Oh, wouldn't that be just peachy if Microsoft got control of the whole ball of whacks!
Well, seeing as how Microsoft is already selling a version of the GNU C Compiler in a product they recently acquired (a Posix subsystem for NT called Interix), it seems they're already rolling down that path.
We've got to reverse the language subversion foisted off on us by the Leaders of Our Community (or whatever.)
'Cracker' historically is defined as someone who enjoys defeating the copy protection in copy-protected games (also known as "cracking" them.)
If you don't like your term 'Hacker' being redefined to mean 'someone who illegally breaks into computer systems' then you should stop trying to redefine somebody else's term ('Cracker') in the same fashion.
ESR is as guilty of this as anybody. I find it deplorable that an extreme zealot like him has custodianship of the 'Jargon File.' In effect, having someone like him involved just reduces the relevance of the aforementioned 'file.'
You're claiming that the text you've entered onto this bulletin board as an "Anonymous Coward" is your property and Katz better not use it in his next published work?
It seems to me that as you've not even taken the step of attributing the text you posted under A.C. by signing it at the bottom with a real name, or even an email address, that you've just contributed to the Public Domanin.
Or were you planning on getting a court order that forces hAndover to handover (hee!) the weblogs, so that your Intellectual Property (snicker!) can be protected???
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About a decade and a half ago I bought a used dumb terminal (I think it was a Televideo 950) and hooked it up to my Altos CP/M box to use as the console. It for some reason would only enter text in ALL CAPS. It bewildered me, as there weren't any dipswitches setting it to all caps, like on a Lear-Siegler ADM-3A (the predecessor of the iMac.) Upon disassembling it, I discovered that the switch for the caps-lock key had been bridged, with a little piece of wire tack-soldered on.
So check your keyboard, Ooog-whatever. We know you don't have modern tools to do so with, but as the old adage goes: "The only tools needed to work on computer equipment are a hammer and a cold chisel." Improvise, in other words.
I don't know about you, but I get a zen-like buzz from sitting down at the old IBM Selectric and using a lower-case L for the numeral one. The immediacy of seeing your words appear directly onto the paper.
You probably wouldn't understand. Just move on, nothing to see here.
You don't have to reach far to see the reason that ANDN and LNUX have tanked. Any good book on the subject from 1972 explains it nicely.
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I don't think anybody is implying that 'technology is hype.'
I think there's a certain amount of credence in the assertion that all this "New Age, All The Rules Have Changed" crap is hype. If you can't tell the difference, report to the detox center. You've had waaaay too many of the purple berries.
Does the author care to point out that this unprecedented era of economic growth coupled with low inflation can be attributed entirely to these technology companies whose stocks are so wildly inflated.
Is there proof, or is this something that one sees coming from "Visionarys" of the "New Economy?"
A $1500 box does the work of 10 white-collar employees? Don't be silly!
We should have governmental oversight of all new technology.
When Linus and 'the boys' want to add new features into the Linux kernel, they could apply to a committee. If the added features meant systems running the kernel would need additional RAM or other resources, the committee could weight that against the benefits of the new features.
I'm sure that a change that meant that about 50% of the kernel developer's resources would be tied up in government paperwork wouldn't impact anything important. People, in particular hackers, love government paperwork.
A nice stiff bandwidth tax on the Internet would also cut down on frivolous 'net usage, which would be a very green thing indeed.
High uptime figures on workstations and servers that 'the committee' doesn't find critical to an organization could also be restricted. Those 300 day uptime figures sure seem mighty brown, particularly on personal workstations that are actively used less than 8 hours a day.
We've got to start thinking of the trees! And Mother Earth the Goddess, or whatever.
'Here Comes the Green Gang' - the Legendary Pink Dots, from the Crushed Velvet Apocalypse album.
Your arguement about WinModems is a bit of a scarecrow.
Do you seriously think, even if it were fully disclosed code, that Linus and the Kernel Commandantes would compromise the whole kernel's performance just to save several dollars on a modem?
WinModems do not just have 'drivers' which are obfuscated. The main processor must execute real-time digital signal processing. That just doesn't fit in with the Unix timesharing philosophy. WinModems don't make sense on Linux, they never will, and crying about the need for a 'driver' to use them shows ignorance on the part of the complainer, nothing more.
Who cares about the WINE project besides a small group of hackers** ? WINE wasn't mentioned a single time in the Finding of 'Facts.' Linux was only mentioned as a weak futile effort without much impact on the market.
You are 'finished' with Windows? Actually, you're sounding like a puppy that got loose for the first time. I had your attitude a few years ago. Unfortunately, several years later, all the programs (i.e. XWave) that I used to like don't build properly on Linux anymore. (download the source to XWave. try to get it to build on a current Linux distro. It won't even build on Slackware anymore. Hint: it's in the NetBSD 'ports' collection and builds on 1.4.2 just fine)
(** if I want to run Windows programs, I use my Windows machine. That isn't at ALL the reason I've installed free Unices on some of my computers)
Since McAfee sell virus-'protection' software as a primary focus, it seems to me that accepting their numbers wholesale would be the equivalent of telling a Life Insurance agent "oh, just sign me up for however much insurance you think I should have, and bill my account."
Understanding something and being dragged into a swamp of prompts and decisions about dependencies are two different things.
Actually, these days I prefer installing via pkgsrc.tgz on my NetBSD system. Then it's 'make && make install' to add packages, building from source. It pulls in dependencies as needed, building those packages from source too. It's the fastest way I know to build something like 'lyx' from source. On a bare-bones install that one command installs it all, TeX, LaTeX, the works. It's far less 'in your face' than dselect.
Most people know somebody, or at least know of somebody, who uses the software package they are considering. And there's the review process known as the Free Press that spreads far and wide when a piece of software is a stinking disaster (i.e. the hue and cry over AOL 5.0).
So your translation is laughable. A scarecrow arguement. Surely you're capable of better than that. (you're a Parrot, not a crow, afterall)
Who is to blame? Evey Author that added onto the piece of open-source software?
Most businesses won't first ask "who is to blame" when reviewing the license that company-critical code is under. They'll ask "who has thoroughly tested the code."
And again, with no Centralization, it's a tough question to answer. Sure, 10,000 eyes have pored over the main body of code. That was release 2.3pl4 code. Only 34 pairs of eyes have pored over patchlevel 5, and only six people have reviewed pl 6, which is what the business is thinking of using.
Well, I have a hard drive downstairs in the lab here at home from Western Digital that makes a "knock" "knock" sound on power up now. I guess I'm not gonna get Slackware 7.0 booted on that machine again anytime soon. I'm glad that I'll be able to send the drive back to WD. It'll be the second replacement drive now. (the last one died as a result of a 3 in the morning power cord plugged in backwards (worn, unsafe power splitter...)
So, yes. Some companies DO stand behind their product. In my case, that's why I tend to buy WD drives... they stand behind them.
Don't assume that because you don't charge for the software you produce that your liability would be zero.
People who have a swimming pool in the yard get sued all the time when a neighbor kid gets hurt in it, and they weren't charging that kid to use the pool.
Buggy software could be seen as an "attractive nuisance" by some courts. This precedent helps block that from happening.
Anything that results in less "lawyer food" being out there can't be all bad.
Bear in mind that in this case, the license prevented a customer from "striking back" at a vendor. Many people are more fearful of a vendor striking out at them, the customer. This case doesn't reinforce the possiblity of that happening.
Not saying it is a good thing... but most people who worry about the license being "enforcable" are more worried about being zonked by the vendor, fewer worry about their 'right' to sue the vendor.
Well, for one, I am not interested in paying more for my hard drive so you can store music you didn't create yourself on yours thankyouverymuch.
In fact, if I got out my Roland SH-101 (a monophonic analog synthesizer) or my clarinet and a microphone and used my "digital recording studio" software (i.e. Cool Edit Pro, Cakewalk, Ceres SoundStudio, etc.) to record my OWN music, I would NOT be happy to be paying royalties that ultimately end up in the bank account of "Nerd Turdwad and the Slashdots" (let alone the part skimmed off by the RIAA, or the copyright-mafia of your choice.)
I can't think many folk musicians would be enthusiastic about that either.
It would be considered a profound conflict of interest for the Patent Attorneys who work on the 'other side of the table' to become examiners at the PTO.
My roommate? Can you say "little kiddy that wanted to see his name in a wired article?"
Just for the record, today one of CommanderTaco's articles includes the following: ''Update: 05/04 03:12 by CT: My Roommate Kurt "The Pope" DeMaagd has written a better...''
If you study what the framers of the Constitution intended, you discover that they were talking about Free Political speech. Free Political speech guarantees the right to participate in political activities without your voice being censored. It has nothing to do with frivolous things like pornography.
It's ridiculous how much this has been twisted in the time since then.
And I apologize in advance to those who are disturbed when common sense is interjected into these discussions. Sorry.
If you think that road construction is simply a matter of flatting some land and dumping some asphalt on it, you're deluded.
One of my favorite books is a copy of Highway Engineering , which goes into a LOT of detail (needless to say, as it's a Civil Engineering Textbook) on how roads are designed and constructed. It's a true geek read (geek as in people who like learning about cool tech, not simply the hopelessly monitor-tanned crowd)
It's also a bloody expensive book(sigh), if you can't find a used copy.
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Oh, wouldn't that be just peachy if Microsoft got control of the whole ball of whacks!
Well, seeing as how Microsoft is already selling a version of the GNU C Compiler in a product they recently acquired (a Posix subsystem for NT called Interix), it seems they're already rolling down that path.
We've got to reverse the language subversion foisted off on us by the Leaders of Our Community (or whatever.)
'Cracker' historically is defined as someone who enjoys defeating the copy protection in copy-protected games (also known as "cracking" them.)
If you don't like your term 'Hacker' being redefined to mean 'someone who illegally breaks into computer systems' then you should stop trying to redefine somebody else's term ('Cracker') in the same fashion.
ESR is as guilty of this as anybody. I find it deplorable that an extreme zealot like him has custodianship of the 'Jargon File.' In effect, having someone like him involved just reduces the relevance of the aforementioned 'file.'
Hold on a minute there.
You're claiming that the text you've entered onto this bulletin board as an "Anonymous Coward" is your property and Katz better not use it in his next published work?
It seems to me that as you've not even taken the step of attributing the text you posted under A.C. by signing it at the bottom with a real name, or even an email address, that you've just contributed to the Public Domanin.
Or were you planning on getting a court order that forces hAndover to handover (hee!) the weblogs, so that your Intellectual Property (snicker!) can be protected???
About a decade and a half ago I bought a used dumb terminal (I think it was a Televideo 950) and hooked it up to my Altos CP/M box to use as the console. It for some reason would only enter text in ALL CAPS. It bewildered me, as there weren't any dipswitches setting it to all caps, like on a Lear-Siegler ADM-3A (the predecessor of the iMac.) Upon disassembling it, I discovered that the switch for the caps-lock key had been bridged, with a little piece of wire tack-soldered on.
So check your keyboard, Ooog-whatever. We know you don't have modern tools to do so with, but as the old adage goes: "The only tools needed to work on computer equipment are a hammer and a cold chisel." Improvise, in other words.
I don't know about you, but I get a zen-like buzz from sitting down at the old IBM Selectric and using a lower-case L for the numeral one. The immediacy of seeing your words appear directly onto the paper.
You probably wouldn't understand. Just move on, nothing to see here.
You don't have to reach far to see the reason that ANDN and LNUX have tanked. Any good book on the subject from 1972 explains it nicely.
I don't think anybody is implying that 'technology is hype.'
I think there's a certain amount of credence in the assertion that all this "New Age, All The Rules Have Changed" crap is hype. If you can't tell the difference, report to the detox center. You've had waaaay too many of the purple berries.
Does the author care to point out that this unprecedented era of economic growth coupled with low inflation can be attributed entirely to these technology companies whose stocks are so wildly inflated.
Is there proof, or is this something that one sees coming from "Visionarys" of the "New Economy?"
A $1500 box does the work of 10 white-collar employees? Don't be silly!
Hey, that's a cool idea.
We should have governmental oversight of all new technology.
When Linus and 'the boys' want to add new features into the Linux kernel, they could apply to a committee. If the added features meant systems running the kernel would need additional RAM or other resources, the committee could weight that against the benefits of the new features.
I'm sure that a change that meant that about 50% of the kernel developer's resources would be tied up in government paperwork wouldn't impact anything important. People, in particular hackers, love government paperwork.
A nice stiff bandwidth tax on the Internet would also cut down on frivolous 'net usage, which would be a very green thing indeed.
High uptime figures on workstations and servers that 'the committee' doesn't find critical to an organization could also be restricted. Those 300 day uptime figures sure seem mighty brown, particularly on personal workstations that are actively used less than 8 hours a day.
We've got to start thinking of the trees! And Mother Earth the Goddess, or whatever.
'Here Comes the Green Gang' - the Legendary Pink Dots, from the Crushed Velvet Apocalypse album.
Your arguement about WinModems is a bit of a scarecrow.
Do you seriously think, even if it were fully disclosed code, that Linus and the Kernel Commandantes would compromise the whole kernel's performance just to save several dollars on a modem?
WinModems do not just have 'drivers' which are obfuscated. The main processor must execute real-time digital signal processing. That just doesn't fit in with the Unix timesharing philosophy. WinModems don't make sense on Linux, they never will, and crying about the need for a 'driver' to use them shows ignorance on the part of the complainer, nothing more.
Who cares about the WINE project besides a small group of hackers** ? WINE wasn't mentioned a single time in the Finding of 'Facts.' Linux was only mentioned as a weak futile effort without much impact on the market.
You are 'finished' with Windows? Actually, you're sounding like a puppy that got loose for the first time. I had your attitude a few years ago. Unfortunately, several years later, all the programs (i.e. XWave) that I used to like don't build properly on Linux anymore. (download the source to XWave. try to get it to build on a current Linux distro. It won't even build on Slackware anymore. Hint: it's in the NetBSD 'ports' collection and builds on 1.4.2 just fine)
(** if I want to run Windows programs, I use my Windows machine. That isn't at ALL the reason I've installed free Unices on some of my computers)
Since McAfee sell virus-'protection' software as a primary focus, it seems to me that accepting their numbers wholesale would be the equivalent of telling a Life Insurance agent "oh, just sign me up for however much insurance you think I should have, and bill my account."
Understanding something and being dragged into a swamp of prompts and decisions about dependencies are two different things.
Actually, these days I prefer installing via pkgsrc.tgz on my NetBSD system. Then it's 'make && make install' to add packages, building from source. It pulls in dependencies as needed, building those packages from source too. It's the fastest way I know to build something like 'lyx' from source. On a bare-bones install that one command installs it all, TeX, LaTeX, the works. It's far less 'in your face' than dselect.
I think you lost something in that "translation."
Most people know somebody, or at least know of somebody, who uses the software package they are considering. And there's the review process known as the Free Press that spreads far and wide when a piece of software is a stinking disaster (i.e. the hue and cry over AOL 5.0).
So your translation is laughable. A scarecrow arguement. Surely you're capable of better than that. (you're a Parrot, not a crow, afterall)
Who is to blame? Evey Author that added onto the piece of open-source software?
Most businesses won't first ask "who is to blame" when reviewing the license that company-critical code is under. They'll ask "who has thoroughly tested the code."
And again, with no Centralization, it's a tough question to answer. Sure, 10,000 eyes have pored over the main body of code. That was release 2.3pl4 code. Only 34 pairs of eyes have pored over patchlevel 5, and only six people have reviewed pl 6, which is what the business is thinking of using.
Well, I have a hard drive downstairs in the lab here at home from Western Digital that makes a "knock" "knock" sound on power up now. I guess I'm not gonna get Slackware 7.0 booted on that machine again anytime soon. I'm glad that I'll be able to send the drive back to WD. It'll be the second replacement drive now. (the last one died as a result of a 3 in the morning power cord plugged in backwards (worn, unsafe power splitter...)
So, yes. Some companies DO stand behind their product. In my case, that's why I tend to buy WD drives... they stand behind them.
Don't assume that because you don't charge for the software you produce that your liability would be zero.
People who have a swimming pool in the yard get sued all the time when a neighbor kid gets hurt in it, and they weren't charging that kid to use the pool.
Buggy software could be seen as an "attractive nuisance" by some courts. This precedent helps block that from happening.
Anything that results in less "lawyer food" being out there can't be all bad.
Bear in mind that in this case, the license prevented a customer from "striking back" at a vendor. Many people are more fearful of a vendor striking out at them, the customer. This case doesn't reinforce the possiblity of that happening.
Not saying it is a good thing... but most people who worry about the license being "enforcable" are more worried about being zonked by the vendor, fewer worry about their 'right' to sue the vendor.
Thoughts?
Well, for one, I am not interested in paying more for my hard drive so you can store music you didn't create yourself on yours thankyouverymuch.
In fact, if I got out my Roland SH-101 (a monophonic analog synthesizer) or my clarinet and a microphone and used my "digital recording studio" software (i.e. Cool Edit Pro, Cakewalk, Ceres SoundStudio, etc.) to record my OWN music, I would NOT be happy to be paying royalties that ultimately end up in the bank account of "Nerd Turdwad and the Slashdots" (let alone the part skimmed off by the RIAA, or the copyright-mafia of your choice.)
I can't think many folk musicians would be enthusiastic about that either.
It would be considered a profound conflict of interest for the Patent Attorneys who work on the 'other side of the table' to become examiners at the PTO.
My roommate? Can you say "little kiddy that wanted to see his name in a wired article?"
Just for the record, today one of CommanderTaco's articles includes the following: '' Update: 05/04 03:12 by CT: My Roommate Kurt "The Pope" DeMaagd has written a better... ''
Gonna remind CT that he's a little kiddy??
It's pretty darn smug of you to say "only user files would get trashed."
Guess which files on a system usually came directly off a CD-ROM and can be reinstalled in a matter of a few hours?? The system files.
Guess which files on a system are often irreplacable, and represent almost all the value in having a computer in the first place? The user files.
If you study what the framers of the Constitution intended, you discover that they were talking about Free Political speech. Free Political speech guarantees the right to participate in political activities without your voice being censored. It has nothing to do with frivolous things like pornography.
It's ridiculous how much this has been twisted in the time since then.
And I apologize in advance to those who are disturbed when common sense is interjected into these discussions. Sorry.
If you think that road construction is simply a matter of flatting some land and dumping some asphalt on it, you're deluded.
One of my favorite books is a copy of Highway Engineering , which goes into a LOT of detail (needless to say, as it's a Civil Engineering Textbook) on how roads are designed and constructed. It's a true geek read (geek as in people who like learning about cool tech, not simply the hopelessly monitor-tanned crowd)
It's also a bloody expensive book(sigh), if you can't find a used copy.
Just wait.
Soon the people/entities who write Sound driver code will figure it out:
On loading of the driver on boot-up, the merry melodies of:
"Winston tastes good, like a cigarette should."
I don't think they have gotten around to banning musical jingles for cigarettes in Linux boot sequences (yet).