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Student Arrested For Posting Zombie-Killing AR Game Clip Filmed at His High School (yahoo.com)
18-year-old high school student Sean Small was arrested in Indiana on Tuesday and charged with a misdemeanor for posting a videogame clip to social media. An anonymous reader quotes Yahoo Lifestyle:
The clip in question is Sean playing The Walking Dead: Our World, which is an augmented reality game that animates characters into a real-world setting. In this case, players kill zombies. Along with Sean's video he wrote, "Finally something better than Pokemon Go," which is also an augmented reality game....
Sean, who is a member of the Indiana National Guard, pleaded not guilty to an intimidation charge. He was released on $1,000, and his school expulsion hearing is set for next week. The video featured other students walking through the halls as Sean allegedly attempted to kill the zombies the game placed among them.
Realistic footage of shootings in the high school's hallways apparently alarmed the off-duty sheriff's deputy hired to work at the high school -- who then filed the misdemeanor intimidation charge with the county prosecutor.
Sean, who is a member of the Indiana National Guard, pleaded not guilty to an intimidation charge. He was released on $1,000, and his school expulsion hearing is set for next week. The video featured other students walking through the halls as Sean allegedly attempted to kill the zombies the game placed among them.
Realistic footage of shootings in the high school's hallways apparently alarmed the off-duty sheriff's deputy hired to work at the high school -- who then filed the misdemeanor intimidation charge with the county prosecutor.
There seems to be a grey area between fiction, and really harmful content. However the line between free speech, and being uncomfortable about something is very hard to draw.
I'm not sure how to objectively draw a boundary. However if the game is setup to allow real life footage to be amended with zombie shooting, this would have happened sooner or later.
How this finally plays out is actually important for the future boundaries of free speech.
They have a problem with school shootings in particular. ANY depictions where you're shooting things in actual public settings, schools for example, regardless of technology implemented from video games to pen art, that's a red flag.
They have 0-tolerance policies because if they don't set that precedent they will quickly have zero ability to enforce this requisite norm. I myself think they can give the first person to get caught publicly a break and still achieve that goal.
It's kind of unfortunate that he felt the need both to push this particular boundary and then post it on the internet. Maybe that is dumb enough to need an example made of it after all?
And effective gun control is a must to remove the fear of shootings.
That's all.
Where everyone is scared and frightened from kids chewing their sandwich into the shape of a gun, or having an aspirin pill or a plastic knife.
The student is reported to be a member of the Indiana National Guard. Surely his intention is to show how he is able to protect fellow students from an influx of marauding zombies. That said, perhaps it is not wise to encourage the use of guns by students, and instead leave it to the authorities. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
You can be arrested because of speech, lots of kinds. An arrest (technically a detention) is not an infringement of rights. The rights are determined in court. The arrest facilitates the court.
Schools have a legal no-tolerance zone 1000 feet around them for various things, this is found to be Constitutional. From that, posting a video of violating that boundary is considered evidence of a potential crime.
That's probable cause for an arrest, though it's clear he didn't spend much if any time "in jail" over this, the school still has administrative punishments it has a right to give out for what it deems a violation/threat.
The system works? Thought crimes when provable require due investigation, not "the death penalty" or whatever happened in that sci-fi movie. Posting stuff on the internet can be dangerous to your freedom sometimes!
No kidding; your thoughts are a clear danger to any law-abiding citizen.
If you don't understand why, you need to seek help.
Looked at some footage now. It appears The Walking Dead in not even played with fake weapons. Oops.
C - the footgun of programming languages
I could see how an old fart with no gaming experience could mistake a video of the AR mode for a much more elaborate video production that a student would have to put some serious work into. That could give the video much more "meaning" and weight than it actually has. Of course nobody is going to admit that now, so the kid is fucked.
I expect this to get worse as AR becomes more commonplace. Imagine if it were a laser-tag AR game where he was shooting other students!
People love their battle royale games, I expect there to shortly be location-based AR battle royale games; last survivor in your school wins!
I'm honestly surprised that ~20 years after Postal, Pico's World, GTA and Super Columbine Massacre RPG, people still get their panties in a twist about games about killing sprees. Perhaps satire was the only thing that spared those games, anything that's halfway serious gets shouted down even by gamers.
Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
Plain and simple. Not even a hard one.
Maybe the school is doing its job of preparing children for real life : where they will register as sex offender for public urination, will risk 10 years in prison for having sex if the other party retroactively rescinds consent, will need a fake ID to buy alcohol and face legal risks that are unclear to me, will lose their career when they wrong someone who will dig through everything they said on the Internet.
Sounds like living in a Muslim country, with more guns and more Internet.
like we need more worthless court cases clogging up the court system.
I see a deputy, sheriff and a lawyer unfit to do their jobs
http://www.sjgames.com/killer/
To play this game you move around with your smartphone and click buttons in the smartphone's screen to destroy pixels which make up zombie images.
Nobody in the school could have been intimidated by a student walking around waving his phone and clicking on it.
This is not even a thought crime. A thought crime would be "I so would like to kill this teacher who makes such difficult exams". Killing zombies in real life (yes, I realize how absurd that was) is no crime, thus phantasies about it are not thought crimes.
Seems like only the undead would have standing for an intimidation charge and it can be quite difficult to get them to show up in court. This is, of course, another case of Idiocracy in action. The room temperature IQ types can’t differentiate between actual threats and nonsense. It is political correctness through intimidation. You better not do anything that could be remotely associated with bad acts or we will ruin your life. Welcome to the land of the free and the home of the brave.
This student was rather silly to be playing simulated lethal combat games within school grounds. The student was even sillier to post records of the simulated lethal combat to online forums that could be viewed by the students of said school and by those responsible for the safety of the students of said school. The students could quite appropriately experience concern for their safety. The cultural context of the game is not going to be universally shared and so cannot be a guarantee that the other students will be able to recognise that this information does not present a threat to them. The guardians of the school, those responsible for the safety, physical, mental and emotional, of the students, need to take all of these factors into consideration when determining what action to take to enact appropriate protections. Given the difficulties of a rather out of control gun culture, a history of extremely lethal events occurring on a disturbingly regular basis in schools within the USA and the vast level of legislatively enforced uncertainty in the appropriate and effective management of students that may be engaging in activities that may cause others to feel threatened, charging this student with a misdemeanor seems to be the best option available. It might not work, It is probably an over reaction, but it still appears to be the best option to start with. The only way the USA will ever get any control over their uncontrolled gun culture and the corresponding over reactions to these types of silliness is for a referendum to modify the constitution to ameliorate the right to bare arms to a point where appropriate and effective control over the availability and lethality of generally available weapons can be imposed by elected representatives.
To old, to dumb, didn't understand and complained to police...
What a grumpy old a-hole.
I'm not sure how to objectively draw a boundary.
Protip:
If that schoolboy posted the following clip he would never be in any trouble
https://m.facebook.com/story.p...
A wrongful arrest is absolutely an infringement of the arrestee's rights.
And this was a video of a game, not a video of a plausible violation of the school's rules on contraband (unless cell phones are contraband there).
showing the bombing of foreign countries and killing of foreign civilians in order to entice young dumb Americans to join the military to become a "hero".
Your country is sick.
A wrongful arrest has to be proven. An arrest relies on PC of a crime being committed, a video that's ambiguous leaves that open to misinterpretation. QED, if you don't want to risk arrest, watch what you post isn't misinterpretable. Posting gun-related shooting videos with a school in the background is potentially a threat marker that warrants investigation, and the arrest facilitates that when warranted. The system works as intended, and being arrested for up to 72 hours is legal even if they find not a damn thing and don't apologize for your inconvenience. You can sue if you have the means and a decent case, absolutely. None of this changed that at any point, I thought you were trying to avoid being arrested.
Here's what the Russian ministry of Defense is saying. Incredibly specific this time! Doing their best to prevent a staged chemical attack. If it does happen, you were warned!
MOSCOW, August 26. /TASS/. Major provocations with the alleged use of chemical weapons are planned in Syria with the participation of foreign specialists, Russian Defense Ministry Spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov told reporters on Sunday.
"According to the information that the Russian Reconciliation Center for Syria received today from the residents of the Idlib, foreign (English-speaking) experts arrived in the Hbit settlement located in the south of the Idlib zone of de-escalation for staging a ‘chemical attack’ using chlorine-loaded missiles," said he.
According to Konashenkov, provocations will be conducted in Syria in the next two days with the participation of foreign special agents. According to him, English-speaking experts arrived in the south of the Idlib de-escalation zone to stage a chemical attack using chlorine-laden rockets. "The strike on the settlement of Kafr Zayta from rocket launchers using poisonous substances is planned in the next two days," he said.
"Thus, the interested extra-regional forces are once again preparing major provocations in Syria using poisonous substances to severely destabilize the situation and disrupt the steady dynamics of the ongoing peace process," Konashenkov noted.
http://tass.com/defense/1018689
A few guys in my high school did a similar thing with Doom in the 90s. Made a model of the school and some of the students, teachers etc as monsters and you could play a level killing them all. Nobody thought it was threatening. Don't see why this one would be?
You don't have to understand the law as it currently exists to be subject to it, right the fuck now. I'm not telling you something you shouldn't already realize here. Your recourse for false arrest is a lawsuit. That's how it works.
Deal with it snowflake, or get your JD so you can write some amicus briefs and maybe someday have some effect on how this works.
Congratulations on supporting a police state?
Something ambiguous that, depending on additional facts, either could be probable cause for a crime or could be innocuous is not itself PC. Those additional facts have to be deduced to find PC. In this case, they weren't there.
You jelly.
I can't tell whether you're a bad AI or just very wrong.
is because it exactly supports the deflecting narrative of violent video games cause school shootings and not guns
What a dire threat. We wouldn't want zombies to feel uncomfortable but I don't understand why a dead zombie would be bothered by the threat of death. This type of action leads me to believe that our law makers are in fact zombies as they seem to never do anything and cause the population to pay them big bucks. That Trump guy might be a zombie. i always thought he was probably a space alien but maybe he really is a zombie. do other beings from other planets have alien zombies?
Just because someone explains how the existing law works to you (for the first time?) doesn't mean they've expressed support for that aspect of it, try to keep up with what is actually said please.
Proving "false arrest" requires you to prove not only that it wasn't PC-reasonable but that the intent of the arresting officer also wasn't reasonable or was unlawful.
Lots and lots of people get arrested and are released without charge every day. Some are charged only to have them later dropped. Neither is illegal, though they can be a huge hassle and if abused would be illegal.
PROVING that is trickier. You seem more intent on trying to prove you're an asshole out to smell my balls instead, I don't know why.
Few people seem to ask why we have school shootings, and the answer seems to be a combination of suicidal students, a hateful society, and massive media attention for the kid with a high score.
We're giving people a choice between a lifetime of wage-slavery and stupidity, which they rationalize as "adulthood," and going out in a blaze of glory where everyone knows your name, your manifesto, your favorite bands, etc.
Then there's the fact that public high schools are jails. Sort of like jobs. What kind of dystopic Utopia is this?
Alternative Right.
My kid filmed a movie in his middle school about students trying to save the school from a zombie attack, did it for a class, had permission and help from the teachers, submitted the film to the county competition and won awards for it, and posted it to YouTube. Two years later, his high school later called us-- twice-- stating they were concerned that he was posted a 'school shooting movie' and that they were worried he was a threat. I could understand maybe a teacher calling, but when the Principal called later, that was effing ridiculous. But you still have to be patient with them, *sigh*
My kid later filmed a short movie about how kids can tell fictional violence from reality, and that adults need to realize that. It's also on that YouTube Channel. I don't think they watch that, but I point it to them whenever we get similar ridiculous calls now.
Just because someone explains how the existing law works to you (for the first time?) doesn't mean they've expressed support for that aspect of it
True. Here's a suggestion: Some users disclaim support for the law that they're explaining by prefacing such explanation with "Under current law" or similar. I, for one, have done this when explaining copyright, particularly some of the parts that I consider contrary to "the Progress of Science and useful Arts".
Schools have [zero tolerance] policies because it relieves them from having to think. Aren't all the grown-ups at a school supposed to be capable of critical thinking?
School administrators are capable of critical thinking. The voters who elect the school board that hires school administrators, not so much.
If he went into the school building with a real gun he wouldnt have been arrested, would he?
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god damnit, stop already.
You did not describe the law. You distorted your description in ways that are friendly to police.
A wrongful arrest is wrongful even if it is not proven so in court. One of many reasons that an arrest may be wrongful is if it performed without probable cause that an offense has been committed.
An ambiguous fact on its own is not PC. "Probable cause exists where the facts and circumstances within the officers' knowledge, and of which they have reasonably trustworthy information, are sufficient in themselves to warrant a belief by a man of reasonable caution that a crime is being committed."
This was a video from a game, and a moment's reflection with even the slightest understanding of the medium would show that the student neither actually threatened anyone or had any intent to intimidate, meaning there was no probable cause the crime for which he was arrested even happened.
If you weren't so busy licking those jackboots you'd probably understand why you come across as supporting a police state.
Plenty of boys and girls get shot in school
EVERY DAY !
though the weapons used are words
so I advocate that kids stop bringing their mouths to school.
Death penalty for any kid that dares to speak in school.
answers to a teachers question should be written in triplicate, one for the teacher, one for the school, and one for the student.
there. solved that for ya, also stimulated the economy by using more paper. digital displays and records are not allowed, since they are too easily tampered with.
you silly chicken.
CAP === "mumbles"
One could argue, he was saving the other students from the zombies.
So he's essentially playing a zombie shooter spin on pokemon go.
He filmed people without their consent and posted it online. That alone could break rules and laws, even seen as harassment if people objected and he did it anyway.
There are several problems with this theory. Firstly, in most countries, it is fine to film someone in a public place provided it is not for commercial gain. Secondly, he was not charged with this but with "intimidating behaviour" and lastly he is a kid and the law _should_ allow for a good deal of leeway when dealing with kids who do not always think through the consequences of their actions as much as an adult and may not be aware of some less-well-known laws.
I'm not sure how to objectively draw a boundary.
Well, since he was charged with intimidation a logical place to start is "was anyone intimidated?". Since the game appears to involve walking while staring intently at your phone screen and occasionally tapping it then, if this is intimidating, a LOT of people are going to be guilty.
Unfortunately, this isn't the first time a teenage gamer has been arrested because of stupid school administrators and law enforcement overreaction that end up damaging or even completely ruining this kid's future.
Student Arrested for Making Videogame Map of School
"A student at the Houston-area Clements High School was arrested, sent to an "Alternative Education Center" and banned from graduation after school officials found he created a video game map of his school. School district police arrested the teen and searched his home where they confiscated a hammer as a 'potential weapon'. ' "They decided he was a terroristic threat," said one source close to the district's investigation.' With an upcoming May 12 school board election, this issue has quickly become political, with school board members involved in the appeal accusing each other of pandering to the Chinese community in an attempt to gain votes."
This kid was also arrested panicky school officials and law enforcement after a school shooting occurred in Virginia.
If you want to stop violent crime, you can eliminate 51% of it by removing black people from society.
Removing guns will only stop 7.7% of violent crimes, assuming people don't use knives instead.
>Plenty of boys and girls get shot in school
>EVERY DAY !
>though the weapons used are words
But if you behaved this way in a work environment, your boss is probably going to fire you. So why are bullies in school tolerated?
It's the fault of the dean and the school board to allow bullies to harass other students and not suspend them for a few days (all the way to expulsion for serious abuse). So what is the real reason schools don't punish the bullies?
Then we proceed to see whether the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. How else are farmers supposed to keep crows from stealing their corn?
"Your rights end where [WHITE] children's rights to not be shot begin."
Corrected that so our more conservative viewers will be on your side.
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
Glory, glory hallelujah
teacher hit me with a ruler
shot her behind a door
with a loaded 44
now teaches stands no more
Went to the cemetery
went to the grave
instead of throwing flowers
we threw hand grenades
then we went to school
and said we really had it made
cause teacher stands no more.
No student was suspended.
No teacher was fired.
It never made the front page of the paper.
That year there were three school shootings.
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
A wrongful arrest is absolutely an infringement of the arrestee's rights.
Gets wayy worse. If convictred, an Off Duty rent-a-cop, effectively ended this kids adult life, certainly if he intended to pursue one with the National Guard. Over what, a game? What ever happened to schools TEACHING kids rather then arresting them.
Good god we are so fucked.
a nra shirt or even a yellow pink squirt gun or a pop tart chewed into shape of a gun will get police called in most public schools ...this is the future you voted for
> So what is the real reason schools don't punish the bullies?
Because then they'd have to punish the bully teachers as well, and the teachers LIKE being bullies.
Boys have been playing cops-n-robbers or cowboys-n-indians for hundreds of years. This is more of the same.
I have a BB rifle that looks like an AR. Use it for plunking targets in the back yard with the neighbors and the occasional rodent problem.
Before I take it anywhere, I check with the owners of that place about their feelings about it. It it makes them uncomfortable, it stays home.
I wouldn't take it into NJ or NYC or any large city without looking up the laws there first. I think NJ and NYC have much stricter laws about anything that looks like a firearm. Their laws are their business.
I would expect toy guns to be banned from schools without special permission these days. It is a different time.
When I was in high school, our physics teacher asked us to bring our firearms to school one day so we could learn about conservation of energy. We let him know in advance that we were bringing a firearm and checked it in at the main office in the morning. Physics was 3rd period and we all walked to the office, got our guns, then walked out back of the school ( farmland surrounded it) and shot at cans, milk cartons, barrels and a hog. There was a mix of firearms - rifles, shotguns, revolvers, and sizes. After each shot, the teacher explained what happened, why, AND how to improve our shooting. Not everyone had a firearm, but everyone was offered the chance to shoot. The kickback was an important part of the lesson.
I'm in favor of killing zombies, virtual or real.
Have we shifted the discussion that far already? ... That somebody can openly speak of "thought crimes" like there were a thing, let alone legitimare, and he will get a (Score:5, Insightful)??
Remind me to never EVER go to Stalin's Russ... err, Nazi Germ... Err North Kore... err, I mein Murica!
I shudder to think what they would have done provided he show up in his national guard uniform!
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
They banned guns, thinking that was the solution to violent crime. Guess what? Now they are hysterical about knives. Just look up knife crime.
Schools have a legal no-tolerance zone 1000 feet around them for various things, this is found to be Constitutional. From that, posting a video of violating that boundary is considered evidence of a potential crime.
No tolerance to what? Playing computer games? Having a fucking brain?
His video violates what fucking boundary exactly?
If you never have to deal with bullies in life growing up then the school has failed at preparing you for life. Life is full of them, if you shelter kids when they're learning how to survive in life, they will grow up to be worthless and probably die young or end up in prison.
Don't shelter your children!! Teach them about life and its realitys! You wont be there to hold their hand every day of their life.
Society is doomed when we give too many stupid people the authority to rule over us. Itâ(TM)s a freaking game and he wasnâ(TM)t threatening anyone, suck it up buttercups.
No surprise this happened in Indiana. They like to try to control everything there. This is the state that elected freaking Mike Pence as Governor, a man who doesn't even trust himself to be alone with a woman other than his wife!
... the line between free speech, and being uncomfortable about something is very hard to draw.
THAT line is not hard AT ALL. The right to free speech completely trumps any desire to be protected against discomforting ideas and images.
There is an explicit constitutional right to free speech. The Supreme Court recognizes that it constitutes a complete ban on government action to even have a "chilling effect" on it, and has incorporated it against the States and all their components and subdivisions, which includes police and the officers and employees of public schools.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
His act exceeded the cognitive abilities [of the relevant local "authorities "] to comprehend said act.
There no case of false arrest here, sweetums, so there is no basis for recourse.
Don't shelter your children!! Teach them about life and its realitys! You wont be there to hold their hand every day of their life.
I agree with you, a little bit. But do you agree, some school shootings are the consequence of the shooters being "bullied by other school kids (with words) and finally snapping?"
Indiana isn't a rich enough State to create a police state, the best they can hope for is to stomp on the rights of a few kids and maybe silence a few people who weren't sure if they wanted to speak, or not.
Just for that, I'm going to buy a bump stock. I don't own a rifle that has a pistol grip, but fuck it, I'll buy a bump stock anyways. I don't use Instagram, but I'll create an account and post a nice selfie of me holding a bump stock.
You think the arrest was because of a rule violation? If you actually bothered to read the OP and came to that conclusion, you should be proud that you are able to read and write, given your competencies. Your statement that a "wrongful" arrest is an infringement is obvious and adds nothing to the discussion. The question is, was/is the charge brought against him a) justified and b) correct.Lets do a thought experiment. Let's remove ALL of the fictional violence. Let's remove the zombies. Lets just have him (in the video clip, not in real life) just walking through the halls of his H.S. with an AR-47. You tell me, think that would be OK?
It violates the boundary of respect for a policy of no guns on school property.
The virtual aspect of the weapons should not allow them to be exempt from school guidelines or policy.
Most games with guns simulate virtual environments far from the area where the school is located, and thus there is a clear distinction between the real and the virtual. AR games intentionally blur this line by having the game be superimposed upon reality itself. This "virtually" violates the school policy and code of conduct. The Zombies are immaterial.
It violates the boundary of respect for a policy of no guns on school property.
He took how many guns on to school property? Count them for me. Shit, double it.
Nope, still not seeing any.
The virtual aspect of the weapons should not allow them to be exempt from school guidelines or policy.
The hysterical fear of a mobile telephone would destroy any respect for such a policy. There were no weapons and that means no exemption is required.
This "virtually" violates the school policy and code of conduct. The Zombies are immaterial.
The weapons are immaterial as well. I can virtually murder you, rape your daughter, shit on your family dog and drop you an email containing a photograph of me laughing as I do it. I still haven't violated school fucking policy.
If non-existant weapons are treated with such fear and distress the kids are totally fucked if they ever encounter real ones.
Congratulations on not following simple explanations, the ad hominem attack was nice too.
Obviously you're 1, too stupid to even attempt to know the law, lest of all understand how it works and 2, you're a whiny faggot who needs a hole in your faggot face to understand what we're talking about.
If you want to lick my balls on your way to prison I'll think about it, but you don't understand our system of laws so your whining and squealing like a faggot here changes none of it.
Explaining to your punk faggot ass was a waste of time obviously. You're just not smart enough to begin.
You are apparently the one who cannot follow simple explanations. The AC admitted that the video was ambiguous, which means it is insufficient to establish probable cause. Without probable cause, there are no legitimate grounds for arrest or charging a crime.
If you want the police to arrest people and get charges filed when no crime was committed and there was no probable cause to believe the arrestee committed a crime, that is supporting a police state. It's not an ad hominem argument to accurately identify someone who does that.
Of course it would be OK. Why wouldn't it? Any prosecution based on that is basically enforcement of thought crime. "We think maybe he wanted to shoot up the school, so he needs to go to jail".
It violates the boundary of respect for a policy of no guns on school property.
By this logic, a teacher showing a historical ww2 video showing soldiers with guns also violates school policy. Hell, I'll bet some of the history textbooks have at least one or two pictures of soldiers with guns. The horror! They should all be burned.
I'm going to buy a bump stock for my potato gun
You're missing the part where the guns existed within the virtual version of the school, which used live video footage of the actual school to blur the lines between the real and the virtual.
A WWII documentary, or other textbook documents do not occur in real-time within the that very school building. They are abstracted by history, and location, and context. In addition, there are lessons to be learned from history.
An Augmented Reality Video Game however, serves no intrisic purpose to the education of the student, and instead potentially desensitizes the student to the notion of carrying a gun on school property.
Furthermore, one thing leads to another. We need to have a clearly defined line so that "red flag" behavior is detectable. We need to keep from making it easy for students to carry out attacks. We need to keep them from being able to practice such things.
I say nip it in the bud. When I attending school, cell phone use was generally prohibited, and few kids had cell phones. There are rules for clothing, and so on and so forth. Lets make sure there are clear rules and clear punishments in place for playing "The Walking Dead" on school property. Such as being expelled...
The purpose is to make it easier to spot and get help for troubled kids. Cleary we have a problem with doing so already. Lets not bury those kids in another haystack. Lets not normalize certain behaviors or imagery. Certain things should be held with respect and dignity.
Lets not alienate people that seek escapist entertainment for reasons that may include societal rejection.
Lets certainly not ruin their future and give them a genuine grievance against 'normal' people.
Certain things should be held with respect and dignity.
So why are you seeking to remove this kid's dignity by refusing to respect his choice of entertainment?
You are spot on. Reminds me of my arrest for disorderly conduct for crossing a street legally. Cop didn't like my camera, but there is no law in the state which prohibits crossing outside of specific circumstances like in between adjacent intersections. All one has to do to cross a street here is look both ways for oncoming traffic and cross. Of which there was even video of me doing. And disorderly conduct requires a complainant that isn't the officer and I believe some sort of noise or commotion of a level loud enough to impact others negatively. None of which occurred. Literally it was about 10-15 seconds of conversation with the officer between him coming up to me and my arrest. Charges were dropped and there is an ongoing lawsuit for violation of fundamental speech rights. Shockingly despite the officers attempt to hide his real intent we have video demonstrating his actual intent that contradicts his speech. Generally cops win this type of thing as there is no liability for an officer reasonably doing his job even if committing a crime. However that doesn't apply to fundamental rights like speech. So I couldn't win a lawsuit over him acting under the color of law even if illegal, normally, but I can win this because it was done so in the process of violating a fundamental right. Cops +zillion. Citizens +1.
Escapist entertainment is something to be enjoyed whilst away from school property. Particularly, anything that disrespects the school, or otherwise makes it harder for teachers and faculty to protect students by burying red flags in yet another haystack...
There are other games, and even non-"Augmented Reality" shooter games which the student can enjoy while on school property. A student will not be unduly inconvenienced by not being allowed to enjoy a very specific form of entertainment.
Finally, while on school property, a student is expected to adhere to a more rigorous standard of behavior suitable to that of the workplace. It would not be appropriate to go around an office building playing an augmented reality shooter, and therefore such behavior should not be condoned within the educational system.
Oh for fucks sake. Playing a computer game is not a fucking red fucking flag. Stop being a paranoid fucking idiot.
Playing a computer game does not disrespect the school. Playing a computer game does not make it harder for teachers to protect students.
Going on inane fucking witchhunts about computer games makes it harder to protect students, by wasting everybody's time and teaching kids that they're not respected and shouldn't expect justice from the system.
Finally, while on school property, a student is expected to adhere to a more rigorous standard of behavior suitable to that of the workplace
The places I work, people play computer games on the work computers. The companies provide gaming equipment in break rooms. People play games on their phones and their tablets when they're on a break.
Seems to me playing computer games is behaviour suitable in the workplace. Seems to me it's behaviour suitable at school too. Shit, I played computer games at school. Held the school's Chuckie Egg record; probably still do.
It would not be appropriate to go around an office building playing an augmented reality shooter
Bullshit.
Hell, my former boss in Texas used to have a rifle in his office. Multiple colleagues had firearms in their cars. And you're worried about a fucking computer game?
Grow the fuck up.
what a piece of shit (the deputy).
I went to High School in the 80s-- school shootings were not unknown then, but we had a tradition of using very real looking replica water guns to burst into classrooms and squirt teachers... AND IT WAS FINE.
You have a problem separating fake from reality. That is a symptom of an underdeveloped mind. Or you simply are just an idiot.
You are getting hysterical over a god damn mobile phone.
How old is that sherif's deputy? 800?
fuck off ivan
Thanks putin bot. Now we know that Assad is planning a chemical attack and the Russia propaganda machine is rehearsing its lies already, via mouthpieces like you.
The version I learned went:
It rolled off the table
and onto the floor
And then my poor meatball
rolled out of the door
It rolled in the garden
and under a bush
By then my poor meatball
was nothing but mush!
Ha!
Just because someone explains how the existing law works to you (for the first time?) doesn't mean they've expressed support for that aspect of it, try to keep up with what is actually said please.
Yeah they were so sure of their statement they posted as AC, just like you.
PROVING that is trickier. You seem more intent on trying to prove you're an asshole out to smell my balls instead, I don't know why.
Look nobody can smell what you don't have you eunuch. If you had balls you wouldn't hide behind AC and talk from high upon your pedestal. The fact that your retort talks about another man sniffing your balls says far more about you than him. How much experience do you you have with crotch sniffing? WHY WOULD YOU EVEN SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT YOU ANONYMOUS BASTARD?!?!
Indiana isn't a rich enough State to create a police state, the best they can hope for is to stomp on the rights of a few kids and maybe silence a few people who weren't sure if they wanted to speak, or not.
If Indiana does not have a police state, then they are working on financing it:
https://ij.org/press-release/i...
What if it turns out the zombies are not actually an untapped source of natural wealth, but are actually impoverished by their condition, and already sold off everything of value?
What if the only things of value they have left are things they stole? Things they stole recently!
I don't doubt that Indiana has some politicians whose personal dream is to make their State rich enough to be a police state, or some other type of dystopia, but that's not the same thing as having a realistic plan to enact it.
Most of the wealth in Indiana is held by farmers. Farmers do not even pay their own way, they require tax breaks so that their workers, and people in other industries, can pay the taxes. The end result of that is that it doesn't matter what the State's plan is, they won't come up with lots of new money; their rich people don't pay, won't pay, and are the darlings of their local politics.
All those kids writing their Walking Dead fanfics set in their hometowns better get ready for their misdemeanors.
That's a crime?!
Playing a computer game is not a red flag. A computer game which uses AR and guns in a school setting can be used as a recruiting or planning tool for a crime. Schools already have a problem with shooters. Parents and teachers are already on edge. A video game isn't something important to a student's life. There should be no loss of life on school property, ever. And to reflect that the situation is being taken seriously, and being given proper respect, even virtual simulations using "augmented reality" should not be allowed on school property.
This wouldn't have happened if the zombies had guns!
Parents and teachers are already on edge.
That's because stupid fuckwits react to tiny innocent things like playing a computer game and panic, call the police, charge a poor teenager with a serious crime when all he was doing was playing a fucking mobile phone game.
to reflect that the situation is being taken seriously, and being given proper respect, even virtual simulations using "augmented reality" should not be allowed on school property
That's not proper fucking respect. That's creating a culture of fear while entirely fucking ignoring the factors that actually lead to school shootings.
How many school shooters ever played AR games? How many ever shot zombies in their school? How many shot up schools long before computer games even fucking existed?
Shit, you're more of a problem than kids playing computer games are. Your reaction and the actions against this poor kid are substantially more likely to lead to school shootings than a fucking AR mobile phone game.
"Hi, we just fucked your entire future because we're paranoid idiots that don't understand shit but feel free to alienate and drive you out of normal society, giving you nothing to lose and a lot of grievance against the people causing you this hell."
Good message. Keep on fucking preaching.