Wow...Earlier tonight I was able to wget both CD's with light speed...An hour install...A post on/. and now I can't even get apt-get update to respond....
BTW -- I tried libranet yesterday and this today....I must say Libranet 1.8.2 looks snazzy...so far I am kind off worried about this (progeny)...but I am by no means passing judgement after only a couple hours of poking around...
this message was posted with the Ancient mozilla included with this new distro....Why is it so hip to be so far behind on packages?
Please take me back to the basement and the garages. It's cold out here in the real world.
Hint to the people that still insist that money must be made -- hit up the corporations for in house customization of free software. Every day some unknowing CTO writes a check for an $80,000 firewall. Or how about those $60,000 proxy servers that are being deployed. Bill says would you like fries with that mail server??? (Now that big blue says linux is OK -- Fortune 500's can be swayed.....errr....how many Netware licenses are up to be renewed next month alone....
Good point. But I still think their is a future in mixing a product or two in with the content. Based on these sorry sites bandwidth bills it sounds like the "...And they will come" part is being taken care of. (I always assumed the biggest problems would be more from the "We built it and they did not come" side.)
The problem seems to be that once the people visit these sites the companies are expecting to make money from their visitors buying some other companies products (banner ads)....I think the key would be actually having a product of their own...or a parternship that would be an equal benefit. (Mugs, T-Shirts, Pencils, Mouse Pads....) If I am watching TV and I see a Nike commercial -- Nike knows that I am not going to get up in the middle of Dark Angel and go to the mall and purchase a new pair of Nike's....
They have to be satisfied with the fact that when I am in a position to be buying a new pair of shoes, that their ads may have left a lasting impression in my head that would lead to me purchasing their brand of shoes....What more can they ask for.....
If anyone thinks that people that are reading tech articles are going to halt in the middle of reading CPU speed comparison articles to click on a link to buy a Power Drill or Vaccumm Cleaner -- then they are all high.
This makes me sad and sick. Linuxworld was one of the few sites that had Contributing Authors who held some name recognition and clout in my eyes. (Nick & Joe). I had been reading their stuff in the print mags that end up in my in-box at work for the last few years --- and I had followed them and was very anxious to see every new article authored by them at Linuxworld.
The bigger picture I guess would be what happens to sites like/. who depend on other site like Linuxworld for original content to rant about on a daily basis. (Well I guess we would still have "Ask Slashdot", Jon Katz, and Geeks In Space.....to make slashdot visitable:) But it seems the whole crux of sites like this depend on Original Content being.....errr...originated elseware. And these sites that have a "paid" staff are dropping like flies.
I don't mind paying for services. Just not the "bait and switch" type...You don't give away a service for years and then expect payment. If you want to make cash -- charge up front. I think most people would agree. -- Again my disclaimer on various people whining about these "poor" websites and the bandwidth charges -- if you have enough customers to flood your bandwidth yet you cannot find a way to make money...then boo hoo on you -- sell mugs and t-shirts if you have to. (hell - I used to be sick of all the bumbs asking for quarters on my way to work -- now it's the dot coms doing the begging.....)
to be at the top of the hill (or king of the hill)? At this point the whole world wants nothing more than to watch you fall to a dramatic death at the feet of the next big thing. (Look at Micro$oft) Linux will thrive with every line of code that Joe Six Pack types in for fun and releases for free. Linux does not need to be in the corporate board rooms or wall street to survive, the basements and garages are just fine. My mom and neighbor do not need to be able to install and use Linux for it to survive. I do not have to be able to buy shrink wrapped copies of Word Perfect & Photosuite 2000SE for Linux to survive...(I paid thousands of dollars for software in a previous life already that is sitting on my shelf as a grim reminder that $499 office suites and $199 point release bugfixes...errr....upgrades are nothing more than paperweights mere moments after clicking setup.exe -- and since I am not an author I have no way to recoup be expenditures...) and hope to never need anything more complex than vim or gimp in the near future (As you can see - I am neither an author or artist so if I spend 1 penny or 1000 dollars on software I would never make any of that back to justify the expense.)
Linux will survive the same way it came into existense...Be the user base 100 thousand or 100 million...it does not matter.
I may sound like a broken record...But alas, I go back to the same old song --- "No Product, No Success" --- I have seen many a neighbor, family member, or work mate bask in the green shadow of being "in" on the almighty Yahoo stock dollar --- all along I was saying --- "No Product, No Success" --- In the end the greedy have gained and then will lose a fortune they never laid their eyes upon --- and the ones who cash in will find another productless beast to bestow their funds upon. I for one am quite happy with google (and the only type of add I deam appropriate -- the freindly text based hyperlink -- not those god awful flashy.gif's from hell that will someday lead to the true source of migranes)...and have yet to see a reason why VC's would not demand a product that one could hold in his hand before plopping down the millions. If walmart.com has a bad month do you think they will be selling the farm....no....because the parking lots at the regular old fasioned walmart.store.down.the.street are always full....
And my last rant -- I am sick of hearing about the poor dot coms and content providers drowning in a see of bandwidth bills and no revenue....I pay my bandwidth bill every month with the income from my day job thank you....And if you are getting enough visitors to make the T3's choke -- yet you can't find a way to make money....I would suggest maybe you start selling tshirts, caps and pencils or something rather than trying to make money from banner ads from another company with no product trying to make money from banner ads in cahoots with even a bigger company....That all equals the worlds least successful triangle scheme from where I am standing.
Yes I know I need to "get a life" -- but after having a cable modem for 2 years....(and considering I make my living doing computer related tasks)....I would rank broadband up their with electricity, running water, and Color TV..as things that if not available in my current location would warrant a move to a location that would provide these things..
Yea -- Its not a smart thing to cut off the whole original fan base AND at the same time try to compete in todays market. From what I hear -- the "new" players claim to not even have seen Richard's trailer....What a farse...
Yeah it's funny how all the good shows die young...Even in todays world you see great shows get thrown by the wayside like dirty trash. Thank goodness for SCI-FI, USA, and other varied networks that at least have a little respect for the greatness of these shows.
I have been waiting many years for this. However, given the shear love and respect that Richard Hatch has for the original BG -- (and the fact that Galactica 1980 fell flat because it left out most originals) he should now be the Commander. You could also get away with Dirk (Starbuck) and Herbert (Boomer) in Col Tigh type roles...I mean if you look at how good BG was for the time...imagine the possibilities...And hell, even a bad SCI-FI series would be better than the rest of the drivel out their today.
I have never much cared for KDE...(Mainly for my own stupid reasons of the WM portion not being custumizable enough ALA Sawmill or E)...However that being said, I played with 2.1beta the other day and I have to say that it pretty much knocked my socks off performance wise, stability wise, and it "felt" really good....Alas I went back to my Sawmill/Gnome Panel config shortly after -- I just think that some of these cool theme combos (GTK & Sawmill) that have been coming out lately are just DA Bomb...Plus I do not particularly care to launch a bunch of background processes like KDE does....
pack err up...We are headed back to the garages and basements...Linux and the financial world dont seem to to be able to cut a deal....Hell - Linus and the boys were never looking to make a buck, and the Kernel seems to be progressing just fine...I dont think the Gimp folks were counting their stock shares when they first typed "vi gimp.c" --- yall go back to your day jobs working on boring corporate WinHacks and save that creative stuff for the evenings and weekends...And the rest of us will be waiting with a cold beer and a few kudos when you visit our LUGS.
The author of "php_do_something_or_another v0.01ALPHA-CVS02012001" (a great program to be able to view the output of "ls -l/tmp" through your web browser of choice) has decided to layoff 50% of the development staff and the WHOLE support desk. Our sources have disgruntled employees quoted as saying -- "We never had a chance -- I am going to cut my losses and go back to programming crippleware id3 tag strippers for Windows -- their is just no money to be made in the world of free software"
Moral of the story: I am sick of seeing all these "riches to rags" melodramas play themselves out in front of our eyes....Hell, Patrick and the Slackware folks were happy when only a handful of people were paying for his books that included the Slackware CD's....and that was years ago....Why all the sudden urge for these Distributions to make a boatload of cash???? I will be going back to Slackware now thank-you --- (I want to be ensured I will be using a distribution that wont "go out of business" at the drop of a hat when they realize that Linux is better off in the basement with low overhead....)
I liked things better when everything was on the fringe and underground anyway. So what if a few companies have gone belly up trying to hawk $100 copies of Debian....(Debian was meant to be free and will always be free -- so Corel & Stormix can cry in their beer all they want....)...I am sure those people trying to sell icecubes to Eskimos can swap war stories with the "failed" linux companies....
I would call this progress. Microsoft went from saying that Linux is no good because it does not scale or perform at the right level TO their current stance of "How can it be good if nobody is making truckloads of cash on it"...I still think they miss the whole point of OPEN and FREE..Sure I would be the first to say that if I were looking to make a boatload of cash -- maybe standing on the street corner and peddling $99 copies of Debian may not be such a good business plan -- but that does not say that if I am a company looking to migrate my business to the web or the embedded market -- that I would be willing to trust my corporate "hooks" to a closed source.dll that may have bugs that I am dependent on someone else fixing. I would rather trust my business to an arena where I had control over the source.
Man -- I have seen a few posts talking about how the new FM renders in IE5....Is it just me -- or is this kind of like a Vegaterian walking into a steak house and complaining how the meat just does not taste right...Or (part of me hopes) that maybe IE5 has been released on *nix and I just have not heard. I mean if you are running IE5 maybe Winfiles would be the place to hang out.
No flames meant to FM -- but this post does make some valid issues.
Why the wasted space on the left?? (I know that I often start off with a "3 paned design" and spend a good deal of time deciding what to do with the 2 "slim" panes...)
Say hello to CSS and goodbye to cross platform consistency. Give this man a cigar. I guess I will have to throw in a few more sticks of RAM and that extra PIII 900 I have over in the corner and give Mozilla another go....(After all it is the most standards complient (C) browser around is it not?)
Man -- I thought it was tough keeping up with the Stock Market...Now I have to keep track of what game systems to buy minutes before they go belly up. (* yes I was one of those poor kids that got the Atari 2600 AFTER it hit the clearance racks and swap meets....My parents finally decided it was affordable...)
I believe in the pureness of the fact that the only distributions to "survive and thrive" will be the ones that saw 1's and 0's in the early days -- rather than $$ dollar $$ signs of late.
Long live Debian & Slackware...Oh yea -- and long live REAL rock & roll...
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Wow...Earlier tonight I was able to wget both CD's with light speed...An hour install...A post on /. and now I can't even get apt-get update to respond....
BTW -- I tried libranet yesterday and this today....I must say Libranet 1.8.2 looks snazzy...so far I am kind off worried about this (progeny)...but I am by no means passing judgement after only a couple hours of poking around...
this message was posted with the Ancient mozilla included with this new distro....Why is it so hip to be so far behind on packages?
Please take me back to the basement and the garages. It's cold out here in the real world.
Hint to the people that still insist that money must be made -- hit up the corporations for in house customization of free software. Every day some unknowing CTO writes a check for an $80,000 firewall. Or how about those $60,000 proxy servers that are being deployed. Bill says would you like fries with that mail server??? (Now that big blue says linux is OK -- Fortune 500's can be swayed.....errr....how many Netware licenses are up to be renewed next month alone....
Good point. But I still think their is a future in mixing a product or two in with the content. Based on these sorry sites bandwidth bills it sounds like the "...And they will come" part is being taken care of. (I always assumed the biggest problems would be more from the "We built it and they did not come" side.)
The problem seems to be that once the people visit these sites the companies are expecting to make money from their visitors buying some other companies products (banner ads)....I think the key would be actually having a product of their own...or a parternship that would be an equal benefit. (Mugs, T-Shirts, Pencils, Mouse Pads....) If I am watching TV and I see a Nike commercial -- Nike knows that I am not going to get up in the middle of Dark Angel and go to the mall and purchase a new pair of Nike's....
They have to be satisfied with the fact that when I am in a position to be buying a new pair of shoes, that their ads may have left a lasting impression in my head that would lead to me purchasing their brand of shoes....What more can they ask for.....
If anyone thinks that people that are reading tech articles are going to halt in the middle of reading CPU speed comparison articles to click on a link to buy a Power Drill or Vaccumm Cleaner -- then they are all high.
This makes me sad and sick. Linuxworld was one of the few sites that had Contributing Authors who held some name recognition and clout in my eyes. (Nick & Joe). I had been reading their stuff in the print mags that end up in my in-box at work for the last few years --- and I had followed them and was very anxious to see every new article authored by them at Linuxworld.
The bigger picture I guess would be what happens to sites like
What advantage do I get from a portal that:
google + bookmarks = "my portal"
does not give me. Hell even the best portals I have seen are more like:
(search engine + links + weather + SLOW web based email)* banner ads = "some dot com going bust"
I don't mind paying for services. Just not the "bait and switch" type...You don't give away a service for years and then expect payment. If you want to make cash -- charge up front. I think most people would agree. -- Again my disclaimer on various people whining about these "poor" websites and the bandwidth charges -- if you have enough customers to flood your bandwidth yet you cannot find a way to make money...then boo hoo on you -- sell mugs and t-shirts if you have to. (hell - I used to be sick of all the bumbs asking for quarters on my way to work -- now it's the dot coms doing the begging.....)
to be at the top of the hill (or king of the hill)? At this point the whole world wants nothing more than to watch you fall to a dramatic death at the feet of the next big thing. (Look at Micro$oft) Linux will thrive with every line of code that Joe Six Pack types in for fun and releases for free. Linux does not need to be in the corporate board rooms or wall street to survive, the basements and garages are just fine. My mom and neighbor do not need to be able to install and use Linux for it to survive. I do not have to be able to buy shrink wrapped copies of Word Perfect & Photosuite 2000SE for Linux to survive...(I paid thousands of dollars for software in a previous life already that is sitting on my shelf as a grim reminder that $499 office suites and $199 point release bugfixes...errr....upgrades are nothing more than paperweights mere moments after clicking setup.exe -- and since I am not an author I have no way to recoup be expenditures...) and hope to never need anything more complex than vim or gimp in the near future (As you can see - I am neither an author or artist so if I spend 1 penny or 1000 dollars on software I would never make any of that back to justify the expense.)
Linux will survive the same way it came into existense...Be the user base 100 thousand or 100 million...it does not matter.
I may sound like a broken record...But alas, I go back to the same old song --- "No Product, No Success" --- I have seen many a neighbor, family member, or work mate bask in the green shadow of being "in" on the almighty Yahoo stock dollar --- all along I was saying --- "No Product, No Success" --- In the end the greedy have gained and then will lose a fortune they never laid their eyes upon --- and the ones who cash in will find another productless beast to bestow their funds upon. I for one am quite happy with google (and the only type of add I deam appropriate -- the freindly text based hyperlink -- not those god awful flashy
And my last rant -- I am sick of hearing about the poor dot coms and content providers drowning in a see of bandwidth bills and no revenue....I pay my bandwidth bill every month with the income from my day job thank you....And if you are getting enough visitors to make the T3's choke -- yet you can't find a way to make money....I would suggest maybe you start selling tshirts, caps and pencils or something rather than trying to make money from banner ads from another company with no product trying to make money from banner ads in cahoots with even a bigger company....That all equals the worlds least successful triangle scheme from where I am standing.
>> No cable and DSL services here.
Yes I know I need to "get a life" -- but after having a cable modem for 2 years....(and considering I make my living doing computer related tasks)....I would rank broadband up their with electricity, running water, and Color TV..as things that if not available in my current location would warrant a move to a location that would provide these things..
Yea -- Its not a smart thing to cut off the whole original fan base AND at the same time try to compete in todays market. From what I hear -- the "new" players claim to not even have seen Richard's trailer....What a farse...
Yeah it's funny how all the good shows die young...Even in todays world you see great shows get thrown by the wayside like dirty trash. Thank goodness for SCI-FI, USA, and other varied networks that at least have a little respect for the greatness of these shows.
I have been waiting many years for this. However, given the shear love and respect that Richard Hatch has for the original BG -- (and the fact that Galactica 1980 fell flat because it left out most originals) he should now be the Commander. You could also get away with Dirk (Starbuck) and Herbert (Boomer) in Col Tigh type roles...I mean if you look at how good BG was for the time...imagine the possibilities...And hell, even a bad SCI-FI series would be better than the rest of the drivel out their today.
I have never much cared for KDE...(Mainly for my own stupid reasons of the WM portion not being custumizable enough ALA Sawmill or E)...However that being said, I played with 2.1beta the other day and I have to say that it pretty much knocked my socks off performance wise, stability wise, and it "felt" really good....Alas I went back to my Sawmill/Gnome Panel config shortly after -- I just think that some of these cool theme combos (GTK & Sawmill) that have been coming out lately are just DA Bomb...Plus I do not particularly care to launch a bunch of background processes like KDE does....
It's not the pc in my pocket that broke my back, it's the 17 Inch moniter I have to carry in my arms...
pack err up...We are headed back to the garages and basements...Linux and the financial world dont seem to to be able to cut a deal....Hell - Linus and the boys were never looking to make a buck, and the Kernel seems to be progressing just fine...I dont think the Gimp folks were counting their stock shares when they first typed "vi gimp.c" --- yall go back to your day jobs working on boring corporate WinHacks and save that creative stuff for the evenings and weekends...And the rest of us will be waiting with a cold beer and a few kudos when you visit our LUGS.
use v4lctl (from xawtv build) to start the audio and set the channel.
The author of "php_do_something_or_another v0.01ALPHA-CVS02012001" (a great program to be able to view the output of "ls -l
Moral of the story: I am sick of seeing all these "riches to rags" melodramas play themselves out in front of our eyes....Hell, Patrick and the Slackware folks were happy when only a handful of people were paying for his books that included the Slackware CD's....and that was years ago....Why all the sudden urge for these Distributions to make a boatload of cash???? I will be going back to Slackware now thank-you --- (I want to be ensured I will be using a distribution that wont "go out of business" at the drop of a hat when they realize that Linux is better off in the basement with low overhead....)
I liked things better when everything was on the fringe and underground anyway. So what if a few companies have gone belly up trying to hawk $100 copies of Debian....(Debian was meant to be free and will always be free -- so Corel & Stormix can cry in their beer all they want....)...I am sure those people trying to sell icecubes to Eskimos can swap war stories with the "failed" linux companies....
I would call this progress. Microsoft went from saying that Linux is no good because it does not scale or perform at the right level TO their current stance of "How can it be good if nobody is making truckloads of cash on it"...I still think they miss the whole point of OPEN and FREE..Sure I would be the first to say that if I were looking to make a boatload of cash -- maybe standing on the street corner and peddling $99 copies of Debian may not be such a good business plan -- but that does not say that if I am a company looking to migrate my business to the web or the embedded market -- that I would be willing to trust my corporate "hooks" to a closed source .dll that may have bugs that I am dependent on someone else fixing. I would rather trust my business to an arena where I had control over the source.
Man -- I have seen a few posts talking about how the new FM renders in IE5....Is it just me -- or is this kind of like a Vegaterian walking into a steak house and complaining how the meat just does not taste right...Or (part of me hopes) that maybe IE5 has been released on *nix and I just have not heard. I mean if you are running IE5 maybe Winfiles would be the place to hang out.
No flames meant to FM -- but this post does make some valid issues.
Why the wasted space on the left?? (I know that I often start off with a "3 paned design" and spend a good deal of time deciding what to do with the 2 "slim" panes...)
Say hello to CSS and goodbye to cross platform consistency. Give this man a cigar. I guess I will have to throw in a few more sticks of RAM and that extra PIII 900 I have over in the corner and give Mozilla another go....(After all it is the most standards complient (C) browser around is it not?)
Man -- I thought it was tough keeping up with the Stock Market...Now I have to keep track of what game systems to buy minutes before they go belly up. (* yes I was one of those poor kids that got the Atari 2600 AFTER it hit the clearance racks and swap meets....My parents finally decided it was affordable...)
What comes around goes around.
I believe in the pureness of the fact that the only distributions to "survive and thrive" will be the ones that saw 1's and 0's in the early days -- rather than $$ dollar $$ signs of late.
Long live Debian & Slackware...Oh yea -- and long live REAL rock & roll...
And Santa is killing Christmas.
MLK killed human rights.
And errr...Video killed the radio star...