control for example was banned, which is a shame as that would have saved Senna's life (traction control is different from stability control). At the time the cost of the system put it out of reach for many teams, so FIA decided to ban it.
In this case, the driver was an accomplished racer.
It is also true, in most cases, that many times it would be the drivers fault. However, in this case, even the Porsche Test driver who test drove the car during it's development phase was terrified of the car. This truly is one of those cars, that even at low speeds, can kill you. And unfortunately for this particular accident, it appears that the gas tank was on the side of the impact and took a direct hit, most likely the flame was ignited when the fuel came into contact with a hot part of teh engine.
Exactly, when it comes to airports, it is every person for themselves. Even nice people turn into assholes at the airport.
Or some of us are consultants who get put on certain projects for a reason and a particular skillset.
Working away from home has plenty of advantages, financial for example, I expense everything Mon through Friday, hotel, airfare, meals, transport. That saves me around $250 to $300 a week over living at home where parking in DC/VA is stupid expensive, as is gas, and my 2 hour each way commute to do 20 fucking miles.
Also I don't have to deal with changing diapers during the week, but don't tell my wife that :)
As another posted noted, some of us work in places far from our families. Staffing requirements do not always allow for people to just randomly leave in the middle of the short work week. Myself included. I have a 7pm flight tonight.. hoping it is not cancelled, but if it is, well, my only option is a 10 hour drive (which I have a rental car already reserved for just in case)
The right side of the screen with the bar chart has a | separating delays and cancellations.
I don't have a TSA problem.. I fly twice a week every week.. I get to go to the front of the line at some airports, or have my own line at others.. security never takes me more than 10 minutes, and that's at BWI.
The only think the 600t is missing, ANT+ or Bluetooth support for additional sensors HR, Power, Candace, etc. Otherwise it is a nice little device. I personally use the Garmin 810, and rarely do I have the map up on it, more for speed, tracking (does live tracking which keeps the wife happy when I go on long rides), distance, and a few other things. Sometimes on long group rides (various centuries), I will load the cue sheet into the Garmin.
Incorrect...
MD for example. There are some roads between DC and Annapolis, that are single lane in each direction, with no shoulder at all. Some have barriers as well so you could not even jump off the bike and move over into the grass/gravel/whatever is next to the road. Guess what.. giant signs on those roads every mile or 2 that states.. "Share the Road with Cyclists"... MD also has a 3 foot law, meaning you cannot move your vehicle within 3 feet of the cyclist, which means if there is no passing, you cannot go past the cyclist. With a long line of vehicles behind the cyclist on an incline, it can be dangerous to stop, especially if the driver is not paying attention.
Most cyclist I know will wave cars past them when it is safe though.
You may wish to try a different phone.. as there is something wrong with you... I have never had an issue of being past my turn, except in extremely dense urban areas where people already know GPS is worthless (like downtown DC, NY, etc).
True, but at some point, you will want to get home, and if you are lost exploring, that means you might not know the way home.... GPS's do help in those situations.
Me personally, if I am not part of a structured ride, I will randomly go left and right depending on the direction of the wind, or my mood, or whatever, not following any predetermined route until I hit the 30 or 40 mile mark, then use my GPS (Garmin 810) to get me home again.
You are being a bit of an asshole here... and this just seems to show that you have a certain animosity towards cyclists in general, and odds are nothing I will say will change that.. I will counter all of your points reasonably without resorting to any more name calling.
"When you move to a new city, a GPS is the WORST thing you can use to 'learn' the city. This has been proven by multiple studies. GPS is a shitty way to learn since you don't learn, you just follow directions and don't absorb them or the route you took."
Same reason people use them in cars, roads under construction, roads closed, trying to get from A to B is not always as clear as people think. There are certain laws in most states (MD VA and DC), any road with a speed limit higher than 45mph, you cannot cycle on it, unless explicitly noted that cyclists are permitted (which usually means dedicated bike lanes, or rural country roads). Unless you know every back street, and different route, GPS (or paper maps would work too) allows for this impromptu change.
Then there are those of us who do distance riding, and may be doing a different 60, 100, or 120 mile route every couple of weeks, not all of that is in a straight line on a single road, and in those cases, you don't want to stop (or maybe you do if you want a rest) to look at a map, or a smartphone for that matter, Garmin make decent GPS cycling units that provide prompts. Stopping, especially on inclines absolutely kills your momentum. As for the uphill thing, yes it sucks for a car to be stuck behind a cyclist on a one lane road, and I will use my lane if legally till I get to the top, at which point I will wave the cars by.
"Why are you riding your bike in such a shitty environment that you're afraid to stop. That sounds like you're too stupid to make intelligent decisions about your path anyway, so its unlikely technology is going to save your dumbs."
Because every city, every place you live, has perfect little neighborhood, every road and highway has a bike lane, and everyone gets along without any problems....... Yeah no, life is not like that. I would love to cycle to and from work, except my options are to go from where I live, through 3 shitty areas of DC where I am likely to get shot and murdered at most, at the least I would get mugged... there are only certain routes from MD to VA, and they either involve a major highway, which the states frown upon when cyclists try to use them, or the shitty neighbourhood paths... and routing around said neighbourhoods involve an extra 30 miles on top of the initial 30 miles.. This has nothing to do with intelligence, more self preservation. Although the intelligent thing to do in this case is use a car. Some people don't have that option.
"Why should you plan? ... Technology doesn't save the ignorant, which is what you are, especially without a plan."
I agree with you here, except for the negative remark about being ignorant. Tech does not replace, and in most cases never will, it augments, and there is nothing wrong with that.
"Stopping up hill is a massive ball ache for you? Then I'm 100% certain you should have put your fat lazy fucking ass in a car. The speed you had is of very little use, it takes you the same energy to get up the hill and overcome gravity regardless of speed, anything else you experience is entirely in your head."
Really, okay I take bake my name calling statement, you are an idiot..... Momentum is the keep to getting up a hill. That consists of having enough forward momentum to get you as far as possible up the hill while still pedaling, only using less energy, till you get to a point where you have to pick a comfortable gear and grind your way to the top. This uses significantly less energy than just grinding away from the start of the hill.
So not only do you know nothing about cycling, your also one of those drivers who I will put my cleated boot through one of your windows, or dent/scrape the crap out of the side of your car as a defensive move if you violate the 3 foot law where I live, and I am legally using the road.
I'm a cyclist. I follow the rules (unlike my neighbour who I suspect I will be peeling off the road one day as he blows through stop signs). Okay I mostly follow the rules, I will slow down at certain intersections and proceed if clear, otherwise I stop.
I wish I could cycle to work as well, doing so would have me cycling through 2 states and a District through some not so lovely areas, and it is only 30 miles form home to office (when I am not traveling).
As for the chip on the shoulders, some do, but mostly it is the cyclist riding defensively and being a dick about it. Has to be done sometimes. Take DC for example, there are plenty of bike lanes next to regular lanes, yet buses, taxis, normal drivers, and cops like to occupy those lanes.... In a situation like that, I treat the lanes like an Ice Hockey goalie's crease, you enter my lane and I will take you head off (not literally), but a SPD cleat to the side of the car as a defensive move is perfectly acceptable.
Yes, not everyone follows the rules, bike messengers follow no rules, plenty of cyclists are douche bags, but the same goes for drivers. I see more asshole drivers in 4000 pound death machines then I do asshole cyclists.
Dealer chain == multiple dealers under the same company name..
I did not say you did not have to be a dealer and could still sell cars, I said you do not have to be part of a chain.
If a car brakes will falling in a vending machine, it will be fine as the brakes performed as intended... Now if the car breaks, that's a different story :)