Some guy on the usenet agreeing with you is not evidence. My evidence is: it's a stupid metaphor. "Carrot" is not metaphorically a reward to anyone but mules and Bugs Bunny. "on a stick" paints a clear picture. "and/or a stick" is muddy. The stick isn't a particularly vivid punishment metaphor, nor is a carrot a memorable reward. Real metaphors tend to be more descriptive than the reality they try to describe. This one is not. Since it uses the same imagery as the "on a stick" metaphor, it follows that someone screwed up the metaphor and it stuck. This whole argument is a great metaphor for management, by the way. Screwing up concepts and treating employees like children or mules. Either way, anyone who uses either one is a moron.
Wow, really? I was going to respond to your first egregious abuse of this metaphor, but you went on and posted this? You must be rather young. (Note the use in the second paragraph of, emphasis mine, "Some claim [...]". Also, look at the illustration.)
It's called malicious compliance. If you insist that employees ignore the good of the business and follow your orders to the letters instead, then watch out, you may eventually break some of them to give you what you ask for, and you won't like it.
Exactly. And, your incompetence will ultimately be called out. (The generic "you" that you referred to, that is.) (Unfortunately, it likely won't be until you've gotten rid of ("broken") several far-more-competent-than-you developers...)
Well, for one, they won't generally want to steal the garments. But I think the real underlying reason? The guard put in charge of the laundry facilities had earlier failed home ec.
The thing that leads to multicar pileups is cars are driving at such a speed and in such proximity that it is actually impossible to stop in time. I think even if the system automatically engaged the brakes (and assuming the guy behind you has the same system).. you'd still get a crash in most cases.
Other response indicated poor visibility is a major factor in pile-ups; I wanted to also add: with self-driving vehicles they would also communicate, and rapidly. So, for those cars which have available space to the right (breakdown lane) or possibly left (shoulder before barrier, on a highway), "every other car" could peel off into that space, giving more space behind for those cars to come to a stop without colliding.
At the end of the year, some of that PTO expires, and for several of my employees -- some of it always does.
Sounds like you have a potential benefits lawsuit. Convince HR to change the system, so that "vacation days that are abandoned" are paid for, at the rate of 2x. Soon, managers will not work their subordinates to death, and will encourage them to take their vacation days in order to reduce costs. Yeah, likely.
I completely agree; "exempt" seems meaningless. And, most employees (I count myself in this group) do not understand the meaning of "exempt" for most of their career. I'm early 40s, and just recently understood it to mean "exempt from the federal laws protecting workers". Once you understand its full meaning, you'll be a lot less happy to be "exempt" and, as you said, not having any subordinates.
Thanks for that; excellent movie, with some awesome camera angles (first movie I saw in which I was interested in the camera angles; Bound is similar in that -- the Wachowski brothers' first film). "Turn to the roight!" [I intended the "o" before the "i"...]
But I'd rather go and actually do something meaningful.
I'm great at automating tasks that humans perform at a computer. However, I'm aligning with you lately; this isn't furthering humanity or the sciences. I'm strongly considering investigating a position at a university where I can work on physics or nanotechnology; and, I would easily do it for half what I'm making now, simply for the job satisfaction. Of course there would need to be some security if I was making less than I am now; otherwise it would be a much more risky move.
Also, don't get me started on what kind of women you would find yourself chasing (as an non-working and bored millionaire). Could be fun, but not in the long run.
Exactly. I spend all my time working; I haven't thought of how many ways I can screw over a man to get at his money. Even though I've been on the receiving end of that several times in my life. I prefer to chase logic, these days...
Interesting, since your UID indicates you're rather new here.
Correlation is not causation. In this case, "when a particular individual signed up for an account" is not the same as "when a particular individual started reading."
Id rather pick battles i have a chance to win. I have a finite amount of energy so why waste it ?
On the other hand: why preserve it, if preserving it means you'll simply be a battery ("copper-top") for the government, because by not fighting they won?
Reintroduce the concept of living under the very laws they passed.
Sorry it's a separate response, but: I wonder if they not only wrote into the law "doesn't apply to sitting politicians"; but perhaps also, wrote into the law, "doesn't apply to past politicians"?
Seems like we'd need a lot more secret service if that were the case...
If SOPA/PIPA passes, I'm outta here; China seems better. (Why I didn't leave after NDAA, I'm really not sure; I still need to amass more fortune, I suppose.)
"Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make proud."
Well, almost everyone feels proud at some point in their lives; and, birth is a death sentence. So, I'd say it's mostly a tautology, and not much of a useful one at that. (Yeah, I know, it's an old sentiment; "pride goeth before the fall", although I kinda liked Faust...)
You haven't figured out how to deal with the executive branch. The executive branch. The executive branch. Okay, I'll leave this as an exercise to the readers.
I wonder if they used other similar words - hexitate for example, if they did more than decimate:)
Hexitate would be doing less than decimate ("one in sixteen", or 6.25% instead of 10%). Octate would be doing more (12.5%). And, octate is similar to what's in your vehicle's engine's fuel, so there's your car analogy.:)
I like it -- I try to find silver linings everywhere. So far it has worked in fairly good stead, with some bumps in the road. Used to be more negative. Getting older is somewhat cool.:)
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Some guy on the usenet agreeing with you is not evidence. My evidence is: it's a stupid metaphor. "Carrot" is not metaphorically a reward to anyone but mules and Bugs Bunny. "on a stick" paints a clear picture. "and/or a stick" is muddy. The stick isn't a particularly vivid punishment metaphor, nor is a carrot a memorable reward. Real metaphors tend to be more descriptive than the reality they try to describe. This one is not. Since it uses the same imagery as the "on a stick" metaphor, it follows that someone screwed up the metaphor and it stuck. This whole argument is a great metaphor for management, by the way. Screwing up concepts and treating employees like children or mules. Either way, anyone who uses either one is a moron.
Wow, really? I was going to respond to your first egregious abuse of this metaphor, but you went on and posted this? You must be rather young. (Note the use in the second paragraph of, emphasis mine, "Some claim [...]". Also, look at the illustration.)
It's called malicious compliance. If you insist that employees ignore the good of the business and follow your orders to the letters instead, then watch out, you may eventually break some of them to give you what you ask for, and you won't like it.
Exactly. And, your incompetence will ultimately be called out. (The generic "you" that you referred to, that is.) (Unfortunately, it likely won't be until you've gotten rid of ("broken") several far-more-competent-than-you developers...)
It seems to me that if your only management tool is badgering, your core problem does not lie with your development team.
Yes, exactly; you need some mushrooms, and the occasional snake, as well.
(I love that one of the comments there is "I love the ending of this song" :P )
Well, for one, they won't generally want to steal the garments. But I think the real underlying reason? The guard put in charge of the laundry facilities had earlier failed home ec.
The thing that leads to multicar pileups is cars are driving at such a speed and in such proximity that it is actually impossible to stop in time. I think even if the system automatically engaged the brakes (and assuming the guy behind you has the same system) .. you'd still get a crash in most cases.
Other response indicated poor visibility is a major factor in pile-ups; I wanted to also add: with self-driving vehicles they would also communicate, and rapidly. So, for those cars which have available space to the right (breakdown lane) or possibly left (shoulder before barrier, on a highway), "every other car" could peel off into that space, giving more space behind for those cars to come to a stop without colliding.
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Hoffa's revenge?
Hi, this is very OT, my signature is responding to yours and hoping to influence it.
At the end of the year, some of that PTO expires, and for several of my employees -- some of it always does.
Sounds like you have a potential benefits lawsuit. Convince HR to change the system, so that "vacation days that are abandoned" are paid for, at the rate of 2x. Soon, managers will not work their subordinates to death, and will encourage them to take their vacation days in order to reduce costs. Yeah, likely.
I completely agree; "exempt" seems meaningless. And, most employees (I count myself in this group) do not understand the meaning of "exempt" for most of their career. I'm early 40s, and just recently understood it to mean "exempt from the federal laws protecting workers". Once you understand its full meaning, you'll be a lot less happy to be "exempt" and, as you said, not having any subordinates.
Thanks for that; excellent movie, with some awesome camera angles (first movie I saw in which I was interested in the camera angles; Bound is similar in that -- the Wachowski brothers' first film). "Turn to the roight!" [I intended the "o" before the "i"...]
But I'd rather go and actually do something meaningful.
I'm great at automating tasks that humans perform at a computer. However, I'm aligning with you lately; this isn't furthering humanity or the sciences. I'm strongly considering investigating a position at a university where I can work on physics or nanotechnology; and, I would easily do it for half what I'm making now, simply for the job satisfaction. Of course there would need to be some security if I was making less than I am now; otherwise it would be a much more risky move.
I do not expect to get laid off with zero notice.
Current HR mantra is "when terminating employees, do not give them any chance to access our systems and break shit."
Also, don't get me started on what kind of women you would find yourself chasing (as an non-working and bored millionaire). Could be fun, but not in the long run.
Exactly. I spend all my time working; I haven't thought of how many ways I can screw over a man to get at his money. Even though I've been on the receiving end of that several times in my life. I prefer to chase logic, these days...
I sit corrected.
I'm not interested in continuing the speculation game. I was interested in stopping it based on faulty reasoning. You may proceed.
Interesting, since your UID indicates you're rather new here.
Correlation is not causation. In this case, "when a particular individual signed up for an account" is not the same as "when a particular individual started reading."
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Id rather pick battles i have a chance to win. I have a finite amount of energy so why waste it ?
On the other hand: why preserve it, if preserving it means you'll simply be a battery ("copper-top") for the government, because by not fighting they won?
Reintroduce the concept of living under the very laws they passed.
Sorry it's a separate response, but: I wonder if they not only wrote into the law "doesn't apply to sitting politicians"; but perhaps also, wrote into the law, "doesn't apply to past politicians"?
Seems like we'd need a lot more secret service if that were the case...
If SOPA/PIPA passes, I'm outta here; China seems better. (Why I didn't leave after NDAA, I'm really not sure; I still need to amass more fortune, I suppose.)
"Those whom the gods would destroy, they first make proud."
Well, almost everyone feels proud at some point in their lives; and, birth is a death sentence. So, I'd say it's mostly a tautology, and not much of a useful one at that. (Yeah, I know, it's an old sentiment; "pride goeth before the fall", although I kinda liked Faust...)
You haven't figured out how to deal with the executive branch. The executive branch. The executive branch. Okay, I'll leave this as an exercise to the readers.
I wonder if they used other similar words - hexitate for example, if they did more than decimate :)
Hexitate would be doing less than decimate ("one in sixteen", or 6.25% instead of 10%). Octate would be doing more (12.5%). And, octate is similar to what's in your vehicle's engine's fuel, so there's your car analogy. :)
Agreed.
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For some reason, my brain said "Ron Paulitics". Thanks! :)
I like it -- I try to find silver linings everywhere. So far it has worked in fairly good stead, with some bumps in the road. Used to be more negative. Getting older is somewhat cool. :)