Interesting - in Canada we have a similar system in place (SOCAN fee). I believe that there is no opt out here for any public place, but now, since I see it is not entirely what the hard PRS rules are, I wonder if our SOCAN "law" is similarly worded to cause confusion?
SOCAN fees - because Celine Dion should get payed when you play someone else's music at the pub!
I'm thinking since the RIAA are very effective at using soundbites to oversimplify their case (don't you want to stop pirates from ripping off the poor artists?), it's fair game to use the same tactic to get this subject in front of the public at large..
The ACTA is a good case in point, how can the public keep informed when pretty much everything about it is protected from freedom of information laws by claiming national security interests. Call me cynical but I'll bet whatever is decided will be implemented in a slam dunk without any serious public debate.
The only information I can find is on wikileaks, therefore I'm uninformed as to who the players are, and what the agenda is.
Seems like a similar reaction Canada's minister (Jim Prentiss) had last year when he tried to pass a bunch of RIAA sanctioned copyright laws - He seemed surprised that anyone cared about the issue.
This news from New Zealand is extremely good news, (at least for now - they may sneak it back in piecemeal when the furor dies down),
At least some politicians can be made to feel the heat and go against the wishes of very high paid lobbyists.
Seems like one big problem, is that the mainstream media benefit by deals like the ACTA nonsense (national security my ass!) so will not dare print anything negative about it.
Very difficult in the current economic crisis to get any attention span.
Since politicians like soundbites, how about an internet headlines campaign:
"Obama appointees help RIAA sue Teenagers" or
"Government uses national security claim to protect the recording industry"
You won't find the traditional media (Broadcast, Newspapers) talking about this, especially when they cloak the information in the "National Security" disguise?
Someone with serious money and power needs to take a strong legal challenge to this, enough to attract the attention of the general population. This during a time of economic meltdown, and middle east wars..
It always seems people confuse equal rights/opportunity with plain vanilla "equal". People are NOT created equal. Even identical twins are not 100% equal.
IE: I will never be an Olympic class swimmer, but it's not discrimination if the team doesn't sign me up.
Or, we need an actress to play the part of Marylin Monroe in a new play, sorry guys, don't apply..
I'll say, prohibition is well known for turning a bunch of low end punks into an incredibly rich and powerful mafia.
This is happening again - look at the violence in Mexico, and in my home town of Vancouver in the last few weeks.
Pot is a bad health risk (worse than cigarettes, there's no filter tipped joints cutting down on the crap you breath in) but, it seems like its seriously time to legalize and tax the hell out of it, perhaps directing the revenue to education and health care..
And from what I've been hearing lately, totally shorted out by lobbyists in DC who throw millions of dollars around for rich corporate interests. On Bill Moyer's podcast a few weeks ago the guests mentioned that a DC lobbyist can make a personal salary of literally 60 million bucks. Imagine how much cash such a person has to offer to politicians.
That kind of cash tends to short out any form of government.
It would only work if the entire voters list were populated with well informed thoughtful people, untainted by media megacorp propaganda.
The US constitution seems to me a good check and balance on the tyranny of a somtimes ignorant majority, or even more so on the tyranny of an outspoken and wealthy minority like the Mormon church.
And it's amazing how many posters feel that an ascii text file is solid evidence. Photographs are pretty much out as evidence these days thanks to photoshop. Why the hell should a.txt file be considered any better?
With a three strikes law in place, it's more likely to follow the current US DMCA practice - if the receiver of a DMCA takedown notice doesn't respond to the notice, and it proves out to be a valid complaint, then said receiver is also liable in a lawsuit.
An ISP will likely toss you to the wolves than to risk getting sued for ignoring the three strikes. (Until they are down to some low percentage of customers I'd imaging, but by then its too late, the frog has been boiling already).
Having never heard of it before the movie, here is a non fanboy view: By the end I kind of liked it, but damn the first half was DOG SLOW!! IMHO this is going to flop. Example - Scene cut to stone statue...... Extremely slow pan back to show it's part of a grave monument...... (typing the dots very slow here) Extreme slow pan back to show you many grave stones....gee I wonder if they are in a Cemetery.... Extreme slow pan back to show you the sign over the drive in gate that says.. wait for it... Cemetery!! Wow, I never would have guessed.. Good time for a pee break, this scene is going to take a while...
The second half picked up speed, and got better, and I finally got into it, but oh man, with the soundbite twitter generation at large I think this movie is going to crash and burn...
Yep, or VoIp, Or game data traffic over torrent data.
My own cheesy home NAS router pretty much chokes if I torrent something, and no other IP services like web browsing, or real time network game data gets any real bandwidth, even if I set my torrent client to limit connections and speed. (Yes, it's an artifact of a poor quality NAS router).
I would like to be able to set my router to de-prioritize torrents, but perhaps the guy next door would prefer it the other way..
The trouble is these ISP's use doublespeak and cash to hide the real intent which is to stop any competing services from running on their networks.
Seems to me the only place that traffic shaping is beneficial is in my own connection to the net. IE If I pay for 500kb/sec internet, I chose what data to fill my pipe with, not someone else.
If there were decent competition at the infrastructure level, I don't think there would be much of a debate, but these ISP's are operating in a classic conflict of interest..
And yet, like others have said, controlling network traffic for quality of service (realtime apps vs non real time) reasons is not bad, and it would be silly to make that illegal.
But, try explaining to a politician IP QOS issues vs anticompetitive filtering (IE blocking Skype to promote expensive long distance phone services), especially when high paid lobbyists are throwing cash around with their messages..
Over the air - if it wasn't being broadcast from a central tower, then you can carve that bandwidth up into smaller cells and make more efficient use of it. Thus explaining the big price that the US auctioned the analog tv broadcast channels for.
A similar argument can be made for digital cable TV distribution. If a digital cable TV system uses IP protocol then the cable box can tell the server to only send the TV show you selected on the "tuner", instead of broadcasting all channels to your local subnet, freeing up bandwidth.
Sort of a moot argument when we hear there is dark fiber all over the place that data providers don't want to turn on, else it erodes the big prices they charge for data in North America.
With a multisegmented network like the internet, a mesh peer to peer system like bittorrent is likely the most efficient use. Assuming the torrent seed "fetcher" knows the network infrastructure and prefers "closer" sources over remote. I don't know if bittorrent does this or not.
The advantage of broadcast and multicast is that all recipients receive data at the same time in real time.
If one argues that TV viewing should still be done in real time, (IE everyone sit down and watch American Idol at 8 pm) then I would agree..
An open standard using a torrent like system would allow a hybrid between broadcast and full video on demand.
Right now while my TV is turned off my cable company is broadcasting several digital HD channels at my house, and I don't even have a digital converter box yet. Total waste of bandwidth to broadcast all this data at people who aren't even watching that channel.
How peer to peer could work:
Show creators release this week's episodes as an open standard binary with tags in for downstream commercial addition, (or not for pay per view).
All licensed digital providers (ISP, Cable, Telco) then pick up the torrent seed from the source and fetch it to their local hard drives.
I pay a (REASONABLE) fee for the show, more for commercial free, and my home media adaptor (PS3, XBOX360, Linux box, AppleTV whatever) torrents it from my local provider to my place on to my drive for me to watch.
Yes, you could then implement QOS to allow streaming services like telephones etc to operate while my media box torrents in my selected content.
No I don't want a closed box Motorola PVR, they are crud, too buggy, and I have no control over feature removal at the whim of megacorp incorporated. This should be open so there is competition, so the quality of the whole thing is reasonable.
Make it easy and cheap enough and you won't have to worry about DRM screwing up the paying customers (and not preventing pirates) See: Nine Inch Nails free music giveaway scheme for evidence.
Miro plus Torrents plus RSS almost offers this now, but is piracy (someone's got to pay the media providers!!) and too technogeeky for Grandma.
No, you giant media conglomerates don't get to push us back on the couch to watch broadcast. You lost. Get out of the way. There's a good reason people spend more time on the web than TV in the western world.
Yabut - the US DMCA has been shown to be abused - Isn't it the case that just about anyone can lodge a false DMCA complaint against content at say Youtube, and they will pull it down without investigation? They dare not leave it up after receiving a DMCA take down because they would then be liable for damages at that point? Unless the victim has a big pile of cash for lawyers, said victim has no freedom of speech..
Nah, you're describing Maxwell's Daemon in a slightly new way, but Maxwell's Daemon it is.
There is NO WAY TO BEAT the laws of thermodynamics. It's as solid as the laws of gravity and has been proven over and over and over and.... If you don't believe in thermodynamics, then this is a moot argument.
All the energy in the system comes from the gas tank. If you draw more energy out, it will come from the gas tank.
If you say that then I'm sorry you really don't understand back emf. It will resist the movement of the shocks.
Put a hand crank on a spare car alternator. Turn the crank with the output open circuit, then short the alternator output, and try again. It will fight back when you try to crank it.
No energy for free. The laws of thermodynamics insist on it.
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Interesting - in Canada we have a similar system in place (SOCAN fee). I believe that there is no opt out here for any public place, but now, since I see it is not entirely what the hard PRS rules are, I wonder if our SOCAN "law" is similarly worded to cause confusion?
SOCAN fees - because Celine Dion should get payed when you play someone else's music at the pub!
Point(s) well taken!
I'm thinking since the RIAA are very effective at using soundbites to oversimplify their case (don't you want to stop pirates from ripping off the poor artists?),
it's fair game to use the same tactic to get this subject in front of the public at large..
The ACTA is a good case in point, how can the public keep informed when pretty much everything about it is protected from freedom of information laws by claiming national security interests.
Call me cynical but I'll bet whatever is decided will be implemented in a slam dunk without any serious public debate.
The only information I can find is on wikileaks,
therefore I'm uninformed as to who the players are, and what the agenda is.
Seems like a similar reaction Canada's minister (Jim Prentiss) had last year when he tried to pass a bunch of RIAA sanctioned copyright laws - He seemed surprised that anyone cared about the issue.
This news from New Zealand is extremely good news, (at least for now - they may sneak it back in piecemeal when the furor dies down),
At least some politicians can be made to feel the heat and go against the wishes of very high paid lobbyists.
Seems like one big problem, is that the mainstream media benefit by deals like the ACTA nonsense (national security my ass!) so will not dare print anything negative about it.
Very difficult in the current economic crisis to get any attention span.
Since politicians like soundbites, how about an internet headlines campaign:
"Obama appointees help RIAA sue Teenagers" or
"Government uses national security claim to protect the recording industry"
Try it yourself!
And of course those who don't sign up will not get any of the flat tax they charge the universities, or ISP's or any other target of these clowns.
It seems even most signed artists have such a lousy contract that they won't likely see any of this potential cash either.
But what on earth can be done?
You won't find the traditional media (Broadcast, Newspapers) talking about this, especially when they cloak the information in the "National Security" disguise?
Someone with serious money and power needs to take a strong legal challenge to this, enough to attract the attention of the general population. This during a time of economic meltdown, and middle east wars..
well said, I had the same conclusion (that they weren't necessarily on opposite sides of the debate)..
Danger Will Robinson:
It always seems people confuse equal rights/opportunity with plain vanilla "equal".
People are NOT created equal. Even identical twins are not 100% equal.
IE:
I will never be an Olympic class swimmer, but it's not discrimination if the team doesn't sign me up.
Or, we need an actress to play the part of Marylin Monroe in a new play, sorry guys, don't apply..
etc..
I'll say, prohibition is well known for turning a bunch of low end punks into an incredibly rich and powerful mafia.
This is happening again - look at the violence in Mexico, and in my home town of Vancouver in the last few weeks.
Pot is a bad health risk (worse than cigarettes, there's no filter tipped joints cutting down on the crap you breath in) but, it seems like its seriously time to legalize and tax the hell out of it, perhaps directing the revenue to education and health care..
And from what I've been hearing lately, totally shorted out by lobbyists in DC who throw millions of dollars around for rich corporate interests.
On Bill Moyer's podcast a few weeks ago the guests mentioned that a DC lobbyist can make a personal salary of literally 60 million bucks. Imagine how much cash such a person has to offer to politicians.
That kind of cash tends to short out any form of government.
It would only work if the entire voters list were populated with well informed thoughtful people, untainted by media megacorp propaganda.
The US constitution seems to me a good check and balance on the tyranny of a somtimes ignorant majority, or even more so on the tyranny of an outspoken and wealthy minority like the Mormon church.
I'll say!
"The Obamas" only just started their new season and Fox is pissing all over it!!
And it's amazing how many posters feel that an ascii text file is solid evidence. .txt file be considered any better?
Photographs are pretty much out as evidence these days thanks to photoshop. Why the hell should a
With a three strikes law in place, it's more likely to follow the current US DMCA practice - if the receiver of a DMCA takedown notice doesn't respond to the notice, and it proves out to be a valid complaint, then said receiver is also liable in a lawsuit.
An ISP will likely toss you to the wolves than to risk getting sued for ignoring the three strikes.
(Until they are down to some low percentage of customers I'd imaging, but by then its too late, the frog has been boiling already).
Yep, we all know text files can't be faked or doctored.
How on earth is this post rated Flamebait???
Slashdot could be so much better..
The real question - if you magically eliminated this type of piracy, how many more sales of DVD's and theatre tickets would you expect to see?
I'd guess zero.
IE someone happy enough to actually watch a theatre rip of a movie is never likely to pay to see a decent quality format.
Having never heard of it before the movie, here is a non fanboy view: ...... (typing the dots very slow here)
By the end I kind of liked it, but damn the first half was DOG SLOW!!
IMHO this is going to flop.
Example -
Scene cut to stone statue......
Extremely slow pan back to show it's part of a grave monument
Extreme slow pan back to show you many grave stones....gee I wonder if they are in a Cemetery.... Extreme slow pan back to show you the sign over the drive in gate that says.. wait for it... Cemetery!! Wow, I never would have guessed.. Good time for a pee break, this scene is going to take a while...
The second half picked up speed, and got better,
and I finally got into it, but oh man, with the soundbite twitter generation at large I think this movie is going to crash and burn...
Glad to hear a fan of the comic likes it though..
Yep, or VoIp,
Or game data traffic over torrent data.
My own cheesy home NAS router pretty much chokes if I torrent something, and no other IP services like web browsing, or real time network game data gets any real bandwidth, even if I set my torrent client to limit connections and speed.
(Yes, it's an artifact of a poor quality NAS router).
I would like to be able to set my router to de-prioritize torrents, but perhaps the guy next door would prefer it the other way..
The trouble is these ISP's use doublespeak and cash to hide the real intent which is to stop any competing services from running on their networks.
Seems to me the only place that traffic shaping is beneficial is in my own connection to the net. IE If I pay for 500kb/sec internet, I chose what data to fill my pipe with, not someone else.
If there were decent competition at the infrastructure level, I don't think there would be much of a debate, but these ISP's are operating in a classic conflict of interest..
And yet, like others have said, controlling network traffic for quality of service (realtime apps vs non real time) reasons is not bad, and it would be silly to make that illegal.
But, try explaining to a politician IP QOS issues vs anticompetitive filtering (IE blocking Skype to promote expensive long distance phone services),
especially when high paid lobbyists are throwing cash around with their messages..
Over the air - if it wasn't being broadcast from a central tower, then you can carve that bandwidth up into smaller cells and make more efficient use of it. Thus explaining the big price that the US auctioned the analog tv broadcast channels for.
A similar argument can be made for digital cable TV distribution. If a digital cable TV system uses IP protocol then the cable box can tell the server to only send the TV show you selected on the "tuner", instead of broadcasting all channels to your local subnet, freeing up bandwidth.
Sort of a moot argument when we hear there is dark fiber all over the place that data providers don't want to turn on, else it erodes the big prices they charge for data in North America.
With a multisegmented network like the internet, a mesh peer to peer system like bittorrent is likely the most efficient use. Assuming the torrent seed "fetcher" knows the network infrastructure and prefers "closer" sources over remote. I don't know if bittorrent does this or not.
The advantage of broadcast and multicast is that all recipients receive data at the same time in real time.
If one argues that TV viewing should still be done in real time, (IE everyone sit down and watch American Idol at 8 pm) then I would agree..
An open standard using a torrent like system would allow a hybrid between broadcast and full video on demand.
Right now while my TV is turned off my cable company is broadcasting several digital HD channels at my house, and I don't even have a digital converter box yet. Total waste of bandwidth to broadcast all this data at people who aren't even watching that channel.
How peer to peer could work:
Show creators release this week's episodes as an open standard binary with tags in for downstream commercial addition, (or not for pay per view).
All licensed digital providers (ISP, Cable, Telco) then pick up the torrent seed from the source and fetch it to their local hard drives.
I pay a (REASONABLE) fee for the show, more for commercial free, and my home media adaptor (PS3, XBOX360, Linux box, AppleTV whatever) torrents it from my local provider to my place on to my drive for me to watch.
Yes, you could then implement QOS to allow streaming services like telephones etc to operate while my media box torrents in my selected content.
No I don't want a closed box Motorola PVR, they are crud, too buggy, and I have no control over feature removal at the whim of megacorp incorporated.
This should be open so there is competition, so the quality of the whole thing is reasonable.
Make it easy and cheap enough and you won't have to worry about DRM screwing up the paying customers (and not preventing pirates) See: Nine Inch Nails free music giveaway scheme for evidence.
Miro plus Torrents plus RSS almost offers this now, but is piracy (someone's got to pay the media providers!!) and too technogeeky for Grandma.
No, you giant media conglomerates don't get to push us back on the couch to watch broadcast. You lost. Get out of the way. There's a good reason people spend more time on the web than TV in the western world.
Yabut - the US DMCA has been shown to be abused - Isn't it the case that just about anyone can lodge a false DMCA complaint against content at say Youtube, and they will pull it down without investigation? They dare not leave it up after receiving a DMCA take down because they would then be liable for damages at that point?
Unless the victim has a big pile of cash for lawyers, said victim has no freedom of speech..
Nah, you're describing Maxwell's Daemon in a slightly new way, but Maxwell's Daemon it is.
There is NO WAY TO BEAT the laws of thermodynamics. ....
It's as solid as the laws of gravity and has been proven over and over and over and
If you don't believe in thermodynamics, then this is a moot argument.
All the energy in the system comes from the gas tank. If you draw more energy out, it will come from the gas tank.
If you say that then I'm sorry you really don't understand back emf. It will resist the movement of the shocks.
Put a hand crank on a spare car alternator.
Turn the crank with the output open circuit, then short the alternator output, and try again. It will fight back when you try to crank it.
No energy for free. The laws of thermodynamics insist on it.