We can't do this in the US, because that means disenfranchisement of those people who are illiterate.
I'm sorry, but if you can't figure out how to vote, then maybe, just maybe you don't really need to vote.
Once upon a time people had to care about who they were voting for, enough to learn how to participate in the process. If you don't care enough to learn, why should we tailor a system that caters to your illiteracy?
If that is what people want, why not put pictures on the ballots like all the other illiterate countries do?
Sell them a copy of the data, the whole thing. That is what they get, they don't get access to your database, which I suspect is what you want to protect. You sell them a copy, and let them figure out how to get Oracle etc working for them.
Or, you can sell them that as a service as well.
In other words, your database is yours, not theirs. If they want direct access, you'll sell them a copy of it, and let them have at it.
The other option is to clone the database, and give them access to the cloned database. You keep and maintain the existing database away from them. If they screw up theirs, then they can buy another clone of yours.
If they are as bad as you seem to think, then it should be quite lucrative for you, keep selling pristine copies.
While the computers need to be taken off the books, that is accomplished by paperwork. There are computer re-furbishers and recyclers like the one listed above (a non-profit 501.c.3) that will take any and all computers as donations to be recycled or deployed to schools.
Usually the biggest pain is the stupid paperwork needed by the state to remove computers from inventory systems. They ought to just expire all computers from inventory after 5 years (or whatever), automatically.
Some of today's higher end laptops have easily removable Hard Drives (some multiple drives). It shouldn't take more than a minute or two to replace a functional secondary HD for Customs, and have the other drive tucked into your bag.
Though, they'll probably protest the phillips driver you'll have to carry to accomplish this, because you know that is a dangerous weapon.
CMS isn't the be all end all of website design. However, I can assure you that once you have a web developer develop a custom site, and then gets pissy on the customer, that the customer is screwed.
While it is possible for someone else to come in, and learn the code thats being used and fix the mess the customer is in, it is often such a steep learning curve that the only real solution is to rebuild the site using the new developer's tools of choice. Which leaves the customer in the exact same boat there were in the last time, at the mercy of the Developer.
I've been doing this a long time, and I can assure you that once the Developer leaves, it is difficult, often impossible, to have someone else manage the site. I've also been around long enough to see one company be screwed by three "web site developers" who got pissy when the customer didn't like something they did, and had an ego trip and leave. One even took the site down as she left, (all copyrights were hers).
I ended up replacing the site with a stock CMS application, explaining that anyone familiar with that app could take over for me at any time. They like that idea.
In the end, they did have to give up on one function the website used to have, but I've also added features that the other developers never dreamed of.
My point? It is a two way street. A good developer can make an awesome site, but if that person is hit by a car, or gets pissy, it can be just awful for the customer. And that happens more often than many would like to admit. Its all about trade offs, and what you value.
"I am wrong, how far off the mark do experienced Joomla users think I am?"
You're wrong. I develop websites for people using CMS (Joomla actually, but I've used Drupal and WebGUI which works just as well) and for rapid development of a decent looking site that the average person can manage the day to day operation (adding/changing content) it is fairly easy. I have one website where the only think I do is the technical side, adding capability, and the daily person is NOT a computer person at all.
Many hosting companies offer automatic installation and configuration of CMSes using cPanel (or other MGMT system). If a person needs help with cPanel, then they will need some technical support, but once the site is functioning, the average person CAN manage the content by themselves.
It takes me about 4 hours to fully setup a nice Joomla site, including changing the default template, adding all the various extensions needed etc. In fact, the plugins and modules for CMSes are why I use them. Find the right plugin, and bam you're done.
The average not to geeky person can easily do most things in CMSes.
Why not read every line, of every piece of code you compile, to make sure it wasn't tampered with?
Why not write your own code, code you review yourself and compile and maintain for your own use?
Unless you write, review, compile every piece of software source yourself, you have to trust someone to do at least one of them. At that point, you trust someone to do it for you, and you're already where your compaint lies. Its just that you don't realize it yet.
Compiling code you've never looked at is just as risky as trusting that someone to write the code for you. In fact, I suspect that the Debian Source would have compiled with the same problem, had you compiled it yourself.
So no, compiling from source (Debian) wouldn't have solved this problem, unless you could realize and fix the changes from the Debian Source and the Master Source yourself. But you didn't, someone else did.
As the other guys have stated, but stating it myself for clarity:
1) They shouldn't have messed with the NON-BROKEN Source (which every other distro uses), without testing it better.
2) I use whatever works, currently I have Ubuntu on my kids computers, Windows and SUSE and Mac OS and BSD at work. I'm more of a utilitarian; computers are nothing more than tools. Right tool for the job, makes all the difference in the world.
3) Reputations are hard to come by. Good ones are hard to maintain. I'm sorry for Debian, because they lost a tad bit of credibility on this one, in my book.
How about this, tubes tied, labor camps raising food (instead of illegal aliens), and as a last resort, prison. And if Prison doesn't work, then public execution?
Why should society pay for people who don't or can't learn to play by the rules?
And if someone wants to do something stupid, that requires medical care, then they should have insurance before they do it, or suffer the consequences of not being able to pay for their own stupidity.
Like the idiot popping a wheelie down my street who compound fractures his leg when he falls off his motorcycle. I have no sympathy for idiots.
Stupid should be painful. Sorry if you don't agree.
That's because society thinks it is better that they be dependent upon the care of society in general, than have to deal with the consequences of their poor choices.
How do you feel about underage sex? Abortions without parental consent?
The problem is, that these are dependent "children" when convenient for political purposes and fully functional people when that is convenient.
It is remarkable where we draw the line of responsibility. Things people at that age SHOULD be responsible for, they are not, and things which they have no idea about how to be responsible, they are.
I don't agree with compulsory education past about age 16. Not everyone wants or needs to go to college, and some should be going to college at 16 (like my kids do) instead of wasting time at the daycare system known as High School.
How about a three strikes provision against the *IAA (or equivalent) as well. This way, if they accuse falsely three times, they get tossed. Seems only fair to me.:-D
'You can paint this thing as either Big Brother, or this is a device that connects you to a buddy who wants to keep you safe and help you graduate.'"
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin
Freedom includes the right to screw up. Trying to protect people from themselves is the worst kind of tyranny. I only wish more people would realize this.
I use Windows Deployment Services (formerly Remote Installation Services/pre 2k3 sp2). Only Gotcha here is that you'll have to learn how to do Legacy Mode for XP.
Build a CD image slipstreamed with Driver Pack, use this image to build a WDS legacy mode Installer. You'll have to figure out the answer file used by WDS, and the peculiar stuff WDS has, as well as extract from the CD the proper OEMPnPSetup Path created by Driver Packs, from the proper file.
And using AD to deploy MSI files to computers...
It is a dream using this setup, F12 a couple of times (PXE boot) Type in Username/Password and walk away. When the computer is done loading/rebooting it is ready to use.
Implementation difficulty 8.5 (mostly due to MS WDS)
I don't use RISprep because I have had nothing but problems with it, but one of my colleagues swares by it for "lab" setups.
This is just an overview, and if you're halfway technical should be able to figure out the details from various online sources. If not, I can be hired to help further.
Because the people have been trained to believe "We're from the government, we're here to help" lie. Everytime you suggest Government is the solution to a problem, you reinforce this lie!
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We can't do this in the US, because that means disenfranchisement of those people who are illiterate.
I'm sorry, but if you can't figure out how to vote, then maybe, just maybe you don't really need to vote.
Once upon a time people had to care about who they were voting for, enough to learn how to participate in the process. If you don't care enough to learn, why should we tailor a system that caters to your illiteracy?
If that is what people want, why not put pictures on the ballots like all the other illiterate countries do?
Sell them a copy of the data, the whole thing. That is what they get, they don't get access to your database, which I suspect is what you want to protect. You sell them a copy, and let them figure out how to get Oracle etc working for them.
Or, you can sell them that as a service as well.
In other words, your database is yours, not theirs. If they want direct access, you'll sell them a copy of it, and let them have at it.
The other option is to clone the database, and give them access to the cloned database. You keep and maintain the existing database away from them. If they screw up theirs, then they can buy another clone of yours.
If they are as bad as you seem to think, then it should be quite lucrative for you, keep selling pristine copies.
NYCL to the rescue?
http://www.computersforclassrooms.org/
While the computers need to be taken off the books, that is accomplished by paperwork. There are computer re-furbishers and recyclers like the one listed above (a non-profit 501.c.3) that will take any and all computers as donations to be recycled or deployed to schools.
Usually the biggest pain is the stupid paperwork needed by the state to remove computers from inventory systems. They ought to just expire all computers from inventory after 5 years (or whatever), automatically.
Some of today's higher end laptops have easily removable Hard Drives (some multiple drives). It shouldn't take more than a minute or two to replace a functional secondary HD for Customs, and have the other drive tucked into your bag.
Though, they'll probably protest the phillips driver you'll have to carry to accomplish this, because you know that is a dangerous weapon.
CMS isn't the be all end all of website design. However, I can assure you that once you have a web developer develop a custom site, and then gets pissy on the customer, that the customer is screwed.
While it is possible for someone else to come in, and learn the code thats being used and fix the mess the customer is in, it is often such a steep learning curve that the only real solution is to rebuild the site using the new developer's tools of choice. Which leaves the customer in the exact same boat there were in the last time, at the mercy of the Developer.
I've been doing this a long time, and I can assure you that once the Developer leaves, it is difficult, often impossible, to have someone else manage the site. I've also been around long enough to see one company be screwed by three "web site developers" who got pissy when the customer didn't like something they did, and had an ego trip and leave. One even took the site down as she left, (all copyrights were hers).
I ended up replacing the site with a stock CMS application, explaining that anyone familiar with that app could take over for me at any time. They like that idea.
In the end, they did have to give up on one function the website used to have, but I've also added features that the other developers never dreamed of.
My point? It is a two way street. A good developer can make an awesome site, but if that person is hit by a car, or gets pissy, it can be just awful for the customer. And that happens more often than many would like to admit. Its all about trade offs, and what you value.
"But I want to know if he can run.. err.. fly.. Linux!"
I swear, I thought Penguins could fly! (my apologies to WKRP)
See Item #1 on my list.
"I am wrong, how far off the mark do experienced Joomla users think I am?"
You're wrong. I develop websites for people using CMS (Joomla actually, but I've used Drupal and WebGUI which works just as well) and for rapid development of a decent looking site that the average person can manage the day to day operation (adding/changing content) it is fairly easy. I have one website where the only think I do is the technical side, adding capability, and the daily person is NOT a computer person at all.
Many hosting companies offer automatic installation and configuration of CMSes using cPanel (or other MGMT system). If a person needs help with cPanel, then they will need some technical support, but once the site is functioning, the average person CAN manage the content by themselves.
It takes me about 4 hours to fully setup a nice Joomla site, including changing the default template, adding all the various extensions needed etc. In fact, the plugins and modules for CMSes are why I use them. Find the right plugin, and bam you're done.
The average not to geeky person can easily do most things in CMSes.
1) Good luck Collecting
... Good
... is this good?
2) Spammers get nailed
3) MySpace wins
Just my initial thoughts.
Why stop with just compiling source?
Why not read every line, of every piece of code you compile, to make sure it wasn't tampered with?
Why not write your own code, code you review yourself and compile and maintain for your own use?
Unless you write, review, compile every piece of software source yourself, you have to trust someone to do at least one of them. At that point, you trust someone to do it for you, and you're already where your compaint lies. Its just that you don't realize it yet.
Compiling code you've never looked at is just as risky as trusting that someone to write the code for you. In fact, I suspect that the Debian Source would have compiled with the same problem, had you compiled it yourself.
So no, compiling from source (Debian) wouldn't have solved this problem, unless you could realize and fix the changes from the Debian Source and the Master Source yourself. But you didn't, someone else did.
Your point is kind of moot, isn't it?
Does Microsoft blend?
As the other guys have stated, but stating it myself for clarity:
1) They shouldn't have messed with the NON-BROKEN Source (which every other distro uses), without testing it better.
2) I use whatever works, currently I have Ubuntu on my kids computers, Windows and SUSE and Mac OS and BSD at work. I'm more of a utilitarian; computers are nothing more than tools. Right tool for the job, makes all the difference in the world.
3) Reputations are hard to come by. Good ones are hard to maintain. I'm sorry for Debian, because they lost a tad bit of credibility on this one, in my book.
It shouldn't need fixing in the first place.
Debian people screwed up. This leaves a huge distaste in my mouth for Debian (and Ubuntu).
Right, because slippery slopes always work out.
How about this, tubes tied, labor camps raising food (instead of illegal aliens), and as a last resort, prison. And if Prison doesn't work, then public execution?
Why should society pay for people who don't or can't learn to play by the rules?
And if someone wants to do something stupid, that requires medical care, then they should have insurance before they do it, or suffer the consequences of not being able to pay for their own stupidity.
Like the idiot popping a wheelie down my street who compound fractures his leg when he falls off his motorcycle. I have no sympathy for idiots.
Stupid should be painful. Sorry if you don't agree.
Dir Sir,
I did, and all the people wanted was someone promising them the moon, which I expressly said I wasn't going to do.
So what the people want, is exactly what they get.
Thanks
That's because society thinks it is better that they be dependent upon the care of society in general, than have to deal with the consequences of their poor choices.
How do you feel about underage sex?
Abortions without parental consent?
The problem is, that these are dependent "children" when convenient for political purposes and fully functional people when that is convenient.
It is remarkable where we draw the line of responsibility. Things people at that age SHOULD be responsible for, they are not, and things which they have no idea about how to be responsible, they are.
I don't agree with compulsory education past about age 16. Not everyone wants or needs to go to college, and some should be going to college at 16 (like my kids do) instead of wasting time at the daycare system known as High School.
I'd suggest that this law not be so one sided.
:-D
How about a three strikes provision against the *IAA (or equivalent) as well. This way, if they accuse falsely three times, they get tossed. Seems only fair to me.
Exactly! Bravo!
'You can paint this thing as either Big Brother, or this is a device that connects you to a buddy who wants to keep you safe and help you graduate.'"
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Benjamin Franklin
Freedom includes the right to screw up. Trying to protect people from themselves is the worst kind of tyranny. I only wish more people would realize this.
Regarding the link you provided, the terminology used in SYSPREP and RIS is very similar and it uses a lot of the same formats. It is a good overview.
I would also recommend you look at
http://www.highwaycsl.com/IT/Whitepapers/W2003SP2WDS.pdf
Which is WDS specific. I haven't looked at everything in the PDF, but it looks like it covers most things well enough.
Good luck
I use Windows Deployment Services (formerly Remote Installation Services/pre 2k3 sp2). Only Gotcha here is that you'll have to learn how to do Legacy Mode for XP.
...
DO NOT setup WDS in Native Mode.
I also slipstream with instructions found here:
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_sp2_slipstream.asp
Along with Driver Packs http://driverpacks.net/
Build a CD image slipstreamed with Driver Pack, use this image to build a WDS legacy mode Installer. You'll have to figure out the answer file used by WDS, and the peculiar stuff WDS has, as well as extract from the CD the proper OEMPnPSetup Path created by Driver Packs, from the proper file.
And using AD to deploy MSI files to computers
It is a dream using this setup, F12 a couple of times (PXE boot) Type in Username/Password and walk away. When the computer is done loading/rebooting it is ready to use.
Implementation difficulty 8.5 (mostly due to MS WDS)
Usability difficulty 1
(Scale 1 easy, 10 difficult)
I don't use RISprep because I have had nothing but problems with it, but one of my colleagues swares by it for "lab" setups.
This is just an overview, and if you're halfway technical should be able to figure out the details from various online sources. If not, I can be hired to help further.
Good Friday was a month or so ago
Because the people have been trained to believe "We're from the government, we're here to help" lie. Everytime you suggest Government is the solution to a problem, you reinforce this lie!