What kind of sandbox would you recommend for non-free applications between 10 and 95 [wikipedia.org] years old?
I don't care. I've learned that people hold onto things because they can, not because they need to.
Digital Packrats.
Besides, they could just VMware a DOS/Win98 session on a LINUX box and be done worrying. If it doesn't run on VMware, then it probably doesn't run on modern architecture anyway.
When people realize there are alternatives, they start to look for MORE of them. Firefox specifically is proving that one doesn't need MS to do normal activity. When no website "breaks" because one is using FF, they subtly say "wow". When they learn of new features (tabs) in IE and realize that those were available in FF long before MS got to them, they go "wow".
This would cause people to look at what they do, not what they use to do it, and see if what they need is available elsewhere.
The next big push should be OpenOffice. My kid comes in and shows me her "Powerpoint" (her words) and I know that I haven't put MS Office on her computer, then I point out that it isn't "PowerPoint" but a presentation. She realizes it isn't Microsoft Office and I now have someone who can tell her friends "I didn't use MS Office" (and she will too!).
When people realize they can surf the net (already there) and make "PowerPoints" and "Word Documents" and "Excel Spreadsheet", it will increase the options for discovering that one CAN get along quite nicely without Microsoft.
I've long said that 2007-8 is going to be the beginning of the end for MS. The writing is on the walls, it is just a matter of time before the whole thing collapses.
They tried it with Vista and UAC; pop up a little 'fuck you' every time a program does something the Windows 95 paradigm. And they got raked over the coals for it.
AND rightly so. They should BREAK win85 paradigm and be DONE with it! And by "break" I mean "do not install this program, it isn't written right" kind of breaking.
Microsoft had and still has the ability to dictate to the market, and they should use that power to do things right.
Vista could have been lean mean awesome OS, if Microsoft took the approach that it was dropping everything that wasn't coded to WIN2K standards, and not the crap from before. They had 5 years to get applications re-written to work right.
The even could have created a virtual backwards compatibility mode where it ran such applications in a sandbox, away from the system internals.
But they didn't, they took a half assed approach trying to not piss on anyone, and in the process pissed on a whole bunch of people. And still have a broken model it is still trying to get away from.
Often times it is "Something needs to be done. We're doing something. It needs to be done".
When someone does step forward, it is still not enough! Which is, ironically enough, why not enough people are willing TO step forward: too much criticism from the peanut gallery.
So, the only things that get done, are those things that suit one person's particular agenda enough not to listen to criticism.
Clearly what you want is Mac OS X, not Linux. So use it instead of bitching that Linux isn't what you want.
If we choose Mac OS over Linux, the Linux fanboys will go nuts saying.... "Linux is just as good as Mac OS" or some such thing.
There is an unbelievable amount of "anything you can do, I can do better" elitism within the LINUX promoting crowd, to the point that it doesn't matter what is better, Linux is always better because of some ideological, and often non user, based point. Usually it comes down to "GPL" vs "non-free commercial".
The fact is, GPL (Or other OSS license) and what is functionally best are two separate points. Until the GPL zealots get off their high horses and realize that most people either don't care, or aren't technically proficient enough to work around the shortcomings.
Granted, LINUX is MUCH MUCH better than it was a few short years ago!! It is very usable for a vast majority of tasks, but some are NOT yet available. We should be working with the popular applications that are NOT native on Linux to try and help get them port over. It doesn't help when we criticize the users for using such applications when there is no alternative on Linux (or Mac as the case may be).
If I were writing an APPLICATION today, I'd write it to run under WINE specifically, and be done. We can KILL windows if we write to a WINE spec, because then the underlying OS doesn't matter.
[quote]Also, a few idiots blaming the wrong people and threatening/committing violence does not equal "the Left". It equals a few idiots.[/quote]
Except, when those idiots are on the "right" and a leftist equates everyone with certain leanings as equivalent to the "few idiots".
Because everyone who believes in a deity, wants 2nd Amendment upheld and so on is nothing more than another "Tim McVey" or "David Duke".
I once had the pleasure of running for a College Political office with a nice guy, and some leftist didn't like our political views and said we were nothing more than the KKK. Which was a shock to the nice guy I just mentioned, who happened to be black. Said it was the first time in his life he was called a member of KKK.
It is easy to use racially charged terms casually, and without thinking. Of course one can call it a "few idiots" and you'd be right. It just seems like the "few idiots" are excused on the left more often, or how else does one explain Robert Bird?
Of course you are right, but telling certain people they are wrong doesn't always work. People like this think everyone is just like them, so if you tell them that most people don't care (shock horror) it actually hits them where they do care, namely their ego.
So, by "pundits, commentators and so on" you mean one case. Got it.
and "still is" isn't quite accurate either, I totally forgot about it. And most idiots never even knew about it. I'm sure it is "huge" in the leftwing blogosphere like "theleftcoaster".
You need to get outside your bubble. It isn't nearly the story the left wanted it to be. Nobody cares, really!
But being "upset" doesn't require any action beyond a temper tantrum, or a nasty email, or some other inconsequential pseudo action.
Only when people TIRE of the WINTEL Cabal enough to SEARCH for a replacement will the stranglehold they have be broken. Not before. Too many people aren't "there" yet.
Microsoft indeed hasn't segmented the market properly. There is NO NEED for more than one OS, if properly designed. Having 5-7 Versions all called the same thing is STUPID. It is just marketing drivel, designed to extract the most cash from the market.
To segment "Home" into "basic" and "premium" versions was idiotic. Same with the other segmentations.
I have no idea what architecture changes you find agreeable, but there is none that doesn't bring a whole slew of problems we don't have with XP.
And as I have learned, the market routes around problems, often building small ecosystems based upon those limitations. The reason why people LIKE xp is that those ecosystems are well defined and well known.
Vista, however, is going to require a whole new set of ecosystems designed to route around the huge problems. But right now, many people would rather just use XP, and not have to deal with Vista.
I'd make Windows Basic really cheap, but make network login and sharing an add-on, so that corporations who wanted to use it would pay something between the cost of Windows Basic and Windows Advanced, and feel like they're getting a deal.
Dude, you don't know what you're saying. Vista is the "Home" version, and XP is the corporate version. Most Corporates are STILL requesting XP, while the HOME user cannot even get it at Circuit Buy Depot Martco.
Home users care about all the glitz and gloss, where Corporate is just wanting it to run Office and Business Apps. They don't want DRM, UAC or any of the crap MS has bundled with vista. And don't even get me started on Vista Enterprise, and the requirement to have you're own DRM server(s) and have roaming laptops log into the server ever 30 days or stop working (and the extra tech support getting those systems functional).
There is a reason why corporate doesn't want Vista. It costs more!
You just exposed the whole left wing agenda against the "evil" corporations. Don't like Comcast, don't buy cable. Don't like DirectTV either, then don't buy it. Don't then complain because you have no ESPN either.
The problem with people like that, is that they want everything on their own terms, rather than the terms being offered.
The whole GIMME GIMME GIMME thing is getting old and tired.
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What kind of sandbox would you recommend for non-free applications between 10 and 95 [wikipedia.org] years old?
I don't care. I've learned that people hold onto things because they can, not because they need to.
Digital Packrats.
Besides, they could just VMware a DOS/Win98 session on a LINUX box and be done worrying. If it doesn't run on VMware, then it probably doesn't run on modern architecture anyway.
When people realize there are alternatives, they start to look for MORE of them. Firefox specifically is proving that one doesn't need MS to do normal activity. When no website "breaks" because one is using FF, they subtly say "wow". When they learn of new features (tabs) in IE and realize that those were available in FF long before MS got to them, they go "wow".
This would cause people to look at what they do, not what they use to do it, and see if what they need is available elsewhere.
The next big push should be OpenOffice. My kid comes in and shows me her "Powerpoint" (her words) and I know that I haven't put MS Office on her computer, then I point out that it isn't "PowerPoint" but a presentation. She realizes it isn't Microsoft Office and I now have someone who can tell her friends "I didn't use MS Office" (and she will too!).
When people realize they can surf the net (already there) and make "PowerPoints" and "Word Documents" and "Excel Spreadsheet", it will increase the options for discovering that one CAN get along quite nicely without Microsoft.
I've long said that 2007-8 is going to be the beginning of the end for MS. The writing is on the walls, it is just a matter of time before the whole thing collapses.
Which was my point: someone actually got credit for this "study"?
No, someone got PAID to do a study. There is something wrong when people want to quantify the obvious, to see just how "obvious" it is.
Reminds me of the Times article a while back "Men and Women ARE different!" ... like they just "discovered" it.
The crazy thing is, some people think it is "intellegent" to discover what everyone else "knows"
Or the next Secretary of State
They tried it with Vista and UAC; pop up a little 'fuck you' every time a program does something the Windows 95 paradigm. And they got raked over the coals for it.
AND rightly so. They should BREAK win85 paradigm and be DONE with it! And by "break" I mean "do not install this program, it isn't written right" kind of breaking.
Microsoft had and still has the ability to dictate to the market, and they should use that power to do things right.
Vista could have been lean mean awesome OS, if Microsoft took the approach that it was dropping everything that wasn't coded to WIN2K standards, and not the crap from before. They had 5 years to get applications re-written to work right.
The even could have created a virtual backwards compatibility mode where it ran such applications in a sandbox, away from the system internals.
But they didn't, they took a half assed approach trying to not piss on anyone, and in the process pissed on a whole bunch of people. And still have a broken model it is still trying to get away from.
beta quality to most new features
Beta quality is meaningless term now with Google in permanent "Beta" mode for many of its stuff.
If it is "Google Beta Quality" (tm) then who cares????
My biggest complainst are that I cannot get a static IP on my home wireless while getting DHCP everywhere else
why don't you configure YOUR wireless to give a STATIC IP via MAC address like me. Most WAPs can do this easily.
Often times it is "Something needs to be done. We're doing something. It needs to be done".
When someone does step forward, it is still not enough! Which is, ironically enough, why not enough people are willing TO step forward: too much criticism from the peanut gallery.
So, the only things that get done, are those things that suit one person's particular agenda enough not to listen to criticism.
Meh!
Clearly what you want is Mac OS X, not Linux. So use it instead of bitching that Linux isn't what you want.
If we choose Mac OS over Linux, the Linux fanboys will go nuts saying .... "Linux is just as good as Mac OS" or some such thing.
There is an unbelievable amount of "anything you can do, I can do better" elitism within the LINUX promoting crowd, to the point that it doesn't matter what is better, Linux is always better because of some ideological, and often non user, based point. Usually it comes down to "GPL" vs "non-free commercial".
The fact is, GPL (Or other OSS license) and what is functionally best are two separate points. Until the GPL zealots get off their high horses and realize that most people either don't care, or aren't technically proficient enough to work around the shortcomings.
Granted, LINUX is MUCH MUCH better than it was a few short years ago!! It is very usable for a vast majority of tasks, but some are NOT yet available. We should be working with the popular applications that are NOT native on Linux to try and help get them port over. It doesn't help when we criticize the users for using such applications when there is no alternative on Linux (or Mac as the case may be).
If I were writing an APPLICATION today, I'd write it to run under WINE specifically, and be done. We can KILL windows if we write to a WINE spec, because then the underlying OS doesn't matter.
Is that how you explain 85% + of certain race voting en masse for a certain party here in the US?
[quote]Also, a few idiots blaming the wrong people and threatening/committing violence does not equal "the Left". It equals a few idiots.[/quote]
Except, when those idiots are on the "right" and a leftist equates everyone with certain leanings as equivalent to the "few idiots".
Because everyone who believes in a deity, wants 2nd Amendment upheld and so on is nothing more than another "Tim McVey" or "David Duke".
I once had the pleasure of running for a College Political office with a nice guy, and some leftist didn't like our political views and said we were nothing more than the KKK. Which was a shock to the nice guy I just mentioned, who happened to be black. Said it was the first time in his life he was called a member of KKK.
It is easy to use racially charged terms casually, and without thinking. Of course one can call it a "few idiots" and you'd be right. It just seems like the "few idiots" are excused on the left more often, or how else does one explain Robert Bird?
In Neanderthal Russia, ... oh crap
Never mind
It isn't dead until Netcraft confirms it.
Of course you are right, but telling certain people they are wrong doesn't always work. People like this think everyone is just like them, so if you tell them that most people don't care (shock horror) it actually hits them where they do care, namely their ego.
So, by "pundits, commentators and so on" you mean one case. Got it.
and "still is" isn't quite accurate either, I totally forgot about it. And most idiots never even knew about it. I'm sure it is "huge" in the leftwing blogosphere like "theleftcoaster".
You need to get outside your bubble. It isn't nearly the story the left wanted it to be. Nobody cares, really!
Which commentators, pundits and so on? Left wing, right wing, balanced?
If you actually had evidence of this, it would be a huge story. But you don't. So you're nothing but a mindless droning troll.
I often wonder how posts like this get modded "insightful" when they should be modded incitement.
But being "upset" doesn't require any action beyond a temper tantrum, or a nasty email, or some other inconsequential pseudo action.
Only when people TIRE of the WINTEL Cabal enough to SEARCH for a replacement will the stranglehold they have be broken. Not before. Too many people aren't "there" yet.
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If there is a universe which doesn't have anyone to observe it, does it really exist?
Microsoft indeed hasn't segmented the market properly. There is NO NEED for more than one OS, if properly designed. Having 5-7 Versions all called the same thing is STUPID. It is just marketing drivel, designed to extract the most cash from the market.
To segment "Home" into "basic" and "premium" versions was idiotic. Same with the other segmentations.
I have no idea what architecture changes you find agreeable, but there is none that doesn't bring a whole slew of problems we don't have with XP.
And as I have learned, the market routes around problems, often building small ecosystems based upon those limitations. The reason why people LIKE xp is that those ecosystems are well defined and well known.
Vista, however, is going to require a whole new set of ecosystems designed to route around the huge problems. But right now, many people would rather just use XP, and not have to deal with Vista.
I'd make Windows Basic really cheap, but make network login and sharing an add-on, so that corporations who wanted to use it would pay something between the cost of Windows Basic and Windows Advanced, and feel like they're getting a deal.
Dude, you don't know what you're saying. Vista is the "Home" version, and XP is the corporate version. Most Corporates are STILL requesting XP, while the HOME user cannot even get it at Circuit Buy Depot Martco.
Home users care about all the glitz and gloss, where Corporate is just wanting it to run Office and Business Apps. They don't want DRM, UAC or any of the crap MS has bundled with vista. And don't even get me started on Vista Enterprise, and the requirement to have you're own DRM server(s) and have roaming laptops log into the server ever 30 days or stop working (and the extra tech support getting those systems functional).
There is a reason why corporate doesn't want Vista. It costs more!
What if he gets pregnant in prison?
Now that would be interesting!
You just exposed the whole left wing agenda against the "evil" corporations. Don't like Comcast, don't buy cable. Don't like DirectTV either, then don't buy it. Don't then complain because you have no ESPN either.
The problem with people like that, is that they want everything on their own terms, rather than the terms being offered.
The whole GIMME GIMME GIMME thing is getting old and tired.
Ha
But there's your error .... I need six cores just to keep up the the crap I'm running
One Core for Crapware
One Core for Anti Crapware
One Core for Virii
One Core for Antivirus
One Core for Applications
and
One Core to rule them all and bind them!
Corbomite is the best fictional doomsday device EVER!
It was a fictional device x 2. It was even fictional in the fictional story.