You notice that little @ symbol in front of the name? That's the person who said it. @symbols in the body are who they are to. Check the chain, it's there though you might need to dust off archive.is
ll I see is someone pointing out that people do get killed...
You mean you don't see a part where a group of pro-trans individuals are talking and then one in the threaded chain says "let's kill her instead"?
Laci Green is an interesting example. As you have noticed, the mainstream media doesn't cover random YouTube bloggers
Really? Green is such a nobody that she has millions of followers on social media, popular enough that she was employed by MTV but she's a nobody? Well that sure explains how literal nobodies like Wu and Quinn were all over the news right? And how the media is all over someone with under 100 twitter followers, and it's plastered all over the media to the point where someone is waiting at the airport they're landing at and takes pictures of her.
What is noteworthy is how progressive YouTubers have tried to be conciliatory and reasonable with her.
Some of them yes. Most of them no. Go back and look through her twitter profile, especially after it came out she was dating Chris Raygun. "She needs to be killed" "she should be raped" etc. Those weren't 3rd party trolls either, those were from people who had followed her on social media for years.
By the way, what does this have to do with gamergate?
You can't judge BLM or social justice advocates when they threaten and harass people. See they're just loners. All gamergaters are sexist, racist, homophobes who are worse then ISIS. Figure it out yet?
The proofs against it proved most of the opinions stated as fact to be true.
The proofs against it were long term studies, not opinions.
And there were others that found similar things. When bees die, they take with them many plants, and with them, the food for many animals.
You mean the thing that they're still trying to blame on pesticides, and not a variety of other factors like the current honey bee is nearly a monoculture genus and is very susceptible to mites and fungus? Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that. I'll trust my cousin who owns a bee farm that they lease out for pollinating, and started to have that problem...until they introduced new strains into their hives and it suddenly stopped.
Using silent spring as proof of anything is like claiming that the earth is 5000 years old because the bible says so. Both have been proven to be bullshit.
Oh and just because. Remember this is harassment but it's not harassment when we do it. Also if someone on the "alt-right" or 3rd party troll used the #gamergate hashtag there would be around 40 articles on all the popular sites. But uh, kinda quiet out there isn't it. Must be because Laci Green walked off the plantation and that makes her an unperson now.
Manufacturing victimhood? You mean where actual harassment went on. Or would you like to explain how a self-proclaimed anti-harassment expert, wasn't committing harassment by trying to dox someone to shut them up. Or where people were actually harassed for daring not to fall in line with someone elses ideological narrative?
You know your argument is weak when you have to use Breitbart and YouTube videos as your sources.
You know your argument is weak when you can't dispute a single thing. And you can tell that a person is an ideological coward when they start whining about sources instead of disputing something. Go on, dispute something. I'll wait.
Finding someone saying something silly on Twitter does not prove your point. And anyway, she was probably referring to the talk rather than the individual side, assuming the screen capture is even real (where is your usual archive.is link?)
You mean besides what you can dig directly out of the vine video? Just google it, it's not difficult. Where is my usual archive link, over there where I left it because I'm too lazy to post it. Why? Did you need me to do all the hard legwork for you or something?
Harassment has a legal definition in most places. Where would you draw the line? Because endlessly questioning where to draw the line is the favourite tactic of people who want to avoid talking about the really unambiguous stuff.
Harassment also requires intent. Saying "I'm tired of this person lying through their teeth and being an attention seeker" isn't harassment. Posting it online without sending it to them isn't harassment either. Posting it 43 times in a row to the person is harassment. Saying "you suck" a single time isn't harassment either.
Not sure about US law, but in the UK sending someone an unwanted dick pic deliberately would almost certainly be sexual harassment. Could even be sexual assault if persistent.
In Canada it isn't sexual harassment, neither is it sexual assault. It may fall into corrupting morals, it may fall into publication of child porn(in an under 18 setting)--though the aggressor party would more likely get a stern talking to by police before it even went to juvenile law. In Canada we don't have a defacto "sexual harassment" law, because existing laws already cover this. Between adults it's more likely to be indecency.
Isn't it illegal to flash your genitalia where you live? I mean, if someone went out in public and exposed their genitals to you, would there be nothing you could do about it? Personally I'm not bothered by nudity, although if it was done in a sexually suggestive way I might not appreciate it I guess, but legally speaking most places don't seem to tolerate it.
Yes, and no at the same time. Welcome to Canada. It may be indecency, it may be against public morals, it may be against disorderly conduct. It all comes down to intent, whether it's repetitive behavior, and so on. But there is no flat "this is sexual harassment" because that's overly broad, and thus a charter violation. Laws in Canada, much like the US don't generally operate on "how a person feels" it requires actual and provable damages against the person.
Modern tech seems to have escalated the bullying. Back at school, at least when I was a kid, you were pretty unlikely to get doxxed or send unwanted dick pics. Nowadays... Kids will humiliate each other, take a photo and spread it online so fast it can't be stopped.
Yes and no. What's escalated bullying is that many bullies have figured out how to operate within the rules, this is doubly true in places that use "zero tolerance rules" and so on. A bully will push the bullied person to the point where they snap and fight back, the bully will receive zero punishment the person who fought back will be suspended and up to expelled. Said bullied person will then likely kill themselves because they see no way out of being constantly bullied. Check your local school board, you'll be able to get reports that teachers, principals, and so on knew that this was the case and either did nothing or simply ignored it all the way down.
Thing is, a dick pick isn't harassment. It's stupid but nothing more. Most if not all kids have nothing that relates to doxing. But those rumor mills existed when you were a kid, and the only real difference is that they've moved from just being "at school" to being "at school and also at home" because it's expected that kids have some type of social media. There's a very easy way to separate "real life" and "online" don't give a shit about online.
That seems more than a bit over the top. Or are people really this easily made to feel uncomfortable these days? That would not be good at all.
Sure it's over the top. But remember that this is what victim culture is pushing. And the people that are curating this victimization are feminists, social justice advocates, and so on.
Let's compare: A feminist politician receives the following and claims it's harassment: "I wouldn't even rape you." Mass exposes in the media about how this is terrible, terrible harassment. A male politician receives actual identifiable threats to them and their family, but nary a peep in the media over it. Then there's all the claims that things like saying "you suck" is harassment. Or the claims that critiques of a persons work is harassment. Welcome to the always-victim mentality that's been fostered over the last 20 years by educators, the brilliant helicopter parents, the idiot young child educators and so on. Why do you think there's particular groups pushing safe spaces, push no-platforming, running off to the UN and claiming harassment. Hell you can look at the bullshit mentality in action, look at how many people supported CNN when they decided to threaten to dox a person for a gif. Actual harassment, and coercive behavior but the same people that claim someone else saying "your pov is shit" is harassment, are also defending that harassment.
Thing is, Disqus is a commenting system like spot.im, neither one demands your real name and then ban you if you refuse to hand them your passport or personally identifiable information. Neither one has their own curated news feeds and "feed-in" partnerships. There really isn't an alternative to facebook, nor is there a real alternative to google. Remember that microsoft was slapped with antitrust laws for including it's own web browser, and Intel was slapped with antitrust laws for engaging in unfair market practices.
Let's think about that for a second. Do you really think the government is shelling out $6,716 every time someone buys $100 worth of solar panel from Walmart? And that there's a giant conspiracy to hide that fact from consumers? Does that seem like a sane explanation to you? Or maybe that website should not be trusted without double checking elsewhere on the web.
Not quite that much but according to Fit and Microfit prices here in Ontario, but it's pretty damn close, or roughly 2/3's the price. And people wonder why Ontario has gone from people loving "green energy" to "fuck this, we're grabbing pitch forks."
Human? The journalists at CNN already seem like they've been programmed by the DNC.
Oh come on now. Just because one of their employees leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton doesn't mean anything, it was just a buffer overflow error.
It also creates loopholes for people, and smart people. Look at the case of the guy who was arrested and charged with CP. He either ended up with a severely reduced sentence, or it being dropped by the court(can't remember which), because while the government broke the law to discover who he was -- they were unwilling to disclose how they found out who he actually was. In western law there's a fundamental right of full disclosure, if the prosecution is unwilling to do that you're likely going to walk away as a free man.
So which is it? Trump is an idiot who will destroy the world or Trump is a genius who will take over the world and destroy it. I'm not sure if can keep up with all the anti-Trump talking points and conspiracy theories these days.
Says the person who misses the point so wildly that they can't see it with the hubble telescope. The moment that the press goes from "reporting" to "coercive control" it is a free speech issue. It's not difficult to grasp, it's not rocket surgery.
But it's always good to know that there are people who are so supportive of blocking speech they don't like, that they're willing to go to any length to also inflict harm on a person. You'd fit in very well with feminists, antifa and various black-block organizations.
But 8chan has now doxxed 6 CNN anchors: David Chalian, Wolf Blitzer, Erik Erickson, Brian Stelter, Don Lemon, and Daniel Merica. Their names, addresses, emails, and phone numbers are up.
Correction: 4chan(it was also then posted to 8chan, 2chan and 2ch along with krautchan), and a second correction all of that was public information. You can pull all of those names, addresses, email addresses and phone numbers directly from your favorite search engine. Doxing requires private information, being used against an individual.
What's the difference between them and the guy on reddit? The guy on reddit was pseudo-anonymous like you are right now. To make it simple for you. Imagine you make a post here on/., then CNN get's wind of it. So they then track you down, write a story, in that story they say they reserve the right to publish your name if you step out of line. Now you're being coerced to do what CNN is telling you, otherwise they'd publicly tie your pseudo-anonymous account to your real name.
What do you mean "calling for censorship." They've not been calling for it, they've been pushing for it. Just like progressives and pro-social justice people have been pushing to shut down speeches/talks/etc by people that have views contrary to the ones they hold. The kicker? The guy who pushed the story used to work for buzzfeed, the same organization with a history of doxing people. One can only hope that this guy goes Hulk Hogan on them, and destroys CNN for their own stupidity. And with them pushing absolute garbage like this, the first nail in their coffin should be the revoking of their WH press pass.
Oh, Mashiki, except...Trump's method was entirely different, implemented in a flawed and disruptive manner, and suspect because of Trump's own stated intentions.
You mean using exactly the same policy that Obama was? Using the exact type of wording that he was? Oh it's very telling how many people are against Trump doing this when they were willing to allow Obama to do exactly the same thing.
Maybe while you're at it, you can explain why Obama directly excluded some groups of minorities from getting visa's/claiming asylum/etc, while prioritizing muslims for instance. Unless of course you'd like to claim that groups that account for under 5% in a muslim majority country aren't actually a minority.
Well then, the following statement is 100% reasonable:
Stop posting that or I'll dox you and your family. See it's not a threat now is it. It's just a friendly suggestion, that you're going to do what I tell you or else.
In Ontario, the difference between living and surviving? If you're making $60k in Toronto you're not even making ends meet. If you're making $60k in Ingersoll, you're going to be well off. But large bumps in the minimum wage don't translate well to large geographic areas(cities to provinces/states). It's the small businesses that will shut up shop first, it will be the union shops that demand that they go from $24-26/hr to $38/hr to keep pace with the $10/hr to $15/hr jump in wages.
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Who is supposed to have said that?
You notice that little @ symbol in front of the name? That's the person who said it. @symbols in the body are who they are to. Check the chain, it's there though you might need to dust off archive.is
ll I see is someone pointing out that people do get killed ...
You mean you don't see a part where a group of pro-trans individuals are talking and then one in the threaded chain says "let's kill her instead"?
Laci Green is an interesting example. As you have noticed, the mainstream media doesn't cover random YouTube bloggers
Really? Green is such a nobody that she has millions of followers on social media, popular enough that she was employed by MTV but she's a nobody? Well that sure explains how literal nobodies like Wu and Quinn were all over the news right? And how the media is all over someone with under 100 twitter followers, and it's plastered all over the media to the point where someone is waiting at the airport they're landing at and takes pictures of her.
What is noteworthy is how progressive YouTubers have tried to be conciliatory and reasonable with her.
Some of them yes. Most of them no. Go back and look through her twitter profile, especially after it came out she was dating Chris Raygun. "She needs to be killed" "she should be raped" etc. Those weren't 3rd party trolls either, those were from people who had followed her on social media for years.
By the way, what does this have to do with gamergate?
You can't judge BLM or social justice advocates when they threaten and harass people. See they're just loners. All gamergaters are sexist, racist, homophobes who are worse then ISIS. Figure it out yet?
The proofs against it proved most of the opinions stated as fact to be true.
The proofs against it were long term studies, not opinions.
And there were others that found similar things. When bees die, they take with them many plants, and with them, the food for many animals.
You mean the thing that they're still trying to blame on pesticides, and not a variety of other factors like the current honey bee is nearly a monoculture genus and is very susceptible to mites and fungus? Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that. I'll trust my cousin who owns a bee farm that they lease out for pollinating, and started to have that problem...until they introduced new strains into their hives and it suddenly stopped.
Using silent spring as proof of anything is like claiming that the earth is 5000 years old because the bible says so. Both have been proven to be bullshit.
Oh and just because. Remember this is harassment but it's not harassment when we do it. Also if someone on the "alt-right" or 3rd party troll used the #gamergate hashtag there would be around 40 articles on all the popular sites. But uh, kinda quiet out there isn't it. Must be because Laci Green walked off the plantation and that makes her an unperson now.
Who is manufacturing victimhood now?
Manufacturing victimhood? You mean where actual harassment went on. Or would you like to explain how a self-proclaimed anti-harassment expert, wasn't committing harassment by trying to dox someone to shut them up. Or where people were actually harassed for daring not to fall in line with someone elses ideological narrative?
You know your argument is weak when you have to use Breitbart and YouTube videos as your sources.
You know your argument is weak when you can't dispute a single thing. And you can tell that a person is an ideological coward when they start whining about sources instead of disputing something. Go on, dispute something. I'll wait.
Finding someone saying something silly on Twitter does not prove your point. And anyway, she was probably referring to the talk rather than the individual side, assuming the screen capture is even real (where is your usual archive.is link?)
You mean besides what you can dig directly out of the vine video? Just google it, it's not difficult. Where is my usual archive link, over there where I left it because I'm too lazy to post it. Why? Did you need me to do all the hard legwork for you or something?
Harassment has a legal definition in most places. Where would you draw the line? Because endlessly questioning where to draw the line is the favourite tactic of people who want to avoid talking about the really unambiguous stuff.
Harassment also requires intent. Saying "I'm tired of this person lying through their teeth and being an attention seeker" isn't harassment. Posting it online without sending it to them isn't harassment either. Posting it 43 times in a row to the person is harassment. Saying "you suck" a single time isn't harassment either.
Not sure about US law, but in the UK sending someone an unwanted dick pic deliberately would almost certainly be sexual harassment. Could even be sexual assault if persistent.
In Canada it isn't sexual harassment, neither is it sexual assault. It may fall into corrupting morals, it may fall into publication of child porn(in an under 18 setting)--though the aggressor party would more likely get a stern talking to by police before it even went to juvenile law. In Canada we don't have a defacto "sexual harassment" law, because existing laws already cover this. Between adults it's more likely to be indecency.
Isn't it illegal to flash your genitalia where you live? I mean, if someone went out in public and exposed their genitals to you, would there be nothing you could do about it? Personally I'm not bothered by nudity, although if it was done in a sexually suggestive way I might not appreciate it I guess, but legally speaking most places don't seem to tolerate it.
Yes, and no at the same time. Welcome to Canada. It may be indecency, it may be against public morals, it may be against disorderly conduct. It all comes down to intent, whether it's repetitive behavior, and so on. But there is no flat "this is sexual harassment" because that's overly broad, and thus a charter violation. Laws in Canada, much like the US don't generally operate on "how a person feels" it requires actual and provable damages against the person.
Modern tech seems to have escalated the bullying. Back at school, at least when I was a kid, you were pretty unlikely to get doxxed or send unwanted dick pics. Nowadays... Kids will humiliate each other, take a photo and spread it online so fast it can't be stopped.
Yes and no. What's escalated bullying is that many bullies have figured out how to operate within the rules, this is doubly true in places that use "zero tolerance rules" and so on. A bully will push the bullied person to the point where they snap and fight back, the bully will receive zero punishment the person who fought back will be suspended and up to expelled. Said bullied person will then likely kill themselves because they see no way out of being constantly bullied. Check your local school board, you'll be able to get reports that teachers, principals, and so on knew that this was the case and either did nothing or simply ignored it all the way down.
Thing is, a dick pick isn't harassment. It's stupid but nothing more. Most if not all kids have nothing that relates to doxing. But those rumor mills existed when you were a kid, and the only real difference is that they've moved from just being "at school" to being "at school and also at home" because it's expected that kids have some type of social media. There's a very easy way to separate "real life" and "online" don't give a shit about online.
sounds just like a troll justifying trolling...
abuse is abuse
Sure let's go with that. Going by your own post, the above is harassment. Please send victimbux to email address next to UID.
But let's roll with some examples: Kotaku defends why they incited harassment against nintendo. Leftwing journo say's they're being harassed after lying and sicing antifa on other journalists. One of the "big name" people who claimed Gamergate=harassment engaging in harassment. Her organization engaging in targeted harassment, media gives no shits because it doesn't fit the narrative. People directly linked to her organization engage in doxing and harassment. Just remember it's okay when one ideology does it, but only one. Also remember existing is harassment. If you want more examples, try Tim Pool.
The notion of "harassment" has got very blurry lately...
Reminder that this is the current definition of harassment.
You mean like China? Funny how there isn't that level of the media going on, and on, and on, and on about them.
That seems more than a bit over the top. Or are people really this easily made to feel uncomfortable these days? That would not be good at all.
Sure it's over the top. But remember that this is what victim culture is pushing. And the people that are curating this victimization are feminists, social justice advocates, and so on.
Let's compare: A feminist politician receives the following and claims it's harassment: "I wouldn't even rape you." Mass exposes in the media about how this is terrible, terrible harassment. A male politician receives actual identifiable threats to them and their family, but nary a peep in the media over it. Then there's all the claims that things like saying "you suck" is harassment. Or the claims that critiques of a persons work is harassment. Welcome to the always-victim mentality that's been fostered over the last 20 years by educators, the brilliant helicopter parents, the idiot young child educators and so on. Why do you think there's particular groups pushing safe spaces, push no-platforming, running off to the UN and claiming harassment. Hell you can look at the bullshit mentality in action, look at how many people supported CNN when they decided to threaten to dox a person for a gif. Actual harassment, and coercive behavior but the same people that claim someone else saying "your pov is shit" is harassment, are also defending that harassment.
Thing is, Disqus is a commenting system like spot.im, neither one demands your real name and then ban you if you refuse to hand them your passport or personally identifiable information. Neither one has their own curated news feeds and "feed-in" partnerships. There really isn't an alternative to facebook, nor is there a real alternative to google. Remember that microsoft was slapped with antitrust laws for including it's own web browser, and Intel was slapped with antitrust laws for engaging in unfair market practices.
Let's think about that for a second. Do you really think the government is shelling out $6,716 every time someone buys $100 worth of solar panel from Walmart? And that there's a giant conspiracy to hide that fact from consumers? Does that seem like a sane explanation to you? Or maybe that website should not be trusted without double checking elsewhere on the web.
Not quite that much but according to Fit and Microfit prices here in Ontario, but it's pretty damn close, or roughly 2/3's the price. And people wonder why Ontario has gone from people loving "green energy" to "fuck this, we're grabbing pitch forks."
Human? The journalists at CNN already seem like they've been programmed by the DNC.
Oh come on now. Just because one of their employees leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton doesn't mean anything, it was just a buffer overflow error.
*sigh* You think it's about Trump?
Is there currently more then one president in the US? Or are you saying your "whitehouse" point was unrelated.
It also creates loopholes for people, and smart people. Look at the case of the guy who was arrested and charged with CP. He either ended up with a severely reduced sentence, or it being dropped by the court(can't remember which), because while the government broke the law to discover who he was -- they were unwilling to disclose how they found out who he actually was. In western law there's a fundamental right of full disclosure, if the prosecution is unwilling to do that you're likely going to walk away as a free man.
So which is it? Trump is an idiot who will destroy the world or Trump is a genius who will take over the world and destroy it. I'm not sure if can keep up with all the anti-Trump talking points and conspiracy theories these days.
Says the person who misses the point so wildly that they can't see it with the hubble telescope. The moment that the press goes from "reporting" to "coercive control" it is a free speech issue. It's not difficult to grasp, it's not rocket surgery.
But it's always good to know that there are people who are so supportive of blocking speech they don't like, that they're willing to go to any length to also inflict harm on a person. You'd fit in very well with feminists, antifa and various black-block organizations.
But 8chan has now doxxed 6 CNN anchors: David Chalian, Wolf Blitzer, Erik Erickson, Brian Stelter, Don Lemon, and Daniel Merica. Their names, addresses, emails, and phone numbers are up.
Correction: 4chan(it was also then posted to 8chan, 2chan and 2ch along with krautchan), and a second correction all of that was public information. You can pull all of those names, addresses, email addresses and phone numbers directly from your favorite search engine. Doxing requires private information, being used against an individual.
What's the difference between them and the guy on reddit? The guy on reddit was pseudo-anonymous like you are right now. To make it simple for you. Imagine you make a post here on /., then CNN get's wind of it. So they then track you down, write a story, in that story they say they reserve the right to publish your name if you step out of line. Now you're being coerced to do what CNN is telling you, otherwise they'd publicly tie your pseudo-anonymous account to your real name.
Figure it out yet?
What do you mean "calling for censorship." They've not been calling for it, they've been pushing for it. Just like progressives and pro-social justice people have been pushing to shut down speeches/talks/etc by people that have views contrary to the ones they hold. The kicker? The guy who pushed the story used to work for buzzfeed, the same organization with a history of doxing people. One can only hope that this guy goes Hulk Hogan on them, and destroys CNN for their own stupidity. And with them pushing absolute garbage like this, the first nail in their coffin should be the revoking of their WH press pass.
Oh, Mashiki, except...Trump's method was entirely different, implemented in a flawed and disruptive manner, and suspect because of Trump's own stated intentions.
You mean using exactly the same policy that Obama was? Using the exact type of wording that he was? Oh it's very telling how many people are against Trump doing this when they were willing to allow Obama to do exactly the same thing.
Maybe while you're at it, you can explain why Obama directly excluded some groups of minorities from getting visa's/claiming asylum/etc, while prioritizing muslims for instance. Unless of course you'd like to claim that groups that account for under 5% in a muslim majority country aren't actually a minority.
That's exactly what it means:
"I may find your speech abhorrent, disgusting, terrible. But I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
Well then, the following statement is 100% reasonable:
Stop posting that or I'll dox you and your family. See it's not a threat now is it. It's just a friendly suggestion, that you're going to do what I tell you or else.
In Ontario, the difference between living and surviving? If you're making $60k in Toronto you're not even making ends meet. If you're making $60k in Ingersoll, you're going to be well off. But large bumps in the minimum wage don't translate well to large geographic areas(cities to provinces/states). It's the small businesses that will shut up shop first, it will be the union shops that demand that they go from $24-26/hr to $38/hr to keep pace with the $10/hr to $15/hr jump in wages.