...I've been a member of always have a payoff to the consumer members that reads like an advertisement to benefit the wrong doer? hell I've seen typical store coupons worth more than any of these class action suits were to give the members.
Remember, this is an analogy using an unrelated but example with hindsight already established, unlike what this article is about.
The idea of the stock market was to allow people in invest in companies they believed in, sort of a put your money where you mouth is vote. But due to the higher and higher levels of abstraction and manipulation at these higher levels of abstraction, putting your money in companies you believed in, is no longer what moves the market. Instead there have been some very bad things resulting in the manipulations of the markets at these higher abstract levels. You might not even know where your investment is being put, had you handed it over to someone else to do for you, financial institutes and packages. Examples of very bad results include The Trillion Dollar Bet that drained Southeast Asia, including Indonesia (cia reported 88% Muslim) and gave rise to the repercussions of 911 (don't argue - follow the money instead, Worldcom, Enron, etc. some of the losers in the gamble) and Bernard Madoff's multi-billion dollar Ponzi scheme.
So this deep dark net.... it may not be so bottom line (money) connected, or maybe some of it is with insider trading info, but the results eventually show in the open. And clearly the saying, "what we make we can break" applies here regarding anonymity, a lock that can be broken, as locks are for honest people.
Its not like governments don't have their own means of inside communications, of which if the public knew what all was communicated, there would be opposition as well. It comes down to what humans will do, good or bad, where the only difference is in what tools they use to do so.
And the higher the level of abstraction being used... the more damage it can result in. Good things generally don't require such sneaking around, spy vs. spy... And in the virtual world, what does it matter really matter, unless it has real world results?
At what point in technology advancement will thought police enter the picture? Or perhaps that question should be in the past tense.
What does the article really accomplish? More players in the spy vs. spy game. Absolutely nothing more! Advertising the dark web. Why increase the number of players?
The solution to the trillion dollar bet was to release the formula used into the public hands, effectively nullifying its ability to be used in such a damaging manner.
the target result that will be eventually achieved is censorship and control over what is communicated publicly over the internet. And all that is really going on here is the effort to water it down little by little in public semi acceptance and the newbees that simply don't know better.
Freedom is a simple word to understand.
And its easy to see this sort of censorship does not support freedom.
Read the Declaration of Independence if you doubt the intent of the government, any government.
All new systems have all there bugs yet to be discovered. But an older system for which you can search the internet for finding out any issues it may have, is the trade of of getting nearer to obsolete status.
For basic computing including internet usage, there are plenty of older systems, often free if you just look for toss outs. But then that is not buying and does noty qualify for a response to the question.
After a very long time (near twenty years) of using nothing but toss outs, I bought a new laptop. I knew what in needed it to do and i have found out it doesn't do it as well as I'd have expected of it. I suspect buying a not so old desktop refurb might have produced better results in some applications.
ultimately it comes down to a bit of a gamble regarding the buying of a new systems, no matter how much you research.
Abstraction Physics clearly shows that programming is a recursive process of creating and using abstractions.
There is no issue with reuse but only a need to better generate code that is more appropriate for the application under development rather than from some other intended works.
But it will most likely bring about addition taxation for you usage time. (so much for constant connection value) And it seems very clear that unknown to you, people will be monitoring and judging you in your use of the internet and this includes all communications you have via the internet and anything connected to teh internet, such as phones that use the internet.
Hmmm, and that means paypal will remain, so when some government official or someone they know or sucking up to them (payola) doesn't like your communication they can take your money away from you. And tax you for doing so too.
And hey, since you don't really have control over what information gets put on your system in being connected to the internet, you can be set up and busted for all sorts of things. And taxed for it too.
As always, this will get sold to the public as a good thing and the ignorant public will accept it. little by little.
And the worse part......... They won't regulate the spam, it'll continue to be the majority of the traffic on the internet. Proving how worthless and incompetent they (we know who they are here), to do anything about anything real.
So it should be obvious, just think of spam, if you think there exist any ability to do anything more than spy and attack those they don't like with acts of fraud.
For what is being claimed to be the benefits of such a direction, they should already be able to do anyway.
I.e. get rid of paypal exception to banking regulations. And that is something they could do, but haven't.
You can take small efficient application as was used to be created because ram was to expensive and run hundreds if not thousands of them without a slow down, especially if teh data they are dealing with is near empty. Or you can take one autocad application and large cad file and tax it to its limits and beyond.
I'm sure there are other such applications that are massive and resource hungryas well as data files.
Increased speed and memory of hardware is generally preceived as more for the software developers to use, not for the benefit of improved usability for the user.
I keep saying that someday they will make hardware and software that can keep up with mi thr33 fingre tpuying.You kmnow which three fingers too.
Air France went into the ocean. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE CODE!!!
What was in error was the philosophy the code was written by.
A philosophy that disallowed human intervention. Disallowed for human handling of exception.
A philosophy that put machine over man.
Don't bow down to the stone image of the beast of man, for this beast is error prone and the image of this beast can be no better, even in perfection of an image.
computers are made of stone, mineral, metals, etc.. and the image is of thought processes.
no need for religion in this realization.
Open source allows for human interaction in its fundamental philosophy, where we all can make or contribute to correction and refinement.
Another example of perfect code and failure was the newly installed 911 service in Atlanta, for the 1996 Olympics. A system that required an address to be entered before it would transmit the call to the field.
Were was the failure here? Failure to give the Bicentennial park an address? Or expecting all places of crime have been given an address? There was nothing wrong with the code of the software but in the design philosophy of the software.
in other words there was no code to correct, without first realizing the philosophy the code was based on was what was in error.
Microsoft is by far, practicing a philosophy of being successful by entrapment of its customers, making people need Microsoft software. And a large part of how it does this is by being Windows, where you can see where you want to go, but you can't get there by yourself.
That's not the way open source software works. And it is open source software pressure that gives MS motive to improve its products.
And MS is biting the hand that is keeping it from being consumer to much of a fat lazy corporate consumer entrapment marketing firm, of which it apparent wants to be. And we have seen and continue to see legal courtroom proof of MS's intent.
you're really not very bright to rely on wikipedia. Especially when you compare Julian credits against yours. Try google findings and realize that as we find out more, Julian continues to get more and more verified.
Perhaps you might even try reading the book rather than showing your ignorance in claiming fiction. There is a lot of research backing Julians work.
considering some posters think humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time... its not a very bright crowd here.
The works of Julian Jaynes would find an interesting test with such a subject (clone of a 5000 year old person.)
While atheist in general seem to just out right deny anything godish in mans evolution a clone of 5000 years ago could most probably give additional proof of Julian work. The Darwin evolution theory and the creationist theory are probably both wrong and the truth is some mix of the two.
Imagine a lab where we create life and its environment and where we of course influence the growth and evolution direction of this lab controlled life.
Now imagine it on a scale of a universe.
I believe It was within the last five thousand years where Julian Jaynes work suggest the transition from bicameral mind to what we have today, happened.
Would such a 5000 year old clone be capable of introspection?
so yeah, my first post was not off topic.... but a natural projection of what we might be able to find out with such new information.
As I discovered wit on of my sites a few years ago, someone had installed a site within mine and in investigating it I discovered there are plenty other siets with teh same issue, many even on Source Forge.
My advice is to do an inventory of the files on your site, to see if you to have such a problem.
You have pointed out issues that need to be addressed.
The merging of religions will happen, none the less.
So many argued against open source software, even today it goes on, but less and less as teh arguements are all failing.
There is that which is consistent between the religions in basic day to day living, so there is already a base of agreement. Where disagreement come in is in the use of higher level abstraction, analogies and metaphors.
What will drive this merging is population growth. And this is happening faster and faster, as we have doubled teh population since about 1971.
Population growth forces mankind to deal with human need issues, to resolve them.
I've identified where god came from, and no religion will go against it, as a house fighting against its foundation will fall, expose itself for its deceptions. And even our science more so support this origin than not.
I mentioned a blog I have "Abstract beliefs" in my first post in this thread.
The more we know about how things really are, the more control we have over what can be. There is also a matter of exposing the tool of abstraction for what it is, good and bad, so that we can easily see its bad use and stop its effect. If you can't hide the truth, by lying, then lying has no value.
Galileo was exonerated because the church could no longer uphold their lie against him. Nobody was believing the lie anymore.
The internet allows open discussion and communication as is here.
Of course there is mans most powerful tool, that of denial. But here on the internet one can be exposed to others, for their denial.
Science doesn't know everything and religions not all on the same page and when it gets down to what really is, errors in both get exposed.
It's far too late for that; all the world's religions have been "open source" for centuries.
Perhaps you are right! Ultimately seek and you will find. And who's looking on the internet that wouldn't look elsewhere?
What I was thinking was that the internet does provide a world wide (more or less) collaboration system where the people of the world have the opportunity to develop a cross platform philosophy where there is effort towards integrity of the one god or common consciousness...etc..
By calling it philosophy rather than religion (its really the same) might reduce friction.
And how might such a project come to be?
I think the more active various religions become on the internet the more likely it is for the general internet population to summarize what all they come across and into a single common picture, or philosophy.
Well considering that the stone image of the beast is.....
The beast is man and the stone is computers, what they are made of. And of course the image of the beast is the image of mans thought process...... as in programs, computer programs.
And I don't need to post Anonymous either.
And hey, even you are using the stone image of the beast. Now be sure to bow down to the beast. for you are not anonymous as you think.
I recently started a blog Abstract Beliefs that some may find interesting.
Wanna know where god came from? How about what should be obvious contradictions in religion that require as much effort to apply suspension of disbelief as what you use when you see a fictional movie?
To have religious leaders communicating in the openness of the internet, can be a very good thing, so long as they don't censor what they might oppose (The catholic church exonerated Galileo in the early 1990's - lots of good it did him).
Its time to properly address the issues and errors of our philosophies..... Imagine open source religion.
Slashdot Mirror
...I've been a member of always have a payoff to the consumer members that reads like an advertisement to benefit the wrong doer? hell I've seen typical store coupons worth more than any of these class action suits were to give the members.
Hmmmm....Maybe it just ran away....
missing link in above: The Trillion Dollar Bet
Remember, this is an analogy using an unrelated but example with hindsight already established, unlike what this article is about.
The idea of the stock market was to allow people in invest in companies they believed in, sort of a put your money where you mouth is vote.
But due to the higher and higher levels of abstraction and manipulation at these higher levels of abstraction, putting your money in companies you believed in, is no longer what moves the market. Instead there have been some very bad things resulting in the manipulations of the markets at these higher abstract levels.
You might not even know where your investment is being put, had you handed it over to someone else to do for you, financial institutes and packages. Examples of very bad results include The Trillion Dollar Bet that drained Southeast Asia, including Indonesia (cia reported 88% Muslim) and gave rise to the repercussions of 911 (don't argue - follow the money instead, Worldcom, Enron, etc. some of the losers in the gamble) and Bernard Madoff's multi-billion dollar Ponzi scheme.
So this deep dark net.... it may not be so bottom line (money) connected, or maybe some of it is with insider trading info, but the results eventually show in the open.
And clearly the saying, "what we make we can break" applies here regarding anonymity, a lock that can be broken, as locks are for honest people.
Its not like governments don't have their own means of inside communications, of which if the public knew what all was communicated, there would be opposition as well.
It comes down to what humans will do, good or bad, where the only difference is in what tools they use to do so.
And the higher the level of abstraction being used ... the more damage it can result in. Good things generally don't require such sneaking around, spy vs. spy... And in the virtual world, what does it matter really matter, unless it has real world results?
At what point in technology advancement will thought police enter the picture? Or perhaps that question should be in the past tense.
What does the article really accomplish? More players in the spy vs. spy game. Absolutely nothing more! Advertising the dark web.
Why increase the number of players?
The solution to the trillion dollar bet was to release the formula used into the public hands, effectively nullifying its ability to be used in such a damaging manner.
the target result that will be eventually achieved is censorship and control over what is communicated publicly over the internet.
And all that is really going on here is the effort to water it down little by little in public semi acceptance and the newbees that simply don't know better.
Freedom is a simple word to understand.
And its easy to see this sort of censorship does not support freedom.
Read the Declaration of Independence if you doubt the intent of the government, any government.
Use a credit card.
How to chose a computer is a different question.
All new systems have all there bugs yet to be discovered.
But an older system for which you can search the internet for finding out any issues it may have, is the trade of of getting nearer to obsolete status.
For basic computing including internet usage, there are plenty of older systems, often free if you just look for toss outs. But then that is not buying and does noty qualify for a response to the question.
After a very long time (near twenty years) of using nothing but toss outs, I bought a new laptop. I knew what in needed it to do and i have found out it doesn't do it as well as I'd have expected of it. I suspect buying a not so old desktop refurb might have produced better results in some applications.
ultimately it comes down to a bit of a gamble regarding the buying of a new systems, no matter how much you research.
Abstraction Physics clearly shows that programming is a recursive process of creating and using abstractions.
There is no issue with reuse but only a need to better generate code that is more appropriate for the application under development rather than from some other intended works.
...going by faster because I am getting older.
"shut it down, shut it all down, forever"
Spam,
Paypal.
low bandwidth due spam congestion.
But it will most likely bring about addition taxation for you usage time. (so much for constant connection value)
And it seems very clear that unknown to you, people will be monitoring and judging you in your use of the internet and this includes all communications you have via the internet and anything connected to teh internet, such as phones that use the internet.
Hmmm, and that means paypal will remain, so when some government official or someone they know or sucking up to them (payola) doesn't like your communication they can take your money away from you.
And tax you for doing so too.
And hey, since you don't really have control over what information gets put on your system in being connected to the internet, you can be set up and busted for all sorts of things. And taxed for it too.
As always, this will get sold to the public as a good thing and the ignorant public will accept it. little by little.
And the worse part......... They won't regulate the spam, it'll continue to be the majority of the traffic on the internet.
Proving how worthless and incompetent they (we know who they are here), to do anything about anything real.
So it should be obvious, just think of spam, if you think there exist any ability to do anything more than spy and attack those they don't like with acts of fraud.
For what is being claimed to be the benefits of such a direction, they should already be able to do anyway.
I.e. get rid of paypal exception to banking regulations.
And that is something they could do, but haven't.
Why is that?
And change their stance on hands off spam.
what more is there to be said aboutit?
your using the wrong apps and data.
You can take small efficient application as was used to be created because ram was to expensive and run hundreds if not thousands of them without a slow down, especially if teh data they are dealing with is near empty. Or you can take one autocad application and large cad file and tax it to its limits and beyond.
I'm sure there are other such applications that are massive and resource hungryas well as data files.
Increased speed and memory of hardware is generally preceived as more for the software developers to use, not for the benefit of improved usability for the user.
I keep saying that someday they will make hardware and software that can keep up with mi thr33 fingre tpuying.You kmnow which three fingers too.
but nobody remembers who the critic is.
and this critic is far less known than Linus.
And obviously less experienced at actually dealing with software development.
Air France went into the ocean. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE CODE!!!
What was in error was the philosophy the code was written by.
A philosophy that disallowed human intervention. Disallowed for human handling of exception.
A philosophy that put machine over man.
Don't bow down to the stone image of the beast of man, for this beast is error prone and the image of this beast can be no better, even in perfection of an image.
computers are made of stone, mineral, metals, etc.. and the image is of thought processes.
no need for religion in this realization.
Open source allows for human interaction in its fundamental philosophy, where we all can make or contribute to correction and refinement.
Another example of perfect code and failure was the newly installed 911 service in Atlanta, for the 1996 Olympics. A system that required an address to be entered before it would transmit the call to the field.
Were was the failure here? Failure to give the Bicentennial park an address? Or expecting all places of crime have been given an address?
There was nothing wrong with the code of the software but in the design philosophy of the software.
in other words there was no code to correct, without first realizing the philosophy the code was based on was what was in error.
Microsoft is by far, practicing a philosophy of being successful by entrapment of its customers, making people need Microsoft software.
And a large part of how it does this is by being Windows, where you can see where you want to go, but you can't get there by yourself.
That's not the way open source software works. And it is open source software pressure that gives MS motive to improve its products.
And MS is biting the hand that is keeping it from being consumer to much of a fat lazy corporate consumer entrapment marketing firm, of which it apparent wants to be.
And we have seen and continue to see legal courtroom proof of MS's intent.
you're really not very bright to rely on wikipedia. Especially when you compare Julian credits against yours.
Try google findings and realize that as we find out more, Julian continues to get more and more verified.
Perhaps you might even try reading the book rather than showing your ignorance in claiming fiction.
There is a lot of research backing Julians work.
considering some posters think humans and dinosaurs lived at the same time... its not a very bright crowd here.
The works of Julian Jaynes would find an interesting test with such a subject (clone of a 5000 year old person.)
While atheist in general seem to just out right deny anything godish in mans evolution a clone of 5000 years ago could most probably give additional proof of Julian work.
The Darwin evolution theory and the creationist theory are probably both wrong and the truth is some mix of the two.
Imagine a lab where we create life and its environment and where we of course influence the growth and evolution direction of this lab controlled life.
Now imagine it on a scale of a universe.
I believe It was within the last five thousand years where Julian Jaynes work suggest the transition from bicameral mind to what we have today, happened.
Would such a 5000 year old clone be capable of introspection?
so yeah, my first post was not off topic.... but a natural projection of what we might be able to find out with such new information.
Clone the guy and see if he is capable of learning and living in this more advanced human environment.
if he can then there will be a lot to say about god and darwin.
Both named "WTF" with a logo "WTF" and first album and song titled "WTF"
Anyone want to join "WTF"?
As I discovered wit on of my sites a few years ago, someone had installed a site within mine and in investigating it I discovered there are plenty other siets with teh same issue, many even on Source Forge.
My advice is to do an inventory of the files on your site, to see if you to have such a problem.
Anyone know of such a thing on linux?
You have pointed out issues that need to be addressed.
The merging of religions will happen, none the less.
So many argued against open source software, even today it goes on, but less and less as teh arguements are all failing.
There is that which is consistent between the religions in basic day to day living, so there is already a base of agreement.
Where disagreement come in is in the use of higher level abstraction, analogies and metaphors.
What will drive this merging is population growth. And this is happening faster and faster, as we have doubled teh population since about 1971.
Population growth forces mankind to deal with human need issues, to resolve them.
I've identified where god came from, and no religion will go against it, as a house fighting against its foundation will fall, expose itself for its deceptions. And even our science more so support this origin than not.
I mentioned a blog I have "Abstract beliefs" in my first post in this thread.
The more we know about how things really are, the more control we have over what can be.
There is also a matter of exposing the tool of abstraction for what it is, good and bad, so that we can easily see its bad use and stop its effect.
If you can't hide the truth, by lying, then lying has no value.
Galileo was exonerated because the church could no longer uphold their lie against him. Nobody was believing the lie anymore.
The internet allows open discussion and communication as is here.
Of course there is mans most powerful tool, that of denial. But here on the internet one can be exposed to others, for their denial.
Science doesn't know everything and religions not all on the same page and when it gets down to what really is, errors in both get exposed.
It's far too late for that; all the world's religions have been "open source" for centuries.
Perhaps you are right! Ultimately seek and you will find.
And who's looking on the internet that wouldn't look elsewhere?
What I was thinking was that the internet does provide a world wide (more or less) collaboration system where the people of the world have the opportunity to develop a cross platform philosophy where there is effort towards integrity of the one god or common consciousness ...etc..
By calling it philosophy rather than religion (its really the same) might reduce friction.
And how might such a project come to be?
I think the more active various religions become on the internet the more likely it is for the general internet population to summarize what all they come across and into a single common picture, or philosophy.
Well considering that the stone image of the beast is.....
The beast is man and the stone is computers, what they are made of.
And of course the image of the beast is the image of mans thought process...... as in programs, computer programs.
And I don't need to post Anonymous either.
And hey, even you are using the stone image of the beast.
Now be sure to bow down to the beast. for you are not anonymous as you think.
Irelands Blasphemy law will extend to the internet if given a chance.
I recently started a blog Abstract Beliefs that some may find interesting.
Wanna know where god came from? How about what should be obvious contradictions in religion that require as much effort to apply suspension of disbelief as what you use when you see a fictional movie?
To have religious leaders communicating in the openness of the internet, can be a very good thing, so long as they don't censor what they might oppose (The catholic church exonerated Galileo in the early 1990's - lots of good it did him).
Its time to properly address the issues and errors of our philosophies..... Imagine open source religion.