Look, you're reading way too much into what I said, which is essentially fence and gate is a vague term. but fine, if you want to go for legal minimums then don't be surprised when they're shit and ineffective, if you want to do something better you can. None of it is a substitute for proper supervision and once a kid is big enough to be able to swim it becomes a lot less of an issue anyway. And we're not even talking about kids determined to get past, you added that, this was about young children accidentally falling in and anyway, unless the fence is right be edge of the pool it doesn't really do the same thing this alarm thingy does so it's not even relevant.
Well if that was the case why would the whole thing stop working and not just the new previously uncalled for bit and again why is it apple having this 'problem' for a second time?
Isn't that what your 2nd amendment rights are supposed to be for? To oppose tyrannical government or whatever? Get them 2A boners out there in a well regulated militia to get the job done.
Maybe, but this isn't killing fingerprint sensing, it's killing all touch so basically making the phone useless rather than nixing a security feature because it can't verify whatever. They've taken something that was working and applied software to make it not work. This has nothing to do with security and everything to do with petty greed.
Not counting the $150 you've already paid. So really you get a max of 2 screens for $200 3/4 of which you're required to pay even if you never break a thing? Fucking bargain!
Apple care coverage doesn't cover user broken. Screens , water damage or actually much at all. I've yet to get Apple to explain to me precisely what the warranty gives me not already covered under Australian mandatory lifetime warranties
The answer will be very little if not nothing. Like most big companies they will do they absolute minimum they are mandated by law to do but they will hope you don't know they're legally required and try to make out they're doing you a favour.
On the other hand, Apple (like any other manufacturer) tests updates with hardware they sell. They can't test every combination out there. I don't think they're doing it intentionaly, they just didn't test it, because they don't sell those screens
Yes, because you always hear of various android phones bricking after updates because they didn't test every possible combination except you don't because that's not what's happening, apple are telling it to look for a flag only they can set and if its not there then no iphone for you because even though you bought it, it's still theirs and they can and will fuck you over for not using their overpriced repair scheme, this isn't even the first time they've done this.
I know man, apple should make it so no other charger other than the one with their premium on top should work, at all, and no off brand usb wires either, oh no, we can't be having that now. Why not go the whole hog and put chips in their cases, then when the phone detects it's in an off brand case they can shut the whole show down. Sounds completely reasonable to me.
Well get some taller fences. For fucks sake though you're missing my point entirely which is that fence and gate is pretty vague term rather than they are kid proof. For all you know my pool could be surrounded by a 12ft razor wire electrified chainlink fence with a remotely controlled airlock style gate for entry if I really wanted to keep people out. Not that I even have a pool but that's moot.
Well, until he's about 5ft tall or gets a copy of the key I think we'll be fine and by that time he'll be big enough to deal with falling in a swimming pool. The point was though that saying fence and gate runs a wide gamut of security, both a farmers field and prison have gates and fences.
That must be why they get to get away with selling the same specs for years at a time and having virtually no way to upgrade or make your machine better?
People buy Apple for a few reasons. Hardware, ease of use with the UI, and security are probably the big three.
Fuck off. Their hardware is overpriced, not good and idiots can't tell the difference, maybe pretty, but not good.. The UI is only good if that's all you've used and security through obscurity is well and truly done for them, especially as they want all your data on their cloud nowadays.
When I first read the summary the first thing that went through my mind is the Super Freakenomics book mentions children are more likely to die from falling in a swimming pool than accidental gun death at home.
How about the sum of accidental and deliberate gun death?
But be sure to subtract the suicides if you want a useful number.
Surely suicide counts under the deliberate column?
You can't class it as funding because its not from a funding source and its not dependable. It would technically fund the increase cost of dealing with the additional costs incurred of dealing with their shit. The money would stop coming in the moment apple sort their shit out and they might not notice 16k a month but you can bet your ass the 911 department would who you apparently think its perfectly fine to have to deal with it with no questions asked.
I was obviously referring to shooting massacres. No one is saying taking away guns takes away violence. It can do nothing to stop bombings/stabbings/beatings/etc and the odd nutter like Ralph Moats gets through and kids and adults do get stabbed in school (which is so rare every one makes front page national news) but still. You tot up the amount of people who have been shot in the UK since guns were banned and compare it against people shot in america this year because really, this only concerns guns.
You're the one who extrapolated, no one said anything about using fines to fund shit. The idea is to issue fines to cover the increased cost of dealing with whatever fuckup someone is causing you to have to deal with not to pay for everything. It probably should be a criminal thing but guess what, you can't send a company to prison or the people unless they've committed separate distinct crimes so guess what the punishment will be, a fucking fine. If they don't wanna pay the fines, stop calling 911 all the fucking time. Wrap the room phones are piled in a signal blocker of some kind or stop stacking the phones on top of each other when turned on so they can dial each other, I'm sure they could figure something out if they really tried. Apple are causing a problem and they seem to expect someone else to sort it out because they can't be arsed and have so much money people don't seem the think it's worth the bother unless it's at least a billion bucks.
Typical statist. You aren't really interested in a solution, you just like the idea of using fines to fund shit...
Don't be surprised when one day someone decides to use you to fund something, via insane fines..
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If your actions are costing others then fuck yeah they can fine your ass to pay for it. Apple are the one making the problem. until they fix it they can pay for it. What takes the piss is people saying oh there's no point they won't notice it anyway so they might as well do nothing.
Yeah, and I suppose communists burnt down the Reichstag? Anyway, the point remains the earth is scientifically provably not flat, the others don't have that. Even their official lines conflict themselves or are missing lots of information thus giving rise to the space for conspiracies. Flatards don't have that space but they occupy it anyway.
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Look, you're reading way too much into what I said, which is essentially fence and gate is a vague term. but fine, if you want to go for legal minimums then don't be surprised when they're shit and ineffective, if you want to do something better you can. None of it is a substitute for proper supervision and once a kid is big enough to be able to swim it becomes a lot less of an issue anyway. And we're not even talking about kids determined to get past, you added that, this was about young children accidentally falling in and anyway, unless the fence is right be edge of the pool it doesn't really do the same thing this alarm thingy does so it's not even relevant.
Don't worry I won't, likewise don't make out it's cheap when it's not.
Well if that was the case why would the whole thing stop working and not just the new previously uncalled for bit and again why is it apple having this 'problem' for a second time?
Isn't that what your 2nd amendment rights are supposed to be for? To oppose tyrannical government or whatever? Get them 2A boners out there in a well regulated militia to get the job done.
Maybe, but this isn't killing fingerprint sensing, it's killing all touch so basically making the phone useless rather than nixing a security feature because it can't verify whatever. They've taken something that was working and applied software to make it not work. This has nothing to do with security and everything to do with petty greed.
Not counting the $150 you've already paid. So really you get a max of 2 screens for $200 3/4 of which you're required to pay even if you never break a thing? Fucking bargain!
Apple care coverage doesn't cover user broken. Screens , water damage or actually much at all. I've yet to get Apple to explain to me precisely what the warranty gives me not already covered under Australian mandatory lifetime warranties
The answer will be very little if not nothing. Like most big companies they will do they absolute minimum they are mandated by law to do but they will hope you don't know they're legally required and try to make out they're doing you a favour.
On the other hand, Apple (like any other manufacturer) tests updates with hardware they sell. They can't test every combination out there. I don't think they're doing it intentionaly, they just didn't test it, because they don't sell those screens
Yes, because you always hear of various android phones bricking after updates because they didn't test every possible combination except you don't because that's not what's happening, apple are telling it to look for a flag only they can set and if its not there then no iphone for you because even though you bought it, it's still theirs and they can and will fuck you over for not using their overpriced repair scheme, this isn't even the first time they've done this.
I know man, apple should make it so no other charger other than the one with their premium on top should work, at all, and no off brand usb wires either, oh no, we can't be having that now. Why not go the whole hog and put chips in their cases, then when the phone detects it's in an off brand case they can shut the whole show down. Sounds completely reasonable to me.
Well get some taller fences. For fucks sake though you're missing my point entirely which is that fence and gate is pretty vague term rather than they are kid proof. For all you know my pool could be surrounded by a 12ft razor wire electrified chainlink fence with a remotely controlled airlock style gate for entry if I really wanted to keep people out. Not that I even have a pool but that's moot.
Well that depends entirely on the type of fence now doesn't it.
Well, until he's about 5ft tall or gets a copy of the key I think we'll be fine and by that time he'll be big enough to deal with falling in a swimming pool. The point was though that saying fence and gate runs a wide gamut of security, both a farmers field and prison have gates and fences.
Shit, I've been doing it every few years!
Because fuck you, that's why.
But the hardware is sure as hell not mediocre.
That must be why they get to get away with selling the same specs for years at a time and having virtually no way to upgrade or make your machine better?
People buy Apple for a few reasons. Hardware, ease of use with the UI, and security are probably the big three.
Fuck off. Their hardware is overpriced, not good and idiots can't tell the difference, maybe pretty, but not good.. The UI is only good if that's all you've used and security through obscurity is well and truly done for them, especially as they want all your data on their cloud nowadays.
Ha, yes the old gate and fence.
A gate and fence are no match for a determined child.
Ah, that explains how my toddler manages to escape the garden all the time, oh wait no it doesn't because the gate and fence very much contain him.
When I first read the summary the first thing that went through my mind is the Super Freakenomics book mentions children are more likely to die from falling in a swimming pool than accidental gun death at home.
How about the sum of accidental and deliberate gun death?
But be sure to subtract the suicides if you want a useful number.
Surely suicide counts under the deliberate column?
You can't class it as funding because its not from a funding source and its not dependable. It would technically fund the increase cost of dealing with the additional costs incurred of dealing with their shit. The money would stop coming in the moment apple sort their shit out and they might not notice 16k a month but you can bet your ass the 911 department would who you apparently think its perfectly fine to have to deal with it with no questions asked.
I was obviously referring to shooting massacres. No one is saying taking away guns takes away violence. It can do nothing to stop bombings/stabbings/beatings/etc and the odd nutter like Ralph Moats gets through and kids and adults do get stabbed in school (which is so rare every one makes front page national news) but still. You tot up the amount of people who have been shot in the UK since guns were banned and compare it against people shot in america this year because really, this only concerns guns.
You're the one who extrapolated, no one said anything about using fines to fund shit. The idea is to issue fines to cover the increased cost of dealing with whatever fuckup someone is causing you to have to deal with not to pay for everything. It probably should be a criminal thing but guess what, you can't send a company to prison or the people unless they've committed separate distinct crimes so guess what the punishment will be, a fucking fine. If they don't wanna pay the fines, stop calling 911 all the fucking time. Wrap the room phones are piled in a signal blocker of some kind or stop stacking the phones on top of each other when turned on so they can dial each other, I'm sure they could figure something out if they really tried. Apple are causing a problem and they seem to expect someone else to sort it out because they can't be arsed and have so much money people don't seem the think it's worth the bother unless it's at least a billion bucks.
I'm not implying it wouldn't, but only if fixing the problem costs less than just paying.
Business 101.
Typical statist. You aren't really interested in a solution, you just like the idea of using fines to fund shit...
Don't be surprised when one day someone decides to use you to fund something, via insane fines..
Asshole
If your actions are costing others then fuck yeah they can fine your ass to pay for it. Apple are the one making the problem. until they fix it they can pay for it. What takes the piss is people saying oh there's no point they won't notice it anyway so they might as well do nothing.
Yeah, and I suppose communists burnt down the Reichstag? Anyway, the point remains the earth is scientifically provably not flat, the others don't have that. Even their official lines conflict themselves or are missing lots of information thus giving rise to the space for conspiracies. Flatards don't have that space but they occupy it anyway.