The cost of migrating to the new system is offset by the benefit. Contrary to the peanut gallery's belief things don't just happen because NIH or because change for change's sake, and those who claim they do are simply ignorant of the purpose of the change.
Sooner even, because who really needs happy, loyal customers anyways?
Yeah I know right? Linux is dead. Everyone moved to BSD like the threatened to the last 10 times there was change people complained about. The only real problem with this scenario is the whingers didn't actually leave, they just sit around festering.
Aaah but can you? Many devices make you jump through all sorts of hoops to do just that. The top of the line Chromebooks made you jump through hoops, the bottom of the line Surface RT had secure boot locked down completely
You're going to see it change in the wrong way you expect before you see it change in the right way.
In the end, they can leave or deal with water scarcity. It sounds like things aren't bad enough for people to leave and improvements are impossible, so deal with it they will.
I know. Life can be tough in the country. I suggest they all move to a big city where they have these luxuries... WCPGW
it's as stupid as saying "heating is a luxury, you only need to add more layers of clothing"
Now that is interesting. Firstly you seem to be incapable of living in 40C without AC (toughen up buttercup). Then you seem to think that the answer to cold is to heat everything so you wear the same cloths all year around. It's called a jumper, and it does wonders for you winter gas bill.
The only thing stupid is people truly adapting their varied environment rather than learning to live with it.
40C? Last time it was 40C in the shade I was outside building a deck in the direct sun. The fact you can't live with that indoors without AC is quite sad.
A 10m x 10m room x 2m ceiling requires 12KW to cool it. I made the numbers easy to simulate an entire house and give 100sq meters of panel.
What a worthless calculator. Cool what? An insulated room? An uninsulated room? What's the starting temperature? What's the final temperature? 12KW AC? You turning the Sahara into the Arctic? There are whole houses in the middle of the desert that don't have that kind of systems installed and are perfectly cool and livable. Here have an equally useless calculator that gives a completely different an equally useless result: http://www.uk-air-conditioning...
Personally I put a 3.5kW unit in my 12x10x2 combined living / dining room. Try not to use calculators from someone trying to sell you overpriced junk. And solar on my roof (not sure where you're getting those solar figures from but man are you overpaying).
I know this. Because I live in one of these places.
I grew up in one of those places. Never had AC. The architecture with atriums and high ceilings precisely did help. It created much needed airflow that does a world of good for keeping the temperature livable. There's a big difference between 40C stagnant air, and 40C of moving air. The absolute temperature is not the problem.
You need AC? Grow some balls. (Side note: Testicles hang outside the body for cooling purposes)
These oil companies are migrating to cloud based services en-mass, happy to fork over huge contracts even for their mission critical / business sensitive things.
Don't confuse the consumer cloud with what enterprises do. I may not like the idea of linking my windows account to my microsoft account, but those Fortune 500s are all about linking entire active directory systems into the cloud.
What are you talking about SAP is the best thing you can do for your business.
You'll lose track of finances and accounts owed and your business expenses dramatically decline as a result. The trick is to work with suppliers who also use SAP and then they'll lose track of the fact you haven't paid their bills.
The company I work for switched to "concur" by SAP for travel stuff. It's sort of like they decided to combine the worst bits of paper forms with the worst bits of computer based forms, then dizzle a fine layer of dog poo over the top.
We did this migration last year. It was awesome[1]. So much better.
[1] This post is not a vote of confidence in SAP but a vote of no confidence in the IBM solution we used previously.
In business school, they taught me to value the customer relationship over its lifetime.
The value of the customer relationship is not fixed. Either you're not doing the lifetime cost assessment or you went to one of those crappy business schools that preach "the customer is always right". Screwing over a few customers for money at the expense of losing some of them may be a right business choice.... Especially when you have vendor lockin on your side.
It's probably expensive, yes, but whether it's prohibitively so depends entirely on your circumstances.
Your circumstances got you into using Oracle in the first place, it is prohibitively expensive to switch your application. If it weren't you wouldn't be using this type of platform in the first place.
In general whenever you think about doing anything with the RICO act to an organisation, just slap yourself in the face a few times, and then actually go through a normal list of federal crimes or civil contract law. RICO was designed to bring down the kind of organisation that didn't exist on paper. If you could throw a RICO book at Oracle, they'd already not exist, be paying a long backlock of federal fines, and Larry Ellison would be donating his net worth to as many people as possible to stay out of prision.
Which is ironically the exact opposite way to how commercial pricing works. Most large companies (reads employers) pay something close to wholesale while also being charged for reactance. The problem here is the local bitcoin mining rig doesn't actually support any jobs or the local economy so the incentive structure pays down.
So what are you going to do? Fold? Kick all local industry in the balls? Fight a lawsuit for preferential treatment?
it's more that the cost of maintaining parallel anything has rarely been a major consideration in the open source world
Actually it is a very real consideration, it has been something that has come up over and over again in the past 15 years. This isn't my opinion. I'm regurgitating the opinion of the maintainers of RedHat from their own mailing list. Parallel maintenance isn't just maintaining 2 pieces of software. It's maintaining 2 pieces of software, two dependency trees, a system for providing choice between these pieces of software and policies and procedures to check the preferred piece is used, and slapped on top additional compatibility work should someone chose to not want both pieces of software installed.
I also understand the cost of deprecating something and switching to something else. It's rarely cheaper than parallel maintenance, even when the end-product is better.
You just said the cost of introducing new thing is more expensive than the cost of introducing new thing + keeping old thing + maintaining a system to provide choice between said things. I don't see how you could be any more wrong, mathematically, philosophically, or about maintaining and developing software.
Are you kidding me? The default for all psychotropic drugs is 'poorly-understood'
The default it. Yet we have an entire world of data showing their effects and how they help. Guess what, the fundamental physics of the universe are also poorly understood. Are you going to complain about gravity not working as a result?
Get a grip.
Oh, and being depressed means you actually are going to more accurately judge some things, so...basically?
Oh I get it. It's you who poorly understand things. Sorry I thought you were talking about the field in general.
Proper house cats don't tend to roam far, don't tend to climb to the tops of trees
jumping jesus in a pogo stick! everybody knows that a burrow owl lives in a hole! in the ground! why the hell do you think they call it a âoeburrow owlâ anyway?!
Indeed they do. They also rarely do so in residential properties. Maybe you should read the first part of the sentence you quoted and think about it in the context of a 750 acre wildlife park while you're jumping for Jesus with in a pogo stick.... whatever that means.
Only if you think like that. Voting only works because you assume other people will act in a similar manner to yourself. Change doesn't happen by throwing your hands up in the air and giving up.
No, not because I think like that. Because it is like that. The voting system in America casts away a vote for the 3rd party unless you can get a significant portion of the country involved. You can't. Both major candidates could get on stage and each eat a baby before the next election and your 3rd party still won't get a significant vote, precisely because of the throwaway problem.
Fundamentally votes for 3rd parties only work in systems where the votes are either preferential (the votes don't get wasted when the 3rd party fails to even come in as a rounding error), or the system hasn't devolved to a 2 party system.
Linux was conceived as a university project. Clearly it shouldn't be used in enterprises. Point is that Linux is not some clone of a Unix kernel. It hasn't been that for many years. As the starting project it needed Unix compatibility for the GNU toolkit. lest it be completely useless and never adopted. Again it has deviated specifically from this over the years.
Case in point, we're having this discussion now. I don't see ip and ss in the GNU toolkit.
It is like the systemd interface fuckers took hold of everything. Fuckers.
Actually it's like the exact opposite. The biggest complaints about systemd is that its output and that of the journal are parseable by humans and not machines.
Why? Since when was Linux's core tenant to be cross platform? Linux is Linux. GNU utilities were ported to it, hurray, but it's still separate from Unix. If you want to run Unix, run Unix.
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The cost of migrating to the new system is offset by the benefit. Contrary to the peanut gallery's belief things don't just happen because NIH or because change for change's sake, and those who claim they do are simply ignorant of the purpose of the change.
Sooner even, because who really needs happy, loyal customers anyways?
Yeah I know right? Linux is dead. Everyone moved to BSD like the threatened to the last 10 times there was change people complained about. The only real problem with this scenario is the whingers didn't actually leave, they just sit around festering.
Aaah but can you? Many devices make you jump through all sorts of hoops to do just that. The top of the line Chromebooks made you jump through hoops, the bottom of the line Surface RT had secure boot locked down completely
You're going to see it change in the wrong way you expect before you see it change in the right way.
In the end, they can leave or deal with water scarcity. It sounds like things aren't bad enough for people to leave and improvements are impossible, so deal with it they will.
I know. Life can be tough in the country. I suggest they all move to a big city where they have these luxuries ... WCPGW
it's as stupid as saying "heating is a luxury, you only need to add more layers of clothing"
Now that is interesting. Firstly you seem to be incapable of living in 40C without AC (toughen up buttercup). Then you seem to think that the answer to cold is to heat everything so you wear the same cloths all year around. It's called a jumper, and it does wonders for you winter gas bill.
The only thing stupid is people truly adapting their varied environment rather than learning to live with it.
40C? Last time it was 40C in the shade I was outside building a deck in the direct sun. The fact you can't live with that indoors without AC is quite sad.
http://www.dry-it-out.com/cool...
A 10m x 10m room x 2m ceiling requires 12KW to cool it. I made the numbers easy to simulate an entire house and give 100sq meters of panel.
What a worthless calculator. Cool what? An insulated room? An uninsulated room? What's the starting temperature? What's the final temperature? 12KW AC? You turning the Sahara into the Arctic? There are whole houses in the middle of the desert that don't have that kind of systems installed and are perfectly cool and livable. Here have an equally useless calculator that gives a completely different an equally useless result: http://www.uk-air-conditioning...
Personally I put a 3.5kW unit in my 12x10x2 combined living / dining room. Try not to use calculators from someone trying to sell you overpriced junk.
And solar on my roof (not sure where you're getting those solar figures from but man are you overpaying).
I know this. Because I live in one of these places.
I grew up in one of those places. Never had AC. The architecture with atriums and high ceilings precisely did help. It created much needed airflow that does a world of good for keeping the temperature livable. There's a big difference between 40C stagnant air, and 40C of moving air. The absolute temperature is not the problem.
You need AC? Grow some balls. (Side note: Testicles hang outside the body for cooling purposes)
These oil companies are migrating to cloud based services en-mass, happy to fork over huge contracts even for their mission critical / business sensitive things.
Don't confuse the consumer cloud with what enterprises do. I may not like the idea of linking my windows account to my microsoft account, but those Fortune 500s are all about linking entire active directory systems into the cloud.
What are you talking about SAP is the best thing you can do for your business.
You'll lose track of finances and accounts owed and your business expenses dramatically decline as a result.
The trick is to work with suppliers who also use SAP and then they'll lose track of the fact you haven't paid their bills.
The company I work for switched to "concur" by SAP for travel stuff. It's sort of like they decided to combine the worst bits of paper forms with the worst bits of computer based forms, then dizzle a fine layer of dog poo over the top.
We did this migration last year. It was awesome[1]. So much better.
[1] This post is not a vote of confidence in SAP but a vote of no confidence in the IBM solution we used previously.
If this is a concern for you then you probably deserve to get audited.
In business school, they taught me to value the customer relationship over its lifetime.
The value of the customer relationship is not fixed. Either you're not doing the lifetime cost assessment or you went to one of those crappy business schools that preach "the customer is always right". Screwing over a few customers for money at the expense of losing some of them may be a right business choice. ... Especially when you have vendor lockin on your side.
It's probably expensive, yes, but whether it's prohibitively so depends entirely on your circumstances.
Your circumstances got you into using Oracle in the first place, it is prohibitively expensive to switch your application. If it weren't you wouldn't be using this type of platform in the first place.
Then it's time to hit Oracle with a RICO Act . . .
In general whenever you think about doing anything with the RICO act to an organisation, just slap yourself in the face a few times, and then actually go through a normal list of federal crimes or civil contract law. RICO was designed to bring down the kind of organisation that didn't exist on paper. If you could throw a RICO book at Oracle, they'd already not exist, be paying a long backlock of federal fines, and Larry Ellison would be donating his net worth to as many people as possible to stay out of prision.
So no, it's never time to hit a corporation with a RICO Act: https://www.popehat.com/2016/0...
Which is ironically the exact opposite way to how commercial pricing works. Most large companies (reads employers) pay something close to wholesale while also being charged for reactance. The problem here is the local bitcoin mining rig doesn't actually support any jobs or the local economy so the incentive structure pays down.
So what are you going to do? Fold? Kick all local industry in the balls? Fight a lawsuit for preferential treatment?
Which is precisely what the complaining is about. Locals suddenly paying an artificially inflated price due to non-real demand.
it's more that the cost of maintaining parallel anything has rarely been a major consideration in the open source world
Actually it is a very real consideration, it has been something that has come up over and over again in the past 15 years. This isn't my opinion. I'm regurgitating the opinion of the maintainers of RedHat from their own mailing list. Parallel maintenance isn't just maintaining 2 pieces of software. It's maintaining 2 pieces of software, two dependency trees, a system for providing choice between these pieces of software and policies and procedures to check the preferred piece is used, and slapped on top additional compatibility work should someone chose to not want both pieces of software installed.
I also understand the cost of deprecating something and switching to something else. It's rarely cheaper than parallel maintenance, even when the end-product is better.
You just said the cost of introducing new thing is more expensive than the cost of introducing new thing + keeping old thing + maintaining a system to provide choice between said things. I don't see how you could be any more wrong, mathematically, philosophically, or about maintaining and developing software.
Are you kidding me? The default for all psychotropic drugs is 'poorly-understood'
The default it. Yet we have an entire world of data showing their effects and how they help. Guess what, the fundamental physics of the universe are also poorly understood. Are you going to complain about gravity not working as a result?
Get a grip.
Oh, and being depressed means you actually are going to more accurately judge some things, so...basically?
Oh I get it. It's you who poorly understand things. Sorry I thought you were talking about the field in general.
Proper house cats don't tend to roam far, don't tend to climb to the tops of trees
jumping jesus in a pogo stick! everybody knows that a burrow owl lives in a hole! in the ground! why the hell do you think they call it a âoeburrow owlâ anyway?!
Indeed they do. They also rarely do so in residential properties. Maybe you should read the first part of the sentence you quoted and think about it in the context of a 750 acre wildlife park while you're jumping for Jesus with in a pogo stick. ... whatever that means.
Only if you think like that. Voting only works because you assume other people will act in a similar manner to yourself. Change doesn't happen by throwing your hands up in the air and giving up.
No, not because I think like that. Because it is like that. The voting system in America casts away a vote for the 3rd party unless you can get a significant portion of the country involved. You can't. Both major candidates could get on stage and each eat a baby before the next election and your 3rd party still won't get a significant vote, precisely because of the throwaway problem.
Fundamentally votes for 3rd parties only work in systems where the votes are either preferential (the votes don't get wasted when the 3rd party fails to even come in as a rounding error), or the system hasn't devolved to a 2 party system.
Linux was conceived as a university project. Clearly it shouldn't be used in enterprises. Point is that Linux is not some clone of a Unix kernel. It hasn't been that for many years. As the starting project it needed Unix compatibility for the GNU toolkit. lest it be completely useless and never adopted. Again it has deviated specifically from this over the years.
Case in point, we're having this discussion now. I don't see ip and ss in the GNU toolkit.
Wow someone is off their meds.
because I'm SICK of having to learn
Ironic for a Linux users.
It is like the systemd interface fuckers took hold of everything. Fuckers.
Actually it's like the exact opposite. The biggest complaints about systemd is that its output and that of the journal are parseable by humans and not machines.
That would be moronic
Why? Since when was Linux's core tenant to be cross platform? Linux is Linux. GNU utilities were ported to it, hurray, but it's still separate from Unix. If you want to run Unix, run Unix.
You would think that the cost of maintaining parallel tools, codes, and libraries would be well understand by someone who's slashdot handle is 'c'.