They found that 40% reduction in crashes when they were doing the investigation the month after Autopilot decapitated a guy on a trailer! Of COURSE everyone was being careful on Autopilot at that period in time.
You could have just said you hadn't read the investigation. It would have been shorter to type.
No. Wait what! Betteridge was wrong? Yes actually the answer is clear that post-tensioning activities were quite likely what the collapse. That is pretty evident from the video footage showing small explosions either side of support member 11 followed about 2 frames later with the bridge starting to fall, along with the fact that crews were working on top of the member (and the only thing up there are the ends of the tensioning rods).
But that's the end of what we know. There's nothing about the root cause of the incident. Nothing about if this was a routine exercise that exposed some other flaw or that they screwed up the process itself, or maybe the designer screwed it up, who knows. That's what investigation teams are for and the many variables are why investigations generally take a long time.
I would say it's a bit premature for a lawsuit, but this is America. I'm surprised they don't just pre-emptively sue all engineering companies at this point and then just drop lawsuits if nothing goes wrong.
Seems pretty damn clear who fucked up and who should be held accountable here.
Then please share for those of us less enlightened. I mean in your quote you already mentioned at least two separate people, but since you've done the investigation I'm sure you can also tell us about: - How you've reviewed the engineering drawings and design to ensure that it was designed correctly. - How you've reviewed construction to ensure that construction was as per design. - How you've reviewed the composition of materials. - How you've reviewed that pre-tensioning was completed correctly. - How you've reviewed that there was no damage during movement. You're clearly a structural engineer with detailed knowledge of the shape and effect of the crack on the bridge too I see, so likely you've reviewed the fact that the previous engineers were wrong when they looked at the cracks, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted that part about an "ignored" voice mail that wasn't so much ignored as it was discussed in committee for an hour. But you knew that already right?
While we're at it, why not tell us about the process. Apparently you know the exact failure so what was it? Was the tensioning done incorrectly? Was it equipment which failed? Was the hydraulic system calibrated properly? I mean it's amazing that you know all this, last I heard people weren't even sure if they were tensioning or detensioning.
But please enlighten us on all the above since you know the cause of it. If there's anything there you don't know then how are you certain that you actually found the cause and who's at fault? By the way you should become a super incident investigator since you've solved in mere days what normally takes months to identify. Kudos to you!
You're right on the mark, but not because you were mislead but because you misread into Tesla's statement. They weren't attempting to portray the car as having tried to prevent the accident in the last 6 seconds, they were attempting to portray the driver as an inattentive rule breaker who ignores the car and what goes on around him.
No doubt by the time the NHSTA is done with it the guy will have been playing his Switch or getting his nails done or something, but the point I'm making is that when investigating ANY incident it is always important to look into the details well in advance of the actual incident for clues. They give give a lot of information about the state of the equipment (reports about faults with auto-steer), the state of the mind (auto-steer enabled even though the driver reported faults), and the state of the people (reports that a person who complained about the quality of his autosteering trusted it more than the warnings to take control earlier in the drive).
You piece these puzzles together to get the full picture on what happened.
This is a very localised trend for the USA. In Europe the competition is quite healthy and very few people care about Tesla. The BMW i3 and Renault Zoe dwarf Tesla in both sales and market share and for good reasons that you tried to mention:
- Charge speed: 99% of charging is done at home. Very few people care about superchargers in Europe and the only places I've ever seen Teslas is plugged into the stock standard socket at the stock standard charge rate of everyone else. Few EV owners are road trippers. - Less reliable network is just a load of garbage. - Speed is somewhat irrelevant when you're driving in a 30 zone. (That's km/h), and at that speed so is handling. - Looks... debatable. the Zoe is a perfectly normal looking car.
One thing is important though, the competition actually makes cars you can drive and park in the city. The Model S is a tank and almost impossible to reverse park in Europe.
So yes, in the USA you are spot on. People have very different priorities, but it's also worth remembering that most of the competition in the EV market couldn't give a crap about the USA market right now. They are either trying to appease the Chinese government or produce cars in markets that aren't actively hostile towards them.
While it very well may be safer, the data doesn't exist to prove it.
The NHSTA disagrees with you. Their last investigation into an autopilot incident specifically looked very closely at data along specific routes and found a 40% reduction in crashes.
Seriously, how freaking stupid can companies be to think that the "cloud" is the answer?
You haven't read a Microsoft annual report have you? Or see Microsoft's shareprice since they started down the cloud path right? Or looked at where their enterprise services profits come from.
How stupid can they be? Stupid enough to be getting very frigging rich. I wish I were that stupid.
Spelling and grammar aside nothing in your post made any form of coherent sense at all.
You made a subject statement. Said you'll provide an example. Made an assertion about that example that has nothing to do with the original subject statement along with an off topic comment. Doubled down on that off topic comment with a another completely baseless sentence. Then finished with another statement that while reasonable in its own right has nothing at all to do with what you wrote thus far.
If you were making a point,... or 3. You did so very poorly.
Not at all. All that matters is exposure. In that regard it doesn't matter how big your cellphone is. A phone next to your test is like a phone next to your head. All that means is of the link is real humans won't get toe cancer from using their cellphones at their head
Which is precisely my point. Google has yet to see corporate or commercial users. And the links will keep working and they didn't kill the service without offering an alternative.
But I don't think any of this matters, what Trump EPA does or what Obama EPA did. World will pretty much be all electric in the near future.
Depends on what you think matters. You're right the world is moving towards electric. What trump is doing here is giving USA car makers incentive not to play along and get involved. Fast forward 20 years and you'll all be driving Chinese and European cars and still blaming Obama for killing the car industry.
For whom? The mum and dad who have all their valuable data on a single non backed up HDD hoping that it is both fireproof and will last forever?
Local storage is the best for people who know enough about computers to properly manage their data. That makes about 0.01% of the computer users out there.
And where do normal people put the stuff then? Not us. Most Slashdot users are more than capable of setting up their own personal cloud service on their ultra fast home fibre connections with 40mbit upload capacity. No, normal users. I see a quote above talking about a Synology server, I see talk about not trusting any cloud service, but I see very little talk of practical alternatives.
Personally I tell the computer newbies to put their stuff in the cloud. Yeah, Amazon may announce that they will remove their MP3s, but frankly the data is still safer there than on their HDD which won't announce its sudden demise, isn't accessible on their portable devices, and is very unlikely to be sufficiently backed up.
Shocked I tell you. Disgusted and shocked at this new concept that the USA government doesn't provide workers in the country with legal protection. This is completely news to...
okay I couldn't finish that sentence without laughing at the idea that people in the USA have workers rights. Quite frankly we normally use the USA as a punchline when discussing worker's rights. So congress's response is at least expected and consistent.
The "gig-economy" isn't a new concept. This is how things used to be before there were unions.
Not at all. You're just comparing the benefits. The actual work process is incredibly different. If it needed to be compared to anything it would be to labour-for-hire companies.
This is Google we're talking about, you know, that company that has a habit of killing products that don't meet its internal targets, users be damned?
Except this wouldn't affect users as much as it would affect companies, and "users" is being a bit dramatic. Often "user" would be a more apt word given the low popularity of things they have killed.
There's only one thing certain about Brexit. It has turned into the UK's biggest clusterfuck and that effect is spreading elsewhere. It is having some very interesting effects as well. 3 major companies have announced they are re-headquartering to the Netherlands. The interesting thing there is that rental prices in Amsterdam have skyrocketted and it's caused a housing crisis in Nord-Holland as the city was unprepared for several thousand cashed up migrants to suddenly want to live there.
It's all been very interesting. Then there's the hysteria of it. My own company has it's headquarters in the UK, but it's a multi-national company financed in USD, and with multiple head quarters all over the world (including 3 on the EU mainland). Yet the pro Brexit people hold us up as an example that Brexit will have zero impact on businesses because we announced we won't move.... But then we don't need to either.
It sucks for all involved but at least the news is entertaining.
URL shorteners are of the devil - people should never be asked to click on an obfuscated link.
That depends. If the URL is a 400 character long alphabet soup then it's already nearly as obfuscated. The ideal middle ground would be a shortening using a service that previews the URL first before directing you through.
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They found that 40% reduction in crashes when they were doing the investigation the month after Autopilot decapitated a guy on a trailer! Of COURSE everyone was being careful on Autopilot at that period in time.
You could have just said you hadn't read the investigation. It would have been shorter to type.
No. Wait what! Betteridge was wrong? Yes actually the answer is clear that post-tensioning activities were quite likely what the collapse. That is pretty evident from the video footage showing small explosions either side of support member 11 followed about 2 frames later with the bridge starting to fall, along with the fact that crews were working on top of the member (and the only thing up there are the ends of the tensioning rods).
But that's the end of what we know. There's nothing about the root cause of the incident. Nothing about if this was a routine exercise that exposed some other flaw or that they screwed up the process itself, or maybe the designer screwed it up, who knows. That's what investigation teams are for and the many variables are why investigations generally take a long time.
I would say it's a bit premature for a lawsuit, but this is America. I'm surprised they don't just pre-emptively sue all engineering companies at this point and then just drop lawsuits if nothing goes wrong.
Seems pretty damn clear who fucked up and who should be held accountable here.
Then please share for those of us less enlightened. I mean in your quote you already mentioned at least two separate people, but since you've done the investigation I'm sure you can also tell us about:
- How you've reviewed the engineering drawings and design to ensure that it was designed correctly.
- How you've reviewed construction to ensure that construction was as per design.
- How you've reviewed the composition of materials.
- How you've reviewed that pre-tensioning was completed correctly.
- How you've reviewed that there was no damage during movement.
You're clearly a structural engineer with detailed knowledge of the shape and effect of the crack on the bridge too I see, so likely you've reviewed the fact that the previous engineers were wrong when they looked at the cracks, otherwise you wouldn't have quoted that part about an "ignored" voice mail that wasn't so much ignored as it was discussed in committee for an hour. But you knew that already right?
While we're at it, why not tell us about the process. Apparently you know the exact failure so what was it? Was the tensioning done incorrectly? Was it equipment which failed? Was the hydraulic system calibrated properly? I mean it's amazing that you know all this, last I heard people weren't even sure if they were tensioning or detensioning.
But please enlighten us on all the above since you know the cause of it. If there's anything there you don't know then how are you certain that you actually found the cause and who's at fault? By the way you should become a super incident investigator since you've solved in mere days what normally takes months to identify. Kudos to you!
You're right on the mark, but not because you were mislead but because you misread into Tesla's statement. They weren't attempting to portray the car as having tried to prevent the accident in the last 6 seconds, they were attempting to portray the driver as an inattentive rule breaker who ignores the car and what goes on around him.
No doubt by the time the NHSTA is done with it the guy will have been playing his Switch or getting his nails done or something, but the point I'm making is that when investigating ANY incident it is always important to look into the details well in advance of the actual incident for clues. They give give a lot of information about the state of the equipment (reports about faults with auto-steer), the state of the mind (auto-steer enabled even though the driver reported faults), and the state of the people (reports that a person who complained about the quality of his autosteering trusted it more than the warnings to take control earlier in the drive).
You piece these puzzles together to get the full picture on what happened.
Because there is no competition to the Model 3.
This is a very localised trend for the USA. In Europe the competition is quite healthy and very few people care about Tesla.
The BMW i3 and Renault Zoe dwarf Tesla in both sales and market share and for good reasons that you tried to mention:
- Charge speed: 99% of charging is done at home. Very few people care about superchargers in Europe and the only places I've ever seen Teslas is plugged into the stock standard socket at the stock standard charge rate of everyone else. Few EV owners are road trippers. ... debatable. the Zoe is a perfectly normal looking car.
- Less reliable network is just a load of garbage.
- Speed is somewhat irrelevant when you're driving in a 30 zone. (That's km/h), and at that speed so is handling.
- Looks
One thing is important though, the competition actually makes cars you can drive and park in the city. The Model S is a tank and almost impossible to reverse park in Europe.
So yes, in the USA you are spot on. People have very different priorities, but it's also worth remembering that most of the competition in the EV market couldn't give a crap about the USA market right now. They are either trying to appease the Chinese government or produce cars in markets that aren't actively hostile towards them.
While it very well may be safer, the data doesn't exist to prove it.
The NHSTA disagrees with you. Their last investigation into an autopilot incident specifically looked very closely at data along specific routes and found a 40% reduction in crashes.
It feels like am waiting forever to put a large file on my onedrive.
If you're waiting for your files to move to the cloud then you are doing it wrong. These things are background services for a reason.
Seriously, how freaking stupid can companies be to think that the "cloud" is the answer?
You haven't read a Microsoft annual report have you? Or see Microsoft's shareprice since they started down the cloud path right? Or looked at where their enterprise services profits come from.
How stupid can they be? Stupid enough to be getting very frigging rich. I wish I were that stupid.
Whoever the hell you are.
Spelling and grammar aside nothing in your post made any form of coherent sense at all.
You made a subject statement.
Said you'll provide an example.
Made an assertion about that example that has nothing to do with the original subject statement along with an off topic comment.
Doubled down on that off topic comment with a another completely baseless sentence.
Then finished with another statement that while reasonable in its own right has nothing at all to do with what you wrote thus far.
If you were making a point, ... or 3. You did so very poorly.
Competition is baaaad.
It is if it doesn't offer anything that competitors don't already offer.
Not at all. All that matters is exposure. In that regard it doesn't matter how big your cellphone is. A phone next to your test is like a phone next to your head. All that means is of the link is real humans won't get toe cancer from using their cellphones at their head
Which is precisely my point. Google has yet to see corporate or commercial users. And the links will keep working and they didn't kill the service without offering an alternative.
But I don't think any of this matters, what Trump EPA does or what Obama EPA did. World will pretty much be all electric in the near future.
Depends on what you think matters. You're right the world is moving towards electric. What trump is doing here is giving USA car makers incentive not to play along and get involved. Fast forward 20 years and you'll all be driving Chinese and European cars and still blaming Obama for killing the car industry.
You won't need to give incentives to cleaner tech
That entirely depends on the rate at which you wish to solve the problem.
Local storage is best
For whom? The mum and dad who have all their valuable data on a single non backed up HDD hoping that it is both fireproof and will last forever?
Local storage is the best for people who know enough about computers to properly manage their data. That makes about 0.01% of the computer users out there.
And where do normal people put the stuff then? Not us. Most Slashdot users are more than capable of setting up their own personal cloud service on their ultra fast home fibre connections with 40mbit upload capacity. No, normal users. I see a quote above talking about a Synology server, I see talk about not trusting any cloud service, but I see very little talk of practical alternatives.
Personally I tell the computer newbies to put their stuff in the cloud. Yeah, Amazon may announce that they will remove their MP3s, but frankly the data is still safer there than on their HDD which won't announce its sudden demise, isn't accessible on their portable devices, and is very unlikely to be sufficiently backed up.
Shocked I tell you. Disgusted and shocked at this new concept that the USA government doesn't provide workers in the country with legal protection. This is completely news to...
okay I couldn't finish that sentence without laughing at the idea that people in the USA have workers rights. Quite frankly we normally use the USA as a punchline when discussing worker's rights. So congress's response is at least expected and consistent.
You're not an employee making wealth for someone else if you run your own business.
The "gig-economy" isn't a new concept. This is how things used to be before there were unions.
Not at all. You're just comparing the benefits. The actual work process is incredibly different. If it needed to be compared to anything it would be to labour-for-hire companies.
This is Google we're talking about, you know, that company that has a habit of killing products that don't meet its internal targets, users be damned?
Except this wouldn't affect users as much as it would affect companies, and "users" is being a bit dramatic. Often "user" would be a more apt word given the low popularity of things they have killed.
Lol. Actually there probably be far less wars in the world of the USA just didn't exist.
The USA world police is much like Americas police. Hated bullies with weapons paying on the weak.
There's only one thing certain about Brexit. It has turned into the UK's biggest clusterfuck and that effect is spreading elsewhere. It is having some very interesting effects as well. 3 major companies have announced they are re-headquartering to the Netherlands. The interesting thing there is that rental prices in Amsterdam have skyrocketted and it's caused a housing crisis in Nord-Holland as the city was unprepared for several thousand cashed up migrants to suddenly want to live there.
It's all been very interesting. Then there's the hysteria of it. My own company has it's headquarters in the UK, but it's a multi-national company financed in USD, and with multiple head quarters all over the world (including 3 on the EU mainland). Yet the pro Brexit people hold us up as an example that Brexit will have zero impact on businesses because we announced we won't move. ... But then we don't need to either.
It sucks for all involved but at least the news is entertaining.
No it won't because if you bothered to read any part of the announcement you'll realise existing Goo.gl links will continue to work
URL shorteners are of the devil - people should never be asked to click on an obfuscated link.
That depends. If the URL is a 400 character long alphabet soup then it's already nearly as obfuscated. The ideal middle ground would be a shortening using a service that previews the URL first before directing you through.