It prevents 'other people' from RESTRICTING you from using it. If YOU are those 'other people', it prevents you from preventing other people from using it. Actually this is where you are wrong. If the source is available, then you can use the software anyway you want. Once the source is open and free, any and all restrictions on it have gone.
If I've taken the time and effort to make a nice product using a bunch of pieces of software, and include some of my own, and package it up, sealed and ready for the end user, including code to prevent modification, exactly how am I restricting your use of that same GPL2 code, if I give you the source for all the GPL2 code?
The only think I'm restricting is you modifying the code, and running in on the device I created. You can use the same code, make a similar device and use the code all you want. The code is free, your use is not restricted except for the product I created (and you bought).
If you don't like the terms, don't buy a Tivo, take the Tivo software and make your own and hack that. After all, you have all the GPL2 code in your hands, you should be able to DIY, should you not?
This is nothing more than whiney cry babies wanting to run home with the ball because the game isn't going their way.
Since I've been modded "troll" already, and since you've taken at least a civil enough tone, I'll try to clarify what I mean.
Free is Freedom, except for people with whom the FSF and RMS disagree with on whatever principle they're trying to stand on. Much of the additions to the GPL from v2 to v3 have to do with issues arising from how certain people USED GPLv2 software. The likes of RMS have political ax to grind, and it shows up in the GPL3.
If I recall correctly certain parts of the GPL were written expressly to privide a certain "lockout" (ie prevent hacking) of a particular device. While the code was provide under GPL v2 for all the GPL2 software, someone didn't like that they couldn't hack it up like they wanted.
This isn't about "free" code (it was available) it was more about how someone figured out a way to keep control over the free code in the device they were selling.
If you want code open, then let it be open. If you want to control how or who uses your code, then don't make it free. At least be intellectually honest about it. The result of GPL3 is exactly the same as a EULA that restricts who and how software is run.
In this case, RMS is wrong. If RMS was truly about "Free" as in "freedom" he would have chosen BSD style license, which has even less restrictions. I even go further and will predict to you that GPL4 will be even more restrictive as people figure out ways around the restrictions of GPL3 that RMS doesn't like. Care to make a wager?
[quote]Competition is so 20th century. In the Bush era, we've learned that the purpose of government is to give corporations whatever they want.[/quote]
Actually, if you think about it more closely, Bush actually has given everyone what they wanted, well just about anyways. He hasn't vetoed a thing yet (that I can recall).
Just put it in front of him, and he'll agree to it.
Now where is my Congress Critter, I need to get an earmark or two sent my way.
Uh huh. You realize that by saying Republicans, you're actually suggesting that the Democrats (only real people who could pull that off) are as evil as many of us suspect they are, by silencing anyone who criticizes them.
The real answer is probably Libertarian Party, which pisses off both (D) and (R) types.
I estimate that if you chipped the soldiers overseas, at least 20% of the US population would get chips just to show their support! You'll also get all the uber-chrisitans and the uber-leftist/anarchists together for the first time, proving that politics makes strange bedfellows.
So, what you're saying is that spam clogging your network doesn't cost you anything. Great, you're not allowed to complain about spam at all anymore. Ever!
And I've been doing Email longer than you, and still am doing it. Spam is easily filtered yes, and managing email isn't hard, yes. The statement provided was as follows
There's no excuse to outsource something like email. The answer, yes there is an excuse, even if you continue to deny it. That excuse is costly bandwidth usage by Spam. If I can re-route that bandwidth to someone else, for no cost to me, and my customer prefers it and doesn't mind... then why not? Because of some sort of "geek cred"?
There's no excuse to outsource something like email. Yes, there is. Just because you can't think of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
I can fully manage an email server, and have done so since near the beginning. However, I would rather NOT have to spend any time dealing with customer's spam questions OR the overhead of Spam on my network.
One of the things that most people are annoyed with, is valuable bandwidth being eaten by Spam. If I can offload this to GOOGLE, for nothing, it is a cost savings to me. I can provide more and better service to my customer base. It means I don't have to have one machine dedicated to email because of the volume of spam coming in.
You see, it isn't about "Geek Cred" for me. I've been there, done that, I don't need any more "cred". It is about service to my customers, and GOOGLE provides better service (Web, IMAP, POP3), and offloads congestion to their own network... for free.
I suspect you've never had to deal with real paying customers for your living, especially when you think it is all about Geekdom.
1) I'm not worried 2) Even if I was worried, there is nothing I can do about it 3) It is going to happen more and more 4) No law is going to prevent people from doing immoral or unethical things. 5) People who think laws will protect them are fools. Only You can protect yourself.
You see, man can't rule himself, let alone others. There was this guy some 2000 years ago, who by most accounts did absolutely nothing wrong, and they (man, men, govnmt etc) had him executed.
If they could kill him, then they can kill anyone. They can trump up charges, and don't need a law to make something illegal to do it.
Which brings me to my point. The only thing you can do to stop this is when it happens to you, you go and kill the bastard that is trying to kill you first.
See the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. Tyrants love an unarmed, unorganized populace.
People who are more afraid of my guns more than the tyrants who are plundering them actively are idiots. In the days of old, theft was met by lethal force, by the owner.
If it is okay for two people of the same sex to be married, why not the same for three people (or more)??
Now, apply whatever argument you have against plural marriages back on Gay Marriage and see if you still agree.
I haven't seen a single argument against plural marriage that doesn't also apply to gays (and, btw, straight marriages as well).
Quite frankly, I have no idea what the government has to do with marriage anyways, as it is a a sacred (traditionally) ceremony.
And I'm one of those religious nutballs that most Slashdottians rail against. Personally, I think we should also get rid of seven day weeks, all "holidays", while getting mail on weekends. I want all government offices open seven days a week, because weekends were originally sacred (religious) in nature.
You see, I'm ALL FOR the secular government to start acting secular, and get the hell out of my faith.
The article isn't terribly specific about which nitrogen compounds react to the spray, only providing a couple of examples. If I worked in my garden 5 days before a flight, am I going to get Tazed by TSA because I didn't eliminate every last speck of fertilizer from my clothes? There, fixed your question for ya. Your welcome!
When do we head to Boston and Ctrl-Alt-Delete this out-of-control government? You get a chance every two, four or six years, depending upon who you're looking at.
Now, if you keep voting for (D) or (R) and expect things to be different, you're clinically insane! Both of those parties are for bigger government, just differ on which parts to make bigger.
Between the two of them, both sides are getting the big government they want, while bemoaning the big government they don't want. Convenient.
Want to make a difference? Send a statement you don't like who is running. I don't like BHO anymore than JMC, and as far as I can tell, neither one is going to do anything but screw this country more!
SO, what is the acceptable penalty/deterrent for this crap? Because whatever we got now, it isn't working.
Funny thing, most people say "that won't work", but are unwilling to even try. I'm sorry, but I guarantee you that if we get a couple of dozen hackers hacked up, machete style, it will be a deterrent.
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If I've taken the time and effort to make a nice product using a bunch of pieces of software, and include some of my own, and package it up, sealed and ready for the end user, including code to prevent modification, exactly how am I restricting your use of that same GPL2 code, if I give you the source for all the GPL2 code?
The only think I'm restricting is you modifying the code, and running in on the device I created. You can use the same code, make a similar device and use the code all you want. The code is free, your use is not restricted except for the product I created (and you bought).
If you don't like the terms, don't buy a Tivo, take the Tivo software and make your own and hack that. After all, you have all the GPL2 code in your hands, you should be able to DIY, should you not?
This is nothing more than whiney cry babies wanting to run home with the ball because the game isn't going their way.
Since I've been modded "troll" already, and since you've taken at least a civil enough tone, I'll try to clarify what I mean.
Free is Freedom, except for people with whom the FSF and RMS disagree with on whatever principle they're trying to stand on. Much of the additions to the GPL from v2 to v3 have to do with issues arising from how certain people USED GPLv2 software. The likes of RMS have political ax to grind, and it shows up in the GPL3.
If I recall correctly certain parts of the GPL were written expressly to privide a certain "lockout" (ie prevent hacking) of a particular device. While the code was provide under GPL v2 for all the GPL2 software, someone didn't like that they couldn't hack it up like they wanted.
This isn't about "free" code (it was available) it was more about how someone figured out a way to keep control over the free code in the device they were selling.
If you want code open, then let it be open. If you want to control how or who uses your code, then don't make it free. At least be intellectually honest about it. The result of GPL3 is exactly the same as a EULA that restricts who and how software is run.
In this case, RMS is wrong. If RMS was truly about "Free" as in "freedom" he would have chosen BSD style license, which has even less restrictions. I even go further and will predict to you that GPL4 will be even more restrictive as people figure out ways around the restrictions of GPL3 that RMS doesn't like. Care to make a wager?
the GPL 3 license is NOT free software. It significantly restricts CERTAIN people from using it, thus is clearly NOT FREE.
GPL 3 is nothing more than anti corporate licensing, and has significantly diminished us all.
BSD is truly free license, and GPL 2 closely follows. GPL 3 is a huge step backwards, IMHO.
[quote]Competition is so 20th century. In the Bush era, we've learned that the purpose of government is to give corporations whatever they want.[/quote]
Actually, if you think about it more closely, Bush actually has given everyone what they wanted, well just about anyways. He hasn't vetoed a thing yet (that I can recall).
Just put it in front of him, and he'll agree to it.
Now where is my Congress Critter, I need to get an earmark or two sent my way.
Uh huh. You realize that by saying Republicans, you're actually suggesting that the Democrats (only real people who could pull that off) are as evil as many of us suspect they are, by silencing anyone who criticizes them.
The real answer is probably Libertarian Party, which pisses off both (D) and (R) types.
what the hell is "Augmented reality"??
The only thing I could come up with is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg_(Star_Trek)>this
Is it "more real than real"?
Or is it just the latest buzzword to describe something nobody has thought of yet?
I'm completely stumped, really I am.
The Cake is a LIE!
(but then again so is the pie)
THE PIE IS A LIE!!!!!
Wow, that would be an interesting protest.
Dear TJX,
We're the Slashdot community, and would like you to meet Ms Barbara Streisand, who can help you with your media relations problem.
Yours Truly,
Slashdot Community.
And I've been doing Email longer than you, and still am doing it. Spam is easily filtered yes, and managing email isn't hard, yes. The statement provided was as follows There's no excuse to outsource something like email. The answer, yes there is an excuse, even if you continue to deny it. That excuse is costly bandwidth usage by Spam. If I can re-route that bandwidth to someone else, for no cost to me, and my customer prefers it and doesn't mind
I have better things to worry about.
If that is the case, I'll patent
I can fully manage an email server, and have done so since near the beginning. However, I would rather NOT have to spend any time dealing with customer's spam questions OR the overhead of Spam on my network.
One of the things that most people are annoyed with, is valuable bandwidth being eaten by Spam. If I can offload this to GOOGLE, for nothing, it is a cost savings to me. I can provide more and better service to my customer base. It means I don't have to have one machine dedicated to email because of the volume of spam coming in.
You see, it isn't about "Geek Cred" for me. I've been there, done that, I don't need any more "cred". It is about service to my customers, and GOOGLE provides better service (Web, IMAP, POP3), and offloads congestion to their own network
I suspect you've never had to deal with real paying customers for your living, especially when you think it is all about Geekdom.
1) I'm not worried
2) Even if I was worried, there is nothing I can do about it
3) It is going to happen more and more
4) No law is going to prevent people from doing immoral or unethical things.
5) People who think laws will protect them are fools. Only You can protect yourself.
You see, man can't rule himself, let alone others. There was this guy some 2000 years ago, who by most accounts did absolutely nothing wrong, and they (man, men, govnmt etc) had him executed.
If they could kill him, then they can kill anyone. They can trump up charges, and don't need a law to make something illegal to do it.
Which brings me to my point. The only thing you can do to stop this is when it happens to you, you go and kill the bastard that is trying to kill you first.
See the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. Tyrants love an unarmed, unorganized populace.
People who are more afraid of my guns more than the tyrants who are plundering them actively are idiots. In the days of old, theft was met by lethal force, by the owner.
If it is okay for two people of the same sex to be married, why not the same for three people (or more)??
Now, apply whatever argument you have against plural marriages back on Gay Marriage and see if you still agree.
I haven't seen a single argument against plural marriage that doesn't also apply to gays (and, btw, straight marriages as well).
Quite frankly, I have no idea what the government has to do with marriage anyways, as it is a a sacred (traditionally) ceremony.
And I'm one of those religious nutballs that most Slashdottians rail against. Personally, I think we should also get rid of seven day weeks, all "holidays", while getting mail on weekends. I want all government offices open seven days a week, because weekends were originally sacred (religious) in nature.
You see, I'm ALL FOR the secular government to start acting secular, and get the hell out of my faith.
oh snap!
I'm not an idiot, I just play one on Slashdot! UGGHHH
Now, if you keep voting for (D) or (R) and expect things to be different, you're clinically insane! Both of those parties are for bigger government, just differ on which parts to make bigger.
Between the two of them, both sides are getting the big government they want, while bemoaning the big government they don't want. Convenient.
Want to make a difference? Send a statement you don't like who is running. I don't like BHO anymore than JMC, and as far as I can tell, neither one is going to do anything but screw this country more!
I'm not voting for either.
Embrace (where we are now)
Extend (aka 'break')
Extinguish (where we'll end up)
Nuff said
Oh Waaaaa, Rub some dirt in it!
Its a cookbook!!!!!!!
This is my friend Slashdot. I don't think you've met before; we don't read articles and we make wild speculations based upon collective ignorance.
SO, what is the acceptable penalty/deterrent for this crap? Because whatever we got now, it isn't working.
Funny thing, most people say "that won't work", but are unwilling to even try. I'm sorry, but I guarantee you that if we get a couple of dozen hackers hacked up, machete style, it will be a deterrent.
Guaranteed!
Public Executions.
public torture and maiming are also acceptable solutions.
Liar