Sure, but tariffs themselves don't actually address any of those problems. Especially when there are no local sources for any of these goods.
You touched on the fundamental problem here and the lack of understanding by the GP. These kinds of tariffs are good but they need to exist up front from the startup of the industry, not as some retaliation. When tariffs are eliminated and the cost of goods get externalised and production moves to another country re-introducing the tariffs only serves to depress the buying power of your local economy.
I am for basic tariffs on certain Chinese goods. However these tariffs here at the moment covering the things they do and with the reasons for introduction have got to be the dumbest thing I have seen in the global market short of countries thinking all they need to do to fix their economy is print money.
To do what? Before you can make that claim you need a justifiable reason to coerce them to do something.
Socialism is good and necessary.
In order to bring the necessary minimum outcome to all people. Something important for social security and necessities like healthcare, housing, and being able to feed yourself. It is most certainly not universally "good" as by its nature it involves major compromises in order to achieve equality.
On the other hand right now we're talking about a completely private service not fundamentally necessary to anyone, and used by a tiny portion of the population. That population has spoken and chosen. Their best outcome is the cheapest possible ticket. Socialism is for necessary government services, not for the private sector offering a very much catered and tiered service.
As a tall person myself I also don't complain that I can't fit on the kids slides at the local playground either.
And in 2014 australia stopped accepting signatures at all.
Australia stopped accepting signatures long before then on any card with a pin configured. Australia legally mandated that signatures no longer be accepted in 2014.
A thief will also be happy with your phone or jewellery, and will probably take your wallet and run rather than open it and inspect it in your presence.
I was once casually robbed off my wallet at gunpoint (though I presume finger point but I wasn't prepared for the fight over a few bits of plastic).
I actually saw that same thief 15minutes later again and asked if I could have my wallet back and he gave it back and complained to me about the lack of cash in it.
*Note: This lighthearted story brought to you from the Don't Try This At Home department.
and they won't accept that someone does not want to join their cult.
Wait are we talking about cycling or people getting their driver's licenses?
Also this is going to come across as harsh but have you ever considered finding a group of people who aren't dicks? There are plenty of places for casual cycling to help you build your skills, and it's not some ungodly difficult activity to learn. Finding some people described as dicks does not make the entire transportation process a cult.
I live in the Ohio valley. It took forever for it to stop snowing this year.
And where I live there are signs up saying that you're not allowed to bring your bicycles through the lobby if you have studded snow tires and need to use the back entrance instead.
You know what has actually run out since 1971. Not a god damn thing. Not once, not ever.
Must be nice for you living in a rich country where you can simply import what you don't have.
Back in reality which we call the world: Water: 1.1bn people lack access to safe fresh drinking water. Remember that next time you're drinking it from a bottle. Oil: We have all but run out of easily accessible oil. We're now digging to incredible new depths in parts of the world, while stripping entire rainforrests for tar sands in others to accommodate your indifference. Coal: That we've not run out of, not in Australia anyway. You may have only heard you were running out of it because some countries hadn't sold their sole to industrialism yet. But in other countries... well they used to liquefy it because they had no oil. Forests: Well obviously they are still here. You seem to not know the difference between "running out" and "have run out of". Maybe google a map of deforrestation to see why you should care about this now rather than just writing an ignorant post. Landfill Space: It must be nice to have been in a country where you could happily export your garbage. Speaking of, you know why we're hearing less about this now? Well it could be to do with recycling, or maybe it was due to garbage reprocessing, but maybe even the aforementioned exporting. Nope, it's a conspiracy. We're not running out of space, just pile it up anywhere you want.
Look I'd like to keep calling out your ignorant bullshit all day, but I'm sure even slashdot has a word limit in this box so let me summarise:
All of the things you listed are either: a) still a problem b) we have found new resources through the use of ever more dangerous and environmentally disastrous methods of extraction c) we have solved through some technical means. d) were never a problem in the first place (the world has too many Jesus believers specifically)
In each case having awareness and admitting the problem is the first step to solving it. Your patience has run out? May I suggest medicating yourself. After all your bring should be capable of processing information and solving problems from the moment you're born until you get dementia or die, so I am genuinely concerned for your health since you appear to be giving up on life in general.
You are the problem. Saying your patience has run out implies you may not always have been. That is truly sad.
Accommodations are reasonable. They are currently designed for exactly what customers want: The lowest possible cost. Sure there are a few oddballs who want more leg room, and for those people, well Airlines accommodate them too.
Don't force your opinions on me just because you want your leg room at my seat prices*.
*Actually I pay the premium for the legroom happily knowing that prices are now comically low.
It also makes it easy for extremists to get their point across as the complete set of legislation that affects people is so large and complex that no reasonable person can understand all the issues. This is the primary reasons representative democracies exist.
Direct democracies like all systems have benefits and downsides.
Utterly shocking if you're from place with a corrupt government like the United States or the EU.
Oh the EU? Which of the 28 countries specifically are you talking about? There are many fine examples within the EU of governments that work happily for citizens rather than the other way around. Yet calling them all "EU" just dilutes your claim.
note that the Swiss government will kick out illegal immigrants
You'll find that most countries kick out illegal immigrants including the US and pretty much every country in the EU. Though given your assertion that this seems to be somehow unique you may have simply exposed your own racism on the issue.
This isn't protecting traffic from snooping, it's exposing traffic to Cloudflare. The same company which...
Yeah but you haven't mentioned anything about abusing customer data and selling it wholesale without even cursory anonymity to any 3rd party paying cash, so they sound like exactly the kind of company that I would prefer to hold my data instead of my mobile provider.
Small-pitch seats are much more difficult to evacuate in an emergency than seats with more legroom.
So this is the second time I've seen this in this discussion. When making that claim start by showing the effect it will have. Look up all the flights where *some* people died and others survived, and provide numbers to back up your claim that people in tighter spaces had a higher chance of death.
You'll find the reality is on fatal flights, not even the emergency exit row people survived. On flights with some survivors, typically nearly everyone survived.
I certainly support free market as much as reasonably possible. But it doesn't seem to be working here.
Airline costs have plummeted over the years to the point where people now fly to easily derivable destinations. The market is providing precisely what people have requested: Cheap flights.
Where is the airline offering more legroom and less crammed cabins?
100% of them offer this. They are called exit rows, you know those mostly empty rows that don't sell out quickly and often legally force their airlines to upgrade normal passengers because no one cares enough to pony up the $15 extra for the legroom. The market is providing precisely what a few odd people have requested: Options for more legroom.
I think its time for some regulation in seat densities.
To what end? Force higher prices on people against their will?
This is why capitalism rarely serves the needs of the consumer
You got this wrong. This is precisely WHY capitalism serves the needs of consumers. Take any typical flight and you'll find a completely booked out plane, with all the cheap seats filled. Consumers don't want to pay $15 for extra leg room. Consumers find it hard enough to go with an established airline company with larger seats and instead opt to cram themselves into shitty low cost carriers in droves.
Capitalism has heard you. All of you. You want cheap tickets? We got those. You want leg room? Pony up the cash. We're here for ALL of you.
If the plane can't be evac'ed in 90 seconds without injury, increase seat pitch and try again.
On what basis did you come to that 90 seconds being relevant in the face of fatal plane accidents typically being 100% fatal? If the evacuation speed was relevant then you should at least see those people who paid the extra $20 for the emergency row survive, but the statistics don't show those $20 increasing your life expectancy.
Why do stupid things like depending on BP website. Think logically.
Because BP provides one of the most in-depth industry analysis of the world's consumption and production of primary industries and has published a report consistently for 30 years, one which is now the corner-piece of research for the chief economists of many governments and private entities around the world? Please stop frothing at the mouth just because you heard the name of a company you don't like, and... Think logically.
It is like running the A/C at full blast for about six hours per night per home.
Translation: It's like doing something that very few people do currently.
Do we have a situation where every home, office, retail stores and factory is running their A/Cs full blast for six long continuous hours?
At night? No.
Every summer afternoon, evening peak load is due to precisely that condition.
Indeed. Now in your fantasy scenario are people going to wait for their A/C to stop before going back into the garage to plug their car in? No. That load you say already exists, you've effectively doubled it.
There are fluctuations and spot price of electricity goes crazy, but in general the grid can supply that kind of power.
No. The grid doesn't have much spare capacity in it at all. Most additional power is provided by peaking plants which would be woefully undersized for a doubling of the evening load, and woefully expensive to run for a full night (peaking is just that, not designed to run for most of the night).
So we do have the capacity to charge ALL the cars of the country, as long as they do it off peak.
Yes we have the capacity, but we don't have: A design that makes sense to do it (lack of baseload for the increased off-peak demand), nor do we have a scenario where this charging is off peak. Here's an idea, let's get smart and force charging off peak where possible.... Who could help with this? I'll take the power companies for $100 Jim!
Anyway you don't need to guess about this. Companies are already investing to cope with the electrification of cars and the increased demand on the grid which you claim isn't happening. You should hire yourself out as a high priced consultant to European power companies. I'm sure they'd love to hear from someone why their expensive projects are a waste of time.
Since you look like you know a bit about this, are there any downsides to enabling Hyper-V in Windows? Being a Type-1 hypervisor does that mean that Windows 10 itself suddenly becomes a guest on the hardware? Will it affect gaming or other performance?
I've been considering playing with Hyper-V but haven't seen an answer to this question yet. I don't worry about it on my Linux box since it doesn't sit there gaming, rendering or otherwise heavily loading the hardware, and in that case I happy run Ubuntu on Xen (which was incredibly trivial to install).
Ok, I have heard this stupid rhetoric more than enough. Its time that people stop spouting about shit they do not understand.
While I agree the grid itself won't melt down into a puddle to brush it off is equally ignorant. You just said it yourself:
"and are charged at night" "7-10kwh per day during heavy use"
There are many assumptions made about the use of a grid at the design stage including the relative fluctuation throughout the day and night. What EVs do is add a lot to the peak demand period. We effectively charge the car right as we fire up our kitchen hotplates while running our A/Cs all at the same time. This is something that needs to be accounted for in the design. Better still it's something that we need to balance out with battery banks or other methods of power storage, especially since the sun likely won't be shining when we need it most.
In fact, the amount of electricity saved by switching from incandescent bulbs to LED bulbs, actually offsets around half of the entire increase that would result from a switch to 100% electric ground transportation.
What's an incandescent bulb? You still use those? The ban on incandescent bulbs in many parts of the world coincided with the shutting down of some older powerplants. That success has already happened in many wealthy countries (though I honestly can't speak for America since I have no idea what the state of household lighting is over there).
But since we're talking about a scenario of 100% EVs which you proposed, go to BP's website and download the world energy report. Take the primary energy consumption of oil, divide it by 8 to account for ICE efficiency, halve it since not all oil goes to driving, and then compare the result to the oil equivalent of energy production from the power industry. Yes the world WILL need to dramatically alter the design of its power grid and production systems in your scenario.
Yes, VW, Daimler, BMW, GM, Ford, fiat-chrysler, Nissan, etc have spent the last 5-7 years telling us how they would beat Tesla. Now, like cold fusion, it will happen real soon.
To be fair, no they haven't. Hell Daimler's CEO flat out said he sees no future in EVs and is banking on his business existing for many years. In the meantime the Renault-Nissan alliance's efforts for all electric vehicles absolutely dwarfs Tesla in the rest of the world, but Americans don't like small cars and are obsessed with the idea of having to have unlimited miles on a charge so the cars haven't taken off at all in the USA.
All of Tesla's vehicles combined sold less in Europe y-t-d that BMW's i3 shipments. The Model S sales are also lagging behind the VW e-golf, and the Leaf / Zoe absolutely dominate the industry.
Tesla is doing great things in America, but in Europe they are falling short of competing with the token half-arsed attempts from traditional car companies who crap out a handful of poor EV models to keep the politicians off their arses.
Tesla is awesome, but I have no doubt that if the other car companies actually took EVs seriously they would be in trouble, fortunately they have no competition in the USA. None of the top EV models from Europe are available there (except for the Leaf) and being small European cars they aren't desirable to Americans either.
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Sure, but tariffs themselves don't actually address any of those problems. Especially when there are no local sources for any of these goods.
You touched on the fundamental problem here and the lack of understanding by the GP. These kinds of tariffs are good but they need to exist up front from the startup of the industry, not as some retaliation. When tariffs are eliminated and the cost of goods get externalised and production moves to another country re-introducing the tariffs only serves to depress the buying power of your local economy.
I am for basic tariffs on certain Chinese goods. However these tariffs here at the moment covering the things they do and with the reasons for introduction have got to be the dumbest thing I have seen in the global market short of countries thinking all they need to do to fix their economy is print money.
Capitalist corporations need to be coerced.
To do what? Before you can make that claim you need a justifiable reason to coerce them to do something.
Socialism is good and necessary.
In order to bring the necessary minimum outcome to all people. Something important for social security and necessities like healthcare, housing, and being able to feed yourself. It is most certainly not universally "good" as by its nature it involves major compromises in order to achieve equality.
On the other hand right now we're talking about a completely private service not fundamentally necessary to anyone, and used by a tiny portion of the population. That population has spoken and chosen. Their best outcome is the cheapest possible ticket. Socialism is for necessary government services, not for the private sector offering a very much catered and tiered service.
As a tall person myself I also don't complain that I can't fit on the kids slides at the local playground either.
And in 2014 australia stopped accepting signatures at all.
Australia stopped accepting signatures long before then on any card with a pin configured. Australia legally mandated that signatures no longer be accepted in 2014.
A thief will also be happy with your phone or jewellery, and will probably take your wallet and run rather than open it and inspect it in your presence.
I was once casually robbed off my wallet at gunpoint (though I presume finger point but I wasn't prepared for the fight over a few bits of plastic).
I actually saw that same thief 15minutes later again and asked if I could have my wallet back and he gave it back and complained to me about the lack of cash in it.
*Note: This lighthearted story brought to you from the Don't Try This At Home department.
Have you considered walking on the road instead? I'm sure that would work out much better in your favour.
and they won't accept that someone does not want to join their cult.
Wait are we talking about cycling or people getting their driver's licenses?
Also this is going to come across as harsh but have you ever considered finding a group of people who aren't dicks? There are plenty of places for casual cycling to help you build your skills, and it's not some ungodly difficult activity to learn. Finding some people described as dicks does not make the entire transportation process a cult.
I live in the Ohio valley. It took forever for it to stop snowing this year.
And where I live there are signs up saying that you're not allowed to bring your bicycles through the lobby if you have studded snow tires and need to use the back entrance instead.
You know what has actually run out since 1971. Not a god damn thing. Not once, not ever.
Must be nice for you living in a rich country where you can simply import what you don't have.
Back in reality which we call the world:
Water: 1.1bn people lack access to safe fresh drinking water. Remember that next time you're drinking it from a bottle.
Oil: We have all but run out of easily accessible oil. We're now digging to incredible new depths in parts of the world, while stripping entire rainforrests for tar sands in others to accommodate your indifference.
Coal: That we've not run out of, not in Australia anyway. You may have only heard you were running out of it because some countries hadn't sold their sole to industrialism yet. But in other countries... well they used to liquefy it because they had no oil.
Forests: Well obviously they are still here. You seem to not know the difference between "running out" and "have run out of". Maybe google a map of deforrestation to see why you should care about this now rather than just writing an ignorant post.
Landfill Space: It must be nice to have been in a country where you could happily export your garbage. Speaking of, you know why we're hearing less about this now? Well it could be to do with recycling, or maybe it was due to garbage reprocessing, but maybe even the aforementioned exporting. Nope, it's a conspiracy. We're not running out of space, just pile it up anywhere you want.
Look I'd like to keep calling out your ignorant bullshit all day, but I'm sure even slashdot has a word limit in this box so let me summarise:
All of the things you listed are either:
a) still a problem
b) we have found new resources through the use of ever more dangerous and environmentally disastrous methods of extraction
c) we have solved through some technical means.
d) were never a problem in the first place (the world has too many Jesus believers specifically)
In each case having awareness and admitting the problem is the first step to solving it. Your patience has run out? May I suggest medicating yourself. After all your bring should be capable of processing information and solving problems from the moment you're born until you get dementia or die, so I am genuinely concerned for your health since you appear to be giving up on life in general.
You are the problem. Saying your patience has run out implies you may not always have been. That is truly sad.
Accommodations are reasonable. They are currently designed for exactly what customers want: The lowest possible cost. Sure there are a few oddballs who want more leg room, and for those people, well Airlines accommodate them too.
Don't force your opinions on me just because you want your leg room at my seat prices*.
*Actually I pay the premium for the legroom happily knowing that prices are now comically low.
It also makes it easy for extremists to get their point across as the complete set of legislation that affects people is so large and complex that no reasonable person can understand all the issues. This is the primary reasons representative democracies exist.
Direct democracies like all systems have benefits and downsides.
Utterly shocking if you're from place with a corrupt government like the United States or the EU.
Oh the EU? Which of the 28 countries specifically are you talking about? There are many fine examples within the EU of governments that work happily for citizens rather than the other way around. Yet calling them all "EU" just dilutes your claim.
note that the Swiss government will kick out illegal immigrants
You'll find that most countries kick out illegal immigrants including the US and pretty much every country in the EU. Though given your assertion that this seems to be somehow unique you may have simply exposed your own racism on the issue.
This isn't protecting traffic from snooping, it's exposing traffic to Cloudflare. The same company which...
Yeah but you haven't mentioned anything about abusing customer data and selling it wholesale without even cursory anonymity to any 3rd party paying cash, so they sound like exactly the kind of company that I would prefer to hold my data instead of my mobile provider.
We have a simple solution!
Install this app and give Cloudflare permission to access all of your network traffic and you can use our DNS server!
I'm ready to accept going with a new unknown than my god-fucking-awful-and-overtly-evil ISP.
Small-pitch seats are much more difficult to evacuate in an emergency than seats with more legroom.
So this is the second time I've seen this in this discussion. When making that claim start by showing the effect it will have. Look up all the flights where *some* people died and others survived, and provide numbers to back up your claim that people in tighter spaces had a higher chance of death.
You'll find the reality is on fatal flights, not even the emergency exit row people survived. On flights with some survivors, typically nearly everyone survived.
I certainly support free market as much as reasonably possible. But it doesn't seem to be working here.
Airline costs have plummeted over the years to the point where people now fly to easily derivable destinations. The market is providing precisely what people have requested: Cheap flights.
Where is the airline offering more legroom and less crammed cabins?
100% of them offer this. They are called exit rows, you know those mostly empty rows that don't sell out quickly and often legally force their airlines to upgrade normal passengers because no one cares enough to pony up the $15 extra for the legroom. The market is providing precisely what a few odd people have requested: Options for more legroom.
I think its time for some regulation in seat densities.
To what end? Force higher prices on people against their will?
This is why capitalism rarely serves the needs of the consumer
You got this wrong. This is precisely WHY capitalism serves the needs of consumers. Take any typical flight and you'll find a completely booked out plane, with all the cheap seats filled. Consumers don't want to pay $15 for extra leg room. Consumers find it hard enough to go with an established airline company with larger seats and instead opt to cram themselves into shitty low cost carriers in droves.
Capitalism has heard you. All of you. You want cheap tickets? We got those. You want leg room? Pony up the cash. We're here for ALL of you.
If the plane can't be evac'ed in 90 seconds without injury, increase seat pitch and try again.
On what basis did you come to that 90 seconds being relevant in the face of fatal plane accidents typically being 100% fatal?
If the evacuation speed was relevant then you should at least see those people who paid the extra $20 for the emergency row survive, but the statistics don't show those $20 increasing your life expectancy.
This is the funniest thing I've read all week, now excuse me I need to go clean coffee off my screen. :-)
"Media" has been doing nothing of the sort. Some news outlets along with most garbage blogs have.
That's an easy comment to make when you're not a baby bear trying to climb a mountain to get away from people trying to "care".
Thanks, I may have a play with this.
Why do stupid things like depending on BP website. Think logically.
Because BP provides one of the most in-depth industry analysis of the world's consumption and production of primary industries and has published a report consistently for 30 years, one which is now the corner-piece of research for the chief economists of many governments and private entities around the world? Please stop frothing at the mouth just because you heard the name of a company you don't like, and ... Think logically.
It is like running the A/C at full blast for about six hours per night per home.
Translation: It's like doing something that very few people do currently.
Do we have a situation where every home, office, retail stores and factory is running their A/Cs full blast for six long continuous hours?
At night? No.
Every summer afternoon, evening peak load is due to precisely that condition.
Indeed. Now in your fantasy scenario are people going to wait for their A/C to stop before going back into the garage to plug their car in? No. That load you say already exists, you've effectively doubled it.
There are fluctuations and spot price of electricity goes crazy, but in general the grid can supply that kind of power.
No. The grid doesn't have much spare capacity in it at all. Most additional power is provided by peaking plants which would be woefully undersized for a doubling of the evening load, and woefully expensive to run for a full night (peaking is just that, not designed to run for most of the night).
So we do have the capacity to charge ALL the cars of the country, as long as they do it off peak.
Yes we have the capacity, but we don't have: A design that makes sense to do it (lack of baseload for the increased off-peak demand), nor do we have a scenario where this charging is off peak. Here's an idea, let's get smart and force charging off peak where possible. ... Who could help with this? I'll take the power companies for $100 Jim!
Anyway you don't need to guess about this. Companies are already investing to cope with the electrification of cars and the increased demand on the grid which you claim isn't happening. You should hire yourself out as a high priced consultant to European power companies. I'm sure they'd love to hear from someone why their expensive projects are a waste of time.
Since you look like you know a bit about this, are there any downsides to enabling Hyper-V in Windows? Being a Type-1 hypervisor does that mean that Windows 10 itself suddenly becomes a guest on the hardware? Will it affect gaming or other performance?
I've been considering playing with Hyper-V but haven't seen an answer to this question yet. I don't worry about it on my Linux box since it doesn't sit there gaming, rendering or otherwise heavily loading the hardware, and in that case I happy run Ubuntu on Xen (which was incredibly trivial to install).
Ok, I have heard this stupid rhetoric more than enough. Its time that people stop spouting about shit they do not understand.
While I agree the grid itself won't melt down into a puddle to brush it off is equally ignorant. You just said it yourself:
"and are charged at night"
"7-10kwh per day during heavy use"
There are many assumptions made about the use of a grid at the design stage including the relative fluctuation throughout the day and night. What EVs do is add a lot to the peak demand period. We effectively charge the car right as we fire up our kitchen hotplates while running our A/Cs all at the same time. This is something that needs to be accounted for in the design. Better still it's something that we need to balance out with battery banks or other methods of power storage, especially since the sun likely won't be shining when we need it most.
In fact, the amount of electricity saved by switching from incandescent bulbs to LED bulbs, actually offsets around half of the entire increase that would result from a switch to 100% electric ground transportation.
What's an incandescent bulb? You still use those? The ban on incandescent bulbs in many parts of the world coincided with the shutting down of some older powerplants. That success has already happened in many wealthy countries (though I honestly can't speak for America since I have no idea what the state of household lighting is over there).
But since we're talking about a scenario of 100% EVs which you proposed, go to BP's website and download the world energy report. Take the primary energy consumption of oil, divide it by 8 to account for ICE efficiency, halve it since not all oil goes to driving, and then compare the result to the oil equivalent of energy production from the power industry. Yes the world WILL need to dramatically alter the design of its power grid and production systems in your scenario.
Yes, VW, Daimler, BMW, GM, Ford, fiat-chrysler, Nissan, etc have spent the last 5-7 years telling us how they would beat Tesla. Now, like cold fusion, it will happen real soon.
To be fair, no they haven't. Hell Daimler's CEO flat out said he sees no future in EVs and is banking on his business existing for many years. In the meantime the Renault-Nissan alliance's efforts for all electric vehicles absolutely dwarfs Tesla in the rest of the world, but Americans don't like small cars and are obsessed with the idea of having to have unlimited miles on a charge so the cars haven't taken off at all in the USA.
All of Tesla's vehicles combined sold less in Europe y-t-d that BMW's i3 shipments. The Model S sales are also lagging behind the VW e-golf, and the Leaf / Zoe absolutely dominate the industry.
Tesla is doing great things in America, but in Europe they are falling short of competing with the token half-arsed attempts from traditional car companies who crap out a handful of poor EV models to keep the politicians off their arses.
Tesla is awesome, but I have no doubt that if the other car companies actually took EVs seriously they would be in trouble, fortunately they have no competition in the USA. None of the top EV models from Europe are available there (except for the Leaf) and being small European cars they aren't desirable to Americans either.