Also, one thing to note may be that by necessity there could be more documentation about Linux online than there is about MS products (lack of paper manuals for ISO downloaders, etc. could be reasons), which would lead to more hits for Linux-related pages. Still, it's interesting.
Yes it is, but I doubt that it's clear that there is more documentation for linux than for MS products.
What we should consider is the linux howtos are mirrored a bazillion times throughout the internet, while in MS's case a lot of documentation is concentrated at support.microsoft.com or other microsoft sites.
A search for "linux networking howto" yields 2770 hits for instance.
Did you go to their website?
As far as I see they just want to create an abstraction layer for the different gui toolkits in python. Even for text and html.
I think this is very neat and definatly not NIH.
Do you really think germans are fairly nationalistic? Being myself a german I am a little bit surprised, I always thought we were less patriotic (I prefer that word) than most other countries.
I myself dont't prefer one over the other, as long as national feelings don't really become nationalism.
Uhh, and disciplined, that I can deny for myself;-)
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You should really do it. Look also at the free downloadable postgresql book, which you can also buy. IIRC its from Bruce Momjian(sp?), one of the main developers (if not _the_ main developer) of postgres. Very informative and straightforward that book, also always compares postgres' features agains standard SQL features, so this book is good, even if you don't use it for postgres.
The tone on the postgres mailing lists is one of the friendliest and most constructive I know of.
This is not quite true, it's more like they exactly play these games (while not ideologically motivated) more than some gnu software. gpl + "pay-for-commercial-closed-source-use" is more fsf-style than lgpl I think, in that it encourages you to use gpl for your software.
OTOH, the where the parent poster now sees "licencing issues" escapes me. I think he is just confused.
How brave of you to critizise Warwick anonymously.
I've known Warwick for a number of years and I'm proud to work with him. He's one of the most brilliant programmers I've ever met. He has made enormous contributions bringing Qt to where it is today.
Warwick didn't write QCom or QTableView.
I probably top the list of Qt programmers whose code has been either rewritten or obsoleted.
Haavard Nord
CEO, Trolltech
wow,
i wish more people had a CEO like you,
this is a very nice gesture.
And I guess you're not an impersonator;-)
reread what I wrote, learn something about physics, and come back...
Hint, try to figure out how the 44.1 kHz sampling rate might work with a 80kHz sinus wave. A paper and a pen works. Then try to grasp why I wrote "sets an upper limit".
And don't call others silly on the basis of an electronic marketing brochure, sheeesh.
ugh,
first, I doubt that a cd is 128kbps, it's more like 150kBps (notice the _big_ b, *Byte*).
The measured data rate (150 kB/s, 128kb/s) is always about the "streaming" rate, i.e. the packed mp3/ogg stream, which makes this difference clear (otherwise we wouldn't really compress, would we?).
Perhaps you confused it with 44,1kHz, which is a cd fixum and indeed sets an upper limit on frequencies which can encoded on a audio cd?
However, do you truly believe that drug companies and scientists who get up every morning and work hard to come up with these new drugs are evil ?
As for the scientists, I don't know why you mention them, they may be evil, they may be good, they are morally on the same ground as everyone else is. I didn't say anything about them.
Now the companies, well they are neither evil nor good, they are amoral in the fundamentel meaning of the word.
Companies are profitable or unprofitable, and their determination is to be as profitable as possible - in a true capitalistic economy, many states' constitutions in fact impose a little bit more in that determination, but let's leave it at that.
No, I think that we, as consumers, don't get of our lazy asses and provide companies with the feedback that acting as if they were good (which they per definition can't really be) is economically advantageous.
Do you believe that our ability to develop advanced drugs is directly related to slavery and death rates of people in 3rd world countries ?
No, I don't believe that, I'm neither anticapitalistic nor against technical progress. I'm not an american, and when I compare the outcry in my country after sep 11 to incindents like bhopal and other incidents, I realize how blind we as western people seem to be to suffering in 3rd world countries.
Just compare the money which will be spend in order to eradicate bin ladens organization to the money spend for development aid. Why do western states now give 600.000.000$ for food for the afghan people to prevent mass starving, and didn't do it before?
Does someone really think that this money wouldn't have been necessary anyway (without american air strikes) to prevent enourmous suffering? It just wouldn't have been spended.
In other words, if it weren't for us and our riches, would these poor people have better lives ? No, and if it hadn't been for the allies in 1933-1942, the jews in germany wouldn't have been better of, too (yeah, I know Goodwin's Law). What kind of argument is that?
Nowhere I did talk about "bearing the blame". Uuups, small correction, I did, but not in the context you said. I just meant to make clear that this hatred I presumed needs not to be attributed to "bad things we did", rather to things we don't do, to sum it up: we don't care.
No, apparently you've been miseducated. Sorry to say that, but you seem to have a problem with reading. Nowhere I did talk about "bearing the blame".
I also didn't imply any blame for things like bhopal.
But - and this is just a matter of fact - our countries could do a lot more to help, our industry could do a lot more to not amplify suffering. If you don't believe this, go and reread the above interview, esp. the part about patents for drugs and the role of the WTO.
This is the case for example in Africa, where infection rates are astonishing. We are working on a compulsory license application in South Africa. Right now more than half of pregnant women in their 20s are testing positive for HIV. They will all die without access to medicines. What type of government would put the interests of patent owners above the interests of half a generation of mothers?
The US government, and the government of the vast majority of the other industrial countries (actually I don't know any exception).
We should be ashamed when we read things like that (I am, although I knew this before, but I'm ashamed every time I'm reminded to such things). No I'm don't want to justify sep 11 events and I strongly abominate them - and I don't like the urge I feel that it's necessary to assure this in any critical statement nowadays - but we (the "developed" nations) sacrify a lot of lives for out wealth, day to day, year to year.
Go to www.bhopal.org, especially here and here,here or here (I choose one random example here, to add to the drug thingy) and wonder with me why we as western people can yet go to so many countries in the world and be welcomed, while every dark skinned, muslimic looking man in our countries gets looked like he will soon begin to kill people.
The typical theme of critizing the united states for their past politics is far to easy for western citizens. No, we all as a big group of people bear the blame for much of the hatred against us, because of our way of living. We amuse ourselfes on a gigantic pile of nearly world wide misery.
Sorry, this post isn't loaded with facts, sometimes I just get a little depressed and have to rant.
I knew that the following URI might be of relevance here and wanted to post it anyway. Makes much more sense if it might help someone.
You wrote:
I'm starting to see the same calls with the IE users, for some odd reason. It doesn't appear to be server side with them...
Look at this mess (which surely relates to your post), throw some activedesktop in the mix, and we'll see that the salon article has really relevance, which might just increase in the future.
This stuff can be a great vehicle for MS to push their own applications on the user.
MS in reality gives a shit about MIME types, file extensions and what action the user wants to associate to them.
Take a look at this baby, ibm's new power4. They are putting two 1GHz-cores on one proc. My uninformed opinion is that apple should have gone with IBM instead of motorola.
Btw. Microprocessor Report is a cool, professional magazine and if you browse around their site you'll get a good overview of what's out there in the world of cpu's besides P IVs and thunderbirds.
- bin laden is not an afghani, he is (was) a citizen of Saudi-Arabia. They revoke his citizen status this week btw.
- most (allmost all) afghans hate bin laden and his (non-afghani) minions. The buddha statues were destroyed after bin ladens organisation had that idea, these statues had nearly sanctuary status for the afghans. Same with that leader of the northern coalition, (mussad iirc) was a hero for nearly all afghans, he archieved great admiration by the people for his fight agains the russians - bin laden killed him.
So bin laden is not sitting in his open limousine, driving through kabul while the masses cheer.
If one is to make such ludicrous claims, it is apparent to me that they have gone out of thier way to push an agenda, regardless of factual basis.
Obviously you didn't even read the post accurate up to the sender.
It was me the whole time! Your he is me.
And you have an offensive way of discussing, you're mis-stating (sp?) things most of the time - I gave examples to everything in my post.
What should I do?
Should I cite a certain document? ok, done.
To be true, I just browsed your comment history and found out that you seem reasonable. That's why I don't want you to dismiss arguments because you think there's an agenda behind it. I'm writing this from IE here which I think does the best job for my work. I control who gets to use what system in our company and everyone can use the os he wants - everyone uses windows - and it' s ok. I have no agenda, but I don't trust microsoft, securitywise and otherwise.
Did I say pirating and selling and imitating, or warezing?
Why should any home user need the fucking holograph?
To pin it on a wall in his restroom?
How hard is it to warez a software from a company which uses so ingenious serials like
111-11111
123-45678
throughout the entire product line (back in the days of office 97 IIRC)
Yes, ms did try to go against mass-piracy, but they didn't do anything against pirated software for home users.
Really guys - what if Microsoft is learning from the beating they're taking from Linux, and really want to play nice? Instead of loosing the rockets at them, maybe we should put aside our mistrust of the Redmond gang - ever so slightly - and take a serious look at working with them.
But you can't really believe that, can you?
I'll try to be conservative with what I say and analyze this MS that we all now:
ms has 95%+ market share in desktop os's.
ms has 98%+ market share in office apps.
ms has 95%+ market share in browsers
(let that be 90% or 99%, whatever you feel better with).
In the last 5 years Microsoft has extended/held that share by
price dumping (free browser)
price dumping (preinstalled os)
price dumping (silently tolerating warez and making warezing ms-products easy)
market pressure by artificially introducting a "critical mass" factor via incompability, i.e. proprietary protocols (kerberos, office-formats, activex as browser components, vb-script, hidden win32 api-calls, dumping java, dumping plugin-api, dumping realplayer codecs)
1., 2., 3. will not help them anymore, instead they will stop and are already stopping using this tactics, because they simply can cash in more. They don't gain a dime when the 95%+ of ms-user simply stay with win95,98,nt,2000 and even XP.
On the other hand they must find a way to
get existing userbase to change OS
simultaneously prevent existing userbase to change to non-ms operating systems.
Add to that that ms has to fear that their capability to "innovate" might not be as competitive as it perhaps once was, because there are hungry companies/developer communities out there to get them (sun/staroffice, kde, gnome, linux etc.). Plus the fact that the territory where one can "innovate" is shrinking. That indicates that the consumer software market is going to a market where the price is the main selling point - because "real" (needed) features will be more and more omnipresent in all offers.
For instance, the only important "feature" that MS-office has that star-office hasn't is, well, it's msoffice (file compability) - see point 4 above.
MS has everything to loose if it opens up it's protocols and API's and it has everything to loose if it doesn't. But the second alternative at least gives them a chance to win - and win big time. As for the first alternative - an "open".net will in the end give a way to interoperate with everything they have, it would crush their stranglehold to every market.
So, we don't even need to go into details where they pretended to play fair before and didn't (html, xml, soap, kerberos) or where there is talk that they will kill existing interoperability (CIFS), I think it's clear they can't play fair.
No, it uses some silly ie/outlook security hole which allows for automatic execution of files (via browser). Funny thing is this - as I read - also works with the windows 98/ME/2000 active desktop preview feature, i.e. just _one_ click on the virus and you've lost.
Take a look at www.guninski.com for which vulnerabilities this worm might exploit, it seems a virus writer nowadays doesn't need to marter his brain doing machine code buffer overflows if he targets ms-products.
Slashdot Mirror
Also, one thing to note may be that by necessity there could be more documentation about Linux online than there is about MS products (lack of paper manuals for ISO downloaders, etc. could be reasons), which would lead to more hits for Linux-related pages. Still, it's interesting.
Yes it is, but I doubt that it's clear that there is more documentation for linux than for MS products.
What we should consider is the linux howtos are mirrored a bazillion times throughout the internet, while in MS's case a lot of documentation is concentrated at support.microsoft.com or other microsoft sites.
A search for "linux networking howto" yields 2770 hits for instance.
Did you go to their website?
As far as I see they just want to create an abstraction layer for the different gui toolkits in python. Even for text and html.
I think this is very neat and definatly not NIH.
Do you really think germans are fairly nationalistic? Being myself a german I am a little bit surprised, I always thought we were less patriotic (I prefer that word) than most other countries.
;-)
I myself dont't prefer one over the other, as long as national feelings don't really become nationalism.
Uhh, and disciplined, that I can deny for myself
You should really do it. Look also at the free downloadable postgresql book, which you can also buy. IIRC its from Bruce Momjian(sp?), one of the main developers (if not _the_ main developer) of postgres. Very informative and straightforward that book, also always compares postgres' features agains standard SQL features, so this book is good, even if you don't use it for postgres.
The tone on the postgres mailing lists is one of the friendliest and most constructive I know of.
This is not quite true, it's more like they exactly play these games (while not ideologically motivated) more than some gnu software. gpl + "pay-for-commercial-closed-source-use" is more fsf-style than lgpl I think, in that it encourages you to use gpl for your software.
OTOH, the where the parent poster now sees "licencing issues" escapes me. I think he is just confused.
How brave of you to critizise Warwick anonymously.
I've known Warwick for a number of years and I'm proud to work with him. He's one of the most brilliant programmers I've ever met. He has made enormous contributions bringing Qt to where it is today.
Warwick didn't write QCom or QTableView.
I probably top the list of Qt programmers whose code has been either rewritten or obsoleted.
Haavard Nord
CEO, Trolltech
wow,
i wish more people had a CEO like you,
this is a very nice gesture.
And I guess you're not an impersonator
(yeah, moderator) score -1, offtopic
How about:
Send someone to Pakistan to use a normal phone.?
Use a walky talky (radio) to talk to someone in pakistan who will phone?
whatever
reread what I wrote, learn something about physics, and come back...
Hint, try to figure out how the 44.1 kHz sampling rate might work with a 80kHz sinus wave. A paper and a pen works. Then try to grasp why I wrote "sets an upper limit".
And don't call others silly on the basis of an electronic marketing brochure, sheeesh.
ugh,
first, I doubt that a cd is 128kbps, it's more like 150kBps (notice the _big_ b, *Byte*).
The measured data rate (150 kB/s, 128kb/s) is always about the "streaming" rate, i.e. the packed mp3/ogg stream, which makes this difference clear (otherwise we wouldn't really compress, would we?).
Perhaps you confused it with 44,1kHz, which is a cd fixum and indeed sets an upper limit on frequencies which can encoded on a audio cd?
However, do you truly believe that drug companies and scientists who get up every morning and work hard to come up with these new drugs are evil ?
As for the scientists, I don't know why you mention them, they may be evil, they may be good, they are morally on the same ground as everyone else is. I didn't say anything about them.
Now the companies, well they are neither evil nor good, they are amoral in the fundamentel meaning of the word.
Companies are profitable or unprofitable, and their determination is to be as profitable as possible - in a true capitalistic economy, many states' constitutions in fact impose a little bit more in that determination, but let's leave it at that.
No, I think that we, as consumers, don't get of our lazy asses and provide companies with the feedback that acting as if they were good (which they per definition can't really be) is economically advantageous.
Do you believe that our ability to develop advanced drugs is directly related to slavery and death rates of people in 3rd world countries ?
No, I don't believe that, I'm neither anticapitalistic nor against technical progress. I'm not an american, and when I compare the outcry in my country after sep 11 to incindents like bhopal and other incidents, I realize how blind we as western people seem to be to suffering in 3rd world countries.
Just compare the money which will be spend in order to eradicate bin ladens organization to the money spend for development aid. Why do western states now give 600.000.000$ for food for the afghan people to prevent mass starving, and didn't do it before?
Does someone really think that this money wouldn't have been necessary anyway (without american air strikes) to prevent enourmous suffering? It just wouldn't have been spended.
In other words, if it weren't for us and our riches, would these poor people have better lives ?
No, and if it hadn't been for the allies in 1933-1942, the jews in germany wouldn't have been better of, too (yeah, I know Goodwin's Law). What kind of argument is that?
Nowhere I did talk about "bearing the blame".
Uuups, small correction, I did, but not in the context you said. I just meant to make clear that this hatred I presumed needs not to be attributed to "bad things we did", rather to things we don't do, to sum it up: we don't care.
Sorry, you've been miseducated.
No, apparently you've been miseducated. Sorry to say that, but you seem to have a problem with reading. Nowhere I did talk about "bearing the blame".
I also didn't imply any blame for things like bhopal.
But - and this is just a matter of fact - our countries could do a lot more to help, our industry could do a lot more to not amplify suffering. If you don't believe this, go and reread the above interview, esp. the part about patents for drugs and the role of the WTO.
This is the case for example in Africa, where infection rates are astonishing. We are working on a compulsory license application in South Africa. Right now more than half of pregnant women in their 20s are testing positive for HIV. They will all die without access to medicines. What type of government would put the interests of patent owners above the interests of half a generation of mothers?
The US government, and the government of the vast majority of the other industrial countries (actually I don't know any exception).
We should be ashamed when we read things like that (I am, although I knew this before, but I'm ashamed every time I'm reminded to such things). No I'm don't want to justify sep 11 events and I strongly abominate them - and I don't like the urge I feel that it's necessary to assure this in any critical statement nowadays - but we (the "developed" nations) sacrify a lot of lives for out wealth, day to day, year to year.
Go to www.bhopal.org, especially here and here,here or here (I choose one random example here, to add to the drug thingy) and wonder with me why we as western people can yet go to so many countries in the world and be welcomed, while every dark skinned, muslimic looking man in our countries gets looked like he will soon begin to kill people.
The typical theme of critizing the united states for their past politics is far to easy for western citizens. No, we all as a big group of people bear the blame for much of the hatred against us, because of our way of living. We amuse ourselfes on a gigantic pile of nearly world wide misery.
Sorry, this post isn't loaded with facts, sometimes I just get a little depressed and have to rant.
I knew that the following URI might be of relevance here and wanted to post it anyway. Makes much more sense if it might help someone.
...
You wrote:
I'm starting to see the same calls with the IE users, for some odd reason. It doesn't appear to be server side with them
Look at this mess (which surely relates to your post), throw some activedesktop in the mix, and we'll see that the salon article has really relevance, which might just increase in the future.
This stuff can be a great vehicle for MS to push their own applications on the user.
MS in reality gives a shit about MIME types, file extensions and what action the user wants to associate to them.
Hi Rik,
do you plan to implement webdav and do you know if there's a corresponding client for kde? Can konqui handle it?
* may be conditioned on payment of reasonable, non-discriminatory royalties or fees;
Yeah,
just like some company, which created a new technology with a nice pricing policy and at least one well known founder.
One wonders if they have a patent pending.
Take a look at this baby, ibm's new power4. They are putting two 1GHz-cores on one proc. My uninformed opinion is that apple should have gone with IBM instead of motorola.
Btw. Microprocessor Report is a cool, professional magazine and if you browse around their site you'll get a good overview of what's out there in the world of cpu's besides P IVs and thunderbirds.
Add to that that
- bin laden is not an afghani, he is (was) a citizen of Saudi-Arabia. They revoke his citizen status this week btw.
- most (allmost all) afghans hate bin laden and his (non-afghani) minions. The buddha statues were destroyed after bin ladens organisation had that idea, these statues had nearly sanctuary status for the afghans. Same with that leader of the northern coalition, (mussad iirc) was a hero for nearly all afghans, he archieved great admiration by the people for his fight agains the russians - bin laden killed him.
So bin laden is not sitting in his open limousine, driving through kabul while the masses cheer.
You forgot
3a) Make sure threre's always an exit option
This is what will the whole thing very complicated.
If one is to make such ludicrous claims, it is apparent to me that they have gone out of thier way to push an agenda, regardless of factual basis.
Obviously you didn't even read the post accurate up to the sender.
It was me the whole time! Your he is me.
And you have an offensive way of discussing, you're mis-stating (sp?) things most of the time - I gave examples to everything in my post.
What should I do?
Should I cite a certain document? ok, done.
To be true, I just browsed your comment history and found out that you seem reasonable. That's why I don't want you to dismiss arguments because you think there's an agenda behind it. I'm writing this from IE here which I think does the best job for my work. I control who gets to use what system in our company and everyone can use the os he wants - everyone uses windows - and it' s ok. I have no agenda, but I don't trust microsoft, securitywise and otherwise.
The poster was suggesting that MS was flooding the market on purpose by letting mass-piracy takes place. I'm saying, that's BS
Yeah, exactly
Did I say pirating and selling and imitating, or warezing?
Why should any home user need the fucking holograph?
To pin it on a wall in his restroom?
How hard is it to warez a software from a company which uses so ingenious serials like
111-11111
123-45678
throughout the entire product line (back in the days of office 97 IIRC)
Yes, ms did try to go against mass-piracy, but they didn't do anything against pirated software for home users.
I take this as a compliment, cause I know if you had an idea that english is not my native language, you would have refrained from being so anal. ok?
But you can't really believe that, can you?
I'll try to be conservative with what I say and analyze this MS that we all now:
ms has 95%+ market share in desktop os's.
ms has 98%+ market share in office apps.
ms has 95%+ market share in browsers
(let that be 90% or 99%, whatever you feel better with).
In the last 5 years Microsoft has extended/held that share by
1., 2., 3. will not help them anymore, instead they will stop and are already stopping using this tactics, because they simply can cash in more. They don't gain a dime when the 95%+ of ms-user simply stay with win95,98,nt,2000 and even XP.
On the other hand they must find a way to
Add to that that ms has to fear that their capability to "innovate" might not be as competitive as it perhaps once was, because there are hungry companies/developer communities out there to get them (sun/staroffice, kde, gnome, linux etc.). Plus the fact that the territory where one can "innovate" is shrinking. That indicates that the consumer software market is going to a market where the price is the main selling point - because "real" (needed) features will be more and more omnipresent in all offers.
For instance, the only important "feature" that MS-office has that star-office hasn't is, well, it's msoffice (file compability) - see point 4 above.
MS has everything to loose if it opens up it's protocols and API's and it has everything to loose if it doesn't. But the second alternative at least gives them a chance to win - and win big time. As for the first alternative - an "open"
So, we don't even need to go into details where they pretended to play fair before and didn't (html, xml, soap, kerberos) or where there is talk that they will kill existing interoperability (CIFS), I think it's clear they can't play fair.
No, it uses some silly ie/outlook security hole which allows for automatic execution of files (via browser). Funny thing is this - as I read - also works with the windows 98/ME/2000 active desktop preview feature, i.e. just _one_ click on the virus and you've lost.
Take a look at www.guninski.com for which vulnerabilities this worm might exploit, it seems a virus writer nowadays doesn't need to marter his brain doing machine code buffer overflows if he targets ms-products.