Excellent points - that is the most salient and aware writing ive read in this thread.
Capitalism in its Western incarnation is a straw-man. You cannot spend your capital (oil, ore or mineral) and call it 'income'. This is like my basing my future on the sale of my home - it works for a few months (where im spending the cash that i'd saved into my home) but quickly becomes a problem when I have no other home to sell...
On a similar note - the Capitalist measure of the economy is not a measure of 'success'. The GDP is another display of 'wrong' thinking inherent in the capitalist system. When a person gets cancer - the GDP goes up. When we are in a car crash - the GDP goes up. What about our real goals: happiness, peace, love, understanding, joy and their ilk? I propose we organize a system that only serves those goals.
See a link at Adbuster that deals with some of these ideas - much better than I can explain them;)
The simple fact is that there is a demand for a free internet music sharing system, and it will be fulfilled, whether that is morally correct or not
You have made a mistake. It is *NOT* morally incorrect to dload files from Napster - it is proven by the fact that their are *50 MILLION* Americans using Napster. What you see here is *CITIZENS* displaying what they feel is moral (by demonstration) and a Corrupt Plutocracy defending the pocket books of RIAA. This is a very simple issue. Napster users are doing nothing wrong. The *SUCCESS* of Napster proves this - laws are based on the moral beliefs of a community.. what you see here is Ruling Class dictating to 1/5th of the country.
It used to apply just to governments, etc.; now it applies to anyone with big bucks.
they are the same person (people). Plutocracy. Class Warfare. Unfortunatley things will get worse before it gets better - then the revolution starts - it always does...
He's done a lot for the Linux community and he wants to be recognized. So let him ask that he be recognized
As a note - I see RMS as a very principled person, I dont believe he wants to maintain the "GNU/Linux" moniker simply to get credit for himself (and I don't see your comment as stating this succinctly, I just want to provide some clarity on what I believe to be the nuance of his purpose)
He wants to maintain the clarity in the Meat Space in order to keep focused on Free Software - which is undoubtedly his loftier and very amiable goal.
Allot of people believe RMS to be an egotist, based on his writing, but I see him as being more pragmatic - he is sticking to this 'GNU/Linux" point in order to reinforce and maintain the profile of his true goals.
Government by the wealthy.
A wealthy class that controls a government.
A government or state in which the wealthy rule.
You are right on - America is one of the most backwards, puritan, myopic, intolerant, arrogant, ignorant groups of people on the planet.
They rave about how 'free' they are and how they are the height of democracy - while corporations subvert their democracy (RIAA,MPAA,DMCA,BonoCopyrightextensions etc etc etc), Religious wackos censor libraries (for the children), Political Debate is a McDonalds Commercial, the courts decide elections, their media Corps lie to them (propaganda machines), they put up with legislated morality (drug prohibition, prostitution law, nudity law, gambling law), there military is universally hated & runs wild (kills Japanese high-school kids, invades country after country (Granada, Cuba, DM, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq), meddles in other countries to no end (Cuban blockade and pay for the 'Brothers for Freedom (whatever those assholes in Florida call themselves)' from seized Cuban funds)... etc etc ETC.
They are obese, ignorant and loud. Americans are universally loathed - but Americans keep rambling on about how 'they've got it right' and everyone else is simply jealous.
95% of Americans are fat-trailorpark idiots on Jerry Springer - a Goddamned display of stupidity.
Dont worry moderators - mod me down all you want - this is not flamebait - I am serious... this is not a trolls attempt at eliciting excited responses. If you mod me down - ive got 50 mod points to repost, so don't bother abusing the mod system just because your American-self image has been insulted.
The article is right about people wanting to get there hands some of these 'embedded' devices. I have been drooling over the items listed here on LinuxDevices
One of the most interesting ive seen is ZFLinux's MachZ System On a Chip - have a look at the a build of their reference implementation shown at at Linux World (half way down on the right - the thing has a tiny LCD - very cool)
Someone tell me these engines will enable the takeoff of a 'Personal* Space Plane'?
*I realize they wouldnt be TurboProp Planes like the local Flight Club - but I do mean a 'personal sized' Space Plane
What part of that dont you understand?
And BTW: Although the tech will be the domain of Governments and their military - its only a matter of time and cost before everything ends up in the hands of public citizens....
Would it be possible to strap a couple ScramJet engines to what is essentially a 'large-ish' and appropriately desgined 'airplane' and fire up a couple solid fuel rockets to propel the bastard into space?
Someone tell me these engines will enable the takeoff of a 'Personal* Space Plane'?
*I realize they wouldnt be TurboProp Planes like the local Flight Club - but I do mean a 'personal sized' Space Plane....
How does MACH7.6 compare with the the speed necessary to escape the atmosphere and head off into space? Obviously I realize the mass of the vehicle is relevant. What Im getting at is would it be possible that this technology could lead to what Im describing?
"And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the
Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three
shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting
shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two,
excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once
the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou
thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty
in my sight, shall snuff it.'"
decided to keep the source closed, I think that is my right. Agreed. I have no right to dictate to you what you may do with the product of your work.
Social moods' mean nothing to me; on the other hand, my livelihood does Without going into detail (are you American?) this is generally a myopic and selfish viewpoint. In case you wondered - you live in a community, you should participate in it.. you help decide its future. Caring solely about oneself is.... unhealthy for everyone.
What makes the GPL so great?
See my post above.
Who are you (or Stallman, for that matter) to tell me that knowledge should be free?
People (myself included) see IP as a straw man. I dont agree that it exists. Your time and effort is your product - not your 'knowledge'. The result of your exercising your talents using your knowledge is your 'product'. Remember: We all stand on the shoulders of giants. There is very little real 'innovation' in software: Its mostly simple effort.
it reflects a communist attitude.
I am a Communist - if you'd like to discuss communism I am willing: But spare me the McCarthy inspired dogma. In case you didnt know, a great many people in the world do very well with Socialism. The Plutocrats in Washington and LA never seem to mention this though... surprising.
If anything, the BSD license can be considered a bit friendlier in the sense that you can write your app, use whatever code you want, release it or keep it closed-sourced
Here is where things get very clear. I am not proposing that I should tell you what to do with *YOUR* code. What I am saying is that *MY* code's use has conditions (see GPL) and foremost amoung them is that you may not take *MY* work and steal it to make closed source products. This is what I request of *MY* code. I dont like the idea of simply subsidizing the development costs for M$ (or any other Corp) to make the next nuisance software product that Ill have to deal with. And supporting people who's goals are to - for no other reason than their pocket books - make software *LESS* compliant with Open Standards and *LESS* capable of 'playing nice'.
Can anyone mention a software development company that releases their code under the GPL and *IS* profitable?
Who cares about profitable companies? What does my work have to do with supporting 'profitable' companies? This relates to your *own* priorities and goals. Mine are not arming a ruling class of information/knowledge barons - mine is to topple them and build a better world. I am a geek - I am using my tools (knowledge and skills) to accomplish my goals (co-operation, peace, sharing, understanding and the betterment of a future for everyone). Alot of people agree with these goals - the GPL and GNU/Linux is a manifestation of this social force... this is something I have chosen. You are welcome to contribute.
Please take this with as open a mind as possible - Im trying to explain myself here... Im not attacking your viewpoints - except in the first couple sentences;)
BSD License is good for Companies that want to subsidize the writing of their proprietary products (but building on BSD code). This is a 'TAKE' relationship with 'Community Coders'.
GPL License is good for Everyone that wants better code. This is a GIVE *AND* TAKE relationship between 'Community Coders' and Capitalists.
Very fundamental differences. I for one have no desire to do grunt coding (daemons and reference implementations) for For Profit Agencies who are unwilling to operate in a relationship where I am a peer. What is the value to me where I slave on the backend - they market a front end and get rich? *AHEM*MACOSX*AHEM*
The BSD license is like shooting yourself in the foot. There is nothing wrong with the code - credit to the BSD camp and all - but I cant understand why they would be motivated to work to subsidize Proprietary (/Closed) Software Products.
*FUD*AHEM*FUD*Face it, the GPL's days are limited.*FUD*AHEM*FUD
You obviously have a personal axe to grind against the 'GPL' (and or RMS).
You are at best a troll; but Ill bite.
The brightest 'star in computing' these days *IS* the GPL. It is a great liberator - it is freeing and opening code and more importantly it is being used as a check against proprietary standards.
The GPL is a reflection of an underlying social mood in the western world - one which re-evaluates priorities, it is a reflection of the Anti-Plutocracy Movement that is afoot. Like it or not (for whatever reason you are spreading this FUD) the GPL is an IP liberator - which is A Good Thing(TM) because human knowledge and discourse should not be a commodity.
Counter FUD: The GPL is an excellent tool - and its future is very bright. We have much confidence in the GPL and its ideals.
Does it come with a crooked faced puppet screaming on about how it's from the best country on Earth
No, in this case it comes with an ignorant, puritan, intolerant and myopic jackbooted Consumo-Ped(TM). Our records show you have not paid your Corprate tithe this quarter - you are therefore unlicensed to hear our Puppet(TM) talk about how Canada has the highest standard of living in the world... but Ill remind you this time for free. Violations in future will be punishable by lashings from ignorant McArthy-ites.
I know youre reading this - who wouldnt when they are getting such attention from the 'enemy'... you are probably reading this just loving to see all the/. pundits crying out - and your imagining they are fearfull.
Let me make something clear: Few people in this forum believe anything you excreet. Not only that - but your ideals and arguments are baseless. Few of us 'accept' your basic premises: The Validy of IP, The Rule of Corporate Law or that Lawyers are Arbiters of Western Society.. so the mindlessness displayed in this article is mostly comical.
The Internet is a global medium. US Government and Law is severly broken - it serves little else except to equip the plutocrats with disposable justice. And most countries are severly more cluefull than the whores in Washington.
The article discussed here only makes you look like an idiot; Pounding your chest in a schoolyard... nothing more. These kind of ideas may play well in your circle of friends - but some of us know very well what type of straw man you are. The cracks in this particularly loathsome capatalism you are defending are growing - trying to walk past and ignore them only make them glare more.
Also, just to let you know: I have about 200MB of MP3 and Ogg Vorbis* Files on the Hard Drive of this very computer. Some were made from CDs in my cupboard and some were not. My email is (tdube at sympatico dot ca). Call Sympatico and get my user info. Send me letters. Send me email. Im not some mindless teen saving himself $10 on pop-garbage music. You'll get no bend over here. Asshole**.
*Look it up. **And if your wrongly sitting smug - thinking you yourself wryly "look, the thug resorted to name calling. What a child.": Fuck you.
Why not tailor the GPL or BSD style licenses to you personal tastes
This is something I am noticing much of as late. I dont think this is a Good Idea(TM). GPL is very well understood. GPL makes an 'environment' in which people understand what is - and is not - permitted to do w/ their code. If I come along and release my software GPL AND the SNL (SubtleNuanceLicense) then the SNL may (likely) be more restricitve than the GPL. This makes for confusion - and conflict. The GPL Software is chugging along at a nice clip - there are alot of significant projects coming to fruition. If people start thinking that they like the GPL except for this-that-andtheother and make their own XYZL we may see this 'comfortable and universally understood' environment (the GPL environment) collapse because of Legal Whoring(TM) and Power Grabbing(TM) and Intellectual Property Asserting(TM).
The GPL means one thing: share. We all understand that. Lets not try and share under our own terms and conditions.
why Corel failed too....
I don't think they really understood the linux concept
In case there is any confusion: Corel is not in the Linux business because MS bought a part of the company.
This is the only reason.
Lets make sure we done feed *ourselves* Markatroid FUD. M$ destroyed Linux at Corel because of Corel Suite, Corel Distro and WINE.
M$ was likely motivated because having Corel abandon Windows would have thrown up a massive red flag for the US DOJ. Outside of Adobe and Macromedia (maybe) what 'standard' desktop apps *ARENT* M$ dominating? They couldnt have put Corel out of business and not gotten spiked by the USDOJ. They invested in Corel for the same reason they invested in Apple.
You need to re-evaluate your priorities. My "Boss" can go fuck himself. Life is short - I exchange 8 hours of my day for money to eat, clothe and shelter myself. Nothing more. My Heart, Soul and Conscience do not belong to my 'Boss'.
There's no such thing as a free lunch dudes.
Bullshit - come to my home; Ill serve you a wonderfull free meal (your all invited). Ive got more than enough for everyone. No strings attached. We can talk about Linux, Life, Art and the Universe. Why so cynical?
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Excellent points - that is the most salient and aware writing ive read in this thread.
;)
Capitalism in its Western incarnation is a straw-man. You cannot spend your capital (oil, ore or mineral) and call it 'income'. This is like my basing my future on the sale of my home - it works for a few months (where im spending the cash that i'd saved into my home) but quickly becomes a problem when I have no other home to sell...
On a similar note - the Capitalist measure of the economy is not a measure of 'success'. The GDP is another display of 'wrong' thinking inherent in the capitalist system. When a person gets cancer - the GDP goes up. When we are in a car crash - the GDP goes up. What about our real goals: happiness, peace, love, understanding, joy and their ilk? I propose we organize a system that only serves those goals.
See a link at Adbuster that deals with some of these ideas - much better than I can explain them
Simply: Join the effort to End Plutocracy.
The simple fact is that there is a demand for a free internet music sharing system, and it will be fulfilled, whether that is morally correct or not
You have made a mistake. It is *NOT* morally incorrect to dload files from Napster - it is proven by the fact that their are *50 MILLION* Americans using Napster. What you see here is *CITIZENS* displaying what they feel is moral (by demonstration) and a Corrupt Plutocracy defending the pocket books of RIAA. This is a very simple issue. Napster users are doing nothing wrong. The *SUCCESS* of Napster proves this - laws are based on the moral beliefs of a community.. what you see here is Ruling Class dictating to 1/5th of the country.
It used to apply just to governments, etc.; now it applies to anyone with big bucks.
they are the same person (people). Plutocracy. Class Warfare. Unfortunatley things will get worse before it gets better - then the revolution starts - it always does...
he only way capitalist model still works is by enforcing artifical scarcity of information
Excellent point - another reason Capitalism needs to change dramatically.
He's done a lot for the Linux community and he wants to be recognized. So let him ask that he be recognized
As a note - I see RMS as a very principled person, I dont believe he wants to maintain the "GNU/Linux" moniker simply to get credit for himself (and I don't see your comment as stating this succinctly, I just want to provide some clarity on what I believe to be the nuance of his purpose)
He wants to maintain the clarity in the Meat Space in order to keep focused on Free Software - which is undoubtedly his loftier and very amiable goal.
Allot of people believe RMS to be an egotist, based on his writing, but I see him as being more pragmatic - he is sticking to this 'GNU/Linux" point in order to reinforce and maintain the profile of his true goals.
plutocracy
Government by the wealthy.
A wealthy class that controls a government.
A government or state in which the wealthy rule.
You are right on - America is one of the most backwards, puritan, myopic, intolerant, arrogant, ignorant groups of people on the planet.
They rave about how 'free' they are and how they are the height of democracy - while corporations subvert their democracy (RIAA,MPAA,DMCA,BonoCopyrightextensions etc etc etc), Religious wackos censor libraries (for the children), Political Debate is a McDonalds Commercial, the courts decide elections, their media Corps lie to them (propaganda machines), they put up with legislated morality (drug prohibition, prostitution law, nudity law, gambling law), there military is universally hated & runs wild (kills Japanese high-school kids, invades country after country (Granada, Cuba, DM, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq), meddles in other countries to no end (Cuban blockade and pay for the 'Brothers for Freedom (whatever those assholes in Florida call themselves)' from seized Cuban funds)... etc etc ETC.
They are obese, ignorant and loud. Americans are universally loathed - but Americans keep rambling on about how 'they've got it right' and everyone else is simply jealous.
95% of Americans are fat-trailorpark idiots on Jerry Springer - a Goddamned display of stupidity.
Dont worry moderators - mod me down all you want - this is not flamebait - I am serious... this is not a trolls attempt at eliciting excited responses. If you mod me down - ive got 50 mod points to repost, so don't bother abusing the mod system just because your American-self image has been insulted.
The article is right about people wanting to get there hands some of these 'embedded' devices. I have been drooling over the items listed here on LinuxDevices
One of the most interesting ive seen is ZFLinux's MachZ System On a Chip - have a look at the a build of their reference implementation shown at at Linux World (half way down on the right - the thing has a tiny LCD - very cool)
For extra bonus karma-whorific-ness: Look at this: World's Smallest Web Server - Its just plain cool
Someone tell me these engines will enable the takeoff of a 'Personal* Space Plane'?
*I realize they wouldnt be TurboProp Planes like the local Flight Club - but I do mean a 'personal sized' Space Plane
What part of that dont you understand?
And BTW: Although the tech will be the domain of Governments and their military - its only a matter of time and cost before everything ends up in the hands of public citizens....
Would it be possible to strap a couple ScramJet engines to what is essentially a 'large-ish' and appropriately desgined 'airplane' and fire up a couple solid fuel rockets to propel the bastard into space?
Someone tell me these engines will enable the takeoff of a 'Personal* Space Plane'?
*I realize they wouldnt be TurboProp Planes like the local Flight Club - but I do mean a 'personal sized' Space Plane....
How does MACH7.6 compare with the the speed necessary to escape the atmosphere and head off into space? Obviously I realize the mass of the vehicle is relevant. What Im getting at is would it be possible that this technology could lead to what Im describing?
largest unix vender is reliably sophmoric
Yes, the largest right behind Sun, SGI, HP, IBM and GNU/Linux.
Ok - Someone please help here: Is the geforce3 also the "NV20" i hear about? Is this the final product this 'code word' will ship as?
Skip a bit, Brother.
"And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.'"
decided to keep the source closed, I think that is my right. Agreed. I have no right to dictate to you what you may do with the product of your work.
;)
Social moods' mean nothing to me; on the other hand, my livelihood does
Without going into detail (are you American?) this is generally a myopic and selfish viewpoint. In case you wondered - you live in a community, you should participate in it.. you help decide its future. Caring solely about oneself is.... unhealthy for everyone.
What makes the GPL so great?
See my post above.
Who are you (or Stallman, for that matter) to tell me that knowledge should be free?
People (myself included) see IP as a straw man. I dont agree that it exists. Your time and effort is your product - not your 'knowledge'. The result of your exercising your talents using your knowledge is your 'product'. Remember: We all stand on the shoulders of giants. There is very little real 'innovation' in software: Its mostly simple effort.
it reflects a communist attitude.
I am a Communist - if you'd like to discuss communism I am willing: But spare me the McCarthy inspired dogma. In case you didnt know, a great many people in the world do very well with Socialism. The Plutocrats in Washington and LA never seem to mention this though... surprising.
If anything, the BSD license can be considered a bit friendlier in the sense that you can write your app, use whatever code you want, release it or keep it closed-sourced
Here is where things get very clear. I am not proposing that I should tell you what to do with *YOUR* code. What I am saying is that *MY* code's use has conditions (see GPL) and foremost amoung them is that you may not take *MY* work and steal it to make closed source products. This is what I request of *MY* code. I dont like the idea of simply subsidizing the development costs for M$ (or any other Corp) to make the next nuisance software product that Ill have to deal with. And supporting people who's goals are to - for no other reason than their pocket books - make software *LESS* compliant with Open Standards and *LESS* capable of 'playing nice'.
Can anyone mention a software development company that releases their code under the GPL and *IS* profitable?
Who cares about profitable companies? What does my work have to do with supporting 'profitable' companies? This relates to your *own* priorities and goals. Mine are not arming a ruling class of information/knowledge barons - mine is to topple them and build a better world. I am a geek - I am using my tools (knowledge and skills) to accomplish my goals (co-operation, peace, sharing, understanding and the betterment of a future for everyone). Alot of people agree with these goals - the GPL and GNU/Linux is a manifestation of this social force... this is something I have chosen. You are welcome to contribute.
Please take this with as open a mind as possible - Im trying to explain myself here... Im not attacking your viewpoints - except in the first couple sentences
FUD FUD FUD FUD
BSD License is good for Companies that want to subsidize the writing of their proprietary products (but building on BSD code). This is a 'TAKE' relationship with 'Community Coders'.
GPL License is good for Everyone that wants better code. This is a GIVE *AND* TAKE relationship between 'Community Coders' and Capitalists.
Very fundamental differences. I for one have no desire to do grunt coding (daemons and reference implementations) for For Profit Agencies who are unwilling to operate in a relationship where I am a peer. What is the value to me where I slave on the backend - they market a front end and get rich? *AHEM*MACOSX*AHEM*
The BSD license is like shooting yourself in the foot. There is nothing wrong with the code - credit to the BSD camp and all - but I cant understand why they would be motivated to work to subsidize Proprietary (/Closed) Software Products.
*FUD*AHEM*FUD*Face it, the GPL's days are limited.*FUD*AHEM*FUD
You obviously have a personal axe to grind against the 'GPL' (and or RMS).
You are at best a troll; but Ill bite.
The brightest 'star in computing' these days *IS* the GPL. It is a great liberator - it is freeing and opening code and more importantly it is being used as a check against proprietary standards.
The GPL is a reflection of an underlying social mood in the western world - one which re-evaluates priorities, it is a reflection of the Anti-Plutocracy Movement that is afoot. Like it or not (for whatever reason you are spreading this FUD) the GPL is an IP liberator - which is A Good Thing(TM) because human knowledge and discourse should not be a commodity.
Counter FUD:
The GPL is an excellent tool - and its future is very bright. We have much confidence in the GPL and its ideals.
Does it come with a crooked faced puppet screaming on about how it's from the best country on Earth
No, in this case it comes with an ignorant, puritan, intolerant and myopic jackbooted Consumo-Ped(TM). Our records show you have not paid your Corprate tithe this quarter - you are therefore unlicensed to hear our Puppet(TM) talk about how Canada has the highest standard of living in the world... but Ill remind you this time for free. Violations in future will be punishable by lashings from ignorant McArthy-ites.
Hey Dave!
/. pundits crying out - and your imagining they are fearfull.
I know youre reading this - who wouldnt when they are getting such attention from the 'enemy'... you are probably reading this just loving to see all the
Let me make something clear: Few people in this forum believe anything you excreet. Not only that - but your ideals and arguments are baseless. Few of us 'accept' your basic premises: The Validy of IP, The Rule of Corporate Law or that Lawyers are Arbiters of Western Society.. so the mindlessness displayed in this article is mostly comical.
The Internet is a global medium. US Government and Law is severly broken - it serves little else except to equip the plutocrats with disposable justice. And most countries are severly more cluefull than the whores in Washington.
The article discussed here only makes you look like an idiot; Pounding your chest in a schoolyard... nothing more. These kind of ideas may play well in your circle of friends - but some of us know very well what type of straw man you are. The cracks in this particularly loathsome capatalism you are defending are growing - trying to walk past and ignore them only make them glare more.
Also, just to let you know: I have about 200MB of MP3 and Ogg Vorbis* Files on the Hard Drive of this very computer. Some were made from CDs in my cupboard and some were not. My email is (tdube at sympatico dot ca). Call Sympatico and get my user info. Send me letters. Send me email. Im not some mindless teen saving himself $10 on pop-garbage music. You'll get no bend over here. Asshole**.
*Look it up.
**And if your wrongly sitting smug - thinking you yourself wryly "look, the thug resorted to name calling. What a child.": Fuck you.
That is the best damned idea ive ever heard on this whole damned issue.
Please mod this guy up.
A tax is an involuntary monetary obligation to a ruler. Microsoft is not a ruler. You are not obligated to buy any of their products.
Have you ever tried* to buy a Compaq, IBM, HP, Acer, Dell, Packard Bell or other Complete Box WITHOUT Windows installed?
M$ has forced a 'tax' onto PeeCees through heavy handed OEM deals. Another reason they are a monoploy and must be broken into >10 pcs.
*I build my own boxes - but 98% of people do not.
No open source product can stand against SQL Server
All in all I pretty much agree - but what about postgresql & GPLInterbase (Phoenix?)?
Why not tailor the GPL or BSD style licenses to you personal tastes
This is something I am noticing much of as late. I dont think this is a Good Idea(TM). GPL is very well understood. GPL makes an 'environment' in which people understand what is - and is not - permitted to do w/ their code. If I come along and release my software GPL AND the SNL (SubtleNuanceLicense) then the SNL may (likely) be more restricitve than the GPL. This makes for confusion - and conflict. The GPL Software is chugging along at a nice clip - there are alot of significant projects coming to fruition. If people start thinking that they like the GPL except for this-that-andtheother and make their own XYZL we may see this 'comfortable and universally understood' environment (the GPL environment) collapse because of Legal Whoring(TM) and Power Grabbing(TM) and Intellectual Property Asserting(TM).
The GPL means one thing: share. We all understand that. Lets not try and share under our own terms and conditions.
why Corel failed too....
I don't think they really understood the linux concept
In case there is any confusion: Corel is not in the Linux business because MS bought a part of the company.
This is the only reason.
Lets make sure we done feed *ourselves* Markatroid FUD. M$ destroyed Linux at Corel because of Corel Suite, Corel Distro and WINE.
M$ was likely motivated because having Corel abandon Windows would have thrown up a massive red flag for the US DOJ. Outside of Adobe and Macromedia (maybe) what 'standard' desktop apps *ARENT* M$ dominating? They couldnt have put Corel out of business and not gotten spiked by the USDOJ. They invested in Corel for the same reason they invested in Apple.
does anyone think that ESR still has a credible voice in the community
I am no more a member of the community than anyone else - *BUT* - I support virtually everything Ive read that ESR has written.
Sorry.
I live in Southern Ontario, Canada.
How close are you...?
to perform productive work for our bosses
You need to re-evaluate your priorities. My "Boss" can go fuck himself. Life is short - I exchange 8 hours of my day for money to eat, clothe and shelter myself. Nothing more. My Heart, Soul and Conscience do not belong to my 'Boss'.
There's no such thing as a free lunch dudes.
Bullshit - come to my home; Ill serve you a wonderfull free meal (your all invited). Ive got more than enough for everyone. No strings attached. We can talk about Linux, Life, Art and the Universe. Why so cynical?