Laws that limit Nazi's from opening their mouths are just laws. Would you deny that?
In China they are worried that what happened in Hitler-Germany could happen to their society as well. Falun Gong is turning out to be a great menace to the Chinese society and they might make a bid for national power, turning China into a place where it is dangerous to be a non-member.
If the Nazi's could have been stopped with a law would you still have been against that law?
In such an environment I do not blame the Chinese at all for stamping on dangerous propaganda that could weaken and undermine the most populous country on Earth, leading to the detriment of billions of people.
Freedom from discrimination is an important human right as guaranteerd in the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Article 1 and 7 of the UNDHR guarantee this right. Freedom of opinion is covered by Article 19. Article 30 states clearly "Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.". This clarifies that the rights guaranteed by the UNDHR cannot be abused to deny others rights. Therefore freedom of opinion may not be abused to discriminate others.
Anti-discrimination trumps freedom of speech. The US should follow the rest of the world and establish strong anti-discrimination laws that will make sure fascists, racists, Nazi's and white supremacists won't have a safe haven anywhere.
In China there is a law which makes it illegal to undermine the power of the state. You would expect every Chinese citizen to obey that law. So why this uproar? He violated a law of his country and now he is punished for it. But of course America has to tell the Chinese how to run their own society.
The USA commits far more damning assaults on basic human rights (as guaranteed in the UN Declaration of Human Rights, which the USA signed), such as the right to housing, the right to medical care and the right to a fair trial (the cases of Hurricane Carter and Mumia show that this right is violated frequently denied in the USA).
Also the right to be free of discrimination is not guaranteed in the USA, hate groups such as the KKK and that writer of the Turner Diaries go unpunished and the USA lacks a law against Holocaust denial, such as exists in many European nations.
Henry Ford was a notorious anti-semite before WWII.
See this page for more information about Ford's hatred for jews.
Although Ford recanted his anti-semitism after the second world war (and the unique horrors of the Holocaust became apparent) his legacy is still tainted because his virulent anti-semitic work "The International Jew" continues to be distributed on the web by anti-semitic haters.
Americans like to see themselves as the soldiers who stormed the beaches in Normandy as a pre-cursor to the liberation of European jewry, but there is a much uglier side of American contribution to the Holocaust. Many U.S. industrial companies like Ford, GM and IBM played a two-faced role, on the one side cooperating with the allies, but on the other side they supported the Nazi's through their trade.
It is about time the Americans people came to admit that their role wasn't as only a glorious one as portrayed in movies like Saving Private Ryan but also one of war-time collaboration and profiteering. The same is true for most other countries. Jews were unwanted in all European nations, in Britain and in the USA. They were turned away back to a certain death.
Ironically the country with the best war-time record regarding the jews is the country that was most vilified by the Americans after WWII. The Russians did the bulk of the liberation of European jewry and they lost far more soldiers than Great Britain and the USA combined (well over 20 million). This fact is remembered by the U.S. Holocaust Museum, which proudly flies the flags of the Red Army brigades who liberated the camps. Something to remember.
Of course Slashdot didn't bring this story, even though it is highly interesting and on-topic.
Why? Reason is simple, IBM spent $1 billion on Linux last year, so they can do no wrong. Even if some of that $1 billion is part of IBM's war-time profits, which enabled Hitler to murder the jews more efficiently than thought possible, resulting in the sole largest mass murder in history.
$1 billion, that is $166,67 per victim. Judas Iscariot only accepted 30 pieces of silver for betrayal, Slashdot' betrayal of the memory of the dead comes at a much higher price.
Of course had Microsoft been around during WWII and had the Nazi's used Windows 42 to count the jews for destruction then you would have heard no end of it. It would be the subject of at least 10 John Katz stories.
Well how about a black who finds himself in West Virginia or Kentucky then in a "redneck area"?
Would you say he would be left unharmed? Everyone makes joke about "rednecks" and "white trash" being inbred scum, it is the acceptable form of racism these days.
Are you joking? My Newton used up one set of rechargables a day. And when I forgot to change them with another set my backup battery went dead RAPIIIIDO.
Using up so many juice is one of the reasons why the Newton didn't become a huge success.
Urrm, the damn thing used up so much juice you had to swap batteries every day. And if you forgot it once the back up battery would be flat and you lost all your shite + you had to get another backup battery.
Q: Is the information received used for any type of profiling? TOP
A: No. We do not perform any type of profiling. Information received is used in aggregate form by the Center for the Prevention of School Violence to track school violence trends and to develop effective and relevant strategies to help schools stem violence.
Quite different from what the Slashdot chief demagogue John Katz is trying to tell us.
You'd need to buy at least a datasette or preferably a diskdrive and a monitor or you could use a TV (which you also paid for) to be able to do anything with it.
With the $600 bundle you might be able to power it on and tap a few keys but not much more.
At the very least you'd have to extend the system with a datasette (which was the preferred storage in Europe and the UK, as many C64 owners couldn't afford a diskdrive and most games came on tape anyways) and an old B&W TV to be able to use it.
If you buy a PC nowadays you get at least a monitor with it, a diskdrive, a harddisk, a CD-ROM drive, a keyboard and a mouse. And in many cases you also get a modem and/or a printer with the bundle.
With those old computers you only got the keyboard included in the package.
Well the software that was out for the C64 was more advanced than the software that was around when the C64 came out. If something like GEOS had been around in 1982 then the C64 would have gone on to conquer the entire computer world.
In the early '90s the people who made GEOS made a really nifty Windows type environment called GeoWorks Ensemble which ran nicely on an XT.
But to not completely disagree with you, it wasn't really until the Soundblaster card came along in the early '90s until the PC matched all the sonic capabilities of the C64 (AFAIK the Adlib card didn't support speech and the C64 did).
Bill Gates wrote the editor of the TRS-80, according to "Gates" by Stephen Manes and Paul Andrews (Touchstone 1994, ISBN 0-671-88074-8).
On p.209 it sez:
Squirreled away in Bellevue, the lead programmers were three ASCII Microsoft employees from Japan: Jey Suzuki, Rick Yamashita, and Jun Hayashi, whose names later turned up in the ROM. But there was also the handiwork of William Henry Gates, who designed the machine's data structures and some of the user interface.
Later, Bill became impatient with the lame line-oriented text editor that had been developed for the machine. The programmers insisted a change was impossible; with all the other goodies in the 32K ROM, there just wouldn't be room enought for a full-screen text editor. The next morning Gates had delivered the "impossible" editor in the same amount of code as the rudimentary one. It would be the last time Gates wrote a program that shipped as a Microsoft product. The demands of business has inexorably become more compelling than mere codesmithing.
So this was Gates swansong as a programmer and he made it into a fine product that is STILL being used by many journalists.
It goes against the grain of the popular image of Gates as a greedy businessman who profiteers from other's work and doesn't contribute anything himself but apparently Bill Gates was a competent programmer in his time.
"...don't bust 'till you see the whites of his eyes, the whites of his skin, the whites of his lies..." Ice Cube "Enemy"
"Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white people; but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha" Apache "Kill d'White People"
"Niggas in the church say: kill whitey all night long. . . . the white man is the devil. . . . the CRIPS and Bloods are soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this white genetic mutant. . . . let's go and kill some rednecks. . . . Menace Clan ain't afraid. . . . I got the.380; the homies think I'm crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill whitey all night long. . . . a nigga dumping on your white ass; fuck this rap shit, nigga, I'm gonna blast. . . . I beat a white boy to the motherfucking ground" Menace Clan "Kill Whitey"
is soooo much different and more peaceful than white skinhead music.
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Communist propaganda is allowed in all European countries. The more agitated protests against the neo-nazi's come from extreme-left youths.
And the last time I checked communists weren't in favour of democracy as well (although they liked to call themselves democrats).
Hasn't anyone mentioned that this problem with Nazi's applies in Eastern Germany mostly? And that Eastern Germans weren't raised to be democrats for many years, during the communist goverment of Erich Honecker?
Of course the left now says that a communist system is better because it keeps fascism down. But really there is not much difference between these two systems, but they are treated differently.
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In Holland the leader of a small Christian party was convicted for quoting from the bible.
That is how far it goes.
In Holland we have no big problem with skinheads throwing molotovs through foreigners windows and beating them up on the street (we still remember the last racist murder victim who died in 1983), but people get convicted for saying things about e.g. the immigration policy which the goverment doesn't like.
And last I heard that an ISP shut down a website that railed against the policies of the transport minister, because they treatened him with prosecution.
We are on a very slippery slope here.
They say history repeats itself often but never in the same way as in the past. It is very likely that we are on the way to another fascist state but then one that is anti-nazi and anti-fascist in nature. That is why I am against censorship laws no matter how vile the people being censored are.
But that old poem "when they came for the jews...." still applies here.
Who will do something for you, when they finally come for you?
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We have also seen where communism can lead to (+150 million deaths) but communist propaganda is not only being allowed in Europe, it is often subsidized by European goverments.
Forget the trauma's this is about control. Most goverments in Europe are socialist and they try anything to stop the right wing from becoming a credible opposition. Even moderate right wing parties are blacklisted and persecuted.
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In China they are worried that what happened in Hitler-Germany could happen to their society as well. Falun Gong is turning out to be a great menace to the Chinese society and they might make a bid for national power, turning China into a place where it is dangerous to be a non-member.
If the Nazi's could have been stopped with a law would you still have been against that law?
Just to make your mind up, have a look at the Falun Gong symbol. Looks familiar doesn't it?
In such an environment I do not blame the Chinese at all for stamping on dangerous propaganda that could weaken and undermine the most populous country on Earth, leading to the detriment of billions of people.
Freedom from discrimination is an important human right as guaranteerd in the UN Declaration of Human Rights. Article 1 and 7 of the UNDHR guarantee this right. Freedom of opinion is covered by Article 19. Article 30 states clearly "Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.". This clarifies that the rights guaranteed by the UNDHR cannot be abused to deny others rights. Therefore freedom of opinion may not be abused to discriminate others.
Anti-discrimination trumps freedom of speech. The US should follow the rest of the world and establish strong anti-discrimination laws that will make sure fascists, racists, Nazi's and white supremacists won't have a safe haven anywhere.
United Nations Declaration of Human Rights
The USA commits far more damning assaults on basic human rights (as guaranteed in the UN Declaration of Human Rights, which the USA signed), such as the right to housing, the right to medical care and the right to a fair trial (the cases of Hurricane Carter and Mumia show that this right is violated frequently denied in the USA).
Also the right to be free of discrimination is not guaranteed in the USA, hate groups such as the KKK and that writer of the Turner Diaries go unpunished and the USA lacks a law against Holocaust denial, such as exists in many European nations.
See this page for more information about Ford's hatred for jews.
Although Ford recanted his anti-semitism after the second world war (and the unique horrors of the Holocaust became apparent) his legacy is still tainted because his virulent anti-semitic work "The International Jew" continues to be distributed on the web by anti-semitic haters.
Americans like to see themselves as the soldiers who stormed the beaches in Normandy as a pre-cursor to the liberation of European jewry, but there is a much uglier side of American contribution to the Holocaust. Many U.S. industrial companies like Ford, GM and IBM played a two-faced role, on the one side cooperating with the allies, but on the other side they supported the Nazi's through their trade.
It is about time the Americans people came to admit that their role wasn't as only a glorious one as portrayed in movies like Saving Private Ryan but also one of war-time collaboration and profiteering. The same is true for most other countries. Jews were unwanted in all European nations, in Britain and in the USA. They were turned away back to a certain death.
Ironically the country with the best war-time record regarding the jews is the country that was most vilified by the Americans after WWII. The Russians did the bulk of the liberation of European jewry and they lost far more soldiers than Great Britain and the USA combined (well over 20 million). This fact is remembered by the U.S. Holocaust Museum, which proudly flies the flags of the Red Army brigades who liberated the camps. Something to remember.
Of course Slashdot didn't bring this story, even though it is highly interesting and on-topic. Why? Reason is simple, IBM spent $1 billion on Linux last year, so they can do no wrong. Even if some of that $1 billion is part of IBM's war-time profits, which enabled Hitler to murder the jews more efficiently than thought possible, resulting in the sole largest mass murder in history. $1 billion, that is $166,67 per victim. Judas Iscariot only accepted 30 pieces of silver for betrayal, Slashdot' betrayal of the memory of the dead comes at a much higher price. Of course had Microsoft been around during WWII and had the Nazi's used Windows 42 to count the jews for destruction then you would have heard no end of it. It would be the subject of at least 10 John Katz stories.
Would you say he would be left unharmed? Everyone makes joke about "rednecks" and "white trash" being inbred scum, it is the acceptable form of racism these days.
BTW: Ever seen Die Hard with a vengeance?
Remember Cyberdog? Apple's answer to Microsoft Bob?
Are you joking? My Newton used up one set of rechargables a day. And when I forgot to change them with another set my backup battery went dead RAPIIIIDO. Using up so many juice is one of the reasons why the Newton didn't become a huge success.
Urrm, the damn thing used up so much juice you had to swap batteries every day. And if you forgot it once the back up battery would be flat and you lost all your shite + you had to get another backup battery.
Well let's see what they say in their FAQ:
Q: Is the information received used for any type of profiling? TOP
A: No. We do not perform any type of profiling. Information received is used in aggregate form by the Center for the Prevention of School Violence to track school violence trends and to develop effective and relevant strategies to help schools stem violence.
Quite different from what the Slashdot chief demagogue John Katz is trying to tell us.
With the $600 bundle you might be able to power it on and tap a few keys but not much more.
At the very least you'd have to extend the system with a datasette (which was the preferred storage in Europe and the UK, as many C64 owners couldn't afford a diskdrive and most games came on tape anyways) and an old B&W TV to be able to use it.
If you buy a PC nowadays you get at least a monitor with it, a diskdrive, a harddisk, a CD-ROM drive, a keyboard and a mouse. And in many cases you also get a modem and/or a printer with the bundle.
With those old computers you only got the keyboard included in the package.
We take a lot for granted these days...
Women always have no sense of what's worth anything, don't they? ;-)
In the early '90s the people who made GEOS made a really nifty Windows type environment called GeoWorks Ensemble which ran nicely on an XT.
But to not completely disagree with you, it wasn't really until the Soundblaster card came along in the early '90s until the PC matched all the sonic capabilities of the C64 (AFAIK the Adlib card didn't support speech and the C64 did).
No, that system wasn't IBM compatible, so it died.
Wasn't this an Online Service in the vein of CompuServe in those days?
http://www.sbrowning.com/vintage/index.php3?p=35 http://www.sbrowning.com/vintage/index.php3?p=37
On p.209 it sez:
So this was Gates swansong as a programmer and he made it into a fine product that is STILL being used by many journalists.
It goes against the grain of the popular image of Gates as a greedy businessman who profiteers from other's work and doesn't contribute anything himself but apparently Bill Gates was a competent programmer in his time.
Does the USsian goverment think that Canada belongs to them and therefore Canadians must have the same rights as USsian citizens?
Can the Queen of Britain work for the NSA (if she wanted to and had the required skills), she's English, but she's also head of state of Canada?
American mathematicians only I presume.
"...don't bust 'till you see the whites of his eyes, the whites of his skin, the whites of his lies..."
Ice Cube "Enemy"
"Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white people; but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha"
Apache "Kill d'White People"
"Niggas in the church say: kill whitey all night long. . . . the white man is the devil. . . . the CRIPS and Bloods are soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this white genetic mutant. . . . let's go and kill some rednecks. . . . Menace Clan ain't afraid. . . . I got the .380; the homies think I'm crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill whitey all night long. . . . a nigga dumping on your white ass; fuck this rap shit, nigga, I'm gonna blast. . . . I beat a white boy to the motherfucking ground"
Menace Clan "Kill Whitey"
is soooo much different and more peaceful than white skinhead music.
And the last time I checked communists weren't in favour of democracy as well (although they liked to call themselves democrats).
Hasn't anyone mentioned that this problem with Nazi's applies in Eastern Germany mostly? And that Eastern Germans weren't raised to be democrats for many years, during the communist goverment of Erich Honecker?
Of course the left now says that a communist system is better because it keeps fascism down. But really there is not much difference between these two systems, but they are treated differently.
That is how far it goes.
In Holland we have no big problem with skinheads throwing molotovs through foreigners windows and beating them up on the street (we still remember the last racist murder victim who died in 1983), but people get convicted for saying things about e.g. the immigration policy which the goverment doesn't like.
And last I heard that an ISP shut down a website that railed against the policies of the transport minister, because they treatened him with prosecution.
We are on a very slippery slope here.
They say history repeats itself often but never in the same way as in the past. It is very likely that we are on the way to another fascist state but then one that is anti-nazi and anti-fascist in nature. That is why I am against censorship laws no matter how vile the people being censored are.
But that old poem "when they came for the jews...." still applies here.
Who will do something for you, when they finally come for you?
Forget the trauma's this is about control. Most goverments in Europe are socialist and they try anything to stop the right wing from becoming a credible opposition. Even moderate right wing parties are blacklisted and persecuted.
Songs of Distant Earth.
Some things never end, it seems! ;-)