If google had started this as an opt in system where you had to pay to play, these same newspapers would be signing up without a complaint and the money would be going the other way. While I agree their participation should be optional - they should consider themselves lucky to have a site boosting hits on their site by those kind of numbers for free - in any other circumstances you'd have to pay for that kind of help. Is there anything more painful to watch that old school news businesses trying to figure out the internet?
Hilf said that the Linux phenomenon had nothing to do with Linux, but rather it had a lot to do with Apache, MySQL and PHP. It was those applications which pulled Linux up with it, the "Visual Basic of open source." - Ok which one of these dont also run on Windows, OS X and the BSDs?
"That's the dirty little secret. When I talk to open source developers, at least half are talking about Windows, from SugarCRM, MySQL, PHP. Every single one," he said. - Im pretty sure every single one is more than 50% and if Microsoft didnt embrace and extend everything that touched their OS it would probably be more than 50% - and they do it because these developers are often practical, pragmatic and really concerned with delivering solutions to admins and end-users, of course they are talking Windows.
"Standards is the first thing you go to in the competitive strategy playbook. Of course, IBM and Sun won't say that on the record. You create a problem that didn't exist and use standards to force a problem," he said. - Well then lets just throw the Windows standards for drivers, apps and the like out the window (no pun intended) shall we? Oh wait - you wont deliver products or certify them if they dont meet your standards. Who is this joker and do they really pay him to say this?
Nonsense, there nothing wrong with drinking or posting a picture of you doing it. The only thing that would justify their claim is if there were children around her during the drinking - in the picture or described in the caption/accompanying text. There is nothing morally wrong with dressing up for Halloween and having a few drinks with friends and sharing your good times with your online friends. If glamorizing is defined as not doing it in a closet with the lights off where no one can see - guess its time to move to Canada cause who wants to live in a country like that. Whoever made this decision should lose their job IMHO. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to find a picture of our current president with a beer in his hand (hint: try google image search, a name, and the word drinking). Hope shes wrings them dry in the courts and uses some of the money to gets drunk on them.
Writing a program that handles every possible invocation on every possible input is a task daunting to any programmer - to just say that errors conditions should never occur when millions of people have their hands in the inputs is ridiculous. The dependency hell is cause by overriding - the protection *is* the fact that it stops you and forces the override! If you say screw it, go anyways - you deserve what you get. We cant stop you from typing 'rm -fr/' as root, or from forcing packages that arent right onto your system. This is a repository/packaging issue - not a package manager issue, and a whiny one at that. I encountered the same error, simply didnt update that package and updated all the others and waited for the package to update again before worrying about it. Hes obviously got other issues with the RedHat/Fedora group and hes taking it out on this issue which i think almost isnt worth mentioning at all.
Heres a novel idea. Maybe they held back WinFS and a couple of other pieces to justify a new operating system release right after Vista - nah... Microsoft wouldnt sink that low for a buck.
I hardly believe this is as dramatic as many would have us believe. First, we have to assume that bills like this are introduced to solve the problem they address - in this case kiddie porn. Second, our government has been far more intrusive and conservative in the past than it is now: i.e. during the civil war, during the cold war, McCarthy etc. Perhaps Gonzalez has been watching too much "24" lately, who knows - but his time in office is limited - the US population has a specific mechanism by which they can censure him - Vote a non-Republican candidate into office. Personally if i was Bush - i would have fired AG a long time ago - they guys main problem is that he has such a huge ego that he would rather win an intellectual argument than carry on a conversation with congress or the people.
Doesn't change the fact that the bill doesn't say or even imply that chat and IM will be recorded - its misleading even if it could possibly happen. I personally think that making ISPs record IP addresses to user mappings is a fair compromise. They already do it with phone records for each individual call, theyd like to record every conversation (and maybe secretly do, offtopic), but legally dont do it because of the public uproar it would cause. I think you will see their desires tamed by public opinion but would prefer a spelled out case by case myself. Fortunately there will be a different Att. Gen. soon enough.
The post refers to IM and chat logging but they are mentioned no-where in the bill draft. The bill asks that IPs be logged to subscriber names and nothing else. The words instant messaging and chat dont even appear in the text of the the bill at all. The post then links to a previous post about what some people in government would like to monitor - including the IM and chat logs. You cant just draw a line between the two without support facts.
What about those two poor guys who were doing what they got paid to do? Are they "shielded from civil or criminal action"? If Turner doesnt take care of those guys i will certainly look for a way to reduce my consumption of their products. At heart i actually resent them paying anything at all. SWAT for a lightbright -- wtf.
If you goto google news and read through more than just the one article it seems that although the White House was the originator for the changes - I havent seen anything saying that the White House has to be informed about anything - just the leadership of the USGS itself (who in turn report higher, but thats nothing new). I often have to show my presentations and outputs to my boss and dont automatically cry censorship - as do most of the people on this site I suspect. I understand that people are reacting to the concept layed out in the Slashdot lead and original article but sometimes you need to read a little further to have a reasonably well thought out opinion. I think the posts to the effect that Bush should be impeached, whether he deserves it or not, are way - way offtopic.
Actually i think all the points he made in respect to Oracle's Linux were valid and in the long term will turn out to be true. There is a reason that RedHat is still a big name in Linux after all these years - they put alot of work and money into adding value to the open source communities base software offerings in the form of well patched and configured set of releases and a structured release/development cycle. This in concert with their support package makes them a tough act to beat overall for businesses. Oracle saying that they are going to base all their work on RedHats stuff implicitly implies that they will be a step behind them all the time and that their hands will often be tied in making their own modifications to the packages. Oracle saying that they are going to put the whole development/support infrastructure in place that RedHat offers, overnight no less, is ridiculous.
On the other point, if Microsoft really felt they had a locked up case of IP infringement on Linux - they would have pulled the trigger long ago - your everyday average helping of FUD.
Overall I think the EVP's response to both points was perfect.
The best reason for having guns is how the US was created - how can anyone say that the circumstances for needing to revolt against ones government cant occur if thats how said government was formed. It makes no sense. The way I see it is the people asking for the gun bans are shortsighted and probably cant comprehend, beyond the words on the pages of history books, what the founding fathers of this country did and what it meant. If we give up our right to determine our own futures we deserve whatever future we a given - good or bad.
I would propose that musician is a sub-group of artist and that your (or my) opinion of music or other artworks is hardly relevent to their classification as art. The fact that it is so hard to quantify and that opinions about pieces of music vary so much only support this classification. To quote Emerson:
Great works of art have no more affecting lesson for us than this. They teach us to abide by our spontaneous impression with good-humored inflexibility then most when the whole cry of voices is on the other side. Else, to-morrow a stranger will say with masterly good sense precisely what we have thought and felt all the time, and we shall be forced to take with shame our own opinion from another. He thinks that art gives us the ability to stand behind our own opinions and to truly be ourselves. I can think of no other artform that does this more so today than music, and therefore consider it one of the most important forms of art we have left, perhaps the only one that can expect to survive, in our our otherwise superficial and commercialized culture.
The phrasing of the question and answer showed an obvious difference in opinion as to whether or not running IE under Wine is software theft - and that was the context under which i posted my comment. Personally beyond that point, on which I land soundly with the person asking the question, I dont appreciate having to run any operating system in particular to test protocols, markup languages and development techniques that were designed to be platform independent and have found themselves not compliant due to, arguably some accidental - some not, inconsistencies in vendor implementations. I guess i just fall in the camp that if your designing software thats key functions are communication and interoperability, you should be falling all over yourself to provide developers and users, Windows or not, with all and any tools you can to achieve that goal, which I would argue Microsoft simply doesn't do. (The dishonest comment might have been overkill tho, sorry.)
Did he really expect the slashdot crowd to accept that allowing IE7 to run in Wine is the equivilent of giving away a window client license? I would have respected him so much more if he just said "we are required to develop with our in-house libraries and we have no interest in users of other operating systems using our products". Someone should enlighten him to the fact that most of the developers in question can easily afford Windows but choose not to run it, and wanting to have IE for testing purposes is a long way from being miscontrued as an attempt to illicitly acquire a windows client license. This comment is dishonest at best.
There is another option to this argument - its that this article wasnt meant for the Linux using public. It was meant for the capitalist Linux using public and non-Linux users. This is a classic example of the author writing to his audience in place of writing the news. He obviously is picking on Stallman, that much can't be denied with all the person attacks that are present in this article. So what does it boil down to? The author is the kid on the bus picking on the band geek with glasses, nudging his cronies with his elbow as he layers one crack after the other. I dont read a deep dark plot into this article - its simply a cheap writer taking a cheap shot at and easy target so people will "like" him. Lets do ourselves a favor and forget he and his publication exist.
I guess the post author could say the same since you started 70% of your sentences with a conjunction; might want to check the word conjunction out in the dictionary. Otherwise I can agree with your frustration with links to sites that simply won't ever be able to handle the load but I'd hate the think of or participate in any system that could fix this problem - which would amount to a narrow big-business ruled view of the topics at hand. Maybe they should think about mirroring linked pages locally. I did misspell grammar, but if thats all i misspelled then I consider that a successful post.
I think this is a newsworthy story. It points out a trend towards the creation of innocent victims on the internet stemming from simple confusion - a great weakness of the internet as I see it. This is supported by numerous lawsuits about trademark infringments and the domain "squatting" problem found on domain names very close to popular sites - all important stuff. The posts are often, nearly always, written up by slashdot readers and no one claimed they were professionally done, thats why they all start with ( writes, "). The links, again, are often user-submitted and blogs often have an opinion attached to the story which adds some commentary - a news article is supposed to be based largely, if not completely, on facts and perhaps the submitter thought it was important. It seems like you're misinterpreting what slashdot is in a major way. Also, your response to the articles grammer had fairly terrible sentence structure itself - hardly a suitable postion from which to throw stones at someone elses grammer. You could have saved us all alot of time and just wrote, "I don't like this article". That being said, *OffTopic* and *Overrated*.
I actually worked on a small public campus where similar practices were in use - traffic shaping, site blocking, content filtering. We never did it to censor anyone, we had limited resources and tried to ensure that the students doing work could A) get a terminal and B) get bandwidth for educational purposes. If we blocked content that teachers thought was legitimate we did our best to try to fix the problem by revisiting our policies and making any exceptions possible. We also used different bandwidth sources for student housing and the educational lan segments which things easier. If you can make a rational reason why a source is needed you should formulate a request and deliver it to your IT and they should be willing to evaluate and work on the items on their merits. Just remember, just cause your parents dont let you watch cartoons when your supposed to be doing your homework - doesnt mean that they are censoring the cartoon - trying to call that censorship is a dysphemism IMHO.
Well specific to this article: Civil Rights Act of 1964(spefically protection against descrimination for religion and national origin), the right to protection against unlawful search and seizure and the right to a speedy and public trial.
Republicans, at worst, are guilty of being lazy - not thinking ahead perhaps - and letting other people do their thinking for them. But these people are our parents and grandparents and even our peers in some cases. Sadly, people just want to get paid, get laid and send their kids to college - they dont want to worry about these things and that detachment will cost them more than they can conceive - eventually - which is why in my original post i said the children would pay. But this being said, I dont think the fact that they believe in Christianity makes them evil - although it may appear that way. The fact that they cant see the parallels between themselves and the so called islamofacists is simply ironic - all killing in the name of their gods. Its easy to look at people and judge and not think about how you do those same things yourself, no... i havent lost that much hair, no... im not that fat, no... im not being a hypocrite - its easy to do, its part of the human condition. We're doomed. lol.
Theres no need for anything more than mass outrage by the public - but unfortunately these people may really represent our country if you look at whos really out there these days - i dont think we will get it. This is who "we" are but that doesnt mean we have to like it.
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If google had started this as an opt in system where you had to pay to play, these same newspapers would be signing up without a complaint and the money would be going the other way. While I agree their participation should be optional - they should consider themselves lucky to have a site boosting hits on their site by those kind of numbers for free - in any other circumstances you'd have to pay for that kind of help. Is there anything more painful to watch that old school news businesses trying to figure out the internet?
Im sorry, its administratively impossible for me to keep track of all the bullshit coming out of Redmond.
Threatening law suits without following through or having the moral grounds to back it up; Microsoft should be very familiar with this technique.
Hilf said that the Linux phenomenon had nothing to do with Linux, but rather it had a lot to do with Apache, MySQL and PHP. It was those applications which pulled Linux up with it, the "Visual Basic of open source." - Ok which one of these dont also run on Windows, OS X and the BSDs?
"That's the dirty little secret. When I talk to open source developers, at least half are talking about Windows, from SugarCRM, MySQL, PHP. Every single one," he said. - Im pretty sure every single one is more than 50% and if Microsoft didnt embrace and extend everything that touched their OS it would probably be more than 50% - and they do it because these developers are often practical, pragmatic and really concerned with delivering solutions to admins and end-users, of course they are talking Windows.
"Standards is the first thing you go to in the competitive strategy playbook. Of course, IBM and Sun won't say that on the record. You create a problem that didn't exist and use standards to force a problem," he said. - Well then lets just throw the Windows standards for drivers, apps and the like out the window (no pun intended) shall we? Oh wait - you wont deliver products or certify them if they dont meet your standards. Who is this joker and do they really pay him to say this?
Nonsense, there nothing wrong with drinking or posting a picture of you doing it. The only thing that would justify their claim is if there were children around her during the drinking - in the picture or described in the caption/accompanying text. There is nothing morally wrong with dressing up for Halloween and having a few drinks with friends and sharing your good times with your online friends. If glamorizing is defined as not doing it in a closet with the lights off where no one can see - guess its time to move to Canada cause who wants to live in a country like that. Whoever made this decision should lose their job IMHO. I leave it as an exercise to the reader to find a picture of our current president with a beer in his hand (hint: try google image search, a name, and the word drinking). Hope shes wrings them dry in the courts and uses some of the money to gets drunk on them.
Writing a program that handles every possible invocation on every possible input is a task daunting to any programmer - to just say that errors conditions should never occur when millions of people have their hands in the inputs is ridiculous. The dependency hell is cause by overriding - the protection *is* the fact that it stops you and forces the override! If you say screw it, go anyways - you deserve what you get. We cant stop you from typing 'rm -fr /' as root, or from forcing packages that arent right onto your system. This is a repository/packaging issue - not a package manager issue, and a whiny one at that. I encountered the same error, simply didnt update that package and updated all the others and waited for the package to update again before worrying about it. Hes obviously got other issues with the RedHat/Fedora group and hes taking it out on this issue which i think almost isnt worth mentioning at all.
Heres a novel idea. Maybe they held back WinFS and a couple of other pieces to justify a new operating system release right after Vista - nah... Microsoft wouldnt sink that low for a buck.
I hardly believe this is as dramatic as many would have us believe. First, we have to assume that bills like this are introduced to solve the problem they address - in this case kiddie porn. Second, our government has been far more intrusive and conservative in the past than it is now: i.e. during the civil war, during the cold war, McCarthy etc. Perhaps Gonzalez has been watching too much "24" lately, who knows - but his time in office is limited - the US population has a specific mechanism by which they can censure him - Vote a non-Republican candidate into office. Personally if i was Bush - i would have fired AG a long time ago - they guys main problem is that he has such a huge ego that he would rather win an intellectual argument than carry on a conversation with congress or the people.
Doesn't change the fact that the bill doesn't say or even imply that chat and IM will be recorded - its misleading even if it could possibly happen. I personally think that making ISPs record IP addresses to user mappings is a fair compromise. They already do it with phone records for each individual call, theyd like to record every conversation (and maybe secretly do, offtopic), but legally dont do it because of the public uproar it would cause. I think you will see their desires tamed by public opinion but would prefer a spelled out case by case myself. Fortunately there will be a different Att. Gen. soon enough.
The post refers to IM and chat logging but they are mentioned no-where in the bill draft. The bill asks that IPs be logged to subscriber names and nothing else. The words instant messaging and chat dont even appear in the text of the the bill at all. The post then links to a previous post about what some people in government would like to monitor - including the IM and chat logs. You cant just draw a line between the two without support facts.
What about those two poor guys who were doing what they got paid to do? Are they "shielded from civil or criminal action"? If Turner doesnt take care of those guys i will certainly look for a way to reduce my consumption of their products. At heart i actually resent them paying anything at all. SWAT for a lightbright -- wtf.
You mean we have to clean up after our past efforts before we start new projects?! Well thats just weird.
If you goto google news and read through more than just the one article it seems that although the White House was the originator for the changes - I havent seen anything saying that the White House has to be informed about anything - just the leadership of the USGS itself (who in turn report higher, but thats nothing new). I often have to show my presentations and outputs to my boss and dont automatically cry censorship - as do most of the people on this site I suspect. I understand that people are reacting to the concept layed out in the Slashdot lead and original article but sometimes you need to read a little further to have a reasonably well thought out opinion. I think the posts to the effect that Bush should be impeached, whether he deserves it or not, are way - way offtopic.
Actually i think all the points he made in respect to Oracle's Linux were valid and in the long term will turn out to be true. There is a reason that RedHat is still a big name in Linux after all these years - they put alot of work and money into adding value to the open source communities base software offerings in the form of well patched and configured set of releases and a structured release/development cycle. This in concert with their support package makes them a tough act to beat overall for businesses. Oracle saying that they are going to base all their work on RedHats stuff implicitly implies that they will be a step behind them all the time and that their hands will often be tied in making their own modifications to the packages. Oracle saying that they are going to put the whole development/support infrastructure in place that RedHat offers, overnight no less, is ridiculous.
On the other point, if Microsoft really felt they had a locked up case of IP infringement on Linux - they would have pulled the trigger long ago - your everyday average helping of FUD.
Overall I think the EVP's response to both points was perfect.
The best reason for having guns is how the US was created - how can anyone say that the circumstances for needing to revolt against ones government cant occur if thats how said government was formed. It makes no sense. The way I see it is the people asking for the gun bans are shortsighted and probably cant comprehend, beyond the words on the pages of history books, what the founding fathers of this country did and what it meant. If we give up our right to determine our own futures we deserve whatever future we a given - good or bad.
The phrasing of the question and answer showed an obvious difference in opinion as to whether or not running IE under Wine is software theft - and that was the context under which i posted my comment. Personally beyond that point, on which I land soundly with the person asking the question, I dont appreciate having to run any operating system in particular to test protocols, markup languages and development techniques that were designed to be platform independent and have found themselves not compliant due to, arguably some accidental - some not, inconsistencies in vendor implementations. I guess i just fall in the camp that if your designing software thats key functions are communication and interoperability, you should be falling all over yourself to provide developers and users, Windows or not, with all and any tools you can to achieve that goal, which I would argue Microsoft simply doesn't do. (The dishonest comment might have been overkill tho, sorry.)
Did he really expect the slashdot crowd to accept that allowing IE7 to run in Wine is the equivilent of giving away a window client license? I would have respected him so much more if he just said "we are required to develop with our in-house libraries and we have no interest in users of other operating systems using our products". Someone should enlighten him to the fact that most of the developers in question can easily afford Windows but choose not to run it, and wanting to have IE for testing purposes is a long way from being miscontrued as an attempt to illicitly acquire a windows client license. This comment is dishonest at best.
There is another option to this argument - its that this article wasnt meant for the Linux using public. It was meant for the capitalist Linux using public and non-Linux users. This is a classic example of the author writing to his audience in place of writing the news. He obviously is picking on Stallman, that much can't be denied with all the person attacks that are present in this article. So what does it boil down to? The author is the kid on the bus picking on the band geek with glasses, nudging his cronies with his elbow as he layers one crack after the other. I dont read a deep dark plot into this article - its simply a cheap writer taking a cheap shot at and easy target so people will "like" him. Lets do ourselves a favor and forget he and his publication exist.
I guess the post author could say the same since you started 70% of your sentences with a conjunction; might want to check the word conjunction out in the dictionary. Otherwise I can agree with your frustration with links to sites that simply won't ever be able to handle the load but I'd hate the think of or participate in any system that could fix this problem - which would amount to a narrow big-business ruled view of the topics at hand. Maybe they should think about mirroring linked pages locally. I did misspell grammar, but if thats all i misspelled then I consider that a successful post.
I think this is a newsworthy story. It points out a trend towards the creation of innocent victims on the internet stemming from simple confusion - a great weakness of the internet as I see it. This is supported by numerous lawsuits about trademark infringments and the domain "squatting" problem found on domain names very close to popular sites - all important stuff. The posts are often, nearly always, written up by slashdot readers and no one claimed they were professionally done, thats why they all start with ( writes, "). The links, again, are often user-submitted and blogs often have an opinion attached to the story which adds some commentary - a news article is supposed to be based largely, if not completely, on facts and perhaps the submitter thought it was important. It seems like you're misinterpreting what slashdot is in a major way. Also, your response to the articles grammer had fairly terrible sentence structure itself - hardly a suitable postion from which to throw stones at someone elses grammer. You could have saved us all alot of time and just wrote, "I don't like this article". That being said, *OffTopic* and *Overrated*.
I actually worked on a small public campus where similar practices were in use - traffic shaping, site blocking, content filtering. We never did it to censor anyone, we had limited resources and tried to ensure that the students doing work could A) get a terminal and B) get bandwidth for educational purposes. If we blocked content that teachers thought was legitimate we did our best to try to fix the problem by revisiting our policies and making any exceptions possible. We also used different bandwidth sources for student housing and the educational lan segments which things easier. If you can make a rational reason why a source is needed you should formulate a request and deliver it to your IT and they should be willing to evaluate and work on the items on their merits. Just remember, just cause your parents dont let you watch cartoons when your supposed to be doing your homework - doesnt mean that they are censoring the cartoon - trying to call that censorship is a dysphemism IMHO.
Well specific to this article: Civil Rights Act of 1964(spefically protection against descrimination for religion and national origin), the right to protection against unlawful search and seizure and the right to a speedy and public trial.
Republicans, at worst, are guilty of being lazy - not thinking ahead perhaps - and letting other people do their thinking for them. But these people are our parents and grandparents and even our peers in some cases. Sadly, people just want to get paid, get laid and send their kids to college - they dont want to worry about these things and that detachment will cost them more than they can conceive - eventually - which is why in my original post i said the children would pay. But this being said, I dont think the fact that they believe in Christianity makes them evil - although it may appear that way. The fact that they cant see the parallels between themselves and the so called islamofacists is simply ironic - all killing in the name of their gods. Its easy to look at people and judge and not think about how you do those same things yourself, no... i havent lost that much hair, no... im not that fat, no... im not being a hypocrite - its easy to do, its part of the human condition. We're doomed. lol.
Theres no need for anything more than mass outrage by the public - but unfortunately these people may really represent our country if you look at whos really out there these days - i dont think we will get it. This is who "we" are but that doesnt mean we have to like it.