I think the companies that are having but not using are actually good. Often times, having a patent prevents others from getting one. If the folks way back when had patented hyperlinks etc, BT would not have a leg to stand on.
The trick is to keep patents out of the hands of companies that have a sole business model on litigation. They end up stifling forward progress in their attempts to make $$$.
I'd like to add that it's unfair to the companies involved if they allow individuals to take these tests.
Positive results means the individual gets to load up on life insurance and health insurance, in essense defrauding the insurance company and raising premiums for everyone. If everyone knows the facts, then everyone can agree on a contract.
There is no "sancitity of profits" as people like to keep on saying. Insurance companies do compete, and the DO go out of business, though there is probably room for improvment along the line.
Finally, insurance stats are stats you can trust. These folks make a business keeping good stats, literally. They make them as UNBAISED as possible. If gay blacks turned out to never get cancer, you can bet they'd lower their premiums to that group to attract more of them. Next time you see an activist group touting some hard to beleive numbers, take a look at a set of numbers that you can trust. These evil corporate numbers that have formed the basis of health studies for years. No if they'd get with the tech program and make coverage as simple as ording books from Amazon, THAT would be progress.
The story of this story. Tim Purdue is on the secret VA Linux corporate phoneline to the Slashdot geek compound:
TP "Hey there guys, been working on doing some cross promotion."
Hemos "No way dude, these open source freaks get all high and mighty when they see the hand of money meddling."
TP "No problem, I was looking over the alogrithem we use to determine which projects are hot and which are not. An important component of the matrix is number of bits downloaded"
Hemos "I see, let me what I can do."
Seeing as this is the only explanation other than insanity, you KNOW it must be true.
Are the editors of slashdot getting a little antsy trying to slashdot servers?
I my download dialog box is correct, you just posted a link on the frontpage to a 1,000 Meg file (aka 1G). Ignoring the cost (which if people DO deceide to download this would be considerable), this doesn't seem like a terribly nice thing to do. And anyone willing to download a 1G file just to watch an award being given is really out of their minds.
Why not post a file 1/10th this size? Consider this a call for someone to shrink this down to something that makes sense.
I think that for many users, the legal issues (ie, can we modify and redistribute without MS) will really matter.
Otherwise it is much riskier making an investment in the technology because a company can wipe that out by ending support on a platform you target for example, and you as business would have no recourse if outhers are not allowed to continue to develop on that platform. Open source makes good business sense as well feeling pretty good.
If Microsoft can deliver on a *cross-platform* solution.
If.NET handles the 30 odd languages they claim to support, with easy extendability for more.
If they make.NET a standard, allow others to freely innovate on it (with none of the licensing restrictions Sun likes to impose to keep companies like IBM in line).
If they can make sure.NET really is vendor neutral, so shipping the.NET foundation is not like shipping the JVM which is little more than a commercial Sun product.
Then HECK YEAH, I'll take an open, free, extendible, cross-platform platform any day, especially if it ships with millions of Windows machines, has solid development tools, and is available on the platforms I like to use such as the Debian standard install (not a non-free directory).
I think from a technical perspective the.NET platform fulfiles the promise of Java, and with things like SOAP Microsoft may indeed get the benefits of going truly open with their platform. That promise is still as exciting as when Sun made it so long ago. Finally, I can see no reason that.NET won't support Java, and C# offers a reasonable alternative from a techinical perspective.
Narrator: "In their ongoing battle to slashdot sites out of existance, CmdrTaco and his minions, Jamie and Timothy find themselves in a dire predicament."
CT: "That linux.com.au site seems to be holding up very well. Any ideas men?"
Jamie: "This business is getting harder and harder. How can we see our power manifested unless we can slashdot some sites. Don't they know who they are dealing with?"
CT: "Obviously not. Our only solution is to post the link again."
Timothy: "Wait commander, won't the hordes of lemmings who read the page more than once a day realize that you posted the same story twice? They won't beleive it."
CT: "You're right, a bit too obvious. Why don't YOU post the story."
Jamie: "Excellent idea, then, when they are slashdoted, I can post a story claiming they were CENSORED."
Narrator: "Meanwhile, far from the geek compound in homes and NOC's across the world, geeks and wannabe geeks experience a strong sense of deja-vu, and wonder at the effects gallons of Jolt has injested while sitting a climate controlled room. The ones who realize what is going on on the other hand are a bit quicker in the future to minimize slashdot when their PHB's walk by."
I guess if the good discussion has already happened, we should just have some fun.
It boggles my mind that they have people with story posting power who don't read the frontpage. Do they really understand what is going on? Where they hired because of their great skills? Or are these story moderators friends and family, I'll equipped to post? Thoughts?
How I wish facts where checked (or at least read) before this stuff gets posted to slashdot. Can we get an UPDATE on this?
"And here's a heavily abridged list of the sites that cannot be accessed via AboveNet, or any of the other providers who use the RBL -- just a few of the sites on just one blacklisted Class C:"
MAPS does not block web sites. If your looking for something to be an activist over, pick something worthwhile and get your facts straight.
Voluntary opinions, no thugs at your door or lawyers involved. It appears that the authors solution to Spam is to get rid of organizations like MAPS and bring in something better. Either it'll be a group like OFTEL in the UK which caves in to everyone, or it will be legislation and lawyers and all the rest (and fat chance of those laws passing).
Thank goodness MAPS is sticking to their guns in the face of the legal crap they are forced to deal with, and now the half-though out (MAPS does NOT block packets, web access, etc, it blocks mail) ravings of this lunatic. Go over their and donate some money to them and work to create a better internet.
I for one like that a few people with a vision are sticking to their guns. They don't like spam and are working to stop it. If you don't like spam, use the FREE product they offer, if you do like spam signup at hotmail.com and disable the RBL on you account and you will be flooded.
Frankly, unless you've got a better solution, and are actually spending the time to do it, shut up. I'm tired of hearing armchair quarterbacking by people who are probably sitting in their armchairs. Especially if it is attacking one of the few effective tools to combat spam.
So right on to Vixie and the rest of the crew at MAPS. You've got an opinion which you share on a list, and we can all choose to follow it or not.
Can somone pick a day and time that might serve as a good moment to show up.
For some of us, attending a multi-day event can't be justified, but I'd be happy to drive down one day to get together with a few folks and make our voices heard loudly and clearly.
Why in the world doesn't slashdot run the passwords thru a one way hash. If they did, NONE of our accounts would have been comprimised, except for those who picked a password that could be brute forced.
Any thoughts? Kinda disapointing.
I'd like to see you drop "mangled" microsoft packets into the bit bucket. Your boss who is now unable to access the net will be super excitied to hear about IPv6.
You don't get it.
What is to prevent them from adding a few extra flags that only are useful on windows based networks while maintaining backwards compatablility.
That's the whole point of embrace and extend. Add a few flags to kerberos so that while other clients can connect, no one can run the server side of it. Same thing can happen here. Still will work with everyone, but install those "extensions" and you get some extra features (the frontpage extension nightmere).
Forwarded, forwarded and forwarded again. Sales forwards to technical support forwards to sales. PGP has no problems, no there are no alternatives to PGP.
If anyone else thinks they will have better luck give them a call at 888-347-3925, would love to hear their perspective.
This marks the return in a way of a company that really was pioneering back before it got sucked up by AOL, and it is great to see them releasing again. I can remember sending in my $10 registration fee for the early version of Winamp, probably one of the few peices of software I paid for. It was nag free and great, and still in use on every college campus though its been loaded down with enough secured (usually some publishers pipe dream) formats to sink a ship.
A couple of notes. These are super usefull little utilites, the installer being really nice for open source developers on the windows platform. Definatly a right on to justin.
With the same effort behind Gnutella that powered Winamp, I think it stood a good chance of becoming the defacto file-sharing software out there, the guys at Nullsoft can deliver nice, usefull, tools for the masses. Its a shame not to see it live up to its initial promise.
Its interesting. In the end you die. Would you rather spend your life being making some money and working a job, or having fun and changing the world? The irony is in the end the people out having the fun for no pay will end up just fine financially. Its nice to see some the later spirit back into a company that introduced MP3's to the world.
I can see it now, the bandwidth throttled/Gnutella/Freenet/Beowulf/SGI NUMA cluser. Yeah:)
The proof is in the pudding. I think C# will do extremly well on ALL platforms.
I'm not hiding behind ignorance. Neither am I interested in "Java is totally cross-platform. You don't think so? Then you don't use it.. nuff said." The point is, if you did use it, you'd become frustrated by its INCOMPATABILTIES across different platforms and enviroments. We can both make this same argument, and it proves nothing. It's the weak and easy way out. And irrespective of java's cross platform abilites, or lack therof, you miss the point.
Open standards are more than simply cross platform compatability. That's the fundemental issue that you and many others don't understand. If the linux kernel ran on the same number of platforms it does now, but was owned and licensed by some group, would it be the same thing? Give it some thought. For me the answer is no.
We'e on different pages here, I see what Microsoft is going trying to do with C#, and I think it is the right goal. I'll take good ideas and technology where I can find them.
Slashdot Mirror
The trick is to keep patents out of the hands of companies that have a sole business model on litigation. They end up stifling forward progress in their attempts to make $$$.
I'd like to add that it's unfair to the companies involved if they allow individuals to take these tests.
Positive results means the individual gets to load up on life insurance and health insurance, in essense defrauding the insurance company and raising premiums for everyone. If everyone knows the facts, then everyone can agree on a contract.
There is no "sancitity of profits" as people like to keep on saying. Insurance companies do compete, and the DO go out of business, though there is probably room for improvment along the line.
Finally, insurance stats are stats you can trust. These folks make a business keeping good stats, literally. They make them as UNBAISED as possible. If gay blacks turned out to never get cancer, you can bet they'd lower their premiums to that group to attract more of them. Next time you see an activist group touting some hard to beleive numbers, take a look at a set of numbers that you can trust. These evil corporate numbers that have formed the basis of health studies for years. No if they'd get with the tech program and make coverage as simple as ording books from Amazon, THAT would be progress.
TP "Hey there guys, been working on doing some cross promotion."
Hemos "No way dude, these open source freaks get all high and mighty when they see the hand of money meddling."
TP "No problem, I was looking over the alogrithem we use to determine which projects are hot and which are not. An important component of the matrix is number of bits downloaded"
Hemos "I see, let me what I can do."
Seeing as this is the only explanation other than insanity, you KNOW it must be true.
I my download dialog box is correct, you just posted a link on the frontpage to a 1,000 Meg file (aka 1G). Ignoring the cost (which if people DO deceide to download this would be considerable), this doesn't seem like a terribly nice thing to do. And anyone willing to download a 1G file just to watch an award being given is really out of their minds.
Why not post a file 1/10th this size? Consider this a call for someone to shrink this down to something that makes sense.
Otherwise it is much riskier making an investment in the technology because a company can wipe that out by ending support on a platform you target for example, and you as business would have no recourse if outhers are not allowed to continue to develop on that platform. Open source makes good business sense as well feeling pretty good.
Can you cite something that shows it won't be multiplatform? Or are you speculating?
If .NET handles the 30 odd languages they claim to support, with easy extendability for more.
If they make .NET a standard, allow others to freely innovate on it (with none of the licensing restrictions Sun likes to impose to keep companies like IBM in line).
If they can make sure .NET really is vendor neutral, so shipping the .NET foundation is not like shipping the JVM which is little more than a commercial Sun product.
Then HECK YEAH, I'll take an open, free, extendible, cross-platform platform any day, especially if it ships with millions of Windows machines, has solid development tools, and is available on the platforms I like to use such as the Debian standard install (not a non-free directory).
I think from a technical perspective the .NET platform fulfiles the promise of Java, and with things like SOAP Microsoft may indeed get the benefits of going truly open with their platform. That promise is still as exciting as when Sun made it so long ago. Finally, I can see no reason that .NET won't support Java, and C# offers a reasonable alternative from a techinical perspective.
Narrator: "In their ongoing battle to slashdot sites out of existance, CmdrTaco and his minions, Jamie and Timothy find themselves in a dire predicament."
CT: "That linux.com.au site seems to be holding up very well. Any ideas men?" Jamie: "This business is getting harder and harder. How can we see our power manifested unless we can slashdot some sites. Don't they know who they are dealing with?"
CT: "Obviously not. Our only solution is to post the link again." Timothy: "Wait commander, won't the hordes of lemmings who read the page more than once a day realize that you posted the same story twice? They won't beleive it."
CT: "You're right, a bit too obvious. Why don't YOU post the story."
Jamie: "Excellent idea, then, when they are slashdoted, I can post a story claiming they were CENSORED."
Narrator: "Meanwhile, far from the geek compound in homes and NOC's across the world, geeks and wannabe geeks experience a strong sense of deja-vu, and wonder at the effects gallons of Jolt has injested while sitting a climate controlled room. The ones who realize what is going on on the other hand are a bit quicker in the future to minimize slashdot when their PHB's walk by."
I guess if the good discussion has already happened, we should just have some fun.
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/01/21/161722 6&mode=thread
It boggles my mind that they have people with story posting power who don't read the frontpage. Do they really understand what is going on? Where they hired because of their great skills? Or are these story moderators friends and family, I'll equipped to post? Thoughts?
Grow up, and get a life.
I say the same thing. Go donate to their LDF!
See?
Please try this traceroute yourself.
PayPal
and donate some money to their LDF. I have, and so should you. With MAPS you get a clear benefit as well as knowing your doing the right thing.
"And here's a heavily abridged list of the sites that cannot be accessed via AboveNet, or any of the other providers who use the RBL -- just a few of the sites on just one blacklisted Class C:" MAPS does not block web sites. If your looking for something to be an activist over, pick something worthwhile and get your facts straight.
Thank goodness MAPS is sticking to their guns in the face of the legal crap they are forced to deal with, and now the half-though out (MAPS does NOT block packets, web access, etc, it blocks mail) ravings of this lunatic. Go over their and donate some money to them and work to create a better internet.
Frankly, unless you've got a better solution, and are actually spending the time to do it, shut up. I'm tired of hearing armchair quarterbacking by people who are probably sitting in their armchairs. Especially if it is attacking one of the few effective tools to combat spam.
So right on to Vixie and the rest of the crew at MAPS. You've got an opinion which you share on a list, and we can all choose to follow it or not.
For some of us, attending a multi-day event can't be justified, but I'd be happy to drive down one day to get together with a few folks and make our voices heard loudly and clearly.
Why in the world doesn't slashdot run the passwords thru a one way hash. If they did, NONE of our accounts would have been comprimised, except for those who picked a password that could be brute forced. Any thoughts? Kinda disapointing.
Haha...
I'd like to see you drop "mangled" microsoft packets into the bit bucket. Your boss who is now unable to access the net will be super excitied to hear about IPv6.
You don't get it.
What is to prevent them from adding a few extra flags that only are useful on windows based networks while maintaining backwards compatablility.
That's the whole point of embrace and extend. Add a few flags to kerberos so that while other clients can connect, no one can run the server side of it. Same thing can happen here. Still will work with everyone, but install those "extensions" and you get some extra features (the frontpage extension nightmere).
If anyone else thinks they will have better luck give them a call at 888-347-3925, would love to hear their perspective.
Your missing is. See the comment down lower
For those bumping around in the dark looking for the source code to these guys, during the install you can check to add the sourcecode.
A couple of notes. These are super usefull little utilites, the installer being really nice for open source developers on the windows platform. Definatly a right on to justin.
With the same effort behind Gnutella that powered Winamp, I think it stood a good chance of becoming the defacto file-sharing software out there, the guys at Nullsoft can deliver nice, usefull, tools for the masses. Its a shame not to see it live up to its initial promise.
Its interesting. In the end you die. Would you rather spend your life being making some money and working a job, or having fun and changing the world? The irony is in the end the people out having the fun for no pay will end up just fine financially. Its nice to see some the later spirit back into a company that introduced MP3's to the world.
I can see it now, the bandwidth throttled/Gnutella/Freenet/Beowulf/SGI NUMA cluser. Yeah :)
The proof is in the pudding. I think C# will do extremly well on ALL platforms.
I'm not hiding behind ignorance. Neither am I interested in "Java is totally cross-platform. You don't think so? Then you don't use it.. nuff said." The point is, if you did use it, you'd become frustrated by its INCOMPATABILTIES across different platforms and enviroments. We can both make this same argument, and it proves nothing. It's the weak and easy way out. And irrespective of java's cross platform abilites, or lack therof, you miss the point.
Open standards are more than simply cross platform compatability. That's the fundemental issue that you and many others don't understand. If the linux kernel ran on the same number of platforms it does now, but was owned and licensed by some group, would it be the same thing? Give it some thought. For me the answer is no.
We'e on different pages here, I see what Microsoft is going trying to do with C#, and I think it is the right goal. I'll take good ideas and technology where I can find them.
I'd recommend honing up those C# skills.