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Kaspersky Lab Has Been Working With Russian Intelligence (bloomberg.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Internal company emails obtained by Bloomberg Businessweek show that Kaspersky Lab has maintained a much closer working relationship with Russia's main intelligence agency, the FSB, than it has publicly admitted. It has developed security technology at the spy agency's behest and worked on joint projects the CEO knew would be embarrassing if made public. The previously unreported emails, from October 2009, are from a thread between Eugene Kaspersky and senior staff. In Russian, Kaspersky outlines a project undertaken in secret a year earlier "per a big request on the Lubyanka side," a reference to the FSB offices. Kaspersky Lab confirmed the emails are authentic.
The software that the CEO was referring to had the stated purpose of protecting clients, including the Russian government, from distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks, but its scope went further. Kaspersky Lab would also cooperate with internet hosting companies to locate bad actors and block their attacks, while assisting with "active countermeasures," a capability so sensitive that Kaspersky advised his staff to keep it secret. In this case, Kaspersky may have been referring to something even more rare in the security world. A person familiar with the company's anti-DDoS system says it's made up of two parts. The first consists of traditional defensive techniques, including rerouting malicious traffic to servers that can harmlessly absorb it. The second part is more unusual: Kaspersky provides the FSB with real-time intelligence on the hackers' location and sends experts to accompany the FSB and Russian police when they conduct raids. That's what Kaspersky was referring to in the emails, says the person familiar with the system. They weren't just hacking the hackers; they were banging down the doors. Kaspersky Lab has issued a statement in response to Bloomberg's report. It reads in part: "Regardless of how the facts are misconstrued to fit in with a hypothetical, false theory, Kaspersky Lab, and its executives, do not have inappropriate ties with any government. The company does regularly work with governments and law enforcement agencies around the world with the sole purpose of fighting cybercrime. In the internal communications referenced within the recent article, the facts are once again either being misinterpreted or manipulated to fit the agenda of certain individuals desperately wanting there to be inappropriate ties between the company, its CEO and the Russian government, but no matter what communication they claim to have, the facts clearly remain there is no evidence because no such inappropriate ties exist."
The software that the CEO was referring to had the stated purpose of protecting clients, including the Russian government, from distributed denial-of-service (DDoS) attacks, but its scope went further. Kaspersky Lab would also cooperate with internet hosting companies to locate bad actors and block their attacks, while assisting with "active countermeasures," a capability so sensitive that Kaspersky advised his staff to keep it secret. In this case, Kaspersky may have been referring to something even more rare in the security world. A person familiar with the company's anti-DDoS system says it's made up of two parts. The first consists of traditional defensive techniques, including rerouting malicious traffic to servers that can harmlessly absorb it. The second part is more unusual: Kaspersky provides the FSB with real-time intelligence on the hackers' location and sends experts to accompany the FSB and Russian police when they conduct raids. That's what Kaspersky was referring to in the emails, says the person familiar with the system. They weren't just hacking the hackers; they were banging down the doors. Kaspersky Lab has issued a statement in response to Bloomberg's report. It reads in part: "Regardless of how the facts are misconstrued to fit in with a hypothetical, false theory, Kaspersky Lab, and its executives, do not have inappropriate ties with any government. The company does regularly work with governments and law enforcement agencies around the world with the sole purpose of fighting cybercrime. In the internal communications referenced within the recent article, the facts are once again either being misinterpreted or manipulated to fit the agenda of certain individuals desperately wanting there to be inappropriate ties between the company, its CEO and the Russian government, but no matter what communication they claim to have, the facts clearly remain there is no evidence because no such inappropriate ties exist."
To be fair, Eugene Kaspersky did meet with Russian intelligence, but they only discussed adoption.
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Imagine that, a Russian company working for/with the Russians. How quaint. Much like the Cripts and Bloods working for the CIA.
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Why is our media trying so hard to start a war between the U.S. and Russia?
"His name was James Damore."
But I'm not really feeling the outrage here, at least with regard to what was reported.
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From https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
"worry U.S. national security officials "
"six U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agency chiefs were asked"
"While the U.S. government hasn’t disclosed any evidence of the ties"
"A person familiar with"
"The U.S. government hasn’t identified any evidence connecting"
Consider all the good work thats been done over the years.
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Stuxnet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Work to publish on Gauss, Regin, Flame, Red October, Duqu, Silverlight and Mask
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
I noticed last week or so "Russia this, Russia that" hysteria, rumours and manipulations appeared here, something strange, as they don't contain any credible information, even anything interesting for geek, just gossips - and it's trending in traditionally geeky website.
Slashdot was safe harbor for me for more than a decade from filthy political news and "news for housewives".
Seems its time to put dot and say bye bye?
P.S. Yes i'm russian, and i hate politics and propaganda. Peace!
Next thing you'll be telling me Facebook is a project of the CI%!*^#.NO CARRIER
In a move that literally doesn't surprise anybody... That's why you should trust anything made by foreign countries, especially China and Russia.
Because we're not racist like you.
But his emails!
Lock Trump Jr up!
Covfefe out.
"Russian integrity", "Russian democracy" or "Russian sobriety" would indeed be oxymorons. You can't deny a good minority of Russians to be intelligent, though. Their country suffering from an unbroken series of bloody dictators for at least 500 years is another matter, and most people learned that trying to fight against the dictator currently in power is far more unhealthy than it would be in most other countries.
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
I guess everyone's forgotten all about RSA Security's cozy relationship with those friendly NSA folks. -PCP
So, it is being claimed that Kaspersky's is trying to take down cyber-criminals? If they were accused of using their anti-virus software to spy that would be a different story.
One of the most brilliant listening devices was designed by a Russian named Leon Theremin. Yeah the theremin guy invented this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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"Russian" isn't a race.
and Pence in. Trump is unpredictable. He's come out in favor and against single payer health care, restrictions on work visas, tariffs and a whole host of populist ideas that the folks that actually own the media aren't too keen on. Now, it's not that they expect Trump to actually _do_ any of that (he's still one of them after all) but they don't want folks to even know a progressive agenda is a possibility. So Trump's out, Pence is in and the mega-corp status quo is maintained. Maybe with a tad more religious furor but that doesn't affect them personally. Nothing much ever does...
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and older folks are worried about politics. We're getting old enough to worry about pensions, medicare, our kid's job prospects, etc, etc. Politics affects _everything_. Like the internet? Then you better pay attention to politics. Remember, it's not just news for nerds, it's also stuff that matters. The President getting impeached and replaced with a far right, intensely religious VP? Yeah. That Matters.
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Russian Intelligence? Are you mad?
Even if Kaspersky doesn't want to do anything bad, I can't imagine that Russian intelligence doesn't have someone on the inside. Just as I can't imaging the CIA or NSA doesn't have someone inside MS and Google.
I don't know why this is such a big deal - they are a Russian company, which means they are (whether they like it or not) somewhat under the influence of the Russian government. Just as (again) MS and Google are somewhat under the influence of the US government.
Stop freaking out about it already, and if you consider their products just make sure you think about the ways this could be a problem for you or not.
And frankly if Kaspersky is helping the intelligence guys kick down the doors of DOS script kiddies, more power to them. It's not like the guys who do DOS attacks are generally all that smart or useful, they're just damned annoying to the rest of us.
A thousand pounds of wood moving at 300 feet per minute. Don't get in the way.
Somebody doesn't know what the first D in DDoS stands for evidently (No, Kapersky was not identifying the hacker's location. That is not even within the realm of possibility.)
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Pretty funny considering it's well known that nearly ALL top tech companies in the USA have cooperated extensively with multiple American intelligence and law enforcement agencies with details of actual incidents now in the public domain.
Meanwhile we're supposed to give a fuck about vague insinuations with one Russian software company???
It isn't like the Intel McAfee division works with the CIA, NSA, and FBI amongst others on analysis of network traffic and features in their product... Which has been publicly discussed quite a bit. This is a Russian cybersecurity firm dealing with a Russian nation-state-level governmental security organization.
Find an exploit put into their products to spy on the users that can be traced to the FSB, then its news.
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It would be more fun to read Russia cannot afford top notch security people with programming and debug ability, and has to pay through the nose to get basic assistance for predictable annoyances. In which case Kaspersky is just another company seeking to line its pockets - just as all serious USA players have been doing, albeit embarrassing if word leaked out.
The REAL story is major countries have counter strategies they are not sharing with the community or publishing - not even the GOP. What comes around ...
How not a fucking surprise.
In a country where any private company can be nationalized on a whim, I doubt any interaction with the government is deemed inappropriate.
If you don't trust the Russian government, don't do business with Russian companies.
Really?
Last time checked, Apple refused to decrypt an iPhone for the FBI. Google, and Amazon also force the government to subpoena them for information. It's bad business to give up your customer's data, and America is capatalist.
When you protest in Russia, you get killed one way another, possibly by polonium laced water. What happens in America? At worst a civil infraction.
To illustrate my point further: when was the last time you bribed a police officer? After all the stuff I've seen, I actually like police officers now.
All of these Americans who have never visited Russia have no idea how good we have it. Obama as far as i know did not have a bank account in Panama, but both Putin and Poroshenko did.
It's disappointing to see how we've lost faith in our own country, which has spread freedom across the world, for which other coubtries thank us for having done so. I never trusted Kaspersky, and now I have a reason to.
Sure disagree with me. America sucks, right? Well when Putin surreptitiously takes over America in 2020 (next time via democratic candidate because no one is suspecting it, and that's what a troll does), I bet you'll be begging for old America: where people take pride in their jobs. Ambulances show up to your house in minutes, not hours, and you don't need to bribe people to get things you want.
Apple only stands for freedom when fronting for american consumers.. apple has casued 100s maybe more to die or get jailed in china indoniesea etc etc. So Apple encryption cares is bullcrap
Exactly! I too am definitely American and laugh heartily at how USA NSA and CIA are true evil of world. Russia is the good guy, but sites like slashdot ruled by democrat party are hurt there reputation hugely. So sad.
Meanwhile we're supposed to give a fuck about vague insinuations with one Russian software company
More like buyer beware. It shouldn't be a surprise that companies cooperate with governments where they are domiciled and sometimes other governments too. Individuals should keep that in mind whenever they use software, especially closed source software, produced by these companies.
All, absolutely all modern software and hardware, are based on eavesdropping. We read about entrepreneurs who built a global software empire via hard work and a talent overnight. But it just cannot be true. These all are projects which require enormous investments of several generations.
I think it is time to start building computing from scratch, from the ground, with open hardware and software, with command line tools at first. With big transparent casings, so that we can actually trace wires and components.
I see no problem with the FSB banging the door of a few Russian hackers. What did the Author of this crap expect, how should the number of Russian hackers dwindle? Sending in the FBI/CIA?
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Getting older? Bullshit. We've always been getting older.
It's more PROPAGANDA now.
Russians rushing are a race.
Seriously, what the fuck did you expect? That's like expecting norton not to work with the CIA.
But they are cooperating with American intelligence and law enforcement to protect your freedom. Not unlike the bad guy Russia. Duh!
A security company aids its own government with special solutions to keep their systems secure, as any company in any country would, but if it's a Russian company then the U.S. propaganda mill moves into high gear to make it sound like they're trying to hack the planet.
American bullshit and propaganda, as always. Kaspersky delivers a top quality suite of security product, regardless if they sell their products to one or more governments.
Stop trying to make them out as some spying company or malware producer. It won't work, and nobody buys it.
The good ol' whataboutism.
It just never gets too old when there's something to report about Russia.
It appears like the Russian propaganda machine is very effective at sowing distrust and animosity in the West.
I've observed a similar thing happening here in Germany over the last decade. Basically whenever an online news outlet reports anything remotely critical about events in Russia, there's a huge circlejerking outrage in the comment section with a lot of people becoming apologists, establishing that Russia is the last bastion of good morals in Europe. In turn they're complaining about 'Gleichschaltung' of all western media. Because you know, when a lot of people say the same thing, then there must be a conspiracy behind it. Stating random things that happen in Germany or the US, which are 'a lot worse' than events in Russia. Usually referring to RT.com and asking why Western media doesn't cover these things. And yes, they like to bash the US for no good reason, even if it isn't mentioned in the article.
Thankfully these are mostly things that happen on the internet. But as these platforms become more and more important when it comes to forming opinions the future doesn't look that bright.
Well, it all depends on where you would prefer your data not to show up - in the hand of the GRU or FSB, or in the hand of the NSA or FBI? To be honest, judging from the past actions of the US and Russia, I would avoid antivirus software from those countries altogether. France and the UK are out of question, too, they have a long history of totalitarian surveillance measures. Maybe I'm wrong, but from all I've heard - endless discussions about the legality of government Trojans, etc. - I'd find it less likely that a German antivirus producer collude directly with government agencies. I'm sure there are even better choices if you care to look closely at the public discussion, laws, and the way intelligence agencies operate in other countries. Maybe some other European country?
The real problem is that antivirus software tends to be fairly insecure in itself, though, to the extent that some people have started to question whether it actually heightens security. :/
The US has a long-standing tradition of allowing political dissent. You only get thrown in the gulag if you smoke pot or don't pay your fair share under duress. Yes, freedom all over the world. Especially in the middle east where I never voted to spend a single dollar of money. Russia sucks. But America does too.
These are trolls, just ignore them. Russia has a special eye on Germany, not just for geostrategical reasons but also because due to his past Putin considers it somehow his home turf.
All this is talking about is the FSB wanting normal protection that any business would want. Somehow because they are Russian that is bad.
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I can only assume that you have never been to Russia and why you are explaining that one maybe you can tell me what is wrong with having a bank account in Panama? Protest is a normal part of life in Russia just like most European countries. Yes, bad things happen but far less than in the US. As for the US spreading freedom, you must be smoking some really strong stuff. Iraq was a free country that is now overrun with terrorists, Libya had a good democracy but now overrun with terrorists, Syria was the most secular country in the middle east and is now overrun with terrorists. You seem to be confusing destroying countries with spreading freedom.
I love stacking my barbecues in the shed at the end of summer - you can't beat a bit of grill on grill action.
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The company does regularly work with governments and law enforcement agencies around the world with the sole purpose of fighting cybercrime.
And I don't see what's wrong with that.
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People hate Microsoft's antivirus software. Microsoft tries to make it hard as hell to install anyone else's antivirus because many conflict with their internal phoning home stuff. Kaspersky is the popular choice and because of Russian ties, they cleverly utilize what's been going on with Trump and Russia as a means to discredit a company that hasn't been doing anything different than any other antivirus or security company has done. The U.S. security software companies also give out the addresses of threats to police. If you want antivirus that doesn't, you will have to go the open source route with a system like Linux or antivirus like ClamAV. I think they're afraid that antivirus software is becoming too intelligent and may confuse a "normal" Microsoft running processes as a virus because of how Windows 10 and Cortona works.
Same two authors wrote an article from 2015 with the same intent.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
and a great retort from that 2015 article https://www.grahamcluley.com/k...
I would like to see an actual evidence based reason before I put Kaspersky on my shit list (Russia is already on it). Working with a government to track down DDoS attackers is not a low point for a security company.
Vladimir? Is that you? Don't you have an invasion in the Ukraine to run?
...I would have posted as an Anonymous Coward.
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