When kids use up the battery, they can mail the laptops back to the first world where they will be recharged and returned to the kids - for a small fee naturally. Its not our fault they are godless, electricityless lazy savages. We are trying to HELP here, hello! They could get off their asses and help us help them.
You know... like... put those sockets on the walls of their huts so they could recharge the laptops themselves. I mean... how hard can it be. You like.. need a screwdriver and thats about it...
BTW and FYI - All my posts in this thread were meant as sarcastic jokes. Since someone already branded me insightful, I find I might need to mention that.
You know... that comes out to about 1004000 laptops every five years.
If we could only get airport personnel to increase their "output" we could scrap that pointless One Laptop Per Child project. Those things cost money. These would be like... for free.
Slaves? Non-citizen residents? (Uuh... I can like SOOOOO see that one happening...) Un-taxable, un-draftable human entities? Pretend to be stupid and you don't pay taxes AND don't go to war? What else? Free joint and a blowjob?
Don't Godwin this
Why? Cause God-Win will smite me down?
You do realize that "Godwin" is actually a joke, not a law, rule or even guideline? "Use the Force." is more of a rule/order. Given by an imaginary character to an imaginary character, but still.
You see their lives as "smaller" because you falsely belive that intelligence makes yours "bigger".
Actually, from my experience higher IQ makes you sadder.
Newton was one of the smartest people who ever lived and I admire his work as one of the greatest achivements of mankind BUT by all accounts he was a total prick.
Being intelligent does not make you nicer. What ever gave you that idea?
But hey, if you want a ruthless dictator with a 200IQ then Newton is the type of person you are looking for and an IQ test for voters is the way to find them.
Well.. I guess its just my word but I wouldn't mind getting half a vote or no vote at all if I fall bellow IQ90. I wouldn't fuckin' care.
Ever heard of a idiot being sick due to stress? Fuck NO! They are happy!
For them sky is bluer, grass is greener, you don't get cancer from smoking or STDs from fucking and if you want - you don't even have to wear pants. They might have a smaller measure of life but by god - it is full and overflowing like a public toilet at a country music concert.
A bit pointless... What are you going to do if they don't pass? Send them back to... where?
Plus... Being a "good citizen" does not make you a thinking one. Mostly it means "good drone". There was a bunch of "good citizens" in Nazi Germany... Good for Nazi government that is.
Test their thinking and reasoning capabilities. Don't let idiots vote or get elected.
You ain't home 51% of last presidential term (or whatever else you are voting for) - you don't get to vote. Voting right is a subset of citizenship. Temporary stay of that right does not cancel out citizenship.
So, paying taxes is the measure of a man, then? No. But it has particular importance in the USA given that it was the primary grievance of the American colonies against the British. Do unemployed teenagers living with their parents file and pay taxes too? Do they still get to vote if they don't? Unemployed teenagers living with their parents don't pay taxes, but that's irrelevant to whether they can vote. Minors don't vote, which is the case for all democracies across the world (the definition of minor varies from country to country).
We are going way of topic here. Point I was trying to make is that paying taxes has nothing to do with the ability or right to vote. A reason to vote for many - yes. Determining factor for a right to vote - no.
Also... since you brought it up... You can vote at 18 in the US, but you can't buy a drink. Yet... you can be shipped off to a foreign country to die there "for democracy". And in some parts of the US - you are not allowed to fuck until you are 18 either. Strange magical number that 18.
And lets say the government brings in the death squads going door to door - but keeps the taxes down and the dollar up (or whatever the countries currency is). I really don't understand what you are trying to say.
If the conditions of life IN THE COUNTRY are far worse than those OUT OF THE COUNTRY - should those living OUT OF THE COUNTRY have the same voting rights as those living in? Note that it is usually those economically well off who can afford to live outside the country of origin and give a damn about the vote at the same time. In other words - rich can vote to have poor's firstborn slain if they feel like it. Slaying can take a form of military draft, mind you.
It's unfair to tax people without giving them a say in how that tax money is spent.
So? Don't tax them. Have them pay taxes to a country they live in. They are paying WAT anyhow... We have already determined that paying taxes is not determining factor for a right to vote.
Should they pay taxes on real estate, on the money they make over the border, what is the bottom line under which there shouldn't be any taxation, should they pay taxes if they sell the real estate in the US while living abroad... All of that is IRRELEVANT!
Paying taxes is not determining factor for a right to vote. Therefore it does not entitle you to a right to vote. You have a right because you are a citizen of the country - not because you are paying taxes. Your CITIZENSHIP gives you the RIGHT to vote. That same citizenship gives you the OBLIGATION to pay taxes. If you don't live there... well... how are you a citizen?
hey LIVE in the world of today, it's their world too even if they're not the young and hip anymore. Just because you're not happy with their opinions, what makes them less valid than your own?
Test the age of their mind, not the age of their bodies. Everyone's - not just those born before, say... 1945.
Make all the highschoolers and college kids that have never had a real job take a "maturity test" if they really understand enough to vote. Something tells me you'd see huge dropouts at both ends and only a power elite left to vote.
Yeah... something like that.
Prove that your mind is up to the task of voting or being voted for.
How about a 200 question *timed* multiple-choice test at a surprise time like 4am for eligibility for public office? However it's done, testing a candidate's mental capacity and stamina would be quite helpful. The last 8 years would have been completely different.
For candidates most certainly. But for voters too.
Why should I let a uncouth non-college-graduate vote about my future ?
If you aren't smart enough to get a PhD, how can you decide what good for the entire country ? We should allow only PhD's to vote.
Aaah... but you are talking about money now. Not reasoning or even luck of the draw of your genetic heritage or family and/or place you are born at. PhD means first and foremost - money. Money to pay for college and PhD studies and money to live from until you finish them.
Also... time. By the time you are old enough to vote you were already required BY LAW to go to school to learn to read and write. Also, you are about as intelligent as you are ever going to be.
You have those two FOR FREE. PhD requires money and time most don't have at the time they get their right to vote.
If you live in city, should the president you elect not have any powers to make any changes in the rural areas ? Why should an urbanite decide a farmers future. etc. etc.
And that is why there are governors, mayors etc. There is more to government then just the presidency.
So, paying taxes is the measure of a man, then? Do unemployed teenagers living with their parents file and pay taxes too? Do they still get to vote if they don't?
And lets say the government brings in the death squads going door to door - but keeps the taxes down and the dollar up (or whatever the countries currency is). Should someone living on the, say, coast of France at the moment and enjoying that high dollar - really have the right to vote about the conditions in the country?
Literacy rate is 99%+, so presumably those who haven't learned it, can't. In a poorer country I'd slap you silly for saying that though, do you think kids that can't read:
"Kids" don't vote. Adults do. You get to adulthood and are still not able to read/write - well damn... there is great chance you are not informed enough to vote in mine or your's best interest.
b) Been forced to work from child age, and never got a choice and that they might like to have a say in for example what the law says about that?
You really think places like that let people like that actually vote? As in... for a candidate that represents THEM? Places like that first need to have an election system in place at all.
So you'd always exclude the bottom 25%, no matter how high we raised the education level, not nearly that many are actually mentally handicapped.
Quoting Wikipedia:
in the United States, approximately 70% of the eligible population registers to vote, which may be an important contributing factor in the low average election turnout, which in recent decades just barely has topped 50% of voting age population in presidential elections. However, in 2004, the presidential election turnout was up to 56.70% of all US citizens old enough to vote.
25%? Apparently, number is way higher as it is.
And yes... I was talking about intelligence - NOT education. You can give a horse an education, or pig, or a monkey. It won't make it more intelligent or smarter - it will just learn a new trick.
I mean... we have tried it this way and that way for centuries. From "My dad is the king" to "My dad is the president". How about giving value to the votes based on person's abilities of reasoning?
Get idiots and senile men OUT of the political system for a change. Or give 'em half a vote. Obviously some votes count more than others anyway (from Al Gore's election to "super" delegates) - lets have a measurable reason WHY. You still can't believe its not butter but you CAN believe everything else TV tells you? I don't want you voting or handling heavy machinery or owning a gun.
Democracy is not a holy word of god written in golden letters on the side of a mountain. It is an idea. Ideas need updates too. All men (and women) are NOT created equal. By nature or by society. Face it and get over it. Find a way to make it true if possible. But don't just bow your head to it cause it is "politically correct". Not so long ago it was politically correct to judge people by their race. Political Correctness goes both ways.
I wouldn't go that far - but I would demand that they live in the country they are voting for at least 51% of the last president's term. You traveling around the world, not in touch with who or what you are voting for? Sorry... go vote in that other countrie's election if they will let you. And yes... I mean that for the soldiers "fighting for democracy" somewhere out there too.
And if we are going to get elitist... IQs... Do you have them?
-Under 90 points - you don't get to vote. -Can't read or write - you don't get to vote. Elementary education IS free AND mandatory. You are old enough to vote but couldn't find time to learn to read yet?
Why should I let a illiterate imbecile who does not live in my country vote about my future?
Well... JFK managed NOT to start World War III. AND he did the sexiest movie icon ever...
And SpongeBob would probably do far better job than most. Have you seen his work? That guy apparently can't do wrong. Even when he fucks up it turns out great in the end.
Affinnova's survey methods doesn't use the typical polling method of asking respondents to pick a name from a list. Instead, it gives respondents larger concepts, including photos
Cause, you know... we REALLY need the opinions of all those illiterate retard's.
Did they try with photos and biographies of dead and/or imaginary people too? How many voted for JFK? Or Elvis Aaron Presley? Or Santa Claus? Or Dart Vader? Or SpongeBob?
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Cause you keep stealing those "feathers" from Chinese who are the real champions of both disciplines?
http://www.xkcd.com/178/
Send them pre-charged.
When kids use up the battery, they can mail the laptops back to the first world where they will be recharged and returned to the kids - for a small fee naturally.
Its not our fault they are godless, electricityless lazy savages.
We are trying to HELP here, hello! They could get off their asses and help us help them.
You know... like... put those sockets on the walls of their huts so they could recharge the laptops themselves.
I mean... how hard can it be. You like.. need a screwdriver and thats about it...
BTW and FYI - All my posts in this thread were meant as sarcastic jokes. Since someone already branded me insightful, I find I might need to mention that.
Don't know...
Bus I rode today did smell funny. But buses always do smell funny.
You know... that comes out to about 1004000 laptops every five years.
If we could only get airport personnel to increase their "output" we could scrap that pointless One Laptop Per Child project.
Those things cost money.
These would be like... for free.
And turn them into... what?
Slaves?
Non-citizen residents? (Uuh... I can like SOOOOO see that one happening...)
Un-taxable, un-draftable human entities? Pretend to be stupid and you don't pay taxes AND don't go to war? What else? Free joint and a blowjob?
Don't Godwin this
Why? Cause God-Win will smite me down?
You do realize that "Godwin" is actually a joke, not a law, rule or even guideline?
"Use the Force." is more of a rule/order. Given by an imaginary character to an imaginary character, but still.
You see their lives as "smaller" because you falsely belive that intelligence makes yours "bigger".
Actually, from my experience higher IQ makes you sadder.
Newton was one of the smartest people who ever lived and I admire his work as one of the greatest achivements of mankind BUT by all accounts he was a total prick.
Being intelligent does not make you nicer. What ever gave you that idea?
But hey, if you want a ruthless dictator with a 200IQ then Newton is the type of person you are looking for and an IQ test for voters is the way to find them.
Sure beats the IQ20 dictator.
Well.. I guess its just my word but I wouldn't mind getting half a vote or no vote at all if I fall bellow IQ90.
I wouldn't fuckin' care.
Ever heard of a idiot being sick due to stress?
Fuck NO!
They are happy!
For them sky is bluer, grass is greener, you don't get cancer from smoking or STDs from fucking and if you want - you don't even have to wear pants.
They might have a smaller measure of life but by god - it is full and overflowing like a public toilet at a country music concert.
And when you come home with your hand blown off by a I..(fuck it..) by a BOMB - do you still get to drink? Or do you wait till 21?
A bit pointless...
What are you going to do if they don't pass? Send them back to... where?
Plus... Being a "good citizen" does not make you a thinking one. Mostly it means "good drone".
There was a bunch of "good citizens" in Nazi Germany... Good for Nazi government that is.
Test their thinking and reasoning capabilities.
Don't let idiots vote or get elected.
I'm not from USA you insensitive Anonymous Coward.
Read again what I said.
You ain't home 51% of last presidential term (or whatever else you are voting for) - you don't get to vote.
Voting right is a subset of citizenship. Temporary stay of that right does not cancel out citizenship.
So, paying taxes is the measure of a man, then?
No. But it has particular importance in the USA given that it was the primary grievance of the American colonies against the British.
Do unemployed teenagers living with their parents file and pay taxes too? Do they still get to vote if they don't?
Unemployed teenagers living with their parents don't pay taxes, but that's irrelevant to whether they can vote. Minors don't vote, which is the case for all democracies across the world (the definition of minor varies from country to country).
We are going way of topic here.
Point I was trying to make is that paying taxes has nothing to do with the ability or right to vote. A reason to vote for many - yes. Determining factor for a right to vote - no.
Also... since you brought it up...
You can vote at 18 in the US, but you can't buy a drink. Yet... you can be shipped off to a foreign country to die there "for democracy".
And in some parts of the US - you are not allowed to fuck until you are 18 either.
Strange magical number that 18.
And lets say the government brings in the death squads going door to door - but keeps the taxes down and the dollar up (or whatever the countries currency is).
I really don't understand what you are trying to say.
If the conditions of life IN THE COUNTRY are far worse than those OUT OF THE COUNTRY - should those living OUT OF THE COUNTRY have the same voting rights as those living in?
Note that it is usually those economically well off who can afford to live outside the country of origin and give a damn about the vote at the same time.
In other words - rich can vote to have poor's firstborn slain if they feel like it.
Slaying can take a form of military draft, mind you.
It's unfair to tax people without giving them a say in how that tax money is spent.
So? Don't tax them. Have them pay taxes to a country they live in. They are paying WAT anyhow...
We have already determined that paying taxes is not determining factor for a right to vote.
Should they pay taxes on real estate, on the money they make over the border, what is the bottom line under which there shouldn't be any taxation, should they pay taxes if they sell the real estate in the US while living abroad...
All of that is IRRELEVANT!
Paying taxes is not determining factor for a right to vote. Therefore it does not entitle you to a right to vote.
You have a right because you are a citizen of the country - not because you are paying taxes. Your CITIZENSHIP gives you the RIGHT to vote.
That same citizenship gives you the OBLIGATION to pay taxes.
If you don't live there... well... how are you a citizen?
Aw, come on...
We both got moderated funny... :P
Its obvious everyone got the joke and continued to play on that.
Well... I did, at least.
hey LIVE in the world of today, it's their world too even if they're not the young and hip anymore. Just because you're not happy with their opinions, what makes them less valid than your own?
Test the age of their mind, not the age of their bodies.
Everyone's - not just those born before, say... 1945.
Make all the highschoolers and college kids that have never had a real job take a "maturity test" if they really understand enough to vote. Something tells me you'd see huge dropouts at both ends and only a power elite left to vote.
Yeah... something like that.
Prove that your mind is up to the task of voting or being voted for.
How about a 200 question *timed* multiple-choice test at a surprise time like 4am for eligibility for public office?
However it's done, testing a candidate's mental capacity and stamina would be quite helpful. The last 8 years would have been completely different.
For candidates most certainly.
But for voters too.
Why should I let a uncouth non-college-graduate vote about my future ?
If you aren't smart enough to get a PhD, how can you decide what good for the entire country ? We should allow only PhD's to vote.
Aaah... but you are talking about money now.
Not reasoning or even luck of the draw of your genetic heritage or family and/or place you are born at.
PhD means first and foremost - money.
Money to pay for college and PhD studies and money to live from until you finish them.
Also... time.
By the time you are old enough to vote you were already required BY LAW to go to school to learn to read and write.
Also, you are about as intelligent as you are ever going to be.
You have those two FOR FREE. PhD requires money and time most don't have at the time they get their right to vote.
If you live in city, should the president you elect not have any powers to make any changes in the rural areas ? Why should an urbanite decide a farmers future. etc. etc.
And that is why there are governors, mayors etc.
There is more to government then just the presidency.
So, paying taxes is the measure of a man, then?
Do unemployed teenagers living with their parents file and pay taxes too? Do they still get to vote if they don't?
And lets say the government brings in the death squads going door to door - but keeps the taxes down and the dollar up (or whatever the countries currency is).
Should someone living on the, say, coast of France at the moment and enjoying that high dollar - really have the right to vote about the conditions in the country?
Literacy rate is 99%+, so presumably those who haven't learned it, can't. In a poorer country I'd slap you silly for saying that though, do you think kids that
can't read:
"Kids" don't vote. Adults do.
You get to adulthood and are still not able to read/write - well damn... there is great chance you are not informed enough to vote in mine or your's best interest.
b) Been forced to work from child age, and never got a choice and that they might like to have a say in for example what the law says about that?
You really think places like that let people like that actually vote?
As in... for a candidate that represents THEM?
Places like that first need to have an election system in place at all.
So you'd always exclude the bottom 25%, no matter how high we raised the education level, not nearly that many are actually mentally handicapped.
Quoting Wikipedia:
in the United States, approximately 70% of the eligible population registers to vote, which may be an important contributing factor in the low average election turnout, which in recent decades just barely has topped 50% of voting age population in presidential elections. However, in 2004, the presidential election turnout was up to 56.70% of all US citizens old enough to vote.
25%? Apparently, number is way higher as it is.
And yes... I was talking about intelligence - NOT education.
You can give a horse an education, or pig, or a monkey.
It won't make it more intelligent or smarter - it will just learn a new trick.
I mean... we have tried it this way and that way for centuries.
From "My dad is the king" to "My dad is the president".
How about giving value to the votes based on person's abilities of reasoning?
Get idiots and senile men OUT of the political system for a change.
Or give 'em half a vote. Obviously some votes count more than others anyway (from Al Gore's election to "super" delegates) - lets have a measurable reason WHY.
You still can't believe its not butter but you CAN believe everything else TV tells you?
I don't want you voting or handling heavy machinery or owning a gun.
Democracy is not a holy word of god written in golden letters on the side of a mountain.
It is an idea.
Ideas need updates too.
All men (and women) are NOT created equal. By nature or by society.
Face it and get over it. Find a way to make it true if possible.
But don't just bow your head to it cause it is "politically correct".
Not so long ago it was politically correct to judge people by their race.
Political Correctness goes both ways.
I wouldn't go that far - but I would demand that they live in the country they are voting for at least 51% of the last president's term.
You traveling around the world, not in touch with who or what you are voting for? Sorry... go vote in that other countrie's election if they will let you.
And yes... I mean that for the soldiers "fighting for democracy" somewhere out there too.
And if we are going to get elitist...
IQs... Do you have them?
-Under 90 points - you don't get to vote.
-Can't read or write - you don't get to vote.
Elementary education IS free AND mandatory.
You are old enough to vote but couldn't find time to learn to read yet?
Why should I let a illiterate imbecile who does not live in my country vote about my future?
Well... JFK managed NOT to start World War III.
AND he did the sexiest movie icon ever...
And SpongeBob would probably do far better job than most.
Have you seen his work? That guy apparently can't do wrong.
Even when he fucks up it turns out great in the end.
Affinnova's survey methods doesn't use the typical polling method of asking respondents to pick a name from a list. Instead, it gives respondents larger concepts, including photos
Cause, you know... we REALLY need the opinions of all those illiterate retard's.
Did they try with photos and biographies of dead and/or imaginary people too?
How many voted for JFK?
Or Elvis Aaron Presley?
Or Santa Claus?
Or Dart Vader?
Or SpongeBob?
That it is the WIN key.
Although... some claim that it is made of pure FAIL.
You are smarter than Taco?
What are they going to do?
Fire you?
They NEED you working weekends!
Make you stay after hours?
Hello? Weekends? Working?