When I see British citizens mocking the USA I just remember that in 100 years or so, we went from ruling 25% of the world to living on an island the size of Michigan.
I assume you attribute this to your strict gun laws? If that's the case you either have a causation problem or maybe you're actually responding to a different threat about something completely different. God knows the reduction of the UK empire doesn't have even the slightest of anything to do with what has been discussed ANYWHERE in the over 1000 comments on this story so far.
The entire country has totally become a handout culture, and now the peecee agenda is enabling a mass of immigrants to turn into an Islamic state.
LOL did you leave the UK voluntarily or were you kicked out for being a twat?
First, Google Maps is in fact tied to your phone number.
Congratulations. You just reiterated point 1 in my original post.
and two of these three options are tied to either a cellular plan
Your second point is missing a point. Or rather I'll make the point for you: One of these is not tied to your cellular plan. Which all brings me back to my original post which I will re-quote here for properity: " a) Google have your phone number even if you think they don't. b) Use the Google Authenticator app instead, it's a fuckton better than SMS anyway."
From evidence here, I think it's pretty obvious you're both a drinker AND a twat.
Yeah of course I'm a drinker. Most people are. Very few people don't drink alcohol. Twat, you're entitled to your opinion. I've already generated mine, but I'm not twat enough to mention it in polite company.
And that you have aggression issues.
LOL. Actually the only thing clear here is you don't understand people, or english, or both. I've just added something else to my opinion of you. Stay in school kid, and get yourself some booze before you kill someone.
Yes and no. My argument was they already came. There's a HUGE push from all sorts of players not just from the developers of VR for the technology. Build it an it will come has been the efforts of the past.
Ask yourself what problem is this tech solving for people and then what are its advantages and disadvantages over the alternatives. VR is mostly a solution in search of a problem.
Entertainment is created. It was never solving a problem in the first place, much like computer games never solved a problem either.
"Toys"? I was working with supercomputers costing 6 figures, CAVE [wikipedia.org] systems, and 3D headsets as far back as 20 years ago.
So now you're holding the niche above all else? The fact is VR pushes of the past in the general market were toys in comparison to what we have now, not the least because the modern mobile phone is more powerful than your supercomputer. Incidentally this recent technological development (power, displays, environmental awareness) is precisely why VR was a problem in the past.
VR simply has FAR fewer viable use cases and the ones it does have mostly are smaller financial opportunities.
Yep. There's only a market for 6 computers in the world and they will only be owned by big companies.
VR is useful (and cool) but be realistic about what the actual market for it is.
Gaming, movies, porn, you know, fun stuff. I don't know why you think entertainment is such a niche.
The market opportunity in VR is not even CLOSE to being larger than AR
Right now it most definitely is. VR has actual use cases with actual software, and hardware in place and in living rooms and attached to computers / phones as it is. AR on the other hand has yet to actually solve any of the problems that it is trying to solve. It's very much an incipient technology with every practical demonstration being nothing more than a PoC. The concepts themselves are good. But there's a long way to go before the market is created for these.
You are absolutely right since I am not actively involved in any VR research or product development. In the meantime the only true joke here is someone on a technology forum making a "You'll never solve..." claim.
We know what causes motion sickness, through successive iterations it the problem has already been reduced. As hardware is getting better the solution will be in reach. Please don't jump up so quickly to express your ignorance of the technology.
The US congress has been warning US corporations to avoid Huawei and ZTE since 2012. . You reveal your own ignorance if you actually believe current events are something sudden or surprising.
LOL WUT? If you think what was happening in 2012 is any way remotely comparable to the actions of the past 4 months I have a bridge to sell you, one with a government warning label.
Australia has joined the US in banning Huawei from infrastructure work.
Yep. The 51st State of America expressing its independence once again. Interestingly you note yourself here that the ban is new, the multinational effort is new, yet you accuse me of ignorance for realising that a fucking lot has changed in the past few months?
They recognize this company is simply a commercial arm of the PLA
They recognise the USA has told people without ever producing a shred of evidence. But sure let's all buy nice secure definitely not backdoored Cisco gear instead right?
This is the sort of naiveté people in the US use to have about Russia.
To channel my inner 5 year old: "Stop talking about yourself"
Criminals typically spend their time shooting each other. It's when you have normal people who are armed that someone gets their feelings hurt and takes it out on groups of random strangers.
Conflating gun laws, criminality and homicide is just a distraction. In pretty much every country where strict gun laws are enforced, random mass killings have become a footnote of history.
Palmer Lucky has got to be one of the last people anyone should be listening to in the VR industry.
The people who got properly burned are the most important to listen to, however you're also being very unfair. He not only delivered a working product (eventually) that did exactly what it says on the box, but in the process basically single handedly kickstarted a now quite competitive industry.
That is unfortunately a fair description of most VR technology that has ever been developed in the last 30 years. The hype has always exceeded the reality substantially even as far back as the early 1990s (see the movie Lawnmower Man back in 1992 for an example of the hype train in the form of a terrible movie).
In the past I would have agreed with you, but at present the situation is very different. There's a variety of very solid products out there and several very solid SDKs as well. What we are seeing currently is nothing at all like the toys of the past with games, big platforms, and even the bloody porn industry getting in on the action.
VR is smaller than AR in the same way that desktop home PCs are smaller than workplaces. You're conflating two very different target markets. In the consumer space VR is far larger than AR and so far have done a far better job at demonstrating adoption, and technological readiness.
So actually what he says is it's not bad as a first iteration of a hardware/software system.
Well aside from the fact that you cut off the most relevant parts of the quote (sentences stop with a full stop not a comma), even if they did put out a solid product that wouldn't change anything. They didn't promise a solid product, they promised to change the world and blow minds, sucking up investment capital that could have better spent elsewhere.
Yes, this is the same Huawei that makes phone you can't (couldn't, may not be able to in the future...?) take into a US military facility, FWIW.
It's worth nothing. Sudden panic banning Chinese equipment without any actionable intelligence is bad enough, but conflating the company with some open source code that has been independently reviewed and mainlined in the kernel is worth even less.
This gun debate is getting really old, and it's never going to be "won" by either side.
No it has well and truly been won by the people in countries which have been living fine for many years mass shooting free since the government took our guns. At this point most of us are just laughing at the other "It is my second amendment right to die senselessly" side.
We just had a story about a gamer going and killing an innocent family because he was mad at Valve
Wow. Okay let's follow your line of thinking and look at the profession and loose association of everything anyone with murderous suicide intent had in common. I think you'll find the only really common denominator is that a person was born.
Maybe we need to stop births, that way we can solve your root cause.
You didn't look did you. Again whom are you trying to punish? A company, or the government and citizens who had nothing to do with it.
Personally I would like to see the people involved directly in trouble for something that capitalism has done without knock-on effects on my own retirement / taxes. Throw people in jail, levi huge fines, make em shovel poop for the rest of their lives, but senselessly shouting anger at companies themselves is actually quite pointless.
So again, back to the beginning. What are you hoping to achieve? You have talked about breaking up a company, and then talked about nationalising. Both of those are two completely different things with different purposes. The latter is especially pointless given the amount of government control on Volkswagon as it is, and even more so that such a move has devastating and crippling effects of the economy of a country.
Punish the people involved, don't commit national economic suicide.
Why not adopt a points based system like in other countries? Bring enough uniquely identifiable information to a table to qualify for whatever important thing you are doing. Passport, drivers license or other government issued photo ID = 50 points, birth certificate or other government official issued document without photo ID, 40 points, credit card or financial documents 20 points, addressed letter from a recognised institution = 10 points.
Need to open a bank account, take out a home loan, or apply for a visa, pony up 100 points, Need to buy a phone, pony up 40, etc.
That solves the whole problem of having to force people to obtain a specific form of ID, it also solves the problem of a single unique document covering everything.
I always refuse because I know that once I give out the phone number, my phone will start ringing with telemarketing calls.
Localised problem? I for one never give a second thought about handing out or typing my phone number in anywhere. Yet I have yet to receive a single telemarketing call that I didn't explicitly solicity ("enter your number and we will call you" from)
Is this uniquely American? I know probably not unique, in Australia I got the occasional telemarketing call but they were mostly from the telecom company, and it's not like I can hide my number from them.
Gold a noble material with special properties is bought and sold not just for its trading value but for actua looks, and a massive amount of specific applications too. Bitcoin is a system for converting energy into wishful thinking.
The world would be better off if bitcoin had never existed. The world wouldn't function as we know it (many chemical reactions depend on gold catalysts, many more depend on gold for protection of materials from the chemicals being worked with) without gold.
Why does this company get so much media attention?
Because few companies make a business plan of actively trying to get stabbed in the heart with a wooden steak and then having people throw salt on the corpse while chanting and holding a bible.
I mean I've seen self destructive practices now, but at this point the question is do they file for chapter 11 by themselves, do they file because the cinemas come collecting, or do they file because of a class action.
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When I see British citizens mocking the USA I just remember that in 100 years or so, we went from ruling 25% of the world to living on an island the size of Michigan.
I assume you attribute this to your strict gun laws? If that's the case you either have a causation problem or maybe you're actually responding to a different threat about something completely different. God knows the reduction of the UK empire doesn't have even the slightest of anything to do with what has been discussed ANYWHERE in the over 1000 comments on this story so far.
The entire country has totally become a handout culture, and now the peecee agenda is enabling a mass of immigrants to turn into an Islamic state.
LOL did you leave the UK voluntarily or were you kicked out for being a twat?
LOL. The old fake news right?
I heard the animoji will now be 4D. The talking poo will be rendered so realistic you can smell it.
First, Google Maps is in fact tied to your phone number.
Congratulations. You just reiterated point 1 in my original post.
and two of these three options are tied to either a cellular plan
Your second point is missing a point. Or rather I'll make the point for you: One of these is not tied to your cellular plan. Which all brings me back to my original post which I will re-quote here for properity:
" a) Google have your phone number even if you think they don't.
b) Use the Google Authenticator app instead, it's a fuckton better than SMS anyway."
From evidence here, I think it's pretty obvious you're both a drinker AND a twat.
Yeah of course I'm a drinker. Most people are. Very few people don't drink alcohol. Twat, you're entitled to your opinion. I've already generated mine, but I'm not twat enough to mention it in polite company.
And that you have aggression issues.
LOL. Actually the only thing clear here is you don't understand people, or english, or both. I've just added something else to my opinion of you. Stay in school kid, and get yourself some booze before you kill someone.
That's a "build it and they will come" argument.
Yes and no. My argument was they already came. There's a HUGE push from all sorts of players not just from the developers of VR for the technology. Build it an it will come has been the efforts of the past.
Ask yourself what problem is this tech solving for people and then what are its advantages and disadvantages over the alternatives. VR is mostly a solution in search of a problem.
Entertainment is created. It was never solving a problem in the first place, much like computer games never solved a problem either.
"Toys"? I was working with supercomputers costing 6 figures, CAVE [wikipedia.org] systems, and 3D headsets as far back as 20 years ago.
So now you're holding the niche above all else? The fact is VR pushes of the past in the general market were toys in comparison to what we have now, not the least because the modern mobile phone is more powerful than your supercomputer. Incidentally this recent technological development (power, displays, environmental awareness) is precisely why VR was a problem in the past.
VR simply has FAR fewer viable use cases and the ones it does have mostly are smaller financial opportunities.
Yep. There's only a market for 6 computers in the world and they will only be owned by big companies.
VR is useful (and cool) but be realistic about what the actual market for it is.
Gaming, movies, porn, you know, fun stuff. I don't know why you think entertainment is such a niche.
The market opportunity in VR is not even CLOSE to being larger than AR
Right now it most definitely is. VR has actual use cases with actual software, and hardware in place and in living rooms and attached to computers / phones as it is. AR on the other hand has yet to actually solve any of the problems that it is trying to solve. It's very much an incipient technology with every practical demonstration being nothing more than a PoC. The concepts themselves are good. But there's a long way to go before the market is created for these.
You will never solve the motion sickness problem.
You are absolutely right since I am not actively involved in any VR research or product development. In the meantime the only true joke here is someone on a technology forum making a "You'll never solve..." claim.
We know what causes motion sickness, through successive iterations it the problem has already been reduced. As hardware is getting better the solution will be in reach. Please don't jump up so quickly to express your ignorance of the technology.
The US congress has been warning US corporations to avoid Huawei and ZTE since 2012. . You reveal your own ignorance if you actually believe current events are something sudden or surprising.
LOL WUT? If you think what was happening in 2012 is any way remotely comparable to the actions of the past 4 months I have a bridge to sell you, one with a government warning label.
Australia has joined the US in banning Huawei from infrastructure work.
Yep. The 51st State of America expressing its independence once again. Interestingly you note yourself here that the ban is new, the multinational effort is new, yet you accuse me of ignorance for realising that a fucking lot has changed in the past few months?
They recognize this company is simply a commercial arm of the PLA
They recognise the USA has told people without ever producing a shred of evidence. But sure let's all buy nice secure definitely not backdoored Cisco gear instead right?
This is the sort of naiveté people in the US use to have about Russia.
To channel my inner 5 year old: "Stop talking about yourself"
Criminals typically spend their time shooting each other. It's when you have normal people who are armed that someone gets their feelings hurt and takes it out on groups of random strangers.
Conflating gun laws, criminality and homicide is just a distraction. In pretty much every country where strict gun laws are enforced, random mass killings have become a footnote of history.
A 20min TV show is a small (potentially wasted) investment.
Judging a TV show based on one episode is a fool's errand.
Palmer Lucky has got to be one of the last people anyone should be listening to in the VR industry.
The people who got properly burned are the most important to listen to, however you're also being very unfair. He not only delivered a working product (eventually) that did exactly what it says on the box, but in the process basically single handedly kickstarted a now quite competitive industry.
That is unfortunately a fair description of most VR technology that has ever been developed in the last 30 years. The hype has always exceeded the reality substantially even as far back as the early 1990s (see the movie Lawnmower Man back in 1992 for an example of the hype train in the form of a terrible movie).
In the past I would have agreed with you, but at present the situation is very different. There's a variety of very solid products out there and several very solid SDKs as well. What we are seeing currently is nothing at all like the toys of the past with games, big platforms, and even the bloody porn industry getting in on the action.
VR is smaller than AR in the same way that desktop home PCs are smaller than workplaces. You're conflating two very different target markets. In the consumer space VR is far larger than AR and so far have done a far better job at demonstrating adoption, and technological readiness.
So actually what he says is it's not bad as a first iteration of a hardware/software system.
Well aside from the fact that you cut off the most relevant parts of the quote (sentences stop with a full stop not a comma), even if they did put out a solid product that wouldn't change anything. They didn't promise a solid product, they promised to change the world and blow minds, sucking up investment capital that could have better spent elsewhere.
Yes, this is the same Huawei that makes phone you can't (couldn't, may not be able to in the future...?) take into a US military facility, FWIW.
It's worth nothing. Sudden panic banning Chinese equipment without any actionable intelligence is bad enough, but conflating the company with some open source code that has been independently reviewed and mainlined in the kernel is worth even less.
This gun debate is getting really old, and it's never going to be "won" by either side.
No it has well and truly been won by the people in countries which have been living fine for many years mass shooting free since the government took our guns. At this point most of us are just laughing at the other "It is my second amendment right to die senselessly" side.
We just had a story about a gamer going and killing an innocent family because he was mad at Valve
Wow. Okay let's follow your line of thinking and look at the profession and loose association of everything anyone with murderous suicide intent had in common. I think you'll find the only really common denominator is that a person was born.
Maybe we need to stop births, that way we can solve your root cause.
Nothings wrong with me. I just got back from the gun range.
Shooting is a lot of fun. I go to the gun range frequently too even after the gubmint took our guns and in the processes ended mass shootings.
So I avoid providing a phone number to Google service X by using a Google app on a device almost certainly tied explicitly to my phone number.
So you almost certainly don't have a clue about how the app works. It's not tied to your phone number any more than Google Maps is.
You didn't look did you. Again whom are you trying to punish? A company, or the government and citizens who had nothing to do with it.
Personally I would like to see the people involved directly in trouble for something that capitalism has done without knock-on effects on my own retirement / taxes. Throw people in jail, levi huge fines, make em shovel poop for the rest of their lives, but senselessly shouting anger at companies themselves is actually quite pointless.
So again, back to the beginning. What are you hoping to achieve? You have talked about breaking up a company, and then talked about nationalising. Both of those are two completely different things with different purposes. The latter is especially pointless given the amount of government control on Volkswagon as it is, and even more so that such a move has devastating and crippling effects of the economy of a country.
Punish the people involved, don't commit national economic suicide.
You cannot have both "strict" and "reasonable" gun regulation.
Only in America.
I absolutely do not want to give Google my phone number, but there's no way around this.
a) Google have your phone number even if you think they don't.
b) Use the Google Authenticator app instead, it's a fuckton better than SMS anyway.
Why not adopt a points based system like in other countries? Bring enough uniquely identifiable information to a table to qualify for whatever important thing you are doing. Passport, drivers license or other government issued photo ID = 50 points, birth certificate or other government official issued document without photo ID, 40 points, credit card or financial documents 20 points, addressed letter from a recognised institution = 10 points.
Need to open a bank account, take out a home loan, or apply for a visa, pony up 100 points, Need to buy a phone, pony up 40, etc.
That solves the whole problem of having to force people to obtain a specific form of ID, it also solves the problem of a single unique document covering everything.
I always refuse because I know that once I give out the phone number, my phone will start ringing with telemarketing calls.
Localised problem? I for one never give a second thought about handing out or typing my phone number in anywhere. Yet I have yet to receive a single telemarketing call that I didn't explicitly solicity ("enter your number and we will call you" from)
Is this uniquely American? I know probably not unique, in Australia I got the occasional telemarketing call but they were mostly from the telecom company, and it's not like I can hide my number from them.
Sure I'll give you a comparison with gold:
Gold a noble material with special properties is bought and sold not just for its trading value but for actua looks, and a massive amount of specific applications too.
Bitcoin is a system for converting energy into wishful thinking.
The world would be better off if bitcoin had never existed.
The world wouldn't function as we know it (many chemical reactions depend on gold catalysts, many more depend on gold for protection of materials from the chemicals being worked with) without gold.
Why does this company get so much media attention?
Because few companies make a business plan of actively trying to get stabbed in the heart with a wooden steak and then having people throw salt on the corpse while chanting and holding a bible.
I mean I've seen self destructive practices now, but at this point the question is do they file for chapter 11 by themselves, do they file because the cinemas come collecting, or do they file because of a class action.