I am a Swiss citizen. With the current project and argumentation I will clearly say no. The parlement votation have already rejected it by 146 vote no and 14 vote yes. I would not be surprised that the popular votation will be rejected with a similar ratio.
No, the text to be voted is almost empty and let all the hard questions to be defined later. So even if the votation is adopted (very unlikely) this will be only the start of the implementation process that will take years and will certainly show how impossible it is in practice. So at some point a new initiative will be voted to remove the text from the constitution as fast as it have been added. This is the normal political process here in Switzerland.
I have not found a list in English, but this is only a list of the popular initiatives in Switzerland https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/... There is also referendum and federal initiatives. Just to show how normal it's here to vote on many different subjects. It's very usual for the Swiss citizens to vote on more than 10 subjects per years.
Agree that's not the fault of the UBI. The problem is that the UBI don't take this problem in account, unlike the various social systems actually in place in Switzerland.
Getting construction credit from bank is increasingly difficult in Switzerland since many years already, so don't expect the UBI to make any change on the ratio of the population that can own there home or appartement. The inflation will most likely increase to the point where the UBI will be without clear effects. As the prices in Switzerland are already too high, this will collapse most of the economy because the production motivation is likely to decrease at the same time.
The UBI will be dramatically unfaire between peoples that have very different expenses. For example peoples that already own there house or appartement will be unfairly advantaged compared to the peoples that have to rent a comparable house or appartement. This exactly why social administration is a complex subject: you can't give the same amount to everybody without taking in account every specific situations.
Please link a plausible scientific study on that very subject that take prof from a real full scale experimentation without any bias.
Just ask yourself what you define by "work". If that some activity that please yourself and your relationship, or is that activity that have high risks, hard, and that almost nobody notice. Why would you want to do that kind of work ?
If you live alone, unless you own your house or appartement, I agree. If you live in couple this make CHF 5000 / month without doing anything and this is far more interesting. If you own your house or appartement this is certainly a very confortable situation if you compare to peoples that have no jobs in the neighbor countries.
Incidentally, this show how unfaire the UBI is. Actual social administration take a look at the individual revenu and expense situation to supply what is needed. A UBI will outrageously advantage peoples that already own there house or appartement.
Full of bullshit. 1) CHF is actually higher than EUR: You need about 1.10 CHF to buy 1.00 EUR: http://finance.yahoo.com/echar...{"allowChartStacking":true} 2) Switzerland have debt and try to reduce it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... 3) Swiss National Bank treasury is to manage the CHF speculation and the variation of the revenue or loss change quickly with very high values.
Most peoples (French and Swiss) that commute into Switzerland do that because it's cheaper to live in France. The introduction of the UBI will be dramatic in all cases: 1) Apply to them: the advantage to live in France will be greatly reduced, making the price of appartement even more higher in Geneva because there is a lack of space, so that quickly all the prices will absorbe the UBI in the direction of the previous situation. 2) Do not apply to them. As all those peoples already have a provable job in Switzerland, there will have no problem to legally migrate in Switzerland to get the UBI, causing the exact same situation as in 1).
"they could fix" is the buzz word in every discussions about the UBI in Switzerland. This clearly show how incompetent the promoters if this initiative are: there escape any hard question by saying that the legislation will fix the problem later even if there publicly admit that there have no clue about what the fix could be. That's a joke that nobody want.
$30000 / year lifestyle in Switzerland is actually hard if you don't live in a cheap location. Renting only could very quickly take more than half of that money.
"the Swiss version of the Republicans" ? I really don't know what you are taking about. In Switzerland all the leading parties are proportionally represented in all political institutions including up to the head of state ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). Consequently, there is no single party that can rules the population.
Unlike the dramatic situation like in France or in the USA, in Switzerland the different parties are forced work together in order to propose something acceptable for the votations, as every change on the constitution require a majority of the voting citizens and cantons to be adopted.
The Swiss vote on the universal basic income will only take place because it's part of the normal political process here. But even the promoters of it agree publicly that there is no chance at all to be adopted now. There only goal is to force discussion about simplification of the various social income administrations as there is many of them in Switzerland. There also openly admit that the proposed modification of the Swiss federal constitution will not give a clue about how to get the money, and this make the whole affaire just a joke from the point of view of many peoples here.
Well, mostly agree, this depend of the situation. For some very simple situation a periodic rsync could be just enough (I agree this is a very light definition of 'backup'). For more demanding situations there could be exiting backup management software using rsync that work very well. For a few others very unusual situations, not handled by existing backup software, a set of scripts around rsync could be a good solution.
Still not as complete as the original, but giving the giant amount of Minecraft users, Minetest project is not likely to fail even is only a very small fraction of Minecraft users actually make contribution to Minetest.
man sync [...] -b, --backup
With this option, preexisting destination files are renamed as each file is transferred or deleted. You can control where the backup file goes and what (if any) suffix gets appended using the
--backup-dir and --suffix options.
It enough to make a lot of Toyota customer unhappy. Microsoft is a brand that carry one of the most heavy pain in the mass market. Any new linked to that name is risky.
I like the Toyota concept of having touch screen with buttons on the steering wheel. Most used functions is just a button push. I personally prefer the digital display, especially the head up version. But more and more cars will let you take the choice of the display by configuration in the futur.
I hope AI would help to analyse the./ comments. Still long long way before some AI will make me buy a car loaded with Microsoft OS, even if I owned Toyota cars until now.
You are very wrong. The vast majority of Linux devices today are Android smartphones and tablet, TV, routers, and a lot of embedded systems. On those markets, Microsoft simply failed to deliver a competitive solution.
Mostly agree. Ubuntu has the advantage of his Debian base and the disadvantage of some bad software architecture decisions. But it's undeniable that Canonical successfully pushed Ubuntu in many area like no others distributions was able to do. As long at Ubuntu stay close enough to Debian, this is fine.
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I am a Swiss citizen. With the current project and argumentation I will clearly say no.
The parlement votation have already rejected it by 146 vote no and 14 vote yes.
I would not be surprised that the popular votation will be rejected with a similar ratio.
No, the text to be voted is almost empty and let all the hard questions to be defined later. So even if the votation is adopted (very unlikely) this will be only the start of the implementation process that will take years and will certainly show how impossible it is in practice. So at some point a new initiative will be voted to remove the text from the constitution as fast as it have been added. This is the normal political process here in Switzerland.
I have not found a list in English, but this is only a list of the popular initiatives in Switzerland https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/... There is also referendum and federal initiatives. Just to show how normal it's here to vote on many different subjects. It's very usual for the Swiss citizens to vote on more than 10 subjects per years.
Agree that's not the fault of the UBI. The problem is that the UBI don't take this problem in account, unlike the various social systems actually in place in Switzerland.
Getting construction credit from bank is increasingly difficult in Switzerland since many years already, so don't expect the UBI to make any change on the ratio of the population that can own there home or appartement. The inflation will most likely increase to the point where the UBI will be without clear effects. As the prices in Switzerland are already too high, this will collapse most of the economy because the production motivation is likely to decrease at the same time.
The UBI will be dramatically unfaire between peoples that have very different expenses. For example peoples that already own there house or appartement will be unfairly advantaged compared to the peoples that have to rent a comparable house or appartement. This exactly why social administration is a complex subject: you can't give the same amount to everybody without taking in account every specific situations.
Minimum wage is the result of a production work, not from someone that do nothing that could be taxed.
Please link a plausible scientific study on that very subject that take prof from a real full scale experimentation without any bias.
Just ask yourself what you define by "work". If that some activity that please yourself and your relationship, or is that activity that have high risks, hard, and that almost nobody notice. Why would you want to do that kind of work ?
If you live alone, unless you own your house or appartement, I agree.
If you live in couple this make CHF 5000 / month without doing anything and this is far more interesting. If you own your house or appartement this is certainly a very confortable situation if you compare to peoples that have no jobs in the neighbor countries.
Incidentally, this show how unfaire the UBI is. Actual social administration take a look at the individual revenu and expense situation to supply what is needed. A UBI will outrageously advantage peoples that already own there house or appartement.
Full of bullshit.
1) CHF is actually higher than EUR: You need about 1.10 CHF to buy 1.00 EUR: http://finance.yahoo.com/echar...{"allowChartStacking":true}
2) Switzerland have debt and try to reduce it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
3) Swiss National Bank treasury is to manage the CHF speculation and the variation of the revenue or loss change quickly with very high values.
Most peoples (French and Swiss) that commute into Switzerland do that because it's cheaper to live in France. The introduction of the UBI will be dramatic in all cases:
1) Apply to them: the advantage to live in France will be greatly reduced, making the price of appartement even more higher in Geneva because there is a lack of space, so that quickly all the prices will absorbe the UBI in the direction of the previous situation.
2) Do not apply to them. As all those peoples already have a provable job in Switzerland, there will have no problem to legally migrate in Switzerland to get the UBI, causing the exact same situation as in 1).
"they could fix" is the buzz word in every discussions about the UBI in Switzerland. This clearly show how incompetent the promoters if this initiative are: there escape any hard question by saying that the legislation will fix the problem later even if there publicly admit that there have no clue about what the fix could be. That's a joke that nobody want.
$30000 / year lifestyle in Switzerland is actually hard if you don't live in a cheap location. Renting only could very quickly take more than half of that money.
"the Swiss version of the Republicans" ? I really don't know what you are taking about. In Switzerland all the leading parties are proportionally represented in all political institutions including up to the head of state ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... ). Consequently, there is no single party that can rules the population.
Unlike the dramatic situation like in France or in the USA, in Switzerland the different parties are forced work together in order to propose something acceptable for the votations, as every change on the constitution require a majority of the voting citizens and cantons to be adopted.
The Swiss vote on the universal basic income will only take place because it's part of the normal political process here. But even the promoters of it agree publicly that there is no chance at all to be adopted now. There only goal is to force discussion about simplification of the various social income administrations as there is many of them in Switzerland. There also openly admit that the proposed modification of the Swiss federal constitution will not give a clue about how to get the money, and this make the whole affaire just a joke from the point of view of many peoples here.
Well, mostly agree, this depend of the situation.
For some very simple situation a periodic rsync could be just enough (I agree this is a very light definition of 'backup').
For more demanding situations there could be exiting backup management software using rsync that work very well.
For a few others very unusual situations, not handled by existing backup software, a set of scripts around rsync could be a good solution.
http://www.minetest.net/
Still not as complete as the original, but giving the giant amount of Minecraft users, Minetest project is not likely to fail even is only a very small fraction of Minecraft users actually make contribution to Minetest.
Then use rsync batch mode to maintain multiple offline and offsite copy. That's still simple.
Err, please read 'man rsync' of course :-)
I also used the rsync batch mode to keep the last 6 months daily backup.
man sync
[...]
-b, --backup
With this option, preexisting destination files are renamed as each file is transferred or deleted. You can control where the backup file goes and what (if any) suffix gets appended using the
--backup-dir and --suffix options.
That's so simple and effective, work on local network as well as on remote networks thank's to ssh.
It enough to make a lot of Toyota customer unhappy. Microsoft is a brand that carry one of the most heavy pain in the mass market. Any new linked to that name is risky.
I like the Toyota concept of having touch screen with buttons on the steering wheel. Most used functions is just a button push.
I personally prefer the digital display, especially the head up version.
But more and more cars will let you take the choice of the display by configuration in the futur.
I hope AI would help to analyse the ./ comments.
Still long long way before some AI will make me buy a car loaded with Microsoft OS, even if I owned Toyota cars until now.
Same here.
You are very wrong. The vast majority of Linux devices today are Android smartphones and tablet, TV, routers, and a lot of embedded systems. On those markets, Microsoft simply failed to deliver a competitive solution.
Mostly agree. Ubuntu has the advantage of his Debian base and the disadvantage of some bad software architecture decisions. But it's undeniable that Canonical successfully pushed Ubuntu in many area like no others distributions was able to do. As long at Ubuntu stay close enough to Debian, this is fine.