Around the timeframe of Raster's early theme attempts (when he had themed the button, remember?) I sent/. a scoop about a nice hack I had done. See, I had totally, programatically themed Qt's buttons, scrollbars, menus and a few other widgets.
It was technically interesting (if a bit perverse), and it was totally legal.
Now, do you think/. carried that?
Want to know what they *did* carry? An article about Rasterman's work, and then an article about a new screenshot of Rasterman's work:-)
Of course Rasterman's work deserved every story it got, I had lots of fun with it, but don't try telling me/. covers both environments equally.
Then again, it is/.'s right to be unfair. It's not like/. is actually IMPORTANT, right?
BTW: do you think posting each GNOME article as from the "extremely-cool-things-you-want-to-die-for-departm ent" (not really, but almost) and KDE's from the "equal-time-department" shows an image of fairness?
Free software is not a democracy, it has never been a democracy, it should not be a democracy, and I hope it will never be a democracy.
Free software is aristocracy. People who give away code have rights those who just consume that code lacks, and that is good.
The only differences with traditional aristocracies is that every aristocrat is at the same time a part of the mass, since everyone uses more code thn he produces, and that the masses are not opressed because they can become aristocrats by their own effort, or leave the system (and go back to commercial software).
That was the point: it is NOT a democracy. You have no rights over Caldera, you have no vote on their decisions, they have no duty towards you.
One good reason that comes to mind for this is because Nancy must be getting a gazillion mails asking when wil they release. Well, it's in 4 weeks, stop emailing;-)
A lot of the posts in this forum seem to indicate that some people believe they have some right to criticize Caldera for what software they release and for under what license they release such software.
Well, let me tell you this: you don't. They *own* that software. It's not any of your business.
You have no right whatsoever. All this "I won't accept it if it isn't GPL" makes me sick. Who died and gave you the right to accept or deny anything for the "community"?
You can just accept or refuse to accept it for you and for whoever may be unfortunate enough to have to live with your decisions, and that is it. Anything else is whining.
And that's why this "community" seems to me more pathetic every month. More people whine. Those who whine are louder. The whiners are getting more and more unreasonable about what they choose to whine about.
You don't like Caldera? Don't buy them. If enough people dislike them, they will go under. You want to criticize Caldera? Go ahead, that's your God given right. But don't do it on the basis that Caldera owes you anything, they don't.
Some even express their "concern" about the existence of a graphic installer? WHAT??? Hey, who's taking away from you the current RH installer? Is Caldera forbidding you from using dselect? I know this is obvious, but why then some people seem to have such a hard time understanding it?
I am pissed, and I hope it shows.
Anyway: thanks Caldera, you didn't have to, but thanks for doing it!
Disclaimer: My connection with Caldera is that I got a courtesy copy of Caldera 2.2, which has since found a nice home in a public school's computer.
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If you find anything in KDE that can't be done with the keyboard, report it as a bug.
This is a rumour that has been around for a while, and it totally unfounded.
At the time RH 6.0 went to press, KDE 1.1 was *not* released. The latest version was 1.1pre1, and that had been released weeks ago, and a number of bugs fixed.
RH asked if we were releasing 1.1 for their deadline, and we weren't.
So, they had a few options:
1) Ship 1.0 2) Ship 1.1pre1 3) Delay RH 6.0 (costly, and practically unfeasible) 4) Get what was in CVS at the time and test it the best they could.
1) Was out of the question. The CVS tuff was a lot more stable.
2) Asked by RH representatives, several KDE developers, (including me) said that the current CVS code was better than 1.1pre1 (it was, IMHO)
3) Not really possible.
4) What they did, *after* asking for advice.
RH acted in what at the time seemed the best possible way given the situation.
And before someone asks: I am no RH fan. I dislike their distribution quite a bit, and have my own grudges with the company's politics, but this is not one of them.
Qt 2.0 is free, open source, has theme support more powerful than gtk's (you can't change a widget's topology in gtk:-P), there are bindings for python, perl, C and BASH (yes, really).
Mill, dear, find something in a massive media said by a known KDE developer which looks basically like agression towards GNOME, and I'll pay you a beer.
The closest I can remember is Kalle saying something "I don't think spending all that effort in GNOME was a good idea" and he getting flamed to Singapur and back.
1) Matthias was not suggesting anyone abandoned AbiWord, he was suggesting that perhaps it was smarter to spend effort on KWord than on porting AbiWord to KDE. (this is what happens when you quote out of context).
2) You are obviously a happy gnumeric user. Can you say with a straight face that it is "full featured", as it is mentioned in some GNOME press releases?
3) Filters: if you want Excel filters, use SIAG, which is really a full featured spreadsheet, with several versions, including a KDE port.
If Matthias giving his opinion in kde-devel is the same as you giving your "opinion" in the BBC, then me, blowing my nose in my bedroom, is the same as a nuclear test in Nevada.
You really think you got a hard time in/.? Honestly?
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Topic seen. You: see doctor.
Or rather like 0.8333 years, as there was slightly less than a 10 month gap, from October 16 1996 to sometime in early August 1997.
Read the docs. It's quite easy to make kfm have no icons.
kfm -w
IIRC
He has said so in half a dozen of his articles in LinuxWorld. Don't you read them?
Or you mean he is a KDE fan, but uses GNOME for some hidden reason?
Or perhaps that even though he likes GNOME better, he understands that currently in some situations KDE is more suited?
Or what in heaven are you talking about, (that is not in your own mind, I mean)
Around the timeframe of Raster's early theme attempts (when he had themed the button, remember?) I sent /. a scoop about a nice hack I had done. See, I had totally, programatically themed Qt's buttons, scrollbars, menus and a few other widgets.
/. carried that?
:-)
/. covers both environments equally.
/.'s right to be unfair. It's not like /. is actually IMPORTANT, right?
m ent" (not really, but almost) and KDE's from the "equal-time-department" shows an image of fairness?
It was technically interesting (if a bit perverse), and it was totally legal.
Now, do you think
Want to know what they *did* carry? An article about Rasterman's work, and then an article about a new screenshot of Rasterman's work
Of course Rasterman's work deserved every story it got, I had lots of fun with it, but don't try telling me
Then again, it is
BTW: do you think posting each GNOME article as from the "extremely-cool-things-you-want-to-die-for-depart
1) Where did you get the $500 from?
2) Debian makes nearly none of they software they distribute.
3) Red Hat makes nearly none of the software they sell.
4) Caldera makes nearly none of the software they sell.
I'd bet, just from the screenshots, that Corel is making more software than the average.
Do you see a trend?
And now put down that cigarette!
Free software is not a democracy, it has never been a democracy, it should not be a democracy, and I hope it will never be a democracy.
Free software is aristocracy. People who give away code have rights those who just consume that code lacks, and that is good.
The only differences with traditional aristocracies is that every aristocrat is at the same time a part of the mass, since everyone uses more code thn he produces, and that the masses are not opressed because they can become aristocrats by their own effort, or leave the system (and go back to commercial software).
That was the point: it is NOT a democracy. You have no rights over Caldera, you have no vote on their decisions, they have no duty towards you.
One good reason that comes to mind for this is because Nancy must be getting a gazillion mails asking when wil they release. Well, it's in 4 weeks, stop emailing ;-)
And downhill it has gone since I can remember.
A lot of the posts in this forum seem to indicate that some people believe they have some right to criticize Caldera for what software they release and for under what license they release such software.
Well, let me tell you this: you don't. They *own* that software. It's not any of your business.
You have no right whatsoever. All this "I won't accept it if it isn't GPL" makes me sick. Who died and gave you the right to accept or deny anything for the "community"?
You can just accept or refuse to accept it for you and for whoever may be unfortunate enough to have to live with your decisions, and that is it. Anything else is whining.
And that's why this "community" seems to me more pathetic every month. More people whine. Those who whine are louder. The whiners are getting more and more unreasonable about what they choose to whine about.
You don't like Caldera? Don't buy them. If enough people dislike them, they will go under. You want to criticize Caldera? Go ahead, that's your God given right. But don't do it on the basis that Caldera owes you anything, they don't.
Some even express their "concern" about the existence of a graphic installer? WHAT???
Hey, who's taking away from you the current RH installer? Is Caldera forbidding you from using dselect? I know this is obvious, but why then some people seem to have such a hard time understanding it?
I am pissed, and I hope it shows.
Anyway: thanks Caldera, you didn't have to, but thanks for doing it!
Disclaimer: My connection with Caldera is that I got a courtesy copy of Caldera 2.2, which has since found a nice home in a public school's computer.
If you find anything in KDE that can't be done with the keyboard, report it as a bug.
If you are not willing to improve it yourself, you are imposing your way of doing things on the developers.
Most knives cut both ways.
They did it because that's how they interpreted the FHS.
Debian did the same.
It is supposed to work when using that configuration, it is just a lot less tested.
This is a rumour that has been around for a while, and it totally unfounded.
At the time RH 6.0 went to press, KDE 1.1 was *not* released. The latest version was 1.1pre1, and that had been released weeks ago, and a number of bugs fixed.
RH asked if we were releasing 1.1 for their deadline, and we weren't.
So, they had a few options:
1) Ship 1.0
2) Ship 1.1pre1
3) Delay RH 6.0 (costly, and practically unfeasible)
4) Get what was in CVS at the time and test it the best they could.
1) Was out of the question. The CVS tuff was a lot more stable.
2) Asked by RH representatives, several KDE developers, (including me) said that the current CVS code was better than 1.1pre1 (it was, IMHO)
3) Not really possible.
4) What they did, *after* asking for advice.
RH acted in what at the time seemed the best possible way given the situation.
And before someone asks: I am no RH fan. I dislike their distribution quite a bit, and have my own grudges with the company's politics, but this is not one of them.
That's precisely what I meant by expert mode, sorry if I was not clear.
And anyway: 95% of the people *do* install from a IDE CD on a x86 with IDE HD, don't they?
Convenience for the majority is not precisely a problem.
If you do, as you say, "know more than dirt", then you should be able to get to the expert mode installer.
;-)
Why didn't you?
Hey, it does work on Qt 2.0.
;-) I had done it a year before Qt had any styles/themes whatsoever:
Even the provided platinum style does it.
In fact (if I may brag a bit
http://ultra7.unl.edu.ar/themes/desktop01.gif
Moving both scrollbars buttons to one edge of the widget is one example I was told was not readily possible in gtk.
Please notice that this information I got second hand, so it may not be totally accurate.
http://www.mieterra.com/download/
Qt 2.0 is free, open source, has theme support more powerful than gtk's (you can't change a widget's topology in gtk :-P), there are bindings for python, perl, C and BASH (yes, really).
So, senseless bashing has to die.
Mill, dear, find something in a massive media said by a known KDE developer which looks basically like agression towards GNOME, and I'll pay you a beer.
The closest I can remember is Kalle saying something "I don't think spending all that effort in GNOME was a good idea" and he getting flamed to Singapur and back.
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... gnome-hackers was always on the same level as your private kde-private mailing list.
So what if it is not output-only to me.
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Well, wasn't your problem it being output-only?
Let me explain the unknowing public what you need to do to get posting permission in kde-devel:
Send an email to konold@kde.org telling him that you are interested in development of kde. Yeah, it's so DIFFICULT.
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gnome-hackers was always closed.
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The same kde-private list that you *demanded* to have read/write access to? Remember that little rant of yours?
The same kde-private list that you annoyed everyone about for weeks? The one whose existance you deemed proof of kde being eeeevil?
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Your point is then?
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If you can't see it, there is no point in explaining it.
No, not at all because:
a) I don't mind GNOME having a private mailing list at all. (I do mind Miguel showing double standards, though)
b) I have never trolled a GNOME IRC channel (much less done that for two whole weeks)
1) Matthias was not suggesting anyone abandoned AbiWord, he was suggesting that perhaps it was smarter to spend effort on KWord than on porting AbiWord to KDE. (this is what happens when you quote out of context).
2) You are obviously a happy gnumeric user. Can you say with a straight face that it is "full featured", as it is mentioned in some GNOME press releases?
3) Filters: if you want Excel filters, use SIAG, which is really a full featured spreadsheet, with several versions, including a KDE port.
Funny, I still remember how you were all angry about KDE having a private mailing list.
Of course that was when you were immature and liked to troll #kde 24/7, telling everyone that KDE was eeeeeeevil.
I'm sure you've grown past that.
Let's put it this way, Miguel:
/.?
If Matthias giving his opinion in kde-devel is the same as you giving your "opinion" in the BBC, then me, blowing my nose in my bedroom, is the same as a nuclear test in Nevada.
You really think you got a hard time in
Honestly?