Who cares if it would've been unpopular?! That's what business is all about. That's what capitalism is all about: getting a limited monopoly from the government (a patent) in order to restrict the trade of your competitors in reward for a brilliant insight or idea. That's what patents are for. They're not something you play with in kindergarten. They're not like shuffleboard or parchesi. They're important stuff.
Either you are +1 Funny (Sarcastic), or -1 Troll.
Surely your not proposing that 'profit motive' is the only important factor in life? Maybe we should eliminate patents all together just to give Capatalists a little shake up - the system is not working - and what you propose is *MORE* corporate-power-hording.
Suggestion to Symantec: Give your Patent to the FSF. Release the patent GPL.
My advice to you: Re-evaluate your priorities, you'll be dead soon.. and no one likes a greedy, selfish, myopic jackass... you cant *buy* wisdom, peace or contentment - re-adjust your life-goals.. help re-adjust the goals of your country.
*BUT* im thinking you mean that as +1 funny... i hope.
I cannot find this "dump of 'ew 18GB Barracuda drives for $70 each'"
$30 for the FC2-2DB9 and I might consider it... but right now these 'dumped drives' seem a little vapourous - could our/. editors not be maintaining their usually high level of integrity and *confirming* their stories...
Re read my post. The RIAA is a COLLUSIVE OLIGOPOLY. They are acting as a group (violating anti-trust law un-too-itself) *AND* they are acting as a group to form a MONOPOLY. A Monopoly doenst have to be a single business...
Why hasnt the US Government begun Anti-Trust suits against the entire RIAA? There are a collusive monopoly(oligopoly) - if they *werent* they wouldnt have to consider this 'copyright change' because the Internet is an *OPPORTUNITY* - but the RIAA is big enough that they are waiting out the public and internet in order to set terms to the marketplace.
The US Gov. should break up the RIAA and divide the big labels into smaller companies.
I have in my hand a list of 107 known Communists in the Open Source Movement.
Dont laugh!:) its been how long has it been since America went on a Witch hunt.. if MP3s are 'like communism' then how long until this *really* happens. McArthy-ism is still very strong in America. You cant even suggest Universal Health Care without being called a Communist... I wouldnt laugh just yet. The whole nation has been traumatized that 'Communism == Evil' and 'Sharing Anything == Communism.'
I once was driving home from visiting someone in Chicago. The mid-day news came on and began babbling about Terrorism(TM) and the Middle East(TM). I heard a byline to a story that made my blood boil: "... and we had better decide, because after all, we are the richest and most powerful country in the world."
I dont care to debate weather America(TM) is or is-not the 'richest and most powerful'. What I would like to point out to Americans is that this self-aggrandizing hubris is what confuses many of your neighbours. They hear this kind of crap and really take stock in the American Way(TM) religion the plutocrats have sold you.
Ive recently read this book. In it the author speaks about "how all through time Kings, Priests and Rulers have tried to force slaves to work. But the Slaves always find a way to sabotage the aims of the Ruler. That the more you abuse and oppress your slaves the *POORER* their 'production' towards your goals. And God save us if Any Priest, Ruler or King ever discovered a way to 'violate' this historical pattern". When i read that Ice ran through my veins. I wondered if the gluttonous, myopic, shallow American Way(TM) was this discovery. I see the American Way(TM) like this: "You are the center of the universe. You are the only thing that should be important to you. Everyone else is out to screw you - screw them first. Enjoy/Indulge yourself - you are the height of importance."
Well, actually you didnt. But America is responsible for the present state of the Economic World. America has been used by Capitalists as a breading/staging ground on the rest of the planet.
Please read these two links
here and here. American Plutocrats have managed to use the natural resources of the unexploited 'America'. They are now starting a campaign of Imperialism this world has never seen through the WTO, World Bank et al.
AMERICANS have got to take control of their Government and bring these groups back to reality... please do it soon... No one likes the direction you're (were) heading.
''I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business.''
''I'm an American, I believe in the American Way," Sorry America - are you starting to see the light? Do you ever wonder why people hate The American Way(TM)? This is exactly it. This is not a troll - Im serious, this is how people see America...
There is one reason Apple is using BSD for OSX. ITS FREE TO STEAL. If Apple was interested in an "Open Source" or "Free" (libre or gratis) they would likely have chosen GNU/Linux because of its momentum and (justified) hype.
Apple can no longer keep MacOS current and powerful - they saw themselves as quickly becoming the odd man out in the coming Linux jihad against M$ and decided they needed to align themselves with what will likely be the 'winner' 15 years from now.
I am not slighting the tech behind BSD - I am certain that the BSD License was the reason OSX has co-opted the BSD code.
Alot of people will say "but this is a win/win situation". What I would like to stress is that BSD is enabling Apple to exploit the 'grunt' coding done by thousands of BSD hackers - offering them a significant subsidy. OSX is the GUI, API and Object Model. BSD/Mach is the foundation.
I love Apple's hardware (who wouldnt kill for one of those Cube's), and I do like the appearance of their new GUI features (for their uber-coolness) - But I am not ready to accept that Apple isnt completely operating in their own best interests.
I think IBM is a better example of someone who 'gets it'. Apple is hoping to rape BSD to sell hardware.
Its a matter of motivation.
If all of OSX was "COMPLETELY" Free Software (and free to be completely ported to other architectures) I would be more enthusiastic - but OSX is a capitalists dream: Publicly subsidized (BSD hacker pool) but still ultimately under their control
I'm really surprised more companies aren't fighting for the same rights we are. Why aren't the MP3 patent holders fightiing alongside Napster? There is MUCH less incentive for me to pay for MP3 software (and they get a cut of that purchase price) without Napster
The reason is most International Commerce at this level is happening in the same circles. There are massive Groups, Technology Partners, Associations etc etc etc where you will find that 95% of MultiNatinonals are in bed with one another. Why would MS want to fight Apple? They own ~10% of Apple. Why would Frauenhoffer want to sue the RIAA? They are probably involved in half a dozen 'Audio Technology Consortium' bullshit Non-Competition clubs.
The answer to alot of the the 'World Trade' crap were seeing (otherwise known as the Great Capatalist Swindle) would be to have the UN create a World Declaration of Citizen/Environmental/Social Rights and include *ALOT* of strong Anti-Trust legislation.
4. Tatu says he has registrations for "Secure Shell" pending.
If this passes through the US (USPTO?) I would be very disappointed. Registering 'Secure Shell' is about as logical as 'Fast Harddrive' or 'Soft Towel' or 'Comfortable Chair'. It is obviously simple description..
How long do you think until his registration is approved?:(
socialist bullshit system to make us all poor and therefore 'equal. What a lovely non sequitur.
Of course everyone else bitches about the USA's wealth and prosperity, and high standard of living I can smell your arrogance. Do you also have a big cock?
these must be provided by the labor of others & Socialists believe in forcibly taking the fruits of other people's labor
both of these are basically untrue - socialists arent 'lazy'. Looking for a 'free ride'. Dont be so paranoid. The basic idea is that Class Structures are inherently flawed: It is not necessary for people to work 'against' on another. *WE* would all be better off to co-operate. Organizing our economy around the idea that people are all entitled to basic needs, and working together to assure them is a worthier collective goal. We do have a choice, we can purposely organize a system to exploit and exclude people or we can try and provide more - for all.
This is what I am advocating. Uncontrolled, rabid capitalism will not lead to a 'better world'. It may be a method to aid a few (bourgeoisie) to live much better than virtually everyone else (proletariat) - but it is not the kind of 'worthy goal' we should be aligning ourselves with.
The world is not a cold, dark, uncaring place unless we succumb to cynicism.
Do you understand that GDP growth is a measurement of a self-affirming group? GDP Growth does not relate in a linear manner with 'quality of life'.
"same amount of wealth in existence today as there was 100 years ago"
You are not claiming that the improvement in the standard of living for the last 100 years is a simple product of 'Capitalism'? Capitalism is a mere market construct - it is artificial. It has been chosen. There are other systems. Some have more reasonable long-term prospects for success (read: Communism). I would suggest it is Science, Culture and Knowledge. Humanity has the good fortune of experiencing a massive growth in the three afore mentioned facets of culture - the same would have happened if 'we' were not ruthless corporate whores... there is no proof of the two being absolutely related. I would guess that Americans perceive there present 'power' as a testament to the 'rightchiousness' of Capitalism, that it is the 'best system - just look at how terrific we are'.
I would counter that America has the good fortune of being living on a previously un-exploited landmass and never having to fight a modern domestic war. Dont be so sure of the ultimate 'success' of Corporatist Capitalism. America may be the 'wealthiest' nation - but it also enjoys *ALOT* of major social problems: Puritanism, Intolerance, Religious Zealotry, Legislated Morals, Crime, Cultural Myopia, Racism, Corruption, Consumerism and Apathy. These things are a result of individuals being convinced of their self-importance, and their greed being encouraged. This aids in maintaining the all justifying 'profit motive'. Dont confuse random good fortune with destiny - and dont let propaganda and public hysteria confuse your judgement. Look outside your borders and realize that the reason the rest of the world hates Americans is there hubris and lack of perspective... just what your post displays.
The best example of a non-zero sum game is life itself. Most left wing theory is built upon the presumption that life is a zero sum game (when people start talking about "redistribution of wealth" you know they are a bit nuts***)
What? You mean to say that Leftists are operating in a *MORE* 'sum-game' mind set? WTF are you thinking? People on the left are *ALWAYS* more interested in consensus, sharing and community. This is the practically the opposite of the right who are generally selfish, self-obsessed and greedy.
.People often mistakenly assume that someone's gain is necessarily someone else's loss. What are you talking about? The point of 'Capitalists' and 'Conservatives' (usually you find Left/Socialists and Right/Capitalists) is that your gain is *ALWAYS* at the expense of someone else. Its called profit, or if you've heard this one before: Energy is neither created nor destroyed - its just changes form.. When a GreedyRightWingBastard(TM) has a gain he must be taking it from somewhere.. the public, his friends, family, nature - somewhere. He does not simply create wealth from thin air.
Your whole post is backasswards logic. You must be modding yourself up.
***People that 'believe in' property rights and private ownership are nuts.
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Im a Tree-Hugger of the highest order. Although I do know that Monsanto's GMOs are getting a 'bad rap'.. let me assure you: Most people's concerns w/ Monsanto are not only the idea that you have 'Frankenfood'. There is a whole group of ideas about why 'Monsanto' is evil:
1) Produce GMOs that rely on Monsanto produced chemicals. Further enslaving the Farmer to ecologically unsound farming methods and Monsanto's pocket book. Read: Roundup Resistant Crops.
2) Being a generally massive producer/marketer of Farming Chemicals. Closely related to Item #1, but worth mentioning in a broad sense.
3) Actively participating in the 'mono-culture' momentum that will produce the next Irish Potato Famine & contribute to the general degradation the biodiversity of the planets food supply.
And more generally - Tree Huggers like myself are generally in favour of a broad, local, varied sources of food as apposed to the Monsanto Backed "New Age of Industrial Farming".
When MadCowDisease reaches The Americas which method will be more likely to preserve our food supply? A) 'Industrial' Farming B)Broad, Scaled, Varied, Local Farming... For many reasons this is a Good Thing(TM). Monsanto is the epitome of the industrialization/commodidizaion of the Planets Food Supply. They operate for the benefit to the Bourgeoisie who own stock - not the good of the planets people (which should be pretty relevant when talking about *FOOD*. Their growing strength represents a general 'problem' with our future (not completely described above).
I am not a Luddite by any sense, but I do not see the value in a 'for profit' company producing GMOs for the benefit of their pocketbooks... this 'unholy' motivation will *NOT* lead to the benefits most of us understand will come from GMOs... it is a matter of motivation. They are more likely to risk our food supply based on profit returns - its not simply a concept of people scared of GMOs.
I have no problems with responsible, open, IP free GMO research/production by people with without compromised motivations. That is *NOT* Monsanto.
"They used every piece of information available," he said. "It was really quite clever, given the quality of their data. So honestly, we are impressed. We were truly amazed because we predicted, based on their raw data, that it would be nonassemblable. So what Haussler did was he came in and saved them. Haussler put it all together."
Well boys, lets all sell these pricks short - and hope to put them all in the poor house - while we all get rich: A deserving fate for one of the most selfish, disgusting attempts of all time...
And anyone who can seriously combine the words occupied and palestine in the same sentence reveals that they know nothing about history or current events.
Exactly why does the choice of someone else to have kids constitute an obligation on my part to those kids' unborn grandchildren?
If I understand you correctly, you feel that you have no obligation to future people (you infer excepting your own children). You are obligated because you are a member of a community. You are obligated because previous generations thought about providing for you. I've heard a 'proverb', accredited to the First Nations people: "You do not inherit the planet from your father - you borrow it from your sons." If you'd like to - you can live your life in pursuit of satisfying your every need, without a care for anyone or anything else... no one will stop you. What a horrible, lonely, shallow existance it will be.
Wow - do you trip over your selfishness when you walk?
My simple point is that choosing the 'destiny' of a cave full of million year old crystals of that size (massive natural beuty) requires a massive amount of ego.. I cant understand what people like FFFish, maybe you, and mining companies think that because they 'discovered' this cave - they get to decide its future. That future is immediate and everlasting, and based on the rarity and intrinsic value in such a site, it should be left alone. Alone as in: Document and study, pictures and video, websites and books. Anything else is exploitation.
Even 'tourism' would be over use in my opinion... but all things considered would not be that great a tragedy if done properly (the site is maintained as the 'number one priority').
Oh, save the whales! Beach the turtles! Oh, look! A sale on geodes and crystal pendants! I'll drive my Jeep Grand Cherokee
High School Debate Tactic #123.b: If you are loosing the argument, call the oponent a 'hypocrite'. This will always discredit their opinions. This will have the added benefit of causing you to not alter your argument in any way.
As a special side note: Using this tactic to justify *YOUR* overconsumption will only fool other people - *YOU* know damn well what is right, your just to lazy, selfish and self-obsessed to admit it to yourself... its so much easier to insult another persons character then defend your own actions.
Moderators: Do your worst.. ive got karma to burn.
You know FFFish - its people like you who are responsible for the mess this planet is in...
*JUST EXISTING* and knowing that the Crystals are there is 'enough use' for their preservation. HUMANS of every generation feel they have the right to take anything they please with no consideration to the planet or future generations. Why the fuck should this natural wonder be forced to live up to some asshole's expectation of 'something usefull'? Have you no sense of wonder???? These Crystals took millenia to form - through natural processes of the planet - their mere existance should cause humans to reflect on the planet and the natural wonder around us... instead close minded jackasses like yourself spew shit like "anything remotely usefull".
Give your head a shake pal- 'God' willing - when your long dead and forgotten these things will still be here, despite your arrogance and hubris.
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Who cares if it would've been unpopular?! That's what business is all about. That's what capitalism is all about: getting a limited monopoly from the government (a patent) in order to restrict the trade of your competitors in reward for a brilliant insight or idea. That's what patents are for. They're not something you play with in kindergarten. They're not like shuffleboard or parchesi. They're important stuff.
Either you are +1 Funny (Sarcastic), or -1 Troll.
Surely your not proposing that 'profit motive' is the only important factor in life? Maybe we should eliminate patents all together just to give Capatalists a little shake up - the system is not working - and what you propose is *MORE* corporate-power-hording.
Suggestion to Symantec: Give your Patent to the FSF. Release the patent GPL.
My advice to you: Re-evaluate your priorities, you'll be dead soon.. and no one likes a greedy, selfish, myopic jackass... you cant *buy* wisdom, peace or contentment - re-adjust your life-goals.. help re-adjust the goals of your country.
*BUT* im thinking you mean that as +1 funny... i hope.
Here is a search for fibre channel at ebay
/. editors not be maintaining their usually high level of integrity and *confirming* their stories...
I cannot find this "dump of 'ew 18GB Barracuda drives for $70 each'" $30 for the FC2-2DB9 and I might consider it... but right now these 'dumped drives' seem a little vapourous - could our
All I could find even close to what's described above was:
36 GB IBM FCHDD
9 GB Seagate FCHDD
Re read my post. The RIAA is a COLLUSIVE OLIGOPOLY. They are acting as a group (violating anti-trust law un-too-itself) *AND* they are acting as a group to form a MONOPOLY. A Monopoly doenst have to be a single business...
Why hasnt the US Government begun Anti-Trust suits against the entire RIAA? There are a collusive monopoly(oligopoly) - if they *werent* they wouldnt have to consider this 'copyright change' because the Internet is an *OPPORTUNITY* - but the RIAA is big enough that they are waiting out the public and internet in order to set terms to the marketplace.
The US Gov. should break up the RIAA and divide the big labels into smaller companies.
I have in my hand a list of 107 known Communists in the Open Source Movement.
:) its been how long has it been since America went on a Witch hunt.. if MP3s are 'like communism' then how long until this *really* happens. McArthy-ism is still very strong in America. You cant even suggest Universal Health Care without being called a Communist... I wouldnt laugh just yet. The whole nation has been traumatized that 'Communism == Evil' and 'Sharing Anything == Communism.'
Dont laugh!
At least his comments tell us one thing: Microsoft's on the run and they don't have a clue about how to deal with open source
Not so fast, the article says:
says that freely distributed software code such as rival Linux could stifle innovation and that legislators need to understand the threat.
''I worry if the government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough education of policy makers to understand the threat.''
Hold on - I think they know EXACTLY how their going to deal with the Linux threat. The same way the RIAA dealt with MP3s...
Someone please mod this up.
I once was driving home from visiting someone in Chicago. The mid-day news came on and began babbling about Terrorism(TM) and the Middle East(TM). I heard a byline to a story that made my blood boil: "... and we had better decide, because after all, we are the richest and most powerful country in the world."
I dont care to debate weather America(TM) is or is-not the 'richest and most powerful'. What I would like to point out to Americans is that this self-aggrandizing hubris is what confuses many of your neighbours. They hear this kind of crap and really take stock in the American Way(TM) religion the plutocrats have sold you.
Ive recently read this book. In it the author speaks about "how all through time Kings, Priests and Rulers have tried to force slaves to work. But the Slaves always find a way to sabotage the aims of the Ruler. That the more you abuse and oppress your slaves the *POORER* their 'production' towards your goals. And God save us if Any Priest, Ruler or King ever discovered a way to 'violate' this historical pattern". When i read that Ice ran through my veins. I wondered if the gluttonous, myopic, shallow American Way(TM) was this discovery. I see the American Way(TM) like this: "You are the center of the universe. You are the only thing that should be important to you. Everyone else is out to screw you - screw them first. Enjoy/Indulge yourself - you are the height of importance."
I still havnt recovered.
America didn't invent the corporation
Well, actually you didnt. But America is responsible for the present state of the Economic World. America has been used by Capitalists as a breading/staging ground on the rest of the planet.
Please read these two links here and here. American Plutocrats have managed to use the natural resources of the unexploited 'America'. They are now starting a campaign of Imperialism this world has never seen through the WTO, World Bank et al.
AMERICANS have got to take control of their Government and bring these groups back to reality... please do it soon... No one likes the direction you're (were) heading.
''I can't imagine something that could be worse than this for the software business and the intellectual-property business.''
''I'm an American, I believe in the American Way,"
Sorry America - are you starting to see the light? Do you ever wonder why people hate The American Way(TM)? This is exactly it. This is not a troll - Im serious, this is how people see America...
There is one reason Apple is using BSD for OSX. ITS FREE TO STEAL. If Apple was interested in an "Open Source" or "Free" (libre or gratis) they would likely have chosen GNU/Linux because of its momentum and (justified) hype.
Apple can no longer keep MacOS current and powerful - they saw themselves as quickly becoming the odd man out in the coming Linux jihad against M$ and decided they needed to align themselves with what will likely be the 'winner' 15 years from now.
I am not slighting the tech behind BSD - I am certain that the BSD License was the reason OSX has co-opted the BSD code.
Alot of people will say "but this is a win/win situation". What I would like to stress is that BSD is enabling Apple to exploit the 'grunt' coding done by thousands of BSD hackers - offering them a significant subsidy. OSX is the GUI, API and Object Model. BSD/Mach is the foundation.
I love Apple's hardware (who wouldnt kill for one of those Cube's), and I do like the appearance of their new GUI features (for their uber-coolness) - But I am not ready to accept that Apple isnt completely operating in their own best interests.
I think IBM is a better example of someone who 'gets it'. Apple is hoping to rape BSD to sell hardware.
Its a matter of motivation.
If all of OSX was "COMPLETELY" Free Software (and free to be completely ported to other architectures) I would be more enthusiastic - but OSX is a capitalists dream: Publicly subsidized (BSD hacker pool) but still ultimately under their control
I'm really surprised more companies aren't fighting for the same rights we are. Why aren't the MP3 patent holders fightiing alongside Napster? There is MUCH less incentive for me to pay for MP3 software (and they get a cut of that purchase price) without Napster
The reason is most International Commerce at this level is happening in the same circles. There are massive Groups, Technology Partners, Associations etc etc etc where you will find that 95% of MultiNatinonals are in bed with one another. Why would MS want to fight Apple? They own ~10% of Apple. Why would Frauenhoffer want to sue the RIAA? They are probably involved in half a dozen 'Audio Technology Consortium' bullshit Non-Competition clubs.
The answer to alot of the the 'World Trade' crap were seeing (otherwise known as the Great Capatalist Swindle) would be to have the UN create a World Declaration of Citizen/Environmental/Social Rights and include *ALOT* of strong Anti-Trust legislation.
Then have all UN members ratify it...
4. Tatu says he has registrations for "Secure Shell" pending.
:(
If this passes through the US (USPTO?) I would be very disappointed. Registering 'Secure Shell' is about as logical as 'Fast Harddrive' or 'Soft Towel' or 'Comfortable Chair'. It is obviously simple description..
How long do you think until his registration is approved?
I believe eBay was written/founded by a women.. FYI.
socialist bullshit system to make us all poor and therefore 'equal.
What a lovely non sequitur.
Of course everyone else bitches about the USA's wealth and prosperity, and high standard of living
I can smell your arrogance. Do you also have a big cock?
s/socialism/capitalism/
Yes - thanks for the clarity.
these must be provided by the labor of others
these must be provided by the labor of others & Socialists believe in forcibly taking the fruits of other people's labor
both of these are basically untrue - socialists arent 'lazy'. Looking for a 'free ride'. Dont be so paranoid. The basic idea is that Class Structures are inherently flawed: It is not necessary for people to work 'against' on another. *WE* would all be better off to co-operate. Organizing our economy around the idea that people are all entitled to basic needs, and working together to assure them is a worthier collective goal. We do have a choice, we can purposely organize a system to exploit and exclude people or we can try and provide more - for all.
This is what I am advocating. Uncontrolled, rabid capitalism will not lead to a 'better world'. It may be a method to aid a few (bourgeoisie) to live much better than virtually everyone else (proletariat) - but it is not the kind of 'worthy goal' we should be aligning ourselves with.
The world is not a cold, dark, uncaring place unless we succumb to cynicism.
BTW: RIAA==MPAA==BigThreeAuto==WIPO==WTO==Bourgeoisie
Ever heard the term "GDP growth
Do you understand that GDP growth is a measurement of a self-affirming group? GDP Growth does not relate in a linear manner with 'quality of life'.
"same amount of wealth in existence today as there was 100 years ago"
You are not claiming that the improvement in the standard of living for the last 100 years is a simple product of 'Capitalism'? Capitalism is a mere market construct - it is artificial. It has been chosen. There are other systems. Some have more reasonable long-term prospects for success (read: Communism). I would suggest it is Science, Culture and Knowledge. Humanity has the good fortune of experiencing a massive growth in the three afore mentioned facets of culture - the same would have happened if 'we' were not ruthless corporate whores... there is no proof of the two being absolutely related. I would guess that Americans perceive there present 'power' as a testament to the 'rightchiousness' of Capitalism, that it is the 'best system - just look at how terrific we are'.
I would counter that America has the good fortune of being living on a previously un-exploited landmass and never having to fight a modern domestic war. Dont be so sure of the ultimate 'success' of Corporatist Capitalism. America may be the 'wealthiest' nation - but it also enjoys *ALOT* of major social problems: Puritanism, Intolerance, Religious Zealotry, Legislated Morals, Crime, Cultural Myopia, Racism, Corruption, Consumerism and Apathy. These things are a result of individuals being convinced of their self-importance, and their greed being encouraged. This aids in maintaining the all justifying 'profit motive'. Dont confuse random good fortune with destiny - and dont let propaganda and public hysteria confuse your judgement. Look outside your borders and realize that the reason the rest of the world hates Americans is there hubris and lack of perspective... just what your post displays.
Oh and btw: GPD Growth != Success.
Note: If you happen to not be American, your opinions exemplify one.
The best example of a non-zero sum game is life itself. Most left wing theory is built upon the presumption that life is a zero sum game (when people start talking about "redistribution of wealth" you know they are a bit nuts***)
What? You mean to say that Leftists are operating in a *MORE* 'sum-game' mind set? WTF are you thinking? People on the left are *ALWAYS* more interested in consensus, sharing and community. This is the practically the opposite of the right who are generally selfish, self-obsessed and greedy.
.People often mistakenly assume that someone's gain is necessarily someone else's loss.
What are you talking about? The point of 'Capitalists' and 'Conservatives' (usually you find Left/Socialists and Right/Capitalists) is that your gain is *ALWAYS* at the expense of someone else. Its called profit, or if you've heard this one before: Energy is neither created nor destroyed - its just changes form.. When a GreedyRightWingBastard(TM) has a gain he must be taking it from somewhere.. the public, his friends, family, nature - somewhere. He does not simply create wealth from thin air.
Your whole post is backasswards logic. You must be modding yourself up.
***People that 'believe in' property rights and private ownership are nuts.
1) Produce GMOs that rely on Monsanto produced chemicals. Further enslaving the Farmer to ecologically unsound farming methods and Monsanto's pocket book. Read: Roundup Resistant Crops.
2) Being a generally massive producer/marketer of Farming Chemicals. Closely related to Item #1, but worth mentioning in a broad sense.
3) Actively participating in the 'mono-culture' momentum that will produce the next Irish Potato Famine & contribute to the general degradation the biodiversity of the planets food supply.
And more generally - Tree Huggers like myself are generally in favour of a broad, local, varied sources of food as apposed to the Monsanto Backed "New Age of Industrial Farming".
When MadCowDisease reaches The Americas which method will be more likely to preserve our food supply? A) 'Industrial' Farming B)Broad, Scaled, Varied, Local Farming... For many reasons this is a Good Thing(TM). Monsanto is the epitome of the industrialization/commodidizaion of the Planets Food Supply. They operate for the benefit to the Bourgeoisie who own stock - not the good of the planets people (which should be pretty relevant when talking about *FOOD*. Their growing strength represents a general 'problem' with our future (not completely described above).
I am not a Luddite by any sense, but I do not see the value in a 'for profit' company producing GMOs for the benefit of their pocketbooks... this 'unholy' motivation will *NOT* lead to the benefits most of us understand will come from GMOs... it is a matter of motivation. They are more likely to risk our food supply based on profit returns - its not simply a concept of people scared of GMOs.
I have no problems with responsible, open, IP free GMO research/production by people with without compromised motivations. That is *NOT* Monsanto.
"They used every piece of information available," he said. "It was really quite clever, given the quality of their data. So honestly, we are impressed. We were truly amazed because we predicted, based on their raw data, that it would be nonassemblable. So what Haussler did was he came in and saved them. Haussler put it all together."
Well boys, lets all sell these pricks short - and hope to put them all in the poor house - while we all get rich: A deserving fate for one of the most selfish, disgusting attempts of all time...
And anyone who can seriously combine the words occupied and palestine in the same sentence reveals that they know nothing about history or current events.
Can you please explain this...
Exactly why does the choice of someone else to have kids constitute an obligation on my part to those kids' unborn grandchildren?
If I understand you correctly, you feel that you have no obligation to future people (you infer excepting your own children). You are obligated because you are a member of a community. You are obligated because previous generations thought about providing for you.
I've heard a 'proverb', accredited to the First Nations people: "You do not inherit the planet from your father - you borrow it from your sons."
If you'd like to - you can live your life in pursuit of satisfying your every need, without a care for anyone or anything else... no one will stop you. What a horrible, lonely, shallow existance it will be.
Wow - do you trip over your selfishness when you walk?
Who said anything about being 'cosmic', mon?
My simple point is that choosing the 'destiny' of a cave full of million year old crystals of that size (massive natural beuty) requires a massive amount of ego.. I cant understand what people like FFFish, maybe you, and mining companies think that because they 'discovered' this cave - they get to decide its future. That future is immediate and everlasting, and based on the rarity and intrinsic value in such a site, it should be left alone. Alone as in: Document and study, pictures and video, websites and books. Anything else is exploitation.
Even 'tourism' would be over use in my opinion... but all things considered would not be that great a tragedy if done properly (the site is maintained as the 'number one priority').
bunch of tofu munching tree huggers
Oh, save the whales! Beach the turtles! Oh, look! A sale on geodes and crystal pendants! I'll drive my Jeep Grand Cherokee
High School Debate Tactic #123.b:
If you are loosing the argument, call the oponent a 'hypocrite'. This will always discredit their opinions. This will have the added benefit of causing you to not alter your argument in any way.
As a special side note: Using this tactic to justify *YOUR* overconsumption will only fool other people - *YOU* know damn well what is right, your just to lazy, selfish and self-obsessed to admit it to yourself... its so much easier to insult another persons character then defend your own actions.
are doing anything remotely useful
Moderators: Do your worst.. ive got karma to burn.
You know FFFish - its people like you who are responsible for the mess this planet is in...
*JUST EXISTING* and knowing that the Crystals are there is 'enough use' for their preservation. HUMANS of every generation feel they have the right to take anything they please with no consideration to the planet or future generations. Why the fuck should this natural wonder be forced to live up to some asshole's expectation of 'something usefull'? Have you no sense of wonder???? These Crystals took millenia to form - through natural processes of the planet - their mere existance should cause humans to reflect on the planet and the natural wonder around us... instead close minded jackasses like yourself spew shit like "anything remotely usefull".
Give your head a shake pal- 'God' willing - when your long dead and forgotten these things will still be here, despite your arrogance and hubris.