Radio isn't "free". The radio station buys rights to play the song and then sells advertisers rights to advertise on their station. You don't directly pay cash for it but the music industry still profits off the radio and you still hear the ads or at least the throwaway "brought to you by Mennen"
I do agree 100% with the sentiment that even if the RIAA gets every law and every copy protection it can possibly dream up it won't make any more money than it's making now. People aren't going to put down their iPods and stop going to the cinema with their friends just so they can have another CD on their shelf.
I feel that if they managed to get the torrent sites shut down they'd see an increase in CD/itunes sales. People like music enough that they'll pay if they have to.
OTOH, like you said, the world would be a worse place if they did.
Could I get a link to those studies? I'm interested now.
Not that I'm calling you a liar.
Trust me, I know the people who make that statistic a reality. They're people like me and some of my friends who AREN'T in college who torrent 5 gigs of material and buy 2 gigs based on what we like. But there is an enormous group of people who don't. (usually cross sectioning well with the pothead demographic. I think it's the whole "fuck the law, I'll do what I want" mentality. Not that I have any problem with smoking pot, I'm just saying the two demographics overlap a LOT) People who will never buy a CD or Movie they don't have to. People with entire hard drives of pirated material and shelves of burned PS2 games whose total financial contribution was to buy the external hard drive and pay the modder to chip the PS2
Movies? They almost all torrent and don't bother with theaters. I have so much trouble finding people to go to theaters with.
Video Games? 1/2 of them Torrent or do without, 1/2 of them torrent most PC and buy console (used if they can).
Concerts are more of a grab bag depending on whether or not they LIKE concerts but the ones that do will pay. But that doesn't really count because they literally cannot torrent a concert. Their only options are to pay or not get the concert. Which is really damning evidence to the "People will buy just as much" crowd because the only solid stream of revenue that shows in the one that they CAN'T pirate, implying that if you couldn't pirate the CDs you'd be much more likely to buy them.
the problem with this sentiment is that I have (many) friends who, because they can, allot 0 dollars for entertainment and download every movie, song and game they want from the torrents. They then use that 100-200 dollars that would otherwise have been entertainment funds to buy more pot, better brands of cigarettes or a better brand of beer/beer at a more expensive bar depending on their preferred method of intoxication.
I'm making "huge" assumptions that when the article says "someone said he was buying fertilizer to test security" then the police might have been told "he was buying fertilizer to test security"? I don't really think that's as big of an assumption as you're implying.
Friends say Sonne had talked about sending messages with trigger words or buying up fertilizer during the summit to test security measures.
This is a meeting of some of the most powerful people in the world, bringing fertilizer to "test security. This isn't about scanning. It's about possibly building a fucking bomb.
Thank you! I too am getting tired of people claiming that anything you like and don't want to stop doing is "an addiction".
For example. The fact that I play Team Fortress 2 a couple hours a day and get upset when it goes down doesn't make me addicted to it. It makes it an activity I enjoy doing with friends and do not like being deprived of. If I cut off all contact with the outside world, miss school and work to play and start selling my possessions to pay the internet bill so I can keep playing, THEN you can call me addicted.
Part of the problem is this thing people keep trotting out that "THING X causes brain activity similar to people on cocaine". Yes. Cocaine directly stimulates the pleasure center of your brain. Anything you enjoy will cause this same reaction. Seeing a movie you like causes brain activity similar to being on cocaine. Finishing an assignment you've spent 3 weeks working on will cause brain activity similar to being on cocaine. Watching a dude wipe out of his skateboard then slide nut first down a rail will cause brain activity similar to being hit in the nuts among guys... followed by brain activity similar to being on cocaine. Dopamine is dopamine is dopamine.
Oh completelty. Hell, you could have responded "of course I am, this is/." and I've have understood. It's like when people confuse Schizophrenia and Disassociative Identity Disorder (not Multiple Personality Disorder, that's not a thing anymore)
Nice graph. But this made front page news because YES IT IS. I have lived here my entire life and never felt an earthquake before. Ever. Same with everyone else I know who was all "wtf hooser?". People didn't freak out and frontpage this because earthquakes are common fare round these parts. Whether the fault line causes anything or not is irrelevant to the fact that here in the GTA this is the first earthquake we've actually felt in decades.
For the same reason a snow storm in Mexico would be news. It's unusual for the location. As a resident of Ontario this is the first earthquake I remember us ever having.
And then you pay an additional $30,000 per semester in heavy taxation. The cost has to come from somewhere, and in your case it's merely been deferred to your working years and your paycheck.
Also there are people paying for your college, who never went to college themselves. That doesn't seem fair that non-college people should have to support college people. Talk about the poor subsidizing the upper class! Bogus.
"$30,000" REALLY?
Our taxes aren't that much higher than yours. Americans seem to have this image that we pay like 90% income tax and 50% HST or something. We don't. Also, "lower class supporting the upper class?" my family is lower middle class. Me and my siblings would not all have been able to afford to go to school without govt subsidy.
It's similar to the fact that were it not for international healthcare I would literally be dead right now since I would not have bothered going to check that minor chest pain which I thought was nothing and would not have paid $300 to get x-rays done for that ended up being a collapsed lung that was slowly killing me
Also, there are people whos houses never burn down who still have to support the fire dept. how is that fair? People who never eat every food the FDA ever inspects still pay into having that food inspected. people who don't drive (like me) still pay for road maintainance.
If you want a fair society where you only pay for the things you specifically need then A) you're both, imho, greedy and an asshole and B) I suggest you go find a nice place in the woods up north free from police, social support and roads and see how long you make it without the social structure we're all chipping in to pay for.
Sure thing. As soon as you explain how that's in any way comparable to an entire society that developed without supply lines and lives above the permafrost line.
You said, "the seal heart stunt". Implying that eating seal hearts would be a stunt as opposed to any other official meeting where meat was served.
If you were arguing that eating ANY meat was wrong you would have to consider nearly every meal she ever eats a "stunt" but you were clearly singling out the one where the animal being eaten was cute. If you're vegetarian then you're in even less position to argue because now you're holding a culture a set of moral standards they are physically incapable of living up to due to the nature of their climate.
big words don't make you good at making points any more than declaring your own victory grants it. But let me do this your way.
The reason that it you who commit the strawman, as opposed to me, is as follows: You stated
if something cannot possibly benefit you but could possibly harm you (and maybe in unanticipated ways), clearly it is not in your interests to support that thing or to actively participate in it; furthermore, doing something that is not in your interests amounts to poor decision-making.
This implies that what google did gives me no benefit and can potentially harm me, which is clearly not the case.
I use Google Earth. The increased accuracy and efficiency of its improvement is to my benefit. Them doing something to motivate them to do it more rapidly is to my benefit. And even if you claim I could have reaped these benefits equally without their data collect, there is no possible harm to me as a result. As I stated, all they will do with this information is target ads at me more effectively, and I LIKE targeted ads. If I'm going to be seeing adverts anyways I would prefer they be for something I might have use for or at least something that interests me enough to click through, thereby supporting the site the ad is on.
Yeah. Like those assholes who eat pig meat, or cow meat OR ANY OTHER MEAT. IT'S JUST A TYPE OF MEAT. GET OVER IT. I'm sorry you find that particular animal cute but that's what they have up there. I'll eat seal heart. Hell, as long as it's nobody's pet I'll eat cat or dog too. When I decided I ate meat instead of being a vegetarian I agreed that animals were fair game for food.
We've both decided that we're totally cool with murdering a living thing and eating it, please drop the pretense that you're somehow a better person because you insist on being shallow while you do it.
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But if you currently have 5 friends all downloading the new Tool album you make 0 dollars.
If you have 1 friend buying the new album and sharing it with his 4 friends you make 15 dollars.
To borrow the album from a friend at least one person in each group of friends has to buy it. With torrents, one person on the planet needs to buy it
Also, owning a pirated version of a cd is much different from hearing the released single on the radio occasionally if you tune in at the right time.
Radio isn't "free". The radio station buys rights to play the song and then sells advertisers rights to advertise on their station. You don't directly pay cash for it but the music industry still profits off the radio and you still hear the ads or at least the throwaway "brought to you by Mennen"
I do agree 100% with the sentiment that even if the RIAA gets every law and every copy protection it can possibly dream up it won't make any more money than it's making now. People aren't going to put down their iPods and stop going to the cinema with their friends just so they can have another CD on their shelf.
I feel that if they managed to get the torrent sites shut down they'd see an increase in CD/itunes sales. People like music enough that they'll pay if they have to.
OTOH, like you said, the world would be a worse place if they did.
Could I get a link to those studies? I'm interested now.
Not that I'm calling you a liar.
Trust me, I know the people who make that statistic a reality. They're people like me and some of my friends who AREN'T in college who torrent 5 gigs of material and buy 2 gigs based on what we like. But there is an enormous group of people who don't. (usually cross sectioning well with the pothead demographic. I think it's the whole "fuck the law, I'll do what I want" mentality. Not that I have any problem with smoking pot, I'm just saying the two demographics overlap a LOT) People who will never buy a CD or Movie they don't have to. People with entire hard drives of pirated material and shelves of burned PS2 games whose total financial contribution was to buy the external hard drive and pay the modder to chip the PS2
Movies? They almost all torrent and don't bother with theaters. I have so much trouble finding people to go to theaters with.
Video Games? 1/2 of them Torrent or do without, 1/2 of them torrent most PC and buy console (used if they can).
Concerts are more of a grab bag depending on whether or not they LIKE concerts but the ones that do will pay. But that doesn't really count because they literally cannot torrent a concert. Their only options are to pay or not get the concert. Which is really damning evidence to the "People will buy just as much" crowd because the only solid stream of revenue that shows in the one that they CAN'T pirate, implying that if you couldn't pirate the CDs you'd be much more likely to buy them.
Well I'm assuming by "budget" he means "money lying around that is not needed for food/rent that they can spend on whatever they want".
the problem with this sentiment is that I have (many) friends who, because they can, allot 0 dollars for entertainment and download every movie, song and game they want from the torrents. They then use that 100-200 dollars that would otherwise have been entertainment funds to buy more pot, better brands of cigarettes or a better brand of beer/beer at a more expensive bar depending on their preferred method of intoxication.
I'm making "huge" assumptions that when the article says "someone said he was buying fertilizer to test security" then the police might have been told "he was buying fertilizer to test security"? I don't really think that's as big of an assumption as you're implying.
Friends say Sonne had talked about sending messages with trigger words or buying up fertilizer during the summit to test security measures.
This is a meeting of some of the most powerful people in the world, bringing fertilizer to "test security. This isn't about scanning. It's about possibly building a fucking bomb.
Thank you! I too am getting tired of people claiming that anything you like and don't want to stop doing is "an addiction".
For example. The fact that I play Team Fortress 2 a couple hours a day and get upset when it goes down doesn't make me addicted to it. It makes it an activity I enjoy doing with friends and do not like being deprived of. If I cut off all contact with the outside world, miss school and work to play and start selling my possessions to pay the internet bill so I can keep playing, THEN you can call me addicted.
Part of the problem is this thing people keep trotting out that "THING X causes brain activity similar to people on cocaine". Yes. Cocaine directly stimulates the pleasure center of your brain. Anything you enjoy will cause this same reaction. Seeing a movie you like causes brain activity similar to being on cocaine. Finishing an assignment you've spent 3 weeks working on will cause brain activity similar to being on cocaine. Watching a dude wipe out of his skateboard then slide nut first down a rail will cause brain activity similar to being hit in the nuts among guys... followed by brain activity similar to being on cocaine. Dopamine is dopamine is dopamine.
Oh completelty. Hell, you could have responded "of course I am, this is /." and I've have understood. It's like when people confuse Schizophrenia and Disassociative Identity Disorder (not Multiple Personality Disorder, that's not a thing anymore)
Well now you're just being pedantic.
Nice graph. But this made front page news because YES IT IS. I have lived here my entire life and never felt an earthquake before. Ever. Same with everyone else I know who was all "wtf hooser?". People didn't freak out and frontpage this because earthquakes are common fare round these parts. Whether the fault line causes anything or not is irrelevant to the fact that here in the GTA this is the first earthquake we've actually felt in decades.
For the same reason a snow storm in Mexico would be news. It's unusual for the location. As a resident of Ontario this is the first earthquake I remember us ever having.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism
And then you pay an additional $30,000 per semester in heavy taxation. The cost has to come from somewhere, and in your case it's merely been deferred to your working years and your paycheck.
Also there are people paying for your college, who never went to college themselves. That doesn't seem fair that non-college people should have to support college people. Talk about the poor subsidizing the upper class! Bogus.
"$30,000" REALLY? Our taxes aren't that much higher than yours. Americans seem to have this image that we pay like 90% income tax and 50% HST or something. We don't. Also, "lower class supporting the upper class?" my family is lower middle class. Me and my siblings would not all have been able to afford to go to school without govt subsidy.
It's similar to the fact that were it not for international healthcare I would literally be dead right now since I would not have bothered going to check that minor chest pain which I thought was nothing and would not have paid $300 to get x-rays done for that ended up being a collapsed lung that was slowly killing me
Also, there are people whos houses never burn down who still have to support the fire dept. how is that fair? People who never eat every food the FDA ever inspects still pay into having that food inspected. people who don't drive (like me) still pay for road maintainance. If you want a fair society where you only pay for the things you specifically need then A) you're both, imho, greedy and an asshole and B) I suggest you go find a nice place in the woods up north free from police, social support and roads and see how long you make it without the social structure we're all chipping in to pay for.
Sure thing. As soon as you explain how that's in any way comparable to an entire society that developed without supply lines and lives above the permafrost line.
I pay about $1000/semester (not counting rent, food and books) for a full load. But I live in Canada. Where the evil socialist dragons live.
Yeah, the, what? 20 people at Antarctic Research? Not the same an entire society living above the permafrost line.
Seriously. Google the word "Trivial". It doesn't mean what you think it means.
You said, "the seal heart stunt". Implying that eating seal hearts would be a stunt as opposed to any other official meeting where meat was served. If you were arguing that eating ANY meat was wrong you would have to consider nearly every meal she ever eats a "stunt" but you were clearly singling out the one where the animal being eaten was cute. If you're vegetarian then you're in even less position to argue because now you're holding a culture a set of moral standards they are physically incapable of living up to due to the nature of their climate.
if something cannot possibly benefit you but could possibly harm you (and maybe in unanticipated ways), clearly it is not in your interests to support that thing or to actively participate in it; furthermore, doing something that is not in your interests amounts to poor decision-making.
This implies that what google did gives me no benefit and can potentially harm me, which is clearly not the case.
I use Google Earth. The increased accuracy and efficiency of its improvement is to my benefit. Them doing something to motivate them to do it more rapidly is to my benefit. And even if you claim I could have reaped these benefits equally without their data collect, there is no possible harm to me as a result. As I stated, all they will do with this information is target ads at me more effectively, and I LIKE targeted ads. If I'm going to be seeing adverts anyways I would prefer they be for something I might have use for or at least something that interests me enough to click through, thereby supporting the site the ad is on.
Yeah. Like those assholes who eat pig meat, or cow meat OR ANY OTHER MEAT. IT'S JUST A TYPE OF MEAT. GET OVER IT. I'm sorry you find that particular animal cute but that's what they have up there. I'll eat seal heart. Hell, as long as it's nobody's pet I'll eat cat or dog too. When I decided I ate meat instead of being a vegetarian I agreed that animals were fair game for food. We've both decided that we're totally cool with murdering a living thing and eating it, please drop the pretense that you're somehow a better person because you insist on being shallow while you do it.
Yay! I can't wait for my city to become a temporary police state for the DeceptiCons! Seriously. moving throught TO is going to be hell.