MS adopted this UI because Apple was successful with it; the real reason MS dominates the market is the MS-DOS installed base, which was an accidental gift from IBM.
Yes it was a gift from IBM but not accidental. It is widely believed that Gary Kildall of Digital Research went flying when IBM came knocking making IBM to choose Microsoft. Instead Gary did meet with IBM and they sold DR's product CP/M along with Microsoft's then unheard of DOS with the first PCs. DOS sold at a much lower price than CP/M and Microsoft won the day.
What Microsoft has managed to do is hold on to and grow that market. Sometimes by using questionable means, sometimes by adopting useful technology.
Back to the GUI. MS adopted it after seeing the Apple Lisa (a huge failure for Apple). They announced Windows in 1983 (a year before the Mac appeared) and delivered version 1.0 in 1985.
So did MS adopt the GUI because Apple was successful with it? No, it was because, like Apple, they saw a future in it.
MS didn't follow with USB. They had full USB support in Windows 98 and that product was relased two months (June 98) before Jobs showed off the first iMac (August 98). Even some versions of Windows 95 had partial USB support. Most PCs had USB ports going back as early as 1996. And don't forget that MS along with Compaq & Intel invented USB.
What Apple did do though, was make USB the only way to connect low-speed peripherals such keyboards & mice. This helped kick start the production of USB devices. Something that was languishing before the arrival of Win98 & the iMac.
You over-exaggerate the problem. A site license is the way to go for a large corporation (even for small ones). You only need to keep a few install CDs, plus you get a piece of paper that says you are allowed to installed it on
x number of workstations. This is not rocket science and easy to track.
And the problem with Linux & BSD is that there are few mainstream apps. Yes you can get word processors but I've yet to find a decent replacement for Quicken (for example) or any accounting software for that matter.
I use Outlook Express (flame me later), I have disabled all scripting AND only reply or forward in plain text (OE can be setup to do this by default). This way there is no forwarding of any scripts. I'm sure Outlook can be configured the same.
the PC industry. You're comparing Apple with PC makers, the PC industry is more than that. There is no single manufacturer setting standards, and as a result much is left to the user to decide what goes into his PC. To me that's the PC's strength, CHOICE. I don't need a company deciding what goes into my computer.
Now while it may be true that Apple incorporated many of the technologies you mention into their product line before PC makers. The fact remains that most of those technologies had been available to PC users long before that. You seem to believe that because Apple, for example, incorporates gigabyte ethernet that that's somehow innovative. From an Apple point of view it maybe, but from a PC point of view it isn't. PC's are inherently expandable and customizable, if I want GB ethernet, I'd just buy the equipment and install it. I don't need Dell's blessing (for example) to do it.
A Mac is a Mac is a Mac. A PC is anything I want it to be.
It has nothing to do with Canadian content laws. It's all about protecting Canadian advertisers. Whenever two stations are playing the same program, the local channel is substituted. That way you see the commercials that Canadian advertisers paid for. I've also seen this done between two Canadian stations. The local station's signal is substituted, this protects the local advertisers.
Personally I think it's a good thing, it keeps money in the country. So what would you rather have, a couple of laughs or millions of dollars staying in Canada?
A few notes, I've been using an 815E motherboard (Gigabyte GA-6OXM7E) for 4 months now. My board came with an AGP slot and the built-in video can be disabled in favour of an AGP card. I'm currently using an nVidia TNT2 Pro. The integrated sound uses an Creative CT5880 chip (SoundBlaster 128) easily detected by most Linux distros, although other boards may use different sound chipsets. Use of modem & network functions requires a "riser" card otherwise these features are inactive (I use a "real" NIC instead). Overall I've been quite pleased with the board, performance & reliability have been terrific and the ATA/100 support is bonus.
Not true. When changing a motherboard on a Win9x machine. I usually wipe out Device Manager by deleting the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ENUM registry key. I then re-boot and run the Hardware Detection Wizard (Add New Hardware) in Control Panel. This will then correctly indentify the new hardware including the IDE controllers.
So when I need to reinstall or upgrace my hard computer I don't need to (1) Install DOS 6.22, (2) Install Windows 3.11, (3) Install 95 upgrade, (4) Install 98 upgrade.
Pardon me? You don't need to do that.
To install the Win98 Upgrade on a clean hard drive:
1) Boot the computer with a DOS floppy that has the CDROM driver on it.
2) Insert the Win98 Upgrade CD and run setup. The install will start. 3) Part way through it will ask you disk 1 or the CD of an earlier version of Windows. 4) Pop in a Win95 CD or Win 3.1 floppy. 5) Once it checks out the CD or floppy the installation will continue.
Easy, I've done this many times. You've just wasted $100.
Jeez, the 905B driver is not included on the NT CD! Remember that CD was originally released in 1996. You gotta download the driver to a floppy from 3Com BEFORE you install. During the install you insert the floppy when doing the network setup, it's easy.
Believe me, I've done literally hundreds of NT installs over the years, on all kinds of equipment and the 905B is a piece of cake to install. Of all Windows versions, I think NT is the easiest. Start to finish an NT Workstation installation takes me less than 30 minutes, that includes the Service Pack and all drivers.
But on the C64, you could flip the ROM out and use the RAM underneath. The main ROM banks were BASIC ROM and KERNEL [sic] ROM. Most games flipped BASIC ROM out, since they didn't need it anyway. And if you wanted to, you could flip the Kernal out and replace with your own. Not an option on the Atari.
That was true for the Atari 800 but not the 800XL. The 800XL had 64K and it's ROM & BASIC could be flipped out too. The 130XE had 128K which would bank switch in the extra 64K as needed.
You're talking BASIC. And that's not quire right. As Commodore tokenized it basic keywords, you could write more BASIC code on a C64 than on an Atari.
Um, the Atari's BASIC was tokenized too. You did have the option of saving the BASIC program as a "text" file (LIST "D:FILENAME") or in it's tokenized format (SAVE "D:FILENAME"). Note how much easier it was to save ("D:" means disk drive, if you want to save to cassette use "C:" instead), no arcane commands to remember.
I'll give you the one on the tape drive. Atari had a lousy tape drive, it was faster but unreliable.
Speaking of keyboards the early PET had a chiclet keyboard, so even Commodore put out terrible keyboards.
...it supports PC100 & PC133 SDRAM only. Intel had to eat it words and finally produce a chipset that actually supports PC133 SDRAM. The 815 is very stable & reliable and a good alternative. I currently use an 815e motherboard and have been quite pleased. The only downside that I can think of is it's 512MB RAM limitation.
The Translator was a program that made the 800XL emulate the older 800. Some programs written for the 800 wouldn't run on the 800XL, so Atari provided the Translator as a fix.
It was a clever piece of software, it would copy an image of the old 800's ROM to the 800XL's RAM then turn off the 800XL's ROM. This was possible because the 800XL had an extra 16K of RAM that could be switched in and out with it's ROM.
Sorry but wrong, it's simple to do and no registry tweaking required. I currently have scipting, ActiveX & Java disabled for OE but working in IE.
Step 1 - In OE set your IE security zone to Restricted Sites. Step 2 - In IE, go to Internet Options, select Security and choose Restricted sites.
Step 3 - Select Custom Level and turn off everything or set it to the most restrictive setting.
From now on OE will use those settings for HTML email.
I believe that was 5K of memory with 1.5K used by the OS & the display. That left a whopping 3583 bytes free! I got an 8K cart soon after buying my VIC20 back in 1982. Oh, and the screen display was 22 columns by 23 rows.
Well ext2 doesn't add any physical security either. I can get ext2 drivers for Windows here and get access to my Linux partition. So much for security.
As far FAT32 support, it has been available from third parties for a long time.
I'm using the Performance Monitor that comes with Windows 2000. Sonique right now is averaging 0.6%, that's while playing. I'll gladly try another monitoring program, Wintop won't work on Windows 2000.
All normal POP3 and IMAP communication is sent in plain text, including your password. Doesn't matter what client you're using, they all do it. Now there are encrypted versions of these protocols and Outlook does support them, they're just not turned on by default.
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I can believe that. However I was going by this page (near the bottom) which lists MS as an original core member.
MS adopted this UI because Apple was successful with it; the real reason MS dominates the market is the MS-DOS installed base, which was an accidental gift from IBM.
Yes it was a gift from IBM but not accidental. It is widely believed that Gary Kildall of Digital Research went flying when IBM came knocking making IBM to choose Microsoft. Instead Gary did meet with IBM and they sold DR's product CP/M along with Microsoft's then unheard of DOS with the first PCs. DOS sold at a much lower price than CP/M and Microsoft won the day.
What Microsoft has managed to do is hold on to and grow that market. Sometimes by using questionable means, sometimes by adopting useful technology.
Back to the GUI. MS adopted it after seeing the Apple Lisa (a huge failure for Apple). They announced Windows in 1983 (a year before the Mac appeared) and delivered version 1.0 in 1985.
So did MS adopt the GUI because Apple was successful with it? No, it was because, like Apple, they saw a future in it.
MS didn't follow with USB. They had full USB support in Windows 98 and that product was relased two months (June 98) before Jobs showed off the first iMac (August 98). Even some versions of Windows 95 had partial USB support. Most PCs had USB ports going back as early as 1996. And don't forget that MS along with Compaq & Intel invented USB.
What Apple did do though, was make USB the only way to connect low-speed peripherals such keyboards & mice. This helped kick start the production of USB devices. Something that was languishing before the arrival of Win98 & the iMac.
You over-exaggerate the problem. A site license is the way to go for a large corporation (even for small ones). You only need to keep a few install CDs, plus you get a piece of paper that says you are allowed to installed it on x number of workstations. This is not rocket science and easy to track.
And the problem with Linux & BSD is that there are few mainstream apps. Yes you can get word processors but I've yet to find a decent replacement for Quicken (for example) or any accounting software for that matter.
A non-root user on my Linux desktop computer can shut down the machine, that's the default setting.
In Windows 2000 Professional a non-admin user can also shut down the computer, also the default.
I both cases that default can be changed, I'm sure it can be changed in XP.
I use Outlook Express (flame me later), I have disabled all scripting AND only reply or forward in plain text (OE can be setup to do this by default). This way there is no forwarding of any scripts. I'm sure Outlook can be configured the same.
the PC industry. You're comparing Apple with PC makers, the PC industry is more than that. There is no single manufacturer setting standards, and as a result much is left to the user to decide what goes into his PC. To me that's the PC's strength, CHOICE. I don't need a company deciding what goes into my computer.
Now while it may be true that Apple incorporated many of the technologies you mention into their product line before PC makers. The fact remains that most of those technologies had been available to PC users long before that. You seem to believe that because Apple, for example, incorporates gigabyte ethernet that that's somehow innovative. From an Apple point of view it maybe, but from a PC point of view it isn't. PC's are inherently expandable and customizable, if I want GB ethernet, I'd just buy the equipment and install it. I don't need Dell's blessing (for example) to do it.
A Mac is a Mac is a Mac. A PC is anything I want it to be.
Damn the CRTC and the Canadian content laws!
It has nothing to do with Canadian content laws. It's all about protecting Canadian advertisers. Whenever two stations are playing the same program, the local channel is substituted. That way you see the commercials that Canadian advertisers paid for. I've also seen this done between two Canadian stations. The local station's signal is substituted, this protects the local advertisers.
Personally I think it's a good thing, it keeps money in the country. So what would you rather have, a couple of laughs or millions of dollars staying in Canada?
A few notes, I've been using an 815E motherboard (Gigabyte GA-6OXM7E) for 4 months now. My board came with an AGP slot and the built-in video can be disabled in favour of an AGP card. I'm currently using an nVidia TNT2 Pro. The integrated sound uses an Creative CT5880 chip (SoundBlaster 128) easily detected by most Linux distros, although other boards may use different sound chipsets. Use of modem & network functions requires a "riser" card otherwise these features are inactive (I use a "real" NIC instead). Overall I've been quite pleased with the board, performance & reliability have been terrific and the ATA/100 support is bonus.
Not true. When changing a motherboard on a Win9x machine. I usually wipe out Device Manager by deleting the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ENUM registry key. I then re-boot and run the Hardware Detection Wizard (Add New Hardware) in Control Panel. This will then correctly indentify the new hardware including the IDE controllers.
So when I need to reinstall or upgrace my hard computer I don't need to (1) Install DOS 6.22, (2) Install Windows 3.11, (3) Install 95 upgrade, (4) Install 98 upgrade.
Pardon me? You don't need to do that.
To install the Win98 Upgrade on a clean hard drive:
1) Boot the computer with a DOS floppy that has the CDROM driver on it.
2) Insert the Win98 Upgrade CD and run setup. The install will start.
3) Part way through it will ask you disk 1 or the CD of an earlier version of Windows.
4) Pop in a Win95 CD or Win 3.1 floppy.
5) Once it checks out the CD or floppy the installation will continue.
Easy, I've done this many times. You've just wasted $100.
basketball was invented in Indiana
Nice try, the correct answer is Springfield, Massachusetts.
Jeez, the 905B driver is not included on the NT CD! Remember that CD was originally released in 1996. You gotta download the driver to a floppy from 3Com BEFORE you install. During the install you insert the floppy when doing the network setup, it's easy.
Believe me, I've done literally hundreds of NT installs over the years, on all kinds of equipment and the 905B is a piece of cake to install. Of all Windows versions, I think NT is the easiest. Start to finish an NT Workstation installation takes me less than 30 minutes, that includes the Service Pack and all drivers.
But on the C64, you could flip the ROM out and use the RAM underneath. The main ROM banks were BASIC ROM and KERNEL [sic] ROM. Most games flipped BASIC ROM out, since they didn't need it anyway. And if you wanted to, you could flip the Kernal out and replace with your own. Not an option on the Atari.
That was true for the Atari 800 but not the 800XL. The 800XL had 64K and it's ROM & BASIC could be flipped out too. The 130XE had 128K which would bank switch in the extra 64K as needed.
You're talking BASIC. And that's not quire right. As Commodore tokenized it basic keywords, you could write more BASIC code on a C64 than on an Atari.
Um, the Atari's BASIC was tokenized too. You did have the option of saving the BASIC program as a "text" file (LIST "D:FILENAME") or in it's tokenized format (SAVE "D:FILENAME"). Note how much easier it was to save ("D:" means disk drive, if you want to save to cassette use "C:" instead), no arcane commands to remember.
I'll give you the one on the tape drive. Atari had a lousy tape drive, it was faster but unreliable.
Speaking of keyboards the early PET had a chiclet keyboard, so even Commodore put out terrible keyboards.
...it supports PC100 & PC133 SDRAM only. Intel had to eat it words and finally produce a chipset that actually supports PC133 SDRAM. The 815 is very stable & reliable and a good alternative. I currently use an 815e motherboard and have been quite pleased. The only downside that I can think of is it's 512MB RAM limitation.
The Translator was a program that made the 800XL emulate the older 800. Some programs written for the 800 wouldn't run on the 800XL, so Atari provided the Translator as a fix.
It was a clever piece of software, it would copy an image of the old 800's ROM to the 800XL's RAM then turn off the 800XL's ROM. This was possible because the 800XL had an extra 16K of RAM that could be switched in and out with it's ROM.
Sorry but wrong, it's simple to do and no registry tweaking required. I currently have scipting, ActiveX & Java disabled for OE but working in IE.
Step 1 - In OE set your IE security zone to Restricted Sites.
Step 2 - In IE, go to Internet Options, select Security and choose Restricted sites.
Step 3 - Select Custom Level and turn off everything or set it to the most restrictive setting.
From now on OE will use those settings for HTML email.
No there was A, B & C
Win 95 Service Pack 1 = A
OSR2 = B
OSR2.1 = B, added USB support
OSR2.5 = C, added Internet Explorer 4
Having installed the various releases literally hundreds of times, I 've gotten to know the subtleties.
I believe that was 5K of memory with 1.5K used by the OS & the display. That left a whopping 3583 bytes free! I got an 8K cart soon after buying my VIC20 back in 1982. Oh, and the screen display was 22 columns by 23 rows.
Well ext2 doesn't add any physical security either. I can get ext2 drivers for Windows here and get access to my Linux partition. So much for security.
As far FAT32 support, it has been available from third parties for a long time.
I'm using the Performance Monitor that comes with Windows 2000. Sonique right now is averaging 0.6%, that's while playing. I'll gladly try another monitoring program, Wintop won't work on Windows 2000.
Memory hog maybe, but not CPU. Sonique 1.63 right now on my W2K box is not quite taking up 1% of the CPU's time while using 10MB of memory.
That was a review on an older version. The current version is 1.63 and it has a new decoder called AE4.
All normal POP3 and IMAP communication is sent in plain text, including your password. Doesn't matter what client you're using, they all do it. Now there are encrypted versions of these protocols and Outlook does support them, they're just not turned on by default.
Yep, it came with a keypad, I've still got mine.