Maby the speeling is rong becuase Eenglish isn't the posters frist langauge...
But seriously, if the point of language is to convey a thought, and he conveyed his thought, his language is fine. Perhaps it conveyed to you a little more than his intended thought...like that he's an ass too lazy to check his own spelling. I give the benefit of doubt...to me it conveyed that he didn't know the dictionary spelling of a few words and is perhaps a bit redundant (most best), but then I've known some friggin' smart people who couldn't speel they're weigh oot uv a payper baag.
BTW, anyone intent on helping others understand language should read The Language Instinct by Steven Pinker. There's a lovely chapter on people who insist on correcting the grammar/spelling of others.
At any rate, while I agree that presentation says a lot about you, I hardly think/. is a place to be miffed about another's grammatical and spelling errors.
I hate being a grammar/spelling Nazi too...so I stopped.
My sister bought a PS2 for her sons for two reasons alone (In order of importance):
1) It will still play all their existing PS1 games (a large catalog) 2) It plays DVDs out of the box.
The fact that it plays PS1 games is a HUGE factor in its success, IMHO. My other sister (who's kids have an N64) are not getting a new console this year because of the investment required to build up a new library of games. With the PS2, you get the best of both worlds: ability to start building up your new game library, while preserving your existing one.
This is fairly common knowledge. HP had at one time been working on an NT port of OpenMail but MS threatened them and face it, HP makes more money off of its hardware (with MS licenses pre-installed) than it does off OpenMail...hence, thanks to Microsoft's heavy-handed tactics, OpenMail never became a viable competitor to Exchange.
Well, I'm not sure how it works. There are settings in OpenMail's configuration to force outgoing messages to plain text. I think it does something like this (but haven't really looked into it): 1. if message is going out RTF format, Outlook usually sends a plain text version and a body.rtf file, so OpenMail just kills the body.rtf piece. 2. if message is formatted HTML, I think Outlook does the same thing, so OpenMail just drops the html piece. 3. if it is just one piece, with no body.rtf attached, no msmail.dat attachment, and no other attachment...I don't know what it does. I guess I should check into that.
As for incoming mail, it does something similar...dropping body.rtf and msmail.dat or winmail or whatever that stupid attachment is Outlook likes to send with messages. If it's HTML only with no other piece, it may let it through...I haven't really tried that...hmm.
Alternatively, for outbound, I think there may be a setting to force Outlook to set its format to Plain Text every time it connects to OpenMail...again, I'll have to check into it.
For inbound, even if OpenMail doesn't handle the HTML translation well, I can always use NoHTML instead.
Unfortunately, without an exchange server, they are flakey to say the least.
We use OpenMail as a back end to Outlook and have not had that experience. Shared calendars, discussion boards, meeting scheduling, etc. all work well. Even things like setting up delegates, and opening other users mailboxes for them while they're on vacation works just fine. And the server itself has been up and running for months. If I were the type, I could forget it was there.
I used to work at a GroupWise (5.5) shop. It was actually a pretty nice product. We had a whole integrated voice-mail, e-mail, fax-mail ("universal inbox") solution in place. It was pretty cool to click on my voice-mails in GroupWise and listen to them on my PC...and even respond to them. I know this is a feature that can be added on to any number of these products via third-parties, but GroupWise was the only one I've ever used where we did it.
Not sure I follow you...but if you're suggesting they add PDA support to OpenMail, they already have. They have a direct OpenMail client that runs on Palm devices and WinCE devices.
Trying to send a message to Doe, John when there is also a Doe, John C. in the OpenMail address book gives an ambiguous address error.
We have had similar issues...and that address resolution is probably the one thing about OpenMail that has been a bother, now that you mention it. But, we worked around it in this way:
1. Ensure every user has a valid and unique internet e-mail address 2. send e-mails via SMTP when events occur. 3. Use aliases or distribution lists so you're sending e-mails to roles instead of names (like admin or support instead of Doe, John)
We do this for several applications and it works fine.
We run OpenMail on Linux and it is smooth as silk. I find it to be a fantastic product. What version was it when you were using it? We started w/ 6.0 and are just now migrating to 7.
OpenMail will do all of the above. It is natively X.400 compatible, has its own SMTP/ESMTP gateway (used to depend on Sendmail), talks MAPI, IMAP, LDAP, ccMail, etc. Has a native client for Unix (Motif-based), Mac, Windows...but the native client has no calendaring. Supports Outlook calendars. Has WAP support, etc. It is an awesome product.
We use OpenMail. I read about the discontinuing development last February with much sadness.
When I heard about the deal with Samsung a few weeks ago (we got a letter), I was pleased. I had already read what Bruce Perens had said about open sourcing it...it just wasn't going to happen. He would've like it to (as would I) but there was too much code licensed from third parties, etc. that would have to be re-written before it could be open-sourced, and the whole point was: they weren't developing it anymore.
At any rate, when I came on board at my present employer, the front end client (Outlook) was deeply embedded into the environment here. I am still working on weening people off of it. But the great thing about OpenMail is that I can let them keep Outlook if they want. Believe it or not, when dealt with properly, Outlook is not so bad. The end-users love it. They really don't know and don't care what happens behind the scenes.
OpenMail gives me the flexibility to use any IMAP/LDAP client I want, or the web interface if I so choose, or Outlook. It lets the Outlook users have a system directory, shared folders, and shared calendars...all nice features...without buying into Exchange. It also lets me control what the Outlook users can do. Every time they connect to the server, I can send them a MOTD, reset their security settings to my way, and force all incoming/outgoing mail to be plain text if I so please. I can limit the size of their mailboxes, and I can set up gateways to just about every other type of messaging system I want. I can scan for viruses in attachments at the server and force Outlook to block all attachments of an executable type...whether the server detects a virus or not.
As for the administrative tools, the command line tools are the bomb, but take some getting used to...and the GUI admin client basically sucks.
Overall, I love OpenMail and was glad to pay for the licenses. We have about 100 users hitting the server via Outlook, Netscape Mail, the Web interface, and we even have a whole department with old DOS PCs, accessing their mail via a packet driver and PC-PINE!!! (They refuse to upgrade because it works for them and as the adage goes...if it ain't broke, don't fix it.)
At my place of work, we use a product from Macola that runs on either Pervasive P.SQL 2000 (used to be Btrieve) or Microsoft SQL Server (I know...I know) but we run it on Pervasive.
Now, here's the thing, with a box running Samba and Pervasive (runs on Linux), I know I can get the Macola client (Windows only) to run with a Linux server, but Macola won't support it in this configuration. So, I'm stuck with NT until I can get a better solution. So I'll check out SQL Ledger, NOLA, etc. and hope they offer as much functionality.
First, it appears a majority of/. readers think they are geek-gods or otherwise super-intelligent...surprise, surprise.
Second, contrary to popular opinion here on/., it appears what most/. readers suffer from is not Aspergers, Pervasive Development Disorder, Autism, ADHD, etc...rather, I believe they are mostly hypocondriacs.
Unfortunately, the US government, for whatever reasons, have decided to whore out the rights of its citizens in exchange for increased corporate revenues and, as a result, increased taxes (not to mention all those nice PAC campaign contributions).
Sorry, but the US government knows increased corporate revenues do not result in increased taxes. They may *say* they do, but they know better. As an example, this report (in pdf format) states:
"Of the U.S. corporations on the list, 44 did not pay the full standard 35 percent federal corporate tax rate during the period 1996-1998. Seven of the firms actually paid less than zero in federal income taxes in 1998 (because of rebates). These include: Texaco, Chevron, PepsiCo, Enron, Worldcom, McKesson and the world's biggest corporation--General Motors."
The emphasis is mine...btw, I had to snicker at the Enron bit...not only did their CEO/Board run them into the ground...but they had zero tax burden in 1998...I mean, how could you run your company so bad?...you didn't even have to pay taxes!...major fsck-ups indeed...but I digress.]
Giving breaks to corporations and letting them run willy-nilly all over America does little, if anything, for the people of America. THE ONLY RESULT OF LETTING CORPORATE AMERICA SET GOVERNMENT POLICY IS A BETTER SHOT AT RE-ELECTION FOR THE CAREER POLITICIAN...which is, sadly, the sole concern of most (if not all) American elected officials.
Scenario #1: If neither one runs out of money before the settlement talks are complete, they settler by cross-licensing. Once they're both happily cross-licensed, they have a new market completely locked up unto themselves. We have two winners and a whole bunch of losers.
Scenario #2: Somebody runs out of money. (Evidently, this would most likely be TiVo.) We have one winner and even more losers.
It was an attempt at humor. I don't mean to suggest that watching porn makes you think less of women, I mean it gives you a boner. So you're effected...at least temporarily. If you're not, there's likely something *wrong* with you.
I see you beat me to it. I think this is exactly what will happen. Cross-license and continue on as normal. Exactly the crap that shows what's wrong with patents.
for anyone to think that they can watch/participate-in violence or porno and be completely uneffected by it is foolhardy.
IMHO, watching violence has no effect on me. But if you think you can watch a good porn and NOT BE EFFECTED...whew...that's not just foolhardy, it's plain crazy!
This thing would seem to be a grand-scale lightning rod.
Speaking of lightning...I remember reading once that the a large amount of energy is released in a typical thunderstorm. Why hasn't anybody come up with a way to harvest that?
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Maby the speeling is rong becuase Eenglish isn't the posters frist langauge...
/. is a place to be miffed about another's grammatical and spelling errors.
But seriously, if the point of language is to convey a thought, and he conveyed his thought, his language is fine. Perhaps it conveyed to you a little more than his intended thought...like that he's an ass too lazy to check his own spelling. I give the benefit of doubt...to me it conveyed that he didn't know the dictionary spelling of a few words and is perhaps a bit redundant (most best), but then I've known some friggin' smart people who couldn't speel they're weigh oot uv a payper baag.
BTW, anyone intent on helping others understand language should read The Language Instinct by Steven Pinker. There's a lovely chapter on people who insist on correcting the grammar/spelling of others.
At any rate, while I agree that presentation says a lot about you, I hardly think
I hate being a grammar/spelling Nazi too...so I stopped.
My sister bought a PS2 for her sons for two reasons alone (In order of importance):
1) It will still play all their existing PS1 games (a large catalog)
2) It plays DVDs out of the box.
The fact that it plays PS1 games is a HUGE factor in its success, IMHO. My other sister (who's kids have an N64) are not getting a new console this year because of the investment required to build up a new library of games. With the PS2, you get the best of both worlds: ability to start building up your new game library, while preserving your existing one.
This is fairly common knowledge. HP had at one time been working on an NT port of OpenMail but MS threatened them and face it, HP makes more money off of its hardware (with MS licenses pre-installed) than it does off OpenMail...hence, thanks to Microsoft's heavy-handed tactics, OpenMail never became a viable competitor to Exchange.
Well, I'm not sure how it works. There are settings in OpenMail's configuration to force outgoing messages to plain text. I think it does something like this (but haven't really looked into it):
1. if message is going out RTF format, Outlook usually sends a plain text version and a body.rtf file, so OpenMail just kills the body.rtf piece.
2. if message is formatted HTML, I think Outlook does the same thing, so OpenMail just drops the html piece.
3. if it is just one piece, with no body.rtf attached, no msmail.dat attachment, and no other attachment...I don't know what it does. I guess I should check into that.
As for incoming mail, it does something similar...dropping body.rtf and msmail.dat or winmail or whatever that stupid attachment is Outlook likes to send with messages. If it's HTML only with no other piece, it may let it through...I haven't really tried that...hmm.
Alternatively, for outbound, I think there may be a setting to force Outlook to set its format to Plain Text every time it connects to OpenMail...again, I'll have to check into it.
For inbound, even if OpenMail doesn't handle the HTML translation well, I can always use NoHTML instead.
We use OpenMail as a back end to Outlook and have not had that experience. Shared calendars, discussion boards, meeting scheduling, etc. all work well. Even things like setting up delegates, and opening other users mailboxes for them while they're on vacation works just fine. And the server itself has been up and running for months. If I were the type, I could forget it was there.
I used to work at a GroupWise (5.5) shop. It was actually a pretty nice product. We had a whole integrated voice-mail, e-mail, fax-mail ("universal inbox") solution in place. It was pretty cool to click on my voice-mails in GroupWise and listen to them on my PC...and even respond to them. I know this is a feature that can be added on to any number of these products via third-parties, but GroupWise was the only one I've ever used where we did it.
Niether does OpenMail. Apache does just fine.
Not sure I follow you...but if you're suggesting they add PDA support to OpenMail, they already have. They have a direct OpenMail client that runs on Palm devices and WinCE devices.
We have had similar issues...and that address resolution is probably the one thing about OpenMail that has been a bother, now that you mention it. But, we worked around it in this way:
1. Ensure every user has a valid and unique internet e-mail address
2. send e-mails via SMTP when events occur.
3. Use aliases or distribution lists so you're sending e-mails to roles instead of names (like admin or support instead of Doe, John)
We do this for several applications and it works fine.
No, you don't have to use .PST files. You can if you want to...and you can synchronize your server store with your offline folders (pst file).
We run OpenMail on Linux and it is smooth as silk. I find it to be a fantastic product. What version was it when you were using it? We started w/ 6.0 and are just now migrating to 7.
Microsoft Project delivers tasks via MAPI. With OpenMail (which supports MAPI) you get the same feature(s).
OpenMail will do all of the above. It is natively X.400 compatible, has its own SMTP/ESMTP gateway (used to depend on Sendmail), talks MAPI, IMAP, LDAP, ccMail, etc. Has a native client for Unix (Motif-based), Mac, Windows...but the native client has no calendaring. Supports Outlook calendars. Has WAP support, etc. It is an awesome product.
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We use OpenMail. I read about the discontinuing development last February with much sadness.
When I heard about the deal with Samsung a few weeks ago (we got a letter), I was pleased. I had already read what Bruce Perens had said about open sourcing it...it just wasn't going to happen. He would've like it to (as would I) but there was too much code licensed from third parties, etc. that would have to be re-written before it could be open-sourced, and the whole point was: they weren't developing it anymore.
At any rate, when I came on board at my present employer, the front end client (Outlook) was deeply embedded into the environment here. I am still working on weening people off of it. But the great thing about OpenMail is that I can let them keep Outlook if they want. Believe it or not, when dealt with properly, Outlook is not so bad. The end-users love it. They really don't know and don't care what happens behind the scenes.
OpenMail gives me the flexibility to use any IMAP/LDAP client I want, or the web interface if I so choose, or Outlook. It lets the Outlook users have a system directory, shared folders, and shared calendars...all nice features...without buying into Exchange. It also lets me control what the Outlook users can do. Every time they connect to the server, I can send them a MOTD, reset their security settings to my way, and force all incoming/outgoing mail to be plain text if I so please. I can limit the size of their mailboxes, and I can set up gateways to just about every other type of messaging system I want. I can scan for viruses in attachments at the server and force Outlook to block all attachments of an executable type...whether the server detects a virus or not.
As for the administrative tools, the command line tools are the bomb, but take some getting used to...and the GUI admin client basically sucks.
Overall, I love OpenMail and was glad to pay for the licenses. We have about 100 users hitting the server via Outlook, Netscape Mail, the Web interface, and we even have a whole department with old DOS PCs, accessing their mail via a packet driver and PC-PINE!!! (They refuse to upgrade because it works for them and as the adage goes...if it ain't broke, don't fix it.)
At my place of work, we use a product from Macola that runs on either Pervasive P.SQL 2000 (used to be Btrieve) or Microsoft SQL Server (I know...I know) but we run it on Pervasive.
Now, here's the thing, with a box running Samba and Pervasive (runs on Linux), I know I can get the Macola client (Windows only) to run with a Linux server, but Macola won't support it in this configuration. So, I'm stuck with NT until I can get a better solution. So I'll check out SQL Ledger, NOLA, etc. and hope they offer as much functionality.
First, it appears a majority of /. readers think they are geek-gods or otherwise super-intelligent...surprise, surprise.
/., it appears what most /. readers suffer from is not Aspergers, Pervasive Development Disorder, Autism, ADHD, etc...rather, I believe they are mostly hypocondriacs.
Second, contrary to popular opinion here on
Sorry, but the US government knows increased corporate revenues do not result in increased taxes. They may *say* they do, but they know better. As an example, this report (in pdf format) states:
"Of the U.S. corporations on the list, 44 did not pay the full standard 35 percent federal corporate tax rate during the period 1996-1998. Seven of the firms actually paid less than zero in federal income taxes in 1998 (because of rebates). These include: Texaco, Chevron, PepsiCo, Enron, Worldcom, McKesson and the world's biggest corporation--General Motors."
The emphasis is mine...btw, I had to snicker at the Enron bit...not only did their CEO/Board run them into the ground...but they had zero tax burden in 1998...I mean, how could you run your company so bad?...you didn't even have to pay taxes!...major fsck-ups indeed...but I digress.]
Giving breaks to corporations and letting them run willy-nilly all over America does little, if anything, for the people of America. THE ONLY RESULT OF LETTING CORPORATE AMERICA SET GOVERNMENT POLICY IS A BETTER SHOT AT RE-ELECTION FOR THE CAREER POLITICIAN...which is, sadly, the sole concern of most (if not all) American elected officials.
For more info on such issues (with apologies to non-US
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I cannot think of a time when my sig has ever been more appropriate...
But what about the property rights? Who says the US has the right (or lack thereof) to put anything like this on the moon?
SONICBlue sues TiVo. TiVo countersues.
Scenario #1: If neither one runs out of money before the settlement talks are complete, they settler by cross-licensing. Once they're both happily cross-licensed, they have a new market completely locked up unto themselves. We have two winners and a whole bunch of losers.
Scenario #2: Somebody runs out of money. (Evidently, this would most likely be TiVo.) We have one winner and even more losers.
Either way, we're all a bunch of losers.
It was an attempt at humor. I don't mean to suggest that watching porn makes you think less of women, I mean it gives you a boner. So you're effected...at least temporarily. If you're not, there's likely something *wrong* with you.
I see you beat me to it. I think this is exactly what will happen. Cross-license and continue on as normal. Exactly the crap that shows what's wrong with patents.
Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.
...God how I miss Phil Hartman.
I always thought that was one of the funniest things I've ever heard. "Do not taunt..." (sigh)
IMHO, watching violence has no effect on me. But if you think you can watch a good porn and NOT BE EFFECTED...whew...that's not just foolhardy, it's plain crazy!
Speaking of lightning...I remember reading once that the a large amount of energy is released in a typical thunderstorm. Why hasn't anybody come up with a way to harvest that?
There goes the clean air.