One interesting thing about the distinction between Online and Offline privacy is that soon there will be no distinction. Web-Based shopping isn't the extent of Online monetary data exchange. 'Offline' supermarket tracking and loyalty cards would not be possible without technologies developed for or in conjunction with the internet. I'd go so far as to call any transaction done with a loyalty card, a digital id number, or even a credit card, is really an Online transaction.
These technologies put you Online, they correlate digitally reproducable data (your cc#, the store id, the $ amount of purchase) with a database containing personal information (cc companies require a name and ssn). This correlated data is stored in a computer. That computer may not be readily accessable through the internet, but it is most certain being passed over copper wires and optical fibers, and it is most definately online. The data is there, and it is matched to you, and with the right kind of access, interception capabilities, or coercion (governmental, monetary), all of that data, not just the data collected from the internet, can be made available.
We are numbers.
/me starts burning his fingerprints with acid and de-magnatizing his Visa card...
A strong Media is a good thing, when it works properly and within its limits. Just as a strong Government is a good thing when it works properly and within its limits. Neither one EVER works properly or within its limits... If the media gains access to private information that they have no right to be accessing then they should be watched and guarddogged as much as we watch and guarddog the Government.
I have to disagree that the increasing intrusion of the media into the lives of politicians and public figures is a bad thing, at least for the rest of us.
You've made somewhat of a mistake here. There is no 'rest of us', there is only us, and the systems we have put in place. If the system enables illicit intrusion into the lives of politicians, then it enables such intrusion into the lives of so called 'private' individuals. If the media is going beyond its bounds or if government agencies are going beyond their bounds in digging up info on politicians, then they are doing for individuals, and that is simple fact.
These people accept that they are to have their lives scrutinised to a far greater extent than normal people - it's part and parcel of being in the public eye.
Monica Lewinski did not volunteer to throw herself into the public. Okay, so she's not the best example, some might claim she was a media whore to begin with, but lets move on to her friends and family. I'm sure they had no intention of having their lives poured out onto the senate floor by a government snoop when they became aquaintences of a certain White House Intern. Its a slippery slope, and it doesn't stop with people in the so-called 'public-eye'. It leads to all of us, and that is why Katz and Rosen call for a greater divide between us and our systems in place.
Could you at least make them electronic Quarters? Pennies are rapidly being phased out by inflation. I doubt even quarters would be usefull or long lasting at this point. Why don't we, the technologically enabled and future focused agree, as new consumers, to say "Keep The Friggen Change" and just start rounding up to the dollar.
I'm sure Metallica and their buds over at RIAA could then find a way to sue the user for using the Metallica name. You all may or may not remember the nail polish fiasco where Metallica sued Urban Decay because of a they marketed under the name Metallica. Litigious little buggers, no?
This Orin character's got some shit to say. I wish I could have seen the looks on some of those RIAA faces.
"''Can I make a copy of a CD that I buy and put it into a car?'' asked Hatch. When Rosen hemmed and hawed, Hatch muttered, ''The answer is yes."
That Rosen chick is a tightwad nerd, and she's not even well spoken. I hope someone else besides me was listening to her and Gene Kan on NPR a couple weeks ago. Kan, soft spoken as his is, mopped the logical floor with her. I think the 'unbiased' interviewer gave a couple of tongue lashings as well.
"TO LEAHY, THOSE NUMBERS translated into political power. ''If 20 million Napster users get cut off,'' he warned, ''even those senators who are not sure what that large screen on the desks in their office is are going to start hearing from those people.'' This one's especially nice. Eventually it will become evident that the law is on the side of the rich and defensive minority of distributors when it comes to this mp3 bullshit. Then mayhap leahy's point will be put to some good use in good ol Washington DC.
You have concurrently been entered as Exhibit A into the "Having actually Learned Something from all of the struggles that soceities have gone through." exhibit. Thank you.
Specialization of labor is a fact, its not about greed, its not even about Capitalism, as it exists in the theoretical (i.e. not russian or chinese, but philisophical) Communist doctrine as well. Everyone works according to their abilities, which taking the best advantage of each individuals skill sets. It is not more self centered or self serving to want to contribute to society through technology, and it is not self centered or self serving to want to make the most out of your training and skill sets, or in general do the best work you can in a selective and efficient manner.
Um, I don't know if this is oT or not, but I kinda like the hum. It's very soothing in a way. I'm in college and interning at an IT Consulting firm, I was raised on TV, Radio, Computer, and now Cell Phone, Laptop and Permanent Internet Connection. I don't think I could drop the hum if I tried. I have fond (but disturbing) memories of being a latchkey kid and coming home to an empty house, and having my fear and loneliness be quieted by the hum of our shitty Sony Trinitron, which I had to keep muted to keep up the pretense that I wasn't just a kid alone in a house. The hum is a security blanket for many in my generation.
And while I wont disagree with any of the points raised about technology increases the work hours, (at work and at home), I will say that teens with cell phones are an insanely well connected force to be reckoned with. Time that used to be spent waiting under the oppressive watch of your parents for someone, ANYone to call and take you out, that time is now spent at cafes chilling out with a cup of coffee with friends, maybe a laptop where your making a site to throw up picks for friends who are away at college. And when the busy classwork needs to get done, its the dead trees that get whipped out, spread like a mealstreom across the floor, and stained with coffee and the wasted hours of youth.
So are they going to go after the Drudge Report for their Pixar/Disney Apple Merger story? Does the fact that they haven't mentioned it lend validity to the Drudge Story? Does anyone Care, as it is the Drudge Report we're talking about here people..? Whatever...
Can someone put together a couple of links to some of the more thorough reviews of Episode 1 and some of the other Episode 2 rumor pages so that we don't get baraged with everyone's 2.2 billion cents on whether or not Jar Jar should die, what outfit Natalie should wear next, and exactly how they predict the realization of the inefficiency of using Combat Droids will be fleshed out? Thank you in advance,
Screw Sealand and obvious susceptibility to foreign invasion and coercion. HavenCo and other aspiring offshore databanks need to start shooting their servers into orbit.
No governments, no intruders, nothing less than a Cold War Star Wars satellite could take it out (or a meteor shower, but that's what redundancy is for! Come on people, we can make Wintermute before the nationals even get a chance to restrict AI development (like they do every other future focused movement). Alright, so who's got Venture Capital?
I did check the link, and I did notice it was down, but it is the official link, so I left it. Hopefully it will be back up shortly. And who the hell is Ricky?
Zodiac is a nice little present day biopunk novel as well. He's definately progressing in the classical sense, which doesn't do a whole lot of good for us as cyberpunk fans, but is instead turning a whole legion of cyberpunks into lit geeks. Course it works both ways, in my experience at least. I've been able to use Stephenson to turn a whole slew of coffee-house liberal arts majors into cyberpunk fans. Maybe if Stephenson can find someone as cool as Chris Cunningham to turn something of his into a *GOOD* film (as we all hope Neuromancer will be) then he can get a little more back than a 'thousandaire' (lol) and have some backing to tour more settings for his future writings.
I think the most obvious predecessor to the Data Haven is the "Swiss", or Overseas Bank Account, affording the rich and discreet the opportunity to hide their wealth in a safe place away from prying eyes and overzealous governments. Use the equation that information is money and the Data Haven is a new feather on an old hat idea that frankly has taken far to long to be implemented imho, and not a creation of Islands in the Net or Cryptonomicon. In that vain I would like to congratulate HavenCo for getting us up to speed, and ask the CTO: During the 1980's insider trading crackdown, the US government, specifically the FBI, was able to use intimidation and clout to break open the records of one of those supposedly impenatrable overseas accounts to gain eveidence in the case against the infamous Michael Milkin. Do you forsee history repeating itself and HavenCo or the Sealand government being intimidated or coerced into opening up your data to other nations with vast and far reaching power? And the question we all *really* wanted to ask: will the dramatic theft scene in the next Mission Impossible sequel be Ethan Hunt stealing valuable data from under the noses of highly trained HavenCo guards? -chorder
Word. I guess that leads us back to the question of Sealand foriegn relations and the lack of security created by lack of international recognition or treaties. Which is being discussed in other threads but people with greater knowledge (hopefully) of international law and politics...
There are certain international laws floating about the world. With cryptographic programs being classified as arms I'm sure its concievable that the international community would find a way to weigh Sealand down with overburdensome sanctions because of HavenCo's customers. Not to mention the likelyhood of HavenCo's data attracting the attention of any number of national Intelligence Agencies. I suppose the point remains though that whole idea of a data haven is to be free of national law, which they will happily avoid.
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One interesting thing about the distinction between Online and Offline privacy is that soon there will be no distinction. Web-Based shopping isn't the extent of Online monetary data exchange. 'Offline' supermarket tracking and loyalty cards would not be possible without technologies developed for or in conjunction with the internet. I'd go so far as to call any transaction done with a loyalty card, a digital id number, or even a credit card, is really an Online transaction.
These technologies put you Online, they correlate digitally reproducable data (your cc#, the store id, the $ amount of purchase) with a database containing personal information (cc companies require a name and ssn). This correlated data is stored in a computer. That computer may not be readily accessable through the internet, but it is most certain being passed over copper wires and optical fibers, and it is most definately online. The data is there, and it is matched to you, and with the right kind of access, interception capabilities, or coercion (governmental, monetary), all of that data, not just the data collected from the internet, can be made available.
We are numbers.
/me starts burning his fingerprints with acid and de-magnatizing his Visa card...
A strong Media is a good thing, when it works properly and within its limits. Just as a strong Government is a good thing when it works properly and within its limits. Neither one EVER works properly or within its limits... If the media gains access to private information that they have no right to be accessing then they should be watched and guarddogged as much as we watch and guarddog the Government.
I have to disagree that the increasing intrusion of the media into the lives of politicians and public figures is a bad thing, at least for the rest of us.
You've made somewhat of a mistake here. There is no 'rest of us', there is only us, and the systems we have put in place. If the system enables illicit intrusion into the lives of politicians, then it enables such intrusion into the lives of so called 'private' individuals. If the media is going beyond its bounds or if government agencies are going beyond their bounds in digging up info on politicians, then they are doing for individuals, and that is simple fact.
These people accept that they are to have their lives scrutinised to a far greater extent than normal people - it's part and parcel of being in the public eye.
Monica Lewinski did not volunteer to throw herself into the public. Okay, so she's not the best example, some might claim she was a media whore to begin with, but lets move on to her friends and family. I'm sure they had no intention of having their lives poured out onto the senate floor by a government snoop when they became aquaintences of a certain White House Intern. Its a slippery slope, and it doesn't stop with people in the so-called 'public-eye'. It leads to all of us, and that is why Katz and Rosen call for a greater divide between us and our systems in place.
Could you at least make them electronic Quarters? Pennies are rapidly being phased out by inflation. I doubt even quarters would be usefull or long lasting at this point. Why don't we, the technologically enabled and future focused agree, as new consumers, to say "Keep The Friggen Change" and just start rounding up to the dollar.
Just a thought.
I'm sure Metallica and their buds over at RIAA could then find a way to sue the user for using the Metallica name. You all may or may not remember the nail polish fiasco where Metallica sued Urban Decay because of a they marketed under the name Metallica. Litigious little buggers, no?
This Orin character's got some shit to say. I wish I could have seen the looks on some of those RIAA faces.
"''Can I make a copy of a CD that I buy and put it into a car?'' asked Hatch.
When Rosen hemmed and hawed, Hatch muttered, ''The answer is yes."
That Rosen chick is a tightwad nerd, and she's not even well spoken. I hope someone else besides me was listening to her and Gene Kan on NPR a couple weeks ago. Kan, soft spoken as his is, mopped the logical floor with her. I think the 'unbiased' interviewer gave a couple of tongue lashings as well.
"TO LEAHY, THOSE NUMBERS translated into political power. ''If 20 million Napster
users get cut off,'' he warned, ''even those senators who are not sure what that large
screen on the desks in their office is are going to start hearing from those people.''
This one's especially nice. Eventually it will become evident that the law is on the side of the rich and defensive minority of distributors when it comes to this mp3 bullshit. Then mayhap leahy's point will be put to some good use in good ol Washington DC.
You have concurrently been entered as Exhibit A into the "Having actually Learned Something from all of the struggles that soceities have gone through." exhibit. Thank you.
Specialization of labor is a fact, its not about greed, its not even about Capitalism, as it exists in the theoretical (i.e. not russian or chinese, but philisophical) Communist doctrine as well. Everyone works according to their abilities, which taking the best advantage of each individuals skill sets. It is not more self centered or self serving to want to contribute to society through technology, and it is not self centered or self serving to want to make the most out of your training and skill sets, or in general do the best work you can in a selective and efficient manner.
Waste is a thief.
Um, I don't know if this is oT or not, but I kinda like the hum. It's very soothing in a way. I'm in college and interning at an IT Consulting firm, I was raised on TV, Radio, Computer, and now Cell Phone, Laptop and Permanent Internet Connection. I don't think I could drop the hum if I tried. I have fond (but disturbing) memories of being a latchkey kid and coming home to an empty house, and having my fear and loneliness be quieted by the hum of our shitty Sony Trinitron, which I had to keep muted to keep up the pretense that I wasn't just a kid alone in a house. The hum is a security blanket for many in my generation.
And while I wont disagree with any of the points raised about technology increases the work hours, (at work and at home), I will say that teens with cell phones are an insanely well connected force to be reckoned with. Time that used to be spent waiting under the oppressive watch of your parents for someone, ANYone to call and take you out, that time is now spent at cafes chilling out with a cup of coffee with friends, maybe a laptop where your making a site to throw up picks for friends who are away at college. And when the busy classwork needs to get done, its the dead trees that get whipped out, spread like a mealstreom across the floor, and stained with coffee and the wasted hours of youth.
-chorderSo are they going to go after the Drudge Report for their Pixar/Disney Apple Merger story? Does the fact that they haven't mentioned it lend validity to the Drudge Story? Does anyone Care, as it is the Drudge Report we're talking about here people..?
Whatever...
Can someone put together a couple of links to some of the more thorough reviews of Episode 1 and some of the other Episode 2 rumor pages so that we don't get baraged with everyone's 2.2 billion cents on whether or not Jar Jar should die, what outfit Natalie should wear next, and exactly how they predict the realization of the inefficiency of using Combat Droids will be fleshed out? Thank you in advance,
-chorder
Screw Sealand and obvious susceptibility to foreign invasion and coercion. HavenCo and other aspiring offshore databanks need to start shooting their servers into orbit.
No governments, no intruders, nothing less than a Cold War Star Wars satellite could take it out (or a meteor shower, but that's what redundancy is for! Come on people, we can make Wintermute before the nationals even get a chance to restrict AI development (like they do every other future focused movement). Alright, so who's got Venture Capital?
-chorder
I did check the link, and I did notice it was down, but it is the official link, so I left it. Hopefully it will be back up shortly. And who the hell is Ricky?
Zodiac is a nice little present day biopunk novel as well. He's definately progressing in the classical sense, which doesn't do a whole lot of good for us as cyberpunk fans, but is instead turning a whole legion of cyberpunks into lit geeks. Course it works both ways, in my experience at least. I've been able to use Stephenson to turn a whole slew of coffee-house liberal arts majors into cyberpunk fans. Maybe if Stephenson can find someone as cool as Chris Cunningham to turn something of his into a *GOOD* film (as we all hope Neuromancer will be) then he can get a little more back than a 'thousandaire' (lol) and have some backing to tour more settings for his future writings.
I think the most obvious predecessor to the Data Haven is the "Swiss", or Overseas Bank Account, affording the rich and discreet the opportunity to hide their wealth in a safe place away from prying eyes and overzealous governments. Use the equation that information is money and the Data Haven is a new feather on an old hat idea that frankly has taken far to long to be implemented imho, and not a creation of Islands in the Net or Cryptonomicon.
In that vain I would like to congratulate HavenCo for getting us up to speed, and ask the CTO:
During the 1980's insider trading crackdown, the US government, specifically the FBI, was able to use intimidation and clout to break open the records of one of those supposedly impenatrable overseas accounts to gain eveidence in the case against the infamous Michael Milkin. Do you forsee history repeating itself and HavenCo or the Sealand government being intimidated or coerced into opening up your data to other nations with vast and far reaching power?
And the question we all *really* wanted to ask: will the dramatic theft scene in the next Mission Impossible sequel be Ethan Hunt stealing valuable data from under the noses of highly trained HavenCo guards?
-chorder
Word. I guess that leads us back to the question of Sealand foriegn relations and the lack of security created by lack of international recognition or treaties. Which is being discussed in other threads but people with greater knowledge (hopefully) of international law and politics...
There are certain international laws floating about the world. With cryptographic programs being classified as arms I'm sure its concievable that the international community would find a way to weigh Sealand down with overburdensome sanctions because of HavenCo's customers. Not to mention the likelyhood of HavenCo's data attracting the attention of any number of national Intelligence Agencies. I suppose the point remains though that whole idea of a data haven is to be free of national law, which they will happily avoid.