With your NGWS you get...nothing!
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Having done enough/too much Microsoft product support in the past, where the company is no help at all, and you must pay extra for Tech Net if you are to even have a PRAYER of solving obscure problems, I will not buy a product from MSFT that is sold like this. I will not recommend or suggest to any company I work for that they deploy new projects or desktops on MS operating systems. Or with MS products of other kinds that have these kinds of licenses.
What I will do is struggle along with my existing NT 4.0 full CDs. If I must use MSFT, I will certainly not accept it as part of a computer purchase - I'll either get no OS installed or Linux... Once I can run the one or two programs I must run as part of my employment on Linux, bye-bye MSFT.
I also don't see that MSFT's product line is becoming anything but ludicrous - right now they are selling Windows 95, Windows98, NT 4.0 and assorted service packs, Windows 2000, and still and even more unnecessary, Windows ME (no, not me, defintiely not, maybe Win U). Why exactly do wew need another MSFT product??? Exactly how come? I think the model is beginning to break down and become quite funny.
What other manufacturer causes the reaction when something goes wrong with the product of doing anything at all possible to solve the problem BEFORE calling the manufacturer for help in fixing it. My first reaction is I do not want to be told I must install an upgraded service pack (I am quite happy running NT 4.0 SP3 - well, almost happy. Happier with Solaris x86 2.7 and RedHat 6.0, actually, but for a sh*t box windows OS, NT 4.0 isn't nearly as annoying as, say, win95...). I rode out the chaos of Y2K just fine without upgrading the Service Pack, and I keep the box behind a (Linux) firewall anyway, so within my little consultant's network it is just fine as is. But I DON'T call MSFT. It doesn't even occur to me. I call SUN. I call Red Hat. I call Veritas, EMC/CLARiiON.
Maybe this will hasten the death of software from Redmond, one can always hope...
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please see www.completeidiot.com
granted that even paranoids have enemies, I would prefer an at least somewhat plausable conspiracy...
"in the really good conspiracies, no one ever finds out..." Jerry Fletcher
The developing scandal had nothing to do with anything but who screwed who in the Oval office. And, really, who cares. We neglected the moral high ground too long as it was in intervening in Kosovo. A better question is why we didn't lift a f*cking finger when Hutus killed Tutsi's (oh, wait a minute - that's Africa and we don't really care what happens in Africa...).
Precision Munitions is mostly Pentagon horseshit. And why would the government bother with that when there are far more subtle ways to kill (plant a bomb, blame it on someone).
The blinding light of truth has left spots before your eyes dude. Get a life.
...And "the Market" is not the economy, Jon...
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This isn't new, this is obvious to anyone who bothers to think about it. I would agree that the (false over-)valuation of stocks affects capitalization of R & D and perhaps sucks capital from more grounded, better deserving (less-technological) ideas/companies. HOWEVER -
Those more-grounded companies are also producing products and profits and have sound marketing and business plans BEFORE they decide to go for an IPO or venture capital rounds. They will find capital when they need it. The bubble for tech stocks has already burst and will continue to burst as needed. Like Junk Bonds past this too will pass.
I usually find you intriguing and somewhat ahead in your thinking, but this just strikes me as all-encompassing alarmist crap
The statement Most of the current generation of technology leaders and workers has never really known recession, depression, or even much in the way of serious reversal. - that's patently crap. I'm 40. I watched severe recession in the 70's and the recession of the early 90's. I also remember Howard Ruff insisting that any day the sky would fall, dammit. This is the same horseshit.
Vapor-Companies like petcrap.com and grocery_pitstop.com may be run by 20-somethings, but they are anomalies, not prevalent.
Most of the statements say "IS" when they should say "WAS". Old news, Jon. Not very alarming. Shakeups, even a recession soon, sure, but there is also real value created in this mess, and that will persist and level things out.
Wouldn't want any heros to show up and stand for individuality now would we?
I think a valid hope is that corporations will drown in their own bullshit.
The corporate entity I work for has decided that text paging is just so wonderfully convenient they expect me to pay attention to 25 to 30 informational (non-action) pages per day, plus the four or less action pages (pages that deserve attention and require actually doing something...). I turn the alert audible when I am on call and to silent all other times.
When you place enough noise on a communication channel that channel becomes useless. Spam makes e-mail less useful. The ILOVEYOU virus wipes out entire email exchanges by placing an overload of NOISE...
Half the crap I get as corporate communications is entirely useless. I have managers who feel productive in meetings (what the f*ck is that? Meetings are a barely necessary evil to decide what productive things to do later - after the f*cking meeting).
The corporate "culture" I work in is so smugly superior and self-satisfied ("it's not easy, you know, to get hired here at XYZ...") it's enough to make you puke.
But I also hoped that network TV would be forced to improve in quality by cable and satellite - instead there seems to have been the spread of even more bland product...
TV is a vast marketing entity with no art, no soul, and 34 minutes of programming per hour... I grew up with TV, but at that time they were just beginning to perfect advertising and targeting. My kids are so thoroughly targetted they don't even see it.
And the game shows - Marry a Millionaire? What WAS that? Greed! Greater Greed! Stupendous Greed! I am going (I swear) to bring in a "new" idea called "Beat the Reaper" including pitching "Symptom Six" as one of the features. And do these guys just miss completely the satire in "The Running Man" (one of the best tongue-in-cheek Schwartzenegger films). In the background of one of the scenes was a guy climbing a rope trying to grab cash and avoid being eaten by sharks...
Are most of the people on this planet just completely f*cking blind???
I was alarmed at the Pinkerton WAVE concept - the idea of "let's just make the money, if we don't someone else will...". No one actually EVER consults their conscience as to what should be done. Look at George "here-we-go-again" Bush, with the largest fund raising pre-primary pot ever (70 Million? And that was just what showed...) - and he is too un-seeing to even realize that that isn't a good thing (raising tons of corporate $$$$)... And now he is a reformer????
I think you are quite right to raise a warning flag here, Jon. I would hope you do keep this up. Enough ranting, got to go laugh at the MS Exchange admins rebuilding their servers after ILOVEYOU finished 'em... And, Christ/., get some f*cking power in your servers, this is so slow it's pitiful...
Wouldn't want any heros to show up and stand for individuality now would we?
I think a valid hope is that corporations will drown in their own bullshit.
The corporate entity I work for has decided that text paging is just so wonderfully convenient they expect me to pay attention to 25 to 30 informational (non-action) pages per day, plus the four or less action pages (pages that deserve attention and require actually doing something...). I turn the alert audible when I am on call and to silent all other times.
When you place enough noise on a communication channel that channel becomes useless. Spam makes e-mail less useful. The ILOVEYOU virus wipes out entire email exchanges by placing an overload of NOISE...
Half the crap I get as corporate communications is entirely useless. I have managers who feel productive in meetings (what the f*ck is that? Meetings are a barely necessary evil to decide what productive things to do later - after the f*cking meeting).
The corporate "culture" I work in is so smugly superior and self-satisfied ("it's not easy, you know, to get hired here at XYZ...") it's enough to make you puke.
But I also hoped that network TV would be forced to improve in quality by cable and satellite - instead there seems to have been the spread of even more bland product...
TV is a vast marketing entity with no art, no soul, and 34 minutes of programming per hour... I grew up with TV, but at that time they were just beginning to perfect advertising and targeting. My kids are so thoroughly targetted they don't even see it.
And the game shows - Marry a Millionaire? What WAS that? Greed! Greater Greed! Stupendous Greed! I am going (I swear) to bring in a "new" idea called "Beat the Reaper" including pitching "Symptom Six" as one of the features. And do these guys just miss completely the satire in "The Running Man" (one of the best tongue-in-cheek Schwartzenegger films). In the background of one of the scenes was a guy climbing a rope trying to grab cash and avoid being eaten by sharks...
Are most of the people on this planet just completely f*cking blind???
I was alarmed at the Pinkerton WAVE concept - the idea of "let's just make the money, if we don't someone else will...". No one actually EVER consults their conscience as to what should be done. Look at George "here-we-go-again" Bush, with the largest fund raising pre-primary pot ever (70 Million? And that was just what showed...) - and he is too un-seeing to even realize that that isn't a good thing (raising tons of corporate $$$$)... And now he is a reformer????
I think you are quite right to raise a warning flag here, Jon. I would hope you do keep this up. Enough ranting, got to go laugh at the MS Exchange admins rebuilding their servers after ILOVEYOU finished 'em...
Try a company with a 32,000 entry global address book, plus countless (certainly can't count em now! !^)) group addresses and at best count (before the servers were taken down) four users who ignored e-mail, signs, and voicemail (maybe working from home...) and opened the attachment...
Within 20 minutes the servers were down, and won't be back up until tomorrow AM
At least the poor saps who are responsible for administering that crap got a catered lunch today so that they can be fed while they work all f*cking night trying to get rid of this...
Thank God I work with UNIX only...
The joke here is you can't really be sure whether the virus actually caused the NT srevers to come down... Or if it was just time for a reboot...
We had (1) a mesage in e-mail warning of the virus, and (2) a voice-mail warning of the virus (actually two messages), and (3) signs taped at all the entrances to the building
We also HAD e-mail, but with a 32,000 entry company global address book, plus group mail addresses, that was quickly taken down when four people opened the attachment anyway...
positive re-enforcement is one of the mainstays of behavioral conditioning (brainwashing for the laymen)
Do you really feel that people are that subject to influence outside themselves? I seem to recall that of the soldiers brutally brainwashed during the Korean war only perhaps one or maybe two did not renounce the statements they had been coerced to make. I think people are far far tougher than you give them credit for.
If the electrical charge does produce a feeling of wellbeing while you are participating in the practice of belief it is much the same as giving a dog a treat whenever it performs a trick correctly.
Yes but there is no such feeling. Go grab a set of cans, and connect a whatever-the-miniscule-charge is to them - probably take a battery, maybe AAA? AA?... Now do you really feel anything? Anything at all? How the hell do you prove a negative anyway?
We humans are just as conditionable as any other creature.
I disagree. See above. People have dreams and hopes that a basic animal existence doesn't allow. That's what makes them people.
After all the militaries of the world are conditioned to lay down their lives for the idologies preached to them since their youth (ours included).
Sometimes this is a good thing. Sometimes it is bad. But this is NOT brainwashing, these are ideals and concepts of honor and truth, the idea that one's society and within that one's family is worth laying down one's life for. I doubt anyone dies for an idea willingly, but a man will die for a dream. I think one of the things that is most admirable in man is that holding of a higher ideal, of the mother rescuing her child, despite that rescue causing her own death, of Galileo having seen what he had seen and observed what he observed, refusing to disown it despite the real threats brought against him.
You lead by placing dreams in front of people and asking them to follow them. Good leaders do anyway. From this taken all the way out you see all of existence as "brainwashing" and I thoroughly disagree.
As far as Anonomous - do you listen at all to the scorn and hate expressed through the threads here? I'll most likely be discarding mail for weeks.
Having a bad day Scientology? Can only yell lies lies lies but never reply to http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/censorship/ Well, kiss my website once more http://www.lermanet.com See the Scientologist with no head http://www.lermanet.com/PhotoLIES.htm Re "yapping" you don't say anything, you just yap like some annoying version of "drop the chalupa" Care to post the project orders you are operating on? Meanwhile, read about your scientologists that broke in the assistant US Attorney Generals office. Oh but I know you "don't do that anymore' Are these postings the tip of a new iceberg of what you do try to accomplish? But you are right about one thing, "borg" is a better description, and Scientology's Religious cloaking device, does work about the same way as the Star Treck's Romulan Cloaking device http://www.lermanet.com/reference/77Granjurypart1. htm Arnie Lerma
Actually I'm having a very good day, Arn. I do not yell, and I do not lie. You are searching under rugs that do not exist, I have no project orders, I just disagree with your opinions. I very much disagree. What you express as fact I know not to be true. I really do.
I believe that people are more than the bodies you see, I believe they are more truly a life force, that they are a soul. I believe that my personal honesty is very important, as is my integrity and honor. More important than my present existence. I believe that soul is basically good (there we have a difference from Catholicism, closer to Buddhist in many ways). I believe that I am a very old soul. I believe that an individual can never be coerced into freedom. I believe that people can become more than they are now, that the crime and evil on this earth can be held back by a society but only solved by individuals. I believe the saner people can become, the better for myself, for my children and for the future of this people here on earth.
Having a bad day Scientology? Can only yell lies lies lies but never reply to http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/censorship/ Well, kiss my website once more http://www.lermanet.com See the Scientologist with no head http://www.lermanet.com/PhotoLIES.htm Re "yapping" you don't say anything, you just yap like some annoying version of "drop the chalupa" Care to post the project orders you are operating on? Meanwhile, read about your scientologists that broke in the assistant US Attorney Generals office. Oh but I know you "don't do that anymore' Are these postings the tip of a new iceberg of what you do try to accomplish? But you are right about one thing, "borg" is a better description, and Scientology's Religious cloaking device, does work about the same way as the Star Treck's Romulan Cloaking device http://www.lermanet.com/reference/77Granjurypart1. htm Arnie Lerma
Actually I am having a wonderful day despite being on-call (sysadmin in a very large co). I'm really sorry to see the stress is getting to you Arn, seriously.
I believe that people are more than the bodies you see, I believe they are more truly a life force, that they are a soul. I believe that my personal honesty is very important, as is my integrity and honor. More important than my present existence. I believe that soul is basically good (there we have a difference from Catholicism, closer to Buddhist in many ways). I believe that I am a very old soul. I believe that an individual can never be coerced into freedom. I believe that people can become more than they are now, that the crime and evil on this earth can be held back by a society but only solved by individuals. I think that there are assholes everywhere, including in Scientology and I have met a few.
Why does what I actually believe and find to be true not appear on your website, Arnie?
Start by... jeez, VOTING, maybe?! Yes I know it doesn't make MUCH difference, as a vote all by itself, but it does make a difference to you.
And yes, write letters. And what do you think you are doing posting here? Making a fucking difference. The internet itself makes a difference, a difference that is worth protecting.
Politicians have an arrogant illusion of power, re-inforced by isolation in Washington. I personally hold the opinion that by words and actions by individual persons that power can be shifted away gradually - look at grass roots campaigns and the influence a single really good writer can have
And suddenly the powerful politician is standing where there is no power, upon which he follows the "cartoon laws of physics" and does a doubletake before falling to earth...
Violent and bloody is always a mistake - it takes the rest of a generation or two to place something
You do realize that the revolution you are looking for will end/. and most of the internet as well, don't you?
I find all kinds of things about existence interesting, I would wish the same to you
Earlier postings have indicated that the schematics, diagrams and build specs for the device are already available - so what exactly is being "DISCOVERED"?
And, ACTUALLY, Hubbard made a living at writing in the thirties and forties when word rates were 1/2 cent? a penny? Some of what he turned out was quite good, such as "Typewriter in the Sky". If he had stuck with it and evolved his craft (a la Robert Heinlein in the fifties and sixties) he probably could have made quite a good living.
But then this isn't about what is true or real - this is about your personal view of the world, your anger and your prejudices, isn't it?
best, Nick
"...listening to the monotonous staccato of rain on my desktop..."
These opinions are solely mine. I will continue to hold them as mine (you may borrow and feel free to quote though), but I may not bother to express them in the future unless it amuses me.
I know who you are... And you should be afraid, be very afraid...
What drivel. Step away from the keyboard, keep your hands in sight. Go take a walk and talk to people around you, you have obviously been cooped up with your computer as a sole source of companionship for too long. Other people? Those are the organic things that operate keyboards?
best, Nick
"...listening to the monotonous staccato of rain on my desktop..."
These opinions are solely mine. I will continue to hold them as mine (you may borrow and feel free to quote though), but I may not bother to express them in the future unless it amuses me.
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Having done enough/too much Microsoft product support in the past, where the company is no help at all, and you must pay extra for Tech Net if you are to even have a PRAYER of solving obscure problems, I will not buy a product from MSFT that is sold like this. I will not recommend or suggest to any company I work for that they deploy new projects or desktops on MS operating systems. Or with MS products of other kinds that have these kinds of licenses.
What I will do is struggle along with my existing NT 4.0 full CDs. If I must use MSFT, I will certainly not accept it as part of a computer purchase - I'll either get no OS installed or Linux... Once I can run the one or two programs I must run as part of my employment on Linux, bye-bye MSFT.
I also don't see that MSFT's product line is becoming anything but ludicrous - right now they are selling Windows 95, Windows98, NT 4.0 and assorted service packs, Windows 2000, and still and even more unnecessary, Windows ME (no, not me, defintiely not, maybe Win U). Why exactly do wew need another MSFT product??? Exactly how come? I think the model is beginning to break down and become quite funny.
What other manufacturer causes the reaction when something goes wrong with the product of doing anything at all possible to solve the problem BEFORE calling the manufacturer for help in fixing it. My first reaction is I do not want to be told I must install an upgraded service pack (I am quite happy running NT 4.0 SP3 - well, almost happy. Happier with Solaris x86 2.7 and RedHat 6.0, actually, but for a sh*t box windows OS, NT 4.0 isn't nearly as annoying as, say, win95...). I rode out the chaos of Y2K just fine without upgrading the Service Pack, and I keep the box behind a (Linux) firewall anyway, so within my little consultant's network it is just fine as is. But I DON'T call MSFT. It doesn't even occur to me. I call SUN. I call Red Hat. I call Veritas, EMC/CLARiiON.
Maybe this will hasten the death of software from Redmond, one can always hope...
please see www.completeidiot.com
granted that even paranoids have enemies, I would prefer an at least somewhat plausable conspiracy...
"in the really good conspiracies, no one ever finds out..." Jerry Fletcher
The developing scandal had nothing to do with anything but who screwed who in the Oval office. And, really, who cares. We neglected the moral high ground too long as it was in intervening in Kosovo. A better question is why we didn't lift a f*cking finger when Hutus killed Tutsi's (oh, wait a minute - that's Africa and we don't really care what happens in Africa...).
Precision Munitions is mostly Pentagon horseshit. And why would the government bother with that when there are far more subtle ways to kill (plant a bomb, blame it on someone).
The blinding light of truth has left spots before your eyes dude. Get a life.
This isn't new, this is obvious to anyone who bothers to think about it. I would agree that the (false over-)valuation of stocks affects capitalization of R & D and perhaps sucks capital from more grounded, better deserving (less-technological) ideas/companies. HOWEVER -
Those more-grounded companies are also producing products and profits and have sound marketing and business plans BEFORE they decide to go for an IPO or venture capital rounds. They will find capital when they need it. The bubble for tech stocks has already burst and will continue to burst as needed. Like Junk Bonds past this too will pass.
I usually find you intriguing and somewhat ahead in your thinking, but this just strikes me as all-encompassing alarmist crap
The statement Most of the current generation of technology leaders and workers has never really known recession, depression, or even much in the way of serious reversal. - that's patently crap. I'm 40. I watched severe recession in the 70's and the recession of the early 90's. I also remember Howard Ruff insisting that any day the sky would fall, dammit. This is the same horseshit.
Vapor-Companies like petcrap.com and grocery_pitstop.com may be run by 20-somethings, but they are anomalies, not prevalent.
Most of the statements say "IS" when they should say "WAS". Old news, Jon. Not very alarming. Shakeups, even a recession soon, sure, but there is also real value created in this mess, and that will persist and level things out.
"All rise for the Corporate Anthem..."
Wouldn't want any heros to show up and stand for individuality now would we?
I think a valid hope is that corporations will drown in their own bullshit.
The corporate entity I work for has decided that text paging is just so wonderfully convenient they expect me to pay attention to 25 to 30 informational (non-action) pages per day, plus the four or less action pages (pages that deserve attention and require actually doing something...). I turn the alert audible when I am on call and to silent all other times.
When you place enough noise on a communication channel that channel becomes useless. Spam makes e-mail less useful. The ILOVEYOU virus wipes out entire email exchanges by placing an overload of NOISE...
Half the crap I get as corporate communications is entirely useless. I have managers who feel productive in meetings (what the f*ck is that? Meetings are a barely necessary evil to decide what productive things to do later - after the f*cking meeting).
The corporate "culture" I work in is so smugly superior and self-satisfied ("it's not easy, you know, to get hired here at XYZ...") it's enough to make you puke.
But I also hoped that network TV would be forced to improve in quality by cable and satellite - instead there seems to have been the spread of even more bland product...
TV is a vast marketing entity with no art, no soul, and 34 minutes of programming per hour... I grew up with TV, but at that time they were just beginning to perfect advertising and targeting. My kids are so thoroughly targetted they don't even see it.
And the game shows - Marry a Millionaire? What WAS that? Greed! Greater Greed! Stupendous Greed! I am going (I swear) to bring in a "new" idea called "Beat the Reaper" including pitching "Symptom Six" as one of the features. And do these guys just miss completely the satire in "The Running Man" (one of the best tongue-in-cheek Schwartzenegger films). In the background of one of the scenes was a guy climbing a rope trying to grab cash and avoid being eaten by sharks...
I was alarmed at the Pinkerton WAVE concept - the idea of "let's just make the money, if we don't someone else will...". No one actually EVER consults their conscience as to what should be done. Look at George "here-we-go-again" Bush, with the largest fund raising pre-primary pot ever (70 Million? And that was just what showed...) - and he is too un-seeing to even realize that that isn't a good thing (raising tons of corporate $$$$)... And now he is a reformer????
I think you are quite right to raise a warning flag here, Jon. I would hope you do keep this up. Enough ranting, got to go laugh at the MS Exchange admins rebuilding their servers after ILOVEYOU finished 'em... And, Christ /., get some f*cking power in your servers, this is so slow it's pitiful...
"All rise for the Corporate Anthem..."
Wouldn't want any heros to show up and stand for individuality now would we?
I think a valid hope is that corporations will drown in their own bullshit.
The corporate entity I work for has decided that text paging is just so wonderfully convenient they expect me to pay attention to 25 to 30 informational (non-action) pages per day, plus the four or less action pages (pages that deserve attention and require actually doing something...). I turn the alert audible when I am on call and to silent all other times.
When you place enough noise on a communication channel that channel becomes useless. Spam makes e-mail less useful. The ILOVEYOU virus wipes out entire email exchanges by placing an overload of NOISE...
Half the crap I get as corporate communications is entirely useless. I have managers who feel productive in meetings (what the f*ck is that? Meetings are a barely necessary evil to decide what productive things to do later - after the f*cking meeting).
The corporate "culture" I work in is so smugly superior and self-satisfied ("it's not easy, you know, to get hired here at XYZ...") it's enough to make you puke.
But I also hoped that network TV would be forced to improve in quality by cable and satellite - instead there seems to have been the spread of even more bland product...
TV is a vast marketing entity with no art, no soul, and 34 minutes of programming per hour... I grew up with TV, but at that time they were just beginning to perfect advertising and targeting. My kids are so thoroughly targetted they don't even see it.
And the game shows - Marry a Millionaire? What WAS that? Greed! Greater Greed! Stupendous Greed! I am going (I swear) to bring in a "new" idea called "Beat the Reaper" including pitching "Symptom Six" as one of the features. And do these guys just miss completely the satire in "The Running Man" (one of the best tongue-in-cheek Schwartzenegger films). In the background of one of the scenes was a guy climbing a rope trying to grab cash and avoid being eaten by sharks...
I was alarmed at the Pinkerton WAVE concept - the idea of "let's just make the money, if we don't someone else will...". No one actually EVER consults their conscience as to what should be done. Look at George "here-we-go-again" Bush, with the largest fund raising pre-primary pot ever (70 Million? And that was just what showed...) - and he is too un-seeing to even realize that that isn't a good thing (raising tons of corporate $$$$)... And now he is a reformer????
I think you are quite right to raise a warning flag here, Jon. I would hope you do keep this up. Enough ranting, got to go laugh at the MS Exchange admins rebuilding their servers after ILOVEYOU finished 'em...
Try a company with a 32,000 entry global address book, plus countless (certainly can't count em now! !^)) group addresses and at best count (before the servers were taken down) four users who ignored e-mail, signs, and voicemail (maybe working from home...) and opened the attachment...
Within 20 minutes the servers were down, and won't be back up until tomorrow AM
At least the poor saps who are responsible for administering that crap got a catered lunch today so that they can be fed while they work all f*cking night trying to get rid of this...
Thank God I work with UNIX only...
The joke here is you can't really be sure whether the virus actually caused the NT srevers to come down... Or if it was just time for a reboot...
We had (1) a mesage in e-mail warning of the virus, and (2) a voice-mail warning of the virus (actually two messages), and (3) signs taped at all the entrances to the building
We also HAD e-mail, but with a 32,000 entry company global address book, plus group mail addresses, that was quickly taken down when four people opened the attachment anyway...
Thanks, Bill. Love ya man...
"what's all this broo-ha-ha?" "broo-ha-ha? ha-ha-ha..." "ha-ha-ha-ha (cough,cough)"
positive re-enforcement is one of the mainstays of behavioral conditioning (brainwashing for the laymen)
Do you really feel that people are that subject to influence outside themselves? I seem to recall that of the soldiers brutally brainwashed during the Korean war only perhaps one or maybe two did not renounce the statements they had been coerced to make. I think people are far far tougher than you give them credit for.
If the electrical charge does produce a feeling of wellbeing while you are participating in the practice of belief it is much the same as giving a dog a treat whenever it performs a trick correctly.
Yes but there is no such feeling. Go grab a set of cans, and connect a whatever-the-miniscule-charge is to them - probably take a battery, maybe AAA? AA?... Now do you really feel anything? Anything at all? How the hell do you prove a negative anyway?
We humans are just as conditionable as any other creature.
I disagree. See above. People have dreams and hopes that a basic animal existence doesn't allow. That's what makes them people.
After all the militaries of the world are conditioned to lay down their lives for the idologies preached to them since their youth (ours included).
Sometimes this is a good thing. Sometimes it is bad. But this is NOT brainwashing, these are ideals and concepts of honor and truth, the idea that one's society and within that one's family is worth laying down one's life for. I doubt anyone dies for an idea willingly, but a man will die for a dream. I think one of the things that is most admirable in man is that holding of a higher ideal, of the mother rescuing her child, despite that rescue causing her own death, of Galileo having seen what he had seen and observed what he observed, refusing to disown it despite the real threats brought against him.
You lead by placing dreams in front of people and asking them to follow them. Good leaders do anyway. From this taken all the way out you see all of existence as "brainwashing" and I thoroughly disagree.
As far as Anonomous - do you listen at all to the scorn and hate expressed through the threads here? I'll most likely be discarding mail for weeks.
Yes, you are seeing double... Sorry about the double posting, it's this damn Windows crap...
Having a bad day Scientology? Can only yell lies lies lies but never reply to http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/censorship/ Well, kiss my website once more http://www.lermanet.com See the Scientologist with no head http://www.lermanet.com/PhotoLIES.htm Re "yapping" you don't say anything, you just yap like some annoying version of "drop the chalupa" Care to post the project orders you are operating on? Meanwhile, read about your scientologists that broke in the assistant US Attorney Generals office. Oh but I know you "don't do that anymore' Are these postings the tip of a new iceberg of what you do try to accomplish? But you are right about one thing, "borg" is a better description, and Scientology's Religious cloaking device, does work about the same way as the Star Treck's Romulan Cloaking device http://www.lermanet.com/reference/77Granjurypart1. htm Arnie Lerma
Actually I'm having a very good day, Arn. I do not yell, and I do not lie. You are searching under rugs that do not exist, I have no project orders, I just disagree with your opinions. I very much disagree. What you express as fact I know not to be true. I really do.
I believe that people are more than the bodies you see, I believe they are more truly a life force, that they are a soul. I believe that my personal honesty is very important, as is my integrity and honor. More important than my present existence. I believe that soul is basically good (there we have a difference from Catholicism, closer to Buddhist in many ways). I believe that I am a very old soul. I believe that an individual can never be coerced into freedom. I believe that people can become more than they are now, that the crime and evil on this earth can be held back by a society but only solved by individuals. I believe the saner people can become, the better for myself, for my children and for the future of this people here on earth.
I believe many things.
Having a bad day Scientology? Can only yell lies lies lies but never reply to http://www.xenu.net/archive/events/censorship/ Well, kiss my website once more http://www.lermanet.com See the Scientologist with no head http://www.lermanet.com/PhotoLIES.htm Re "yapping" you don't say anything, you just yap like some annoying version of "drop the chalupa" Care to post the project orders you are operating on? Meanwhile, read about your scientologists that broke in the assistant US Attorney Generals office. Oh but I know you "don't do that anymore' Are these postings the tip of a new iceberg of what you do try to accomplish? But you are right about one thing, "borg" is a better description, and Scientology's Religious cloaking device, does work about the same way as the Star Treck's Romulan Cloaking device http://www.lermanet.com/reference/77Granjurypart1. htm Arnie Lerma
Actually I am having a wonderful day despite being on-call (sysadmin in a very large co). I'm really sorry to see the stress is getting to you Arn, seriously.
I believe that people are more than the bodies you see, I believe they are more truly a life force, that they are a soul. I believe that my personal honesty is very important, as is my integrity and honor. More important than my present existence. I believe that soul is basically good (there we have a difference from Catholicism, closer to Buddhist in many ways). I believe that I am a very old soul. I believe that an individual can never be coerced into freedom. I believe that people can become more than they are now, that the crime and evil on this earth can be held back by a society but only solved by individuals. I think that there are assholes everywhere, including in Scientology and I have met a few.
Why does what I actually believe and find to be true not appear on your website, Arnie?
Start by... jeez, VOTING, maybe?! Yes I know it doesn't make MUCH difference, as a vote all by itself, but it does make a difference to you.
And yes, write letters. And what do you think you are doing posting here? Making a fucking difference. The internet itself makes a difference, a difference that is worth protecting.
Politicians have an arrogant illusion of power, re-inforced by isolation in Washington. I personally hold the opinion that by words and actions by individual persons that power can be shifted away gradually - look at grass roots campaigns and the influence a single really good writer can have
And suddenly the powerful politician is standing where there is no power, upon which he follows the "cartoon laws of physics" and does a doubletake before falling to earth...
Violent and bloody is always a mistake - it takes the rest of a generation or two to place something
You do realize that the revolution you are looking for will end /. and most of the internet as well, don't you?
I find all kinds of things about existence interesting, I would wish the same to you
Earlier postings have indicated that the schematics, diagrams and build specs for the device are already available - so what exactly is being "DISCOVERED"?
And, ACTUALLY, Hubbard made a living at writing in the thirties and forties when word rates were 1/2 cent? a penny? Some of what he turned out was quite good, such as "Typewriter in the Sky". If he had stuck with it and evolved his craft (a la Robert Heinlein in the fifties and sixties) he probably could have made quite a good living.
But then this isn't about what is true or real - this is about your personal view of the world, your anger and your prejudices, isn't it?
best,
Nick
"...listening to the monotonous staccato of rain on my desktop..."
These opinions are solely mine.
I will continue to hold them as mine
(you may borrow and feel free to quote though),
but I may not bother to express them in the future
unless it amuses me.
I know who you are...
And you should be afraid, be very afraid...
What drivel . Step away from the keyboard, keep your hands in sight. Go take a walk and talk to people around you, you have obviously been cooped up with your computer as a sole source of companionship for too long. Other people? Those are the organic things that operate keyboards?
best,
Nick
"...listening to the monotonous staccato of rain on my desktop..."
These opinions are solely mine.
I will continue to hold them as mine
(you may borrow and feel free to quote though),
but I may not bother to express them in the future
unless it amuses me.