What good does it do msft if you stay with office-2003, or earlier? If you did that, then you might just as well stay with XP - or earlier. And if you stayed with old XP and Office, then you might also stay old ms-exchange, and old windows-server, and so on.
The way things are supposed to work is: one person in the office uses the new msft application language. But for anybody else to use those macros, they have to upgrade ms-office, which mean they will have to upgrade their OS, which means an upgrade for exchange, and an upgrade for the server, and an upgrade for all the hardware, and so on.
It doesn't happen all at once. If it did people might reject the idea. It is an on-going process. And that process works like all hell. It has worked for a long time.
>>Especially since Microsoft is far less sue happy than their big competitor which is named after a fruit.
Exempt that msft sues by proxie. Msft pays Acacia or Scox to file the lawsuit, that way msft can avoid counter suits, or regulatory action. It is also better for msft's PR.
I used msft as example because msft is the best example I could think of. I suppose I could have used RIAA, MPAA, or BSA. But, those organization is bed with msft also.
Ford doesn't need the right. Unless you have $50 million to fight Ford in a legal battle, then ford wins automatically.
Msft does the same thing, that is what the scox-scam is all about. Msft does not like ibm, or anybody else, contributing to linux. So msft has made it clear that if you contribute to linux, you better be ready to spend $50 - $100 million defending yourself in a bogus lawsuit.
You have to convince the PHB that other businesses are using the F/OSS software successfully. Very few businesses want to go out on a limb just to save a few bucks. But, if the PHBs think they are burning up their budgets unnecessarily, they may give F/OSS a chance.
Anybody else notice this? I have not done a scientific study, but it seems to me that when an article is not msft friendly, there are a flood of the "N" word posts.
Yep $0.00 per hour. I have seen several such ads. I saw one where they wanted the web-developer to work for all the beer he/she could drink. Another ad promised a good reference, and good experience, in exchange for web development work. Another ad promised that if the business became successful, the developer would be paid - but only if the business were successful.
> Your initial clients can come from contacts in professional societies (if you maintain memberships) or from conferences or other social gatherings.
I assume you mean desktop support, or maybe simple web-sites? That's fine for getting started at an occasional $10 an hour, and maybe someday you can climb to $20 an hour, but that is about as far as you will ever go.
To get anywhere in IT, you need enterprise-level experience: SAP, Java, Oracle, Solaris, Cisco, Checkpoint, etc. Your social contacts probably just run windows desktop.
My opinion, based on 28 years in IT and a lot of research, is that desktop support will usually not lead to anything more. The reason is that you will be competing with people with much stronger credentials. Even if you try to go into windows admin, you will find yourself competing against hundreds of experienced MCSE admins.
IT jobs that pay more than menial labor have long *long* lists of experience requirements. And not just any experience, the kind of experience that is almost impossible to get, unless you already have it. Experience in enterprise level apps like SAP is valuable. Experience in destop technology and HTML is a joke.
But the way, I have followed job ads in the Denver area for 1.5 years. I recently came across a job for a help desk worker that requires a bachelors degree and significant professional experience. The pay is $16 dollars an hour. I also came across a part-time job for a web-developer that requires a bachelors degree, and many other other requirements, for $14 an hour. Unskilled labor often pays more.
See for yourself, go to techtoil.org, and click on "Salary Survey"
Parent post is typical PHB hype. No matter how much you improve your skill-set, there is somebody in a developing nation ready to do the same job for 1/10th your salary. Where I work, there are two ex-software developers now working as contract operators; and the operations dept is being offshored.
PC techs won't get offshored, of course they are already working for $10/hour (http://techtoil.org/htdocs/salary_survey.html).
From what I have seen, the only way to get a job in anything IT, is to already have at least two - and usually five - years of recent, verifiable, professional experience.
The PHBs expect you to work 60 hours a week and be on call 24x7, then use your free time to increase your skills for the company. Don't fall for it.
Ha! This will teach those damn snot-nose punks to expect too much! Outsource, offshore, hire H1Bs, make the entire IT field low-paying, and insecure, for new IT workers. Have tech workers work 70 hours a week, all sort of odd shifts, and be on-call 24x7. Then demand a college degree, certs, and experience, and don't pay a living wage.
Then publish all sorts of bullsh!t articles about how companies not find any IT workers, and how IT workers have it too good.
Thing I'm exaggerating? See the results of my informal survey, go to techtoil.org, and click on "Salary Survey" check out these sections:
I have followed job ads in Denver for about 1.5 years. I see ads for IT workers that advertise pay less than the pay advertised for unsilled workers. And IT work is often just as dead-end.
For example, I recently came across a job for a help desk worker that requires a bachelors degree and significant professional experience. The pay is $16 dollars an hour. I also came across a part-time job for a web-developer that requires a bachelors degree, and many other other requirements, for $14 an hour. Unskilled labor often pays more.
Employers expect people to spend four years of their lives, and tens of thousands of dollars, to aspire to a dead-end job that does not even pay a living wage. Those people in construction crews who hold up a stop sign earn much more, as do Golden-Gate bus drivers, and letter carriers.
To see the results of my informal survey, go to techtoil.org, and click on "Salary Survey" check out these sections:
I was born in 1959. When I was a kid, I ate all the junk food I could, and I was skinny as a rail. All kids my age did the same, but there no child obesity crises. Diet coke? Are you kidding, that sort of thing was strictly for old people. But, we didn't have video games.
This report is obviously biased, but he may be partially right.
And EDS, in turn, contracts out much of the support.
EDS handles sun datacenters all over the world. Moving offshore is nothing new for Sun/EDS, they have been doing it for years. So the physical machines will be hosted somewhere else? Meh.
Seriously. Not everybody hates Vista, but practically nobody really likes Vista. Even the industry journalists, analysts, whatever who usually very kind to msft, are not exactly wowwd by Vista. Not from what I've seen. Maybe you know of some glowing reviews?
This is what I can never understand. I see these posts all the time saying that Vista is not all that horrible. Wow! What a great selling point! I mean, if vista isn't all that horrible, I guess I better upgrade right away.
If I am going to spend good money to upgrade my hw and os, I want something that is *much* better, otherwise, why bother? I want an actual reason to "upgrade."
I am running a 5 year old PC that dual boots debian and w2k, let me know when there is an actual reason for me to uprgrade. I just do not understand the logic of upgrading for no other reason than another windows version happens to exist.
>>Faith is a conclusion one reaches based on one's interpretation of the facts.
Interpretation of what facts? There are stars in the sky, therefore there must be a god - something like that?
In that case, does everybody get to all the same religious beliefs individually, or does somebody proclaim something, and all his followers believe it?
Also, what about all the specifics? Did Jesus come back from the dead? What facts are interpreted to support that?
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What good does it do msft if you stay with office-2003, or earlier? If you did that, then you might just as well stay with XP - or earlier. And if you stayed with old XP and Office, then you might also stay old ms-exchange, and old windows-server, and so on.
The way things are supposed to work is: one person in the office uses the new msft application language. But for anybody else to use those macros, they have to upgrade ms-office, which mean they will have to upgrade their OS, which means an upgrade for exchange, and an upgrade for the server, and an upgrade for all the hardware, and so on.
It doesn't happen all at once. If it did people might reject the idea. It is an on-going process. And that process works like all hell. It has worked for a long time.
I have seen posts on slashdot before that say stuff like: "I only download to see if like the song." But, I am not seeing any posts like that today.
If we really want to be honest, then let's admit the recording companies, and other companies, are just as dishonest in their own way.
>>Especially since Microsoft is far less sue happy than their big competitor which is named after a fruit.
Exempt that msft sues by proxie. Msft pays Acacia or Scox to file the lawsuit, that way msft can avoid counter suits, or regulatory action. It is also better for msft's PR.
I used msft as example because msft is the best example I could think of. I suppose I could have used RIAA, MPAA, or BSA. But, those organization is bed with msft also.
Maybe now the ford fans will say: "fsck ford! If that's the way the want to treat us!"
Ford doesn't need the right. Unless you have $50 million to fight Ford in a legal battle, then ford wins automatically.
Msft does the same thing, that is what the scox-scam is all about. Msft does not like ibm, or anybody else, contributing to linux. So msft has made it clear that if you contribute to linux, you better be ready to spend $50 - $100 million defending yourself in a bogus lawsuit.
Or, at least it looks better than Vista, or Mac.
Assuming that supply will follow demand, a recession might be good for f/oss.
You have to convince the PHB that other businesses are using the F/OSS software successfully. Very few businesses want to go out on a limb just to save a few bucks. But, if the PHBs think they are burning up their budgets unnecessarily, they may give F/OSS a chance.
Free software is often associated with illegal, or spyware loaded, or trial-ware, or beta-versions, or god-only-knows what.
No business wants "free" software that is loaded with problems.
Anybody else notice this? I have not done a scientific study, but it seems to me that when an article is not msft friendly, there are a flood of the "N" word posts.
Yep $0.00 per hour. I have seen several such ads. I saw one where they wanted the web-developer to work for all the beer he/she could drink. Another ad promised a good reference, and good experience, in exchange for web development work. Another ad promised that if the business became successful, the developer would be paid - but only if the business were successful.
> Your initial clients can come from contacts in professional societies (if you maintain memberships) or from conferences or other social gatherings.
I assume you mean desktop support, or maybe simple web-sites? That's fine for getting started at an occasional $10 an hour, and maybe someday you can climb to $20 an hour, but that is about as far as you will ever go.
To get anywhere in IT, you need enterprise-level experience: SAP, Java, Oracle, Solaris, Cisco, Checkpoint, etc. Your social contacts probably just run windows desktop.
My opinion, based on 28 years in IT and a lot of research, is that desktop support will usually not lead to anything more. The reason is that you will be competing with people with much stronger credentials. Even if you try to go into windows admin, you will find yourself competing against hundreds of experienced MCSE admins.
Or, did I mis-understand you?
IT jobs that pay more than menial labor have long *long* lists of experience requirements. And not just any experience, the kind of experience that is almost impossible to get, unless you already have it. Experience in enterprise level apps like SAP is valuable. Experience in destop technology and HTML is a joke.
But the way, I have followed job ads in the Denver area for 1.5 years. I recently came across a job for a help desk worker that requires a bachelors degree and significant professional experience. The pay is $16 dollars an hour. I also came across a part-time job for a web-developer that requires a bachelors degree, and many other other requirements, for $14 an hour. Unskilled labor often pays more.
See for yourself, go to techtoil.org, and click on "Salary Survey"
These sorts of articles come out all the time. No real data, pure opinion.
Actually, it's not even opinion. It's agenda driven.
Parent post is typical PHB hype. No matter how much you improve your skill-set, there is somebody in a developing nation ready to do the same job for 1/10th your salary. Where I work, there are two ex-software developers now working as contract operators; and the operations dept is being offshored.
PC techs won't get offshored, of course they are already working for $10/hour (http://techtoil.org/htdocs/salary_survey.html).
From what I have seen, the only way to get a job in anything IT, is to already have at least two - and usually five - years of recent, verifiable, professional experience.
The PHBs expect you to work 60 hours a week and be on call 24x7, then use your free time to increase your skills for the company. Don't fall for it.
http://www.itpro.co.uk/news/154929/shells-it-outsourcing-plans-lambasted.html
Ha! This will teach those damn snot-nose punks to expect too much! Outsource, offshore, hire H1Bs, make the entire IT field low-paying, and insecure, for new IT workers. Have tech workers work 70 hours a week, all sort of odd shifts, and be on-call 24x7. Then demand a college degree, certs, and experience, and don't pay a living wage.
Then publish all sorts of bullsh!t articles about how companies not find any IT workers, and how IT workers have it too good.
Thing I'm exaggerating? See the results of my informal survey, go to techtoil.org, and click on "Salary Survey" check out these sections:
# TECH/HELPDESK : $10 - $20/hour
# UNSKILLED LABOR : $8 - $16/hour
# WEB DESIGN : $0 - $30/hour
I have followed job ads in Denver for about 1.5 years. I see ads for IT workers that advertise pay less than the pay advertised for unsilled workers. And IT work is often just as dead-end.
For example, I recently came across a job for a help desk worker that requires a bachelors degree and significant professional experience. The pay is $16 dollars an hour. I also came across a part-time job for a web-developer that requires a bachelors degree, and many other other requirements, for $14 an hour. Unskilled labor often pays more.
Employers expect people to spend four years of their lives, and tens of thousands of dollars, to aspire to a dead-end job that does not even pay a living wage. Those people in construction crews who hold up a stop sign earn much more, as do Golden-Gate bus drivers, and letter carriers.
To see the results of my informal survey, go to techtoil.org, and click on "Salary Survey" check out these sections:
# TECH/HELPDESK : $10 - $20/hour
# UNSKILLED LABOR : $8 - $16/hour
# WEB DESIGN : $0 - $30/hour
I was born in 1959. When I was a kid, I ate all the junk food I could, and I was skinny as a rail. All kids my age did the same, but there no child obesity crises. Diet coke? Are you kidding, that sort of thing was strictly for old people. But, we didn't have video games.
This report is obviously biased, but he may be partially right.
I don't know how they got these statistics, But I don't think netsscape has had 9% of the market since 1998.
And EDS, in turn, contracts out much of the support.
EDS handles sun datacenters all over the world. Moving offshore is nothing new for Sun/EDS, they have been doing it for years. So the physical machines will be hosted somewhere else? Meh.
Seriously. Not everybody hates Vista, but practically nobody really likes Vista. Even the industry journalists, analysts, whatever who usually very kind to msft, are not exactly wowwd by Vista. Not from what I've seen. Maybe you know of some glowing reviews?
This is what I can never understand. I see these posts all the time saying that Vista is not all that horrible. Wow! What a great selling point! I mean, if vista isn't all that horrible, I guess I better upgrade right away.
If I am going to spend good money to upgrade my hw and os, I want something that is *much* better, otherwise, why bother? I want an actual reason to "upgrade."
I am running a 5 year old PC that dual boots debian and w2k, let me know when there is an actual reason for me to uprgrade. I just do not understand the logic of upgrading for no other reason than another windows version happens to exist.
>>In my mind 2000 is simply the best version of Windows made, bar none
Agree 100%.
Fast, stable, no DRM, low hardware requirements, runs everything I want to run, works with all my hardware, and no fisher-price interface.
No way in hell will vista ever catch up with 2k.
As I remember, I can not even create a simple table in markdown. That kills the deal for me.
>>Faith is a conclusion one reaches based on one's interpretation of the facts.
Interpretation of what facts? There are stars in the sky, therefore there must be a god - something like that?
In that case, does everybody get to all the same religious beliefs individually, or does somebody proclaim something, and all his followers believe it?
Also, what about all the specifics? Did Jesus come back from the dead? What facts are interpreted to support that?