>>Well, in how many fields could you expect to be paid high wages as an entry-level beginner, with little experience and no specialty?
I have actually done some research on it. As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as entry level Oracle DBA, or SAP whatever. Even if you're willing to work for minimum wage, even if you have certifications and/or a college degree.
I suspect that's the reason that those jobs pay so well - it would be nearly impossible to get started, especially with SAP. You can teach yourself ms-access, html, css, javascript, php, etc. you can even create projects to show you know what you are doing. You can always find some small business that needs some work - even if it doesn't pay well. But SAP? How do you learn that?
So my point is: if you're not already an Oracle DBA, or a SAP consultant, it doesn't do you any good to know how well those jobs pay. Either you already have years of recent, verifiable experience, or those jobs are not for you.
At least, that's the way the situation in Denver looks to me.
>>I mean, how often does a publicly traded company sue someone 100x their size based on nothing but hot air?
When their company is dead anyway, and msft is paying for the lawsuit, and msft is making sure that time small-time redneck scammers are making (for them) big bucks? McBride is getting $34K a month, btw.
Forget this David vs Golieth, BS. The financing for the entire scam was arranged by msft. And msft has twice the market cap of IBM.
They may mean USA, or maybe they mean wages in India?
The hottest skills sound about right. But, if you don't have 5 years recent experience already, you can forget about those area: SAP, Project Management, database administrators.
-shameless plug- Please feel free to view my research on IT wages, collected in the Denver area, go here:
I believe that's how he characterized all Linux users.
Gotta love his lavish praise of "intrepid reporter" Maureen O'Gara. Dan just loved the way Maureen relentlessly stalked, and harassed, PJ and PJ's elderly mother. Especially the way Maureen bragged about obtaining, and researching PJ's private cell-phone records, and looking inside PJ's residence, and bashing PJ's religious beliefs. Maureen's action were so vile, that the entire editorial staff of linuxworld resigned in disgust. Dan loved it.
Don't forget about how Danny squealed like a stuck pig about bloggers, and message board posters, not giving their true identity, then he turns out to be the fake Steve Jobs.
Clearly, he misses the whole point, probably deliberately. Whether he personally likes Linux is meaningless. I don't dislike people for not liking Linux. People can hate Linux all they want, and they can say so, doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I think they sometimes make some good points. And, for all I care, people can hate groklaw, or PJ, as well.
My problem with Lyons is that he's a liar, a hypocrite, and a bully. For somebody who loves Linux so much, he was certainly quick to side with the company that was trying to destroy Linux, and to have a complete hissy-fit against who opposed the scam. And where are these 67 positive Linux articles? Is he sure it isn't more like one or two, writen after it was decided that scox doesn't even own UNIX? And where are his retractions and apologies after it turned out the PJ, and the message board posters were right all along? Why isn't he slamming scox and msft for the obvious scam?
"On May 29, 2007, we [Arrowhead Research] sold to certain institutional and accredited investors an aggregate of 2,849,446 shares of common stock (the "Private Placement Shares") at a per share purchase price of $5.78, and Warrants to purchase up to an additional 712,363 shares of common stock (the "Warrant Shares"), exercisable at $7.06 per share, in the Private Placement. Two investment vehicles of York Capital Management, a stockholder holding greater than 10% of the Company's Common Stock, participated in the offering."
"The consolidated financial statements include the accounts of Arrowhead Research Corporation (a Delaware Corporation), formally InterActive Group, Inc., and Arrowhead Research Corporation (a California Corporation), a wholly-owned
subsidiary. All significant intercompany accounts and transactions have been eliminated in consolidation.
. . . .
In October 2003, in connection with an initial private placement of Common Stock, the Company [Arrowhead Research] accepted 80,255 shares of Acacia Research Corporation, valued at $500,000, and $500,000 cash in exchange for 1,000,000 units. The shares are carried on the financial statements as marketable securities. See Note 3."
"On May 29, 2007, we [Arrowhead Research] sold to certain institutional and accredited investors an aggregate of 2,849,446 shares of common stock (the "Private Placement Shares") at a per share purchase price of $5.78, and Warrants to purchase up to an additional 712,363 shares of common stock (the "Warrant Shares"), exercisable at $7.06 per share, in the Private Placement. Two investment vehicles of York Capital Management, a stockholder holding greater than 10% of the Company's Common Stock, participated in the offering."
>>With age and work experience...and years of accomplishments, comes increased position and pay.
In IT, "age and work experience...and years of accomplishments" often mean that you can expect to be the next to laid off. A lot of people consider a developer to be washed up at 35. Besides, why should a company "increased position and pay" when they can just hire somebody offshore for 1/10th the cost?
I'm sorry, but I think you have IT confused with a real career field.
That's way below the threshold of distros that most linux users have even heard of.
But what is the advantage over XP or Win2K?
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I keep seeing these types of posts: "Vista doesn't really suck all that bad. If you have gobs of money to spend on hardware, and gobs of time to spend tweaking, then Vista almost works as well as XP or W2K."
To msft users, I guess these posts seem logical. But I always think: WTF? why are switching at all?
I know somebody is going to say that he has a great job, and they can never get rid of him, yada yada. But, that doesn't mean anyting.
What about people just entering the field? What about 5 years from now, or 10 years from now?
Who want's to spend $80K on a college education, and work their ass off. Then, toil for entry level wages for another 5 years, only to train their $5/hour replacements in the Ukraine, or whatever? Great "career" right?
Most IT work is tedious, and unimporant. The pay, at best, is nothing special. And employers seem to have an never-ending list of requirements, even for an "entry level" job.
I think it's safe to say that there are better career choices.
Msft has filed hundreds of bogus patents. And braying jackass Steve Ballmer uses msft's bogus patent arsenal to threaten the world on a regular basis.
Msft's err, "business partners" : scox and acacia, have actually gone as far as filing lawsuits, apparently on msft's behest. Scox has sued Autozone, Chysler, IBM, and Novell.
How about IBM? I don't remember IBM constantly threating everybody with harassment lawsuits. IBM certainly has the patents - and unlike msft, those patents are for real.
So, I don't know, but maybe this is a defensive move on IBM's part?
Remember when everybody was saying: "why should I use Vista" and the standard msft PR was "why not just use a horse and buggy."
It seems that whenever msft comes out with something useless, like office-2007, and anybody points out the uselessness, the msft shills will always come back with that sort of response.
Maybe foxpro was a bad example since msft did not officially kill foxpro. Msft certainly did not promote foxpro. I think it's fair to assume that msft didn't want foxpro competing with msft's database offerings.
Instead of the states taking ineffective legal action, how about this: "msft knock it off, or we won't buy your stuff. We'll use mac, or linux, or whatever. Then we'll insist on all documents in non-msft format: odf, pdf, whatever. Then we'll insist on firefox only as a browser. And all multi-media must also be in a non-msft format - no.wma or.wmv."
Could you imagine how msft would react? Lawsuits take ten years, cost $100 million, and get you nowhere.
>>Apparently I was being too subtle about my requests for you to prove your point, so I'll say it outright: you're lying, I deny it, it's not true. There, now prove it.>I claim to be willfully ignorant of an obscure case that only a small fraction of the technical community would be interested it>I also find it that of all of MS' "misdeeds" you've listed, this is the only one you've given any attention to. When I dispute your other claims, you just trim them from your response.>You were wrong about Stacker> you were wrong about Eberle> you were wrong about AdTI...
Go to wikipedia, look up AdTI, or google it. They admit to being msft funded.
Hey! I just found a much better way to do something. But, nobody seems to be doing things that way right now, so I better just forget it.
That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
There may be some good reasons for.doc. I still use.doc for sending resumes, I just don't have the patients to explian to a recruiter (who's last job was selling cusome jewlery at the the flea market) that ms-word will read.rtf or whatever.
But, to say that "nobody seems to be using it, so forget it" is PHB level stupid. Did it ever occure to the grossly overpaid exec that there could be other criteria? For example, a fully documented open format, that will be sure to work 10 or 20 years from now?
>>Really? Asking you to provide proof of your statements is unreasonable?>No thanks, I'm not going through thousands of legal documents to prove YOUR point.
Then you can not deny MY point, can you? Really, if you are reasonable about it, you can research the case without reading all that. But if you want proof, there it is.
You claim to be willfully ignorant. That is not my fault.
You are clearly not trying to be fair or reasonable. You are only to deny or challang anything that might be percieved as anti-msft.
For example: -- astroturfing, i.e. famous letters-from-dead-people campaign
I specifically excluded conspiracy theories from the criteria. --
What I posted has nothing to do with a "conspiracy." It is also not a "theory" msft admitted to it. In fact msft admits to many of their scams. How about outright lying to the US-DoJ in video-taped testomony? How about msft outright stealing stacker technology. Yeah, go ahead and deny it. Why do you think msft pays about a billion in lawsuit settlements?
How about msft having anti-foss "journalists" on the payroll? Like Enderle or O'Gara?
And you don't know anything about the scox-scam? How convient, Do you live in a cave? It's been front page tech news for the last 4.5 years. Go to groklaw.net, there you can read up on about 1000 legal documents, all the proof you want, I promise. Also, you may want to look up the famous Halloween email. Oh year, msft admitted to giving scox $17 million.
The msft fake benchmark scam is very well known. I won't bother to spoon feed you the links since you won't read them. And anyway, ever hear of google?
Also, did I mention the fake think tanks that msft hires to slime f/oss? Look up AdTI.
Considering that there is a plethora of perfectly good OSS licenses currently available, why would an OSS developer want to license code under a msft license?
Nobody with any sense trusts msft. Not msft customers, not msft business partners, and certianly not OSS developers.
I managed to get my bachelors in math, but I was a struggler, not a natural. At first, I did absolutely awful in college - although I did very well in high school. I managed to do better in college, by improving my study skills.
1) Make use of other people. Unlike many other subjects, with math it can really help to have something explained by a live person. Make use of teachers, tutors, and fellow students.
2) Don't fall behind. Unlike many other subjects, cramming seldomly works with math. You can get hung-up on some concept and not be able to go any further. In math, you are always building on what you have already learned.
3) If one source doesn't work, use another, and another. If you read on books explaination, and it doesn't make sense for you, get another book and read that explaination. Read a few explainations.
4) Of course, do as many problems as you can.
5) If you having trouble, do your best to isolate exactly where the problem. That way you can explain to somebody else much better. Also, the process of isolating the difficulty will lead to the solution.
6) Sometimes it helps to know the history of certain areas of math.
Problem is: you take msft to court, and msft will bleed you dry with legal expenses. Legal expenses are nothing to msft. Settlements are nothing to msft either.
Msft gets sued all of the time. Msft pays about $1 billion a year in settlements. But, when your taking in $40 billion a year, it's just a minor cost of doing business.
Msft strives to be antagonistic to everybody, especially msft customers. Maybe you're not away of msft's long criminal history?
Msft claims that linux violates msft patents. Why doesn't msft put up or shut up? Msft has been making these specious claims for years. Logically, if msft had evidence, then msft would present it. Unless it's just another msft fud campaign. Right?
Msft has been caught red-handed in *numerous* outright lies and scams: how about bald face lying to the US-DoJ?
How about outright stealling stacker technoloy? How about the letters from dead people campaigns? How about fronting with fake think-tanks? How about astro-turfing with a letters-from-dead-people campaign? How about the obvious corruption in the OOXML scam? How about paying another company many millions to have that company file a totally bogus lawsuit against IBM, just to FUD Linux. How about bogus benchmarks, and bogus TCO studies. Please, name another major software company that does all that.
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>>Well, in how many fields could you expect to be paid high wages as an entry-level beginner, with little experience and no specialty?
I have actually done some research on it. As far as I can tell, there is no such thing as entry level Oracle DBA, or SAP whatever. Even if you're willing to work for minimum wage, even if you have certifications and/or a college degree.
I suspect that's the reason that those jobs pay so well - it would be nearly impossible to get started, especially with SAP. You can teach yourself ms-access, html, css, javascript, php, etc. you can even create projects to show you know what you are doing. You can always find some small business that needs some work - even if it doesn't pay well. But SAP? How do you learn that?
So my point is: if you're not already an Oracle DBA, or a SAP consultant, it doesn't do you any good to know how well those jobs pay. Either you already have years of recent, verifiable experience, or those jobs are not for you.
At least, that's the way the situation in Denver looks to me.
>>I mean, how often does a publicly traded company sue someone 100x their size based on nothing but hot air?
When their company is dead anyway, and msft is paying for the lawsuit, and msft is making sure that time small-time redneck scammers are making (for them) big bucks? McBride is getting $34K a month, btw.
Forget this David vs Golieth, BS. The financing for the entire scam was arranged by msft. And msft has twice the market cap of IBM.
They may mean USA, or maybe they mean wages in India?
The hottest skills sound about right. But, if you don't have 5 years recent experience already, you can forget about those area: SAP, Project Management, database administrators.
-shameless plug-
Please feel free to view my research on IT wages, collected in the Denver area, go here:
http://it-careers.pbwiki.com/
And click on "IT Salary Survey"
I believe that's how he characterized all Linux users.
Gotta love his lavish praise of "intrepid reporter" Maureen O'Gara. Dan just loved the way Maureen relentlessly stalked, and harassed, PJ and PJ's elderly mother. Especially the way Maureen bragged about obtaining, and researching PJ's private cell-phone records, and looking inside PJ's residence, and bashing PJ's religious beliefs. Maureen's action were so vile, that the entire editorial staff of linuxworld resigned in disgust. Dan loved it.
Don't forget about how Danny squealed like a stuck pig about bloggers, and message board posters, not giving their true identity, then he turns out to be the fake Steve Jobs.
Clearly, he misses the whole point, probably deliberately. Whether he personally likes Linux is meaningless. I don't dislike people for not liking Linux. People can hate Linux all they want, and they can say so, doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I think they sometimes make some good points. And, for all I care, people can hate groklaw, or PJ, as well.
My problem with Lyons is that he's a liar, a hypocrite, and a bully. For somebody who loves Linux so much, he was certainly quick to side with the company that was trying to destroy Linux, and to have a complete hissy-fit against who opposed the scam. And where are these 67 positive Linux articles? Is he sure it isn't more like one or two, writen after it was decided that scox doesn't even own UNIX? And where are his retractions and apologies after it turned out the PJ, and the message board posters were right all along? Why isn't he slamming scox and msft for the obvious scam?
Acacia = "InterActive Group" = "Arrowhead Research" (= Msft?)
"On May 29, 2007, we [Arrowhead Research] sold to certain institutional and accredited investors an aggregate of 2,849,446 shares of common stock (the "Private Placement Shares") at a per share purchase price of $5.78, and Warrants to purchase up to an additional 712,363 shares of common stock (the "Warrant Shares"), exercisable at $7.06 per share, in the Private Placement. Two investment vehicles of York Capital Management, a stockholder holding greater than 10% of the Company's Common Stock, participated in the offering."
http://www.secinfo.com/d14D5a.u4d4r.htm
"Arrowhead Research" refers to Arrowhead Research Corporation, a Delaware corporation and formerly known as InterActive Group, Inc."
http://www.nasdaq.com/asp/symbols.asp?exchange=NGM&start=A&sort=cap&Type=0
"The consolidated financial statements include the accounts of Arrowhead Research Corporation (a Delaware Corporation), formally InterActive Group, Inc., and Arrowhead Research Corporation (a California Corporation), a wholly-owned subsidiary. All significant intercompany accounts and transactions have been eliminated in consolidation.
. . . .
In October 2003, in connection with an initial private placement of Common Stock, the Company [Arrowhead Research] accepted 80,255 shares of Acacia Research Corporation, valued at $500,000, and $500,000 cash in exchange for 1,000,000 units. The shares are carried on the financial statements as marketable securities. See Note 3."
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2004/05/17/0001015402-04-002107/Section7.asp
"On May 29, 2007, we [Arrowhead Research] sold to certain institutional and accredited investors an aggregate of 2,849,446 shares of common stock (the "Private Placement Shares") at a per share purchase price of $5.78, and Warrants to purchase up to an additional 712,363 shares of common stock (the "Warrant Shares"), exercisable at $7.06 per share, in the Private Placement. Two investment vehicles of York Capital Management, a stockholder holding greater than 10% of the Company's Common Stock, participated in the offering."
http://www.secinfo.com/d14D5a.u4d4r.htm
>>With age and work experience...and years of accomplishments, comes increased position and pay.
In IT, "age and work experience...and years of accomplishments" often mean that you can expect to be the next to laid off. A lot of people consider a developer to be washed up at 35. Besides, why should a company "increased position and pay" when they can just hire somebody offshore for 1/10th the cost?
I'm sorry, but I think you have IT confused with a real career field.
That's way below the threshold of distros that most linux users have even heard of.
I keep seeing these types of posts: "Vista doesn't really suck all that bad. If you have gobs of money to spend on hardware, and gobs of time to spend tweaking, then Vista almost works as well as XP or W2K."
To msft users, I guess these posts seem logical. But I always think: WTF? why are switching at all?
I know somebody is going to say that he has a great job, and they can never get rid of him, yada yada. But, that doesn't mean anyting.
What about people just entering the field? What about 5 years from now, or 10 years from now?
Who want's to spend $80K on a college education, and work their ass off. Then, toil for entry level wages for another 5 years, only to train their $5/hour replacements in the Ukraine, or whatever? Great "career" right?
Most IT work is tedious, and unimporant. The pay, at best, is nothing special. And employers seem to have an never-ending list of requirements, even for an "entry level" job.
I think it's safe to say that there are better career choices.
By my count:
Apple:
1) first practical PC
2) first practical GUI
3) Slam-dunk success with iTunes
4) Slam-dunk success with iPhone
Msft, by contrast, has long been know for sub-standard technology. Vista is a dissaster.
Please give me an example of Apple's "bad technology."
Msft has filed hundreds of bogus patents. And braying jackass Steve Ballmer uses msft's bogus patent arsenal to threaten the world on a regular basis.
Msft's err, "business partners" : scox and acacia, have actually gone as far as filing lawsuits, apparently on msft's behest. Scox has sued Autozone, Chysler, IBM, and Novell.
How about IBM? I don't remember IBM constantly threating everybody with harassment lawsuits. IBM certainly has the patents - and unlike msft, those patents are for real.
So, I don't know, but maybe this is a defensive move on IBM's part?
Remember when everybody was saying: "why should I use Vista" and the standard msft PR was "why not just use a horse and buggy."
It seems that whenever msft comes out with something useless, like office-2007, and anybody points out the uselessness, the msft shills will always come back with that sort of response.
Maybe foxpro was a bad example since msft did not officially kill foxpro. Msft certainly did not promote foxpro. I think it's fair to assume that msft didn't want foxpro competing with msft's database offerings.
If msft buys any OSS companies, it will probably be just to kill the competition. Remember Foxpro?
Instead of the states taking ineffective legal action, how about this: "msft knock it off, or we won't buy your stuff. We'll use mac, or linux, or whatever. Then we'll insist on all documents in non-msft format: odf, pdf, whatever. Then we'll insist on firefox only as a browser. And all multi-media must also be in a non-msft format - no .wma or .wmv."
Could you imagine how msft would react? Lawsuits take ten years, cost $100 million, and get you nowhere.
>>Apparently I was being too subtle about my requests for you to prove your point, so I'll say it outright: you're lying, I deny it, it's not true. There, now prove it.>I claim to be willfully ignorant of an obscure case that only a small fraction of the technical community would be interested it>I also find it that of all of MS' "misdeeds" you've listed, this is the only one you've given any attention to. When I dispute your other claims, you just trim them from your response.>You were wrong about Stacker> you were wrong about Eberle> you were wrong about AdTI...
Go to wikipedia, look up AdTI, or google it. They admit to being msft funded.
Hey! I just found a much better way to do something. But, nobody seems to be doing things that way right now, so I better just forget it.
.doc. I still use .doc for sending resumes, I just don't have the patients to explian to a recruiter (who's last job was selling cusome jewlery at the the flea market) that ms-word will read .rtf or whatever.
That makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
There may be some good reasons for
But, to say that "nobody seems to be using it, so forget it" is PHB level stupid. Did it ever occure to the grossly overpaid exec that there could be other criteria? For example, a fully documented open format, that will be sure to work 10 or 20 years from now?
Misinformation is rampant these days, and Forbes is one of the worst offenders.
I can not even remember the number of times that these sorts of studies turned out to be funded by some party with an agenda.
>>Really? Asking you to provide proof of your statements is unreasonable?>No thanks, I'm not going through thousands of legal documents to prove YOUR point.
Then you can not deny MY point, can you? Really, if you are reasonable about it, you can research the case without reading all that. But if you want proof, there it is.
You claim to be willfully ignorant. That is not my fault.
You are clearly not trying to be fair or reasonable. You are only to deny or challang anything that might be percieved as anti-msft.
For example:
--
astroturfing, i.e. famous letters-from-dead-people campaign
I specifically excluded conspiracy theories from the criteria.
--
What I posted has nothing to do with a "conspiracy." It is also not a "theory" msft admitted to it. In fact msft admits to many of their scams. How about outright lying to the US-DoJ in video-taped testomony? How about msft outright stealing stacker technology. Yeah, go ahead and deny it. Why do you think msft pays about a billion in lawsuit settlements?
How about msft having anti-foss "journalists" on the payroll? Like Enderle or O'Gara?
And you don't know anything about the scox-scam? How convient, Do you live in a cave? It's been front page tech news for the last 4.5 years. Go to groklaw.net, there you can read up on about 1000 legal documents, all the proof you want, I promise. Also, you may want to look up the famous Halloween email. Oh year, msft admitted to giving scox $17 million.
The msft fake benchmark scam is very well known. I won't bother to spoon feed you the links since you won't read them. And anyway, ever hear of google?
Also, did I mention the fake think tanks that msft hires to slime f/oss? Look up AdTI.
How about the ongoing, msft financed, scox-scam?
The msft/bestbuy rackteering scam has been in the news lately.
astroturfing, i.e. famous letters-from-dead-people campaign
- http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/24514/
fake tco studies
- http://os.newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=05/06/23/2027229
fake benchmark studies: the apache scam.
You're welcome.
Considering that there is a plethora of perfectly good OSS licenses currently available, why would an OSS developer want to license code under a msft license?
Nobody with any sense trusts msft. Not msft customers, not msft business partners, and certianly not OSS developers.
I managed to get my bachelors in math, but I was a struggler, not a natural. At first, I did absolutely awful in college - although I did very well in high school. I managed to do better in college, by improving my study skills.
1) Make use of other people. Unlike many other subjects, with math it can really help to have something explained by a live person. Make use of teachers, tutors, and fellow students.
2) Don't fall behind. Unlike many other subjects, cramming seldomly works with math. You can get hung-up on some concept and not be able to go any further. In math, you are always building on what you have already learned.
3) If one source doesn't work, use another, and another. If you read on books explaination, and it doesn't make sense for you, get another book and read that explaination. Read a few explainations.
4) Of course, do as many problems as you can.
5) If you having trouble, do your best to isolate exactly where the problem. That way you can explain to somebody else much better. Also, the process of isolating the difficulty will lead to the solution.
6) Sometimes it helps to know the history of certain areas of math.
Possibly RICO violations.
Problem is: you take msft to court, and msft will bleed you dry with legal expenses. Legal expenses are nothing to msft. Settlements are nothing to msft either.
Msft gets sued all of the time. Msft pays about $1 billion a year in settlements. But, when your taking in $40 billion a year, it's just a minor cost of doing business.
Msft strives to be antagonistic to everybody, especially msft customers. Maybe you're not away of msft's long criminal history?
Msft claims that linux violates msft patents. Why doesn't msft put up or shut up? Msft has been making these specious claims for years. Logically, if msft had evidence, then msft would present it. Unless it's just another msft fud campaign. Right?
Msft has been caught red-handed in *numerous* outright lies and scams: how about bald face lying to the US-DoJ?
How about outright stealling stacker technoloy? How about the letters from dead people campaigns? How about fronting with fake think-tanks? How about astro-turfing with a letters-from-dead-people campaign? How about the obvious corruption in the OOXML scam? How about paying another company many millions to have that company file a totally bogus lawsuit against IBM, just to FUD Linux. How about bogus benchmarks, and bogus TCO studies. Please, name another major software company that does all that.