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CNN Warns It May Expose An Anonymous Critic If He Ever Again Publishes Bad Content (theintercept.com)
New submitter evolutionary writes: CNN appears to be giving veiled threats at a Reddit user who posted critical comments about the media giant. After an apology was given by the Reddit user (possibly under fear upon discovering CNN had his identity), CNN stated: "CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change." The story stems around Trump's July 2nd tweet, which includes a video showing him wrestle and takedown someone with a photoshopped CNN logo on their head. The video was accompanied by the hashtags #FraudNewsCNN and #FNN. CNN reportedly tracked down the Reddit user who claimed credit for the tweet and announced they would not publicize the user's identity since they issued a lengthy public apology, promised not to repeat the behavior, and claimed status as a private citizen. However, as The Intercept reports, "the network explicitly threatened that it could change its mind about withholding the user's real name if this behavior changes in the future: 'CNN is not publishing HanA**holeSolo's name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same. CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.'"
What the fuck?
On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
get doxxed by a major news network.
Remember kids, it's different for the media.
Wow did CNN mess up. And that Cuomo guy truly screwed the pooch* You would think that growing up in a political family, with a Governor for a father and a brother that he wouldn't step in it so badly.
:)
What a colossal failure on the part of CNN.
* Yeah. The first time I ever used that expression.
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Amazing.
Assange condemns the threat to dox. Priceless.
The guy admitted to them he's a troll, and asked them not to publish his real name because of the potential negative impact his trolling would have on his real life. They said ok, but if you start trolling again we may not be willing to withhold your name.
What's the better option? What they did, or publish and be damned (with probably at least a bunch of harassment for the guy), or withhold the name but not tell him they might publish in future if he keeps it up? I think they chose a reasonable course.
Of course they should hold him to his words. He slandered them brutally and they're under no obligation to spare his feelings. This is a classic case of talk shit get hit except CNN are trying to be better people and not stoop to the level of the trumpanzee.
I'm guessing there's a lot of embarrassing stuff he doesn't want investigated by CNN (assuming he's your run-of-the-mill /b/tard).
Remember this when an outlet claims to be anti-doxxing (or anti-harassment, or anti-racism, or anti-etc.) . . . they're full of shit unless they're against it happened to BOTH (read: all) sides.
So the gif is re-tweet by Trump.
CNN got someone to find out where it came from.
Journalist tracks down person who created it.
They find out he's a racist piece of shit.
They try to contact him.
He freaks the fuck out and deletes everything and apologies.
He then contacts CNN apologizing and begs them not to name him.
CNN find him genuine and agree, and publish his account of things.
CNN reserve the right to publish his name in case he renegs (e.g. 'haha CNN so dumb I played them')
I see no problem here
The media needs to exercise more of their power.
So, I haven't been following this at all, but the summary makes no sense.
The story stems around Trump's July 2nd tweet, ... CNN reportedly tracked down the Reddit user who claimed credit for the tweet and announced they would not publicize the user's identity
So.. if the "July 2nd tweet" was Trump's, how is the answer to the last two bolded areas above not, well, Trump?
CNN likes power. It doesn't care about freedom of speech.
Isn't it amazing how threatening the individual has so much power.
Will it set a precedent? Will it quiet those who dissent for fear of being made a gross public spectacle, and having their lives ripped apart? Probably.
Oppressive, isn't it. I wonder what petty 3rd world tyrant doesn't admire the effect.
I'm sure North Korea looks at the actions of CNN and finds them entirely admirable.
Step 1- Get out of Facebook and other social trashes, or limit to close friends or family and make everything private
Step 2- Use different names and credentials everywhere
Step 3- Minimize the footprint (ie. refuse to create accounts everywhere)
Step 4- Don't be an ass, but this is only optional because it's supposed to be a free world despite the triggered folks
Always, the draw is the same as the fall: Ego
You would think there was someone in their PR department that would say "Hey, maybe we shouldn't be assholes?"
Another example of abusive moderators...
Insulting CNN is something I'd do in public, on a soapbox, with my real name. The proper response to this kind of threat is to repeat yourself, and louder. Why even care if they "dox" you? No matter how they attempt to spin it, it's going to make them look worse than you. Honestly, it seems really pathetic that they would get this upset over a Reddit post. Must be all that pent-up impotent rage stemming from the fact the MSM is losing all its influence because everybody knows they're full of it at this point (thanks internet) and even the President calls them out.
Does CNN not realize that there is a Constitutional right to troll without facing any consequences? It's right there in Article XII of the Constitution.
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You are welcome on my lawn.
Wow.. I'm so surprised..
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So, CNN has decided internet memes are the hill it wants to die on. Alright then.
CNN did its job. It investigated who put up the video, just like they have done in every other situation. When they found the person, they confronted them and gave them time to explain.
The person, not having the convictions of their actions, agreed to withdraw the video and apologize because, and something not stated in this particular article, he didn't want to bring shame to his family.
As always, he claimed the anti-semitic remarks he regularly posted weren't really who he was, nor was he in any way proud of what he had done.
Of course that's not what he said when the video went up:
After Trump tweeted the video on Sunday, "HanA**holeSolo" took to Reddit to say he was "honored," writing "Holy sâ"!! I wake up and have my morning coffee and who retweets my sâ"post but the MAGA EMPORER himself!!! I am honored!!" MAGA is an acronym for the President's campaign slogan: Make America great again."
After posting his apology, "HanA**holeSolo" called CNN's KFile and confirmed his identity. In the interview, "HanA**holeSolo" sounded nervous about his identity being revealed and asked to not be named out of fear for his personal safety and for the public embarrassment it would bring to him and his family.
Interestingly, moderators removed the entire apology from the sub group after it was posted.
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Kind of amazing that CNN is actually capable of doing investigations on their own. Here I didn't think they had it in them. After all, they've been hammering the Trump Russian Collusion story for MONTH after MONTH with such slim evidence in the face of mounting evidence that their supposed version of the events didn't/couldn't have actually happened....
So, now that Trump Tweets a link to a video, they are going all investigative reporter on some reedit user who actually made the video to amuse his followers? Then, once they find out who it is, go all out threatening some teenager who DARED to poke fun?
You idiots over there at CNN deserve the bad PR that's coming. Keep it up and you guys are going to be out of business as your watchers abandon you in droves...
CNN gets attacked by a petulant president wanting to make them the story. Turns out, that as usual, Trump is ripping somebody off. CNN tracks down the scum behind it. He either sincerely repents, or faked it, in order to get out of what he thought would be trouble.
They decided not to release his identity based on his actions, why would they not point out the contingency of it?
As threats go, it is pretty tenuous, and my criticism is that they decided to withhold the information. Nobody is going to convince a prosecutor to take the case, no matter how much they want to cry about it.
Meanwhile, Thomas Jefferson is getting mauled because Trumpists can't handle the parallels.
From another point of view, CNN was perfectly within its rights to publish the critic's name, as the information is newsworthy, but they protected his/her anonymity. Calling CNN's final disclaimer a "threat" is a matter of perspective (and politics, perhaps)....
When I read this article I was surprised at the tone and how they treated the troll. The attitude of the writer was, "Hey everyone! We finally caught a troll! He acts all big and bad online but once we got his name he was all scared and apologetic. Don't be a scared little troll, be good online or we will find you like we found this troll." I think the writer thought he was doing a public service, but in reality he was being a corporate despot. There are people in power who want to get rid of anonymity on the internet, and the fact is, if The Man really wants to know what you do online, The Man will find out. The thing is, this problem with Russian hacking and talk of fake news is giving The Man more reasons to get rid of anonymity online.
Shameless self promotion, I wrote a cyberpunk novel about this sort of thing called Girl in a Fishbowl
The Moore-Murphy Law: The number of things that will go wrong will double every 2 years.
CNN coerced him to apologize by threatening to dox him, and now is claiming that he called them to apologize first. Check the timestamps and archive links here.
Which has caused a whole big pile of new anti-CNN memes. My favorites are the ISIS apology video ones. example here. And another. Also, this guy showed up. Even the theater in the park got involved.
Looks like pretty much everyone is now piling on. Here is Julian Assange, Donald Trump Jr., the Washington Times.
It is pretty much the only topic now on The_Donald and has numerous threads on /pol/ (warning, NSFL). Front and center on Breitbart News and Drudge.
Oh, and the guy's identity is pretty much out there already, making their threat moot.
See that "Preview" button?
Shouldn't this story get the 'no free speech' icon?
+1 for having stories with multiple topic icons by the way.
There is no standard etiquette for dealing with online trolls. Usually they are self-sequestered online. This time, however, he got retweeted by the president and then gloated online about it. CNN did some simple investigating into public information and found out who he was. He man just be a stupid troll, but it's now a issue of public renown. CNN has every right to publish his identity and let him defend his own statements. Posting online doesn't guarantee complete anonymity. CNN didn't hack anyone. CNN didn't force a company to give up his identity. They found him via public information he put online willingly. Hell, he even gave a phone interview and confirmed it was him. He could have said that it wasn't him.
CNN is only witholding his info, because a small sub-section of society would crush this guy if they could. Not to say he shouldn't be held responsible for his own words (and that responsibility changes with the circumstances), but he shouldn't have his life destroyed. CNN is kind of in a no-win situation. Give him complete anonymity (for what reason?) and he then stabs you in the back in public. Tell people that you didn't give him a deal to give the story and your an extortionist.
Not much they can do. For me, they've done enough. They've talked to the guy behind it. He made his amends and now you move on. Knowing his name doesn't really do anything.
This kind of corporate bullying will not go over well with the people. If a company forces people to choose sides between an individual and a megacorp, people rarely choose the megacorp.
Besides, this whole fake news thing seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding - a language difference depending on your political views.
To the left and those un-involved in labeling anyone as "fake news", "fake news" means just that - news with falsehoods. Provably false stories peddling an agenda. Those are obviously wrong. No one disagrees there.
But to the people who use the term "fake news", it often means more lies of omission than out-right falsehood. Things like doing wall-to-wall coverage of topics like trump tweets, police chases, and interviews with lottery winners rather than what seem like more important issues - war with ISIS, surveillance state legislation (Patriot Act renewals, etc), and details of the latest legislation being rushed through congress before anyone has a chance to read it. These people are arguing that CNN has too many fluff pieces, and it's hard to disagree there too (though fox news is just as guilty - if not more).
Yeah. You would think so. It's incredible how out of touch these jacka$$es are to be on air and gloat as they did.
Karma is biting them on the a$$. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of people.
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so CNN is threatening to dox someone for making critical comments about them?
isn't criticism free speech in America?
what am i missing here?
no one cares what you think... get back to your preferred site: alexjones.com
SNL and Alex Baldwin commit Slander every Saturday. But then again, I'm guessing you didn't bother to consider your asinine logic before typing. Is that you Socky?
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
It's pretty straightforward. Trump tweets the third-party content. CNN sees the content and starts to investigate the source of that content -- just as any news outlet would. They find out that the source of the content was from a Reddit user. They see a ton of other disgusting content that the Reddit user also created. BOOM --
this is a real story... the president is tweeting content from a disgusting internet troll. CNN digs deeper and finds out the identity of the source of that content. The person's identity is very relevant to the story. The reporter contacts the person, tells them that they know who he is and what he did. The troll rightly freaks out, sends a letter of apology, and makes an impassioned plea that he won't do anything like this again if CNN won't publish his name. CNN agrees to conditionally respect that request.
I don't see the issue here, folks. News outlets do this every single day of the week and twice on Sundays. A big part of journalism is digging, finding the story, finding the hidden underbelly... and then deciding what to do with that information. Every news outlet has serious dirt on a lot of people that they don't release. Many times, those people ask the news outlets not reveal their identities. Sometimes the news outlet says yes. Sometimes the news outlet says no.
CNN is not going to release this guy's name -- although they certainly could have as it is pertinent to the story. But the bigger story here is that (yet again), the President does some completely moronic and non-presidential on Twitter.
If the idiotic photograph of the Trump beheading had blurred out Kathy Griffin's face... the news outlets would have (rightly) dug deep to expose who was in the photograph and who took the photograph. I'm sure they would have called her up saying, "We know who you are, we know what you did." I'm sure Kathy Griffin would also made an impassioned plea to that news outlet.
There are consequences in everything you do. If you act like a complete idiot... and it becomes newsworthy... then you'd better watch out. Because a world of hurt is coming down on you.
CNN IS ISIS!
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PS - Bill Clinton is a rapist!
I totally disagree with the actions taken by CNN.
This is a disgusting example of groups or news agencies moving to the new bar that the Trump administration has set.
I will get down voted but it is true. This is an exact action that Trump, and this administration has done. Post or say something we don't like and we will sue / threaten you until you apologize or go away.
I am really upset by this trend and it is why I stay armed.
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First of all, he didn't issue an apology "possibly under fear upon discovering CNN had discovered his identity"; the apology came significantly before CNN found out who he was. The two things aren't related. Secondly, CNN isn't threatening anything in their statement, and in fact they've explicitly stated that they're not going to publish the guy's identity for just posting stupid shit on the internet. The end of their statement is a standard disclaimer protecting them from having the statement used against them should they need to publish his identity because of a future story (for example, if he commits an actual crime or something). Anybody trying to tell you that this is a threat is willfully misrepresenting it to you to fit the narrative they want to present.
A question for lawyerly types - would the hashtag #FraudNewsCNN be viewed in a legal sense as accusing CNN of committing fraud in their news coverage? If so, and if the poster cannot prove fraud, I'd think that could leave the poster (and others who use the hashtag?) open to a slander charge.
Somebody want to tell me again that the only people who look for anonymity on the internet are pedophiles and terrorists?
Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
Bitch about being doxxed
Remember kids, it's only bad if your opponent does it
You might want to take that back because your heroes at the omega-male staffed vox.com seem to be against CNN on this one.
I've blacklisted cnn.com from /etc/hosts and suggest you do the same.
I would be interested in knowing if this qualifies as extortion in a legal manner. On a gut level it most certainly is. But, then again, I'm not an attorney.
Is this one of those things that is classified as untasteful, inelegant, poorly thought through but NOT illegal?
Again, on a personal level I think the guy ought to find out. I'm sure the Federalist Society would be able to help him find an attorney if there is a case.
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So I've heard. CNN is now in the business of threatening 15 year olds?
When you reward behavior like this, it will continue.
I would suspect CNN will use this tactic going forward to silence critics and other opinions CNN doesn't agree with.
Thus, f*ck CNN and their extorsionist ultimatum bullshit.
I don't do ultimatums. I would make another video just out of spite. Their threats be damned.
The bigger news is the Clinton News Network is threatening to disclose a "source" under any circumstances at all. Reporters have gone to jail extensively for content to refuse to disclose sources under ANY circumstances. If CNN were to violate that, it would be a PRECIDENT that could be used IN COURT to force source disclosures later!!
Can you hear me now?
The "threat" came from an off-the-cuff remark by the reporter, it wasn't some official statement from CNN as the submitter falsely implies. The reporter already retracted the statement.
and the germans don't take lightly those gestapo. They'd light up his asshole right royal, befitting han solo since star wars so sucks, and of course the german constitution demands it. The german constitution? Yes, written by the Allies (USA actually) after the SECOND world war they started.
So. In that case Shakespeare in the Park, its corporate sponsors and the National Endowment for the Arts is threatening violence against Trump?
That's a federal crime punishable by years in jail. Is that the punishment that you're recommending for those actors, the director, the producer and the sponsors?
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Has anyone ever bothered to count the number of caricature troll videos, gifs, and pictures that troll political leaders such as GWB, Obama, Clinton, and yes Trump? What's _shocking_ is that CNN actually went out of its way to locate the source of the video. What's next? They're going to intimidate anyone who is going to mock them? I think the result is going to be the opposite of what CNN intended. We're going to see more memes and videos making fun of CNN, the biased news network.
How is it extortion? Seriously? In what way does this fit any legal definition of extortion? And as for free speech - in the USA the toilet paper that is the Constitution only protects your speech from the Gummint - it does not protect you from Corporations - particularly as corporations are recognised as "legal persons". Also, USA law requires under criminal (i.e. not civil) penalty, that the Company's officers maximise return on investment to their Investors - which may be interpreted to include actions like vigorously defending their brand name, lest harming the brand lower the hallowed and almighty share price.
Gummint of the Corporations, for the Corporations. Suck it up snowflake.
Really? Looked like a series of truthful statements to me, no opining over who was right or wrong.
Anyone notice that the guy posted a GIF but the thing I saw people posting on news shows was a video. Including sounds?
Some people have taken a look, and apparently the guy created a gif similar to a video someone else did.
If you're gonna dox, dox the right guy.
Watch Slashdot gobble up the vatnik/Trump propaganda yet again!
The bigger question is, is there an honest prosecutor and just to take and hear the case. This is a bigger problem in an overtly corrupt Government.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Learn English.
Revealing a perps name is NOT doxxing for fuck's sake. Now if you release his phone number, home address, social security number, etc., then yeah, but revealing his name (which they didn't) doesn't qualify, nor does "reserving the right" to publish his name in the future.
apparently freedom of the press includes this now.
It's funny how when the bully's get bullied back, they suddenly don't like it.
This isn't bullying it is blackmail which in many countries is an actual crime. Had CNN just revealed his name as part of a news story you could classify that as bullying (mess with us and suffer the consequences). Where they crossed the line, and arguably committed a crime, is when they threatened to do this unless he continues to do what they want.
This is extortion, plain and simple.
extortion: the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats.
CNN is saying they won't expose him. They're not trying to get anything from him. Even if they did expose his name, that's what they do, they expose information, that's their job. Exposing an American spy would be against the law. Exposing trolls is not. But they're saying they will not expose him. So, no, this is not extortion, and most definitely not a simple case of it.
The only time people cared was when links to dick pics were popping up in comments. Once that stopped, no one cared anymore. Which is what I expect around here.
This does fit the definition of blackmail.
"We have some information about you and it would bad for you if we published it, so do as we say or we will publish it"
It's the same as, say, taking a photo of somebody with a girlfriend and then asking him for money for not showing the photo to his wife.
What you state is correct, but the real tragedy here is that people treat things like this - internet trolls, and even real-life trolls like Trump - as real news.
The more attention Trump gets for the unimportant things he does and says, the less is being paid towards the important things he does or does not do. He's treating this country like a reality TV show, he knows how to push people's buttons. Too bad that isn't his job. People today are manipulated with such ease, even an idiot can do it. It says a lot about the mentality of both sides.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
I'm putting together a group order for 144,000 crates of machetes from Alibaba. Should I put you down for a red one?
Lets not forget CNN talking heads tried to link Trump to anti-******** sentiments when Trump reposted a hilarious video containing himself. Apparently when you repost something your on the hook for everything the poster thinks or says even if none of it is related to referenced content.
CNN only cares about ratings. They don't care about honesty or competence.
If it means becoming the story and drawing attention to noise and hyperventilating about the use of language or dopey shit posted on the Internet they will go there. Whatever rakes in the most views.
A more practical concern is that it would be difficult to sue CNN while keeping the troll's identity secret.
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No, you dipshit, that's not what fiduciary responsibility entails. The way stockholders get rid of leadership that doesn't maximize profits is voting in new leadership. What executives can get in trouble for is embezzlement, cronyism, or otherwise treating the company as their personal piggybank.
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I'd go with, "When CNN gets hit, it hits back 10 times harder."
That should resolve any concerns about their behavior.
So CNN is willing to let their reporters go to jail to protect the anonymity of a source, but if you are critical of CNN they will doxx you. Nice
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
the reaction on here is almost like this forum is full of anonymous cowards who are terrified someone might link the horrible things they say online to their actual person!
Dishes out the anonymous stuff, but can't take it - so typical... Never expect truth from FNN...
we are living in the twilight zone.
See "John Doe" use in court. Not very difficult at all.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
The reason it would be like extortion is because they are using the threat to silence future actions. Now, I don't whether or not it meets the legal threshold, but it's creepy, for sure.
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Harassing creimer? Certainly not! We are expressing our demand for genuine creimer cock eggs that have passed through the big meaty dick of creimer. This is not harassment, this is simple economics. Supply-and-demand, as it were. Since creimer has informed the free market of a supply of cock eggs, demand for cock eggs has been created. And an economic opportunity exists for creimer to start a side business selling cock eggs. Although creimer may want to seek medical advice on which diet is best to induce his kidneys to form a steady supply of kidney stones. Can creimer surpass the world record of 5704 kidney stones passed through a dick?
Internet Troll: I made this really cool meme of Trump beating up CNN, now I am going to post it.
President Trump: This is really funny, I am going to retweet this.
CNN: The President retweeted this, lets find out who did it and interview him.
Internet Troll: OH SHIT! You tracked me down.
CNN: Yeah, we are a news organization, that is what we do.
Internet Troll: Don't publish my name, because my racist internet trolling will ruin my life.
CNN: Okay
How the actual FUCK can this happen in the United States? CNN should be ASHAMED and apologize to HIM!
It we fill the gulags with dissidents the rest of the people will fall in line.
Let me quote some basics, but first chastise you for not performing even a cursory glance at the law and opinions expressed by legal experts. One source of thousands possible.
Most states define extortion as the gaining of property or money by almost any kind of force, or threat of
See item 3.
Extortion is a felony in all states. Blackmail is a form of extortion in which the threat is to expose embarrassing and damaging information to family, friends, or the public. Inherent in this common form of extortion is the threat to expose the details of someone's private lives to the public unless money is exchanged.
This matches my assertion exactly.
Another common extortion crime is offering "protection" to a businessman to keep his business safe from burglary or vandalism. For example, Dan goes to Victor's place of business and demands monthly payment from Victor for the business's "protection" from vandalism and after-hours theft. Fearing that he or his business will suffer harm otherwise, Victor agrees to pay Dan.
This exactly matches my assertion as well.
Extortion can take place over the telephone, via mail, text, email or other computer or wireless communication. If any method of interstate commerce is used in the extortion, it can be a federal crime.
They published their threat on-line in numerous places for public display.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Then why is it repeated on CNN's page? http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07...
Technically, it is a play about a Roman Emperor (Cesar) with a re-imagination into modern times/politics. The "Trump" character isn't actually "Trump", but is a thinly veiled facsimile. It is "art", while everyone knows who it is supposed to be, there is plausible deniability. That being said, taking the play the way they did IMHO voids whatever license they had creatively. And imagine the outcry had that been Obama. The hypocritical double standard is illuminating.
You could even say the same thing about Kathy Griffins severed head (Creative License). Again, had this been a Conservative and Obama, I'm sure there would be actual Jail time involved.
The biggest problem is, we have a legal system that is basically sitting there waiting for something bad to happen (like shooting a bunch of Republicans playing softball) and people excusing the huge uptick in uncivilized "Because the republicans did it too". The whole "Two Wrongs makes it right" crap needs to just stop.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Making a gif of the CNN logo being wrestled is in no way the same thing as threatening violence.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
/me keeps looking...
Harassing creimer? Certainly not!
I supposed that posting dick pics with my name, email address, website URLs and my disembodied head on Russian websites was "free advertising"?
The real cure for your ignorance would be to read.
Extortion Statutes
Virtually all extortion statutes require that a threat must be made to the person or property of the victim. Threats to harm the victim's friends or relatives may also be included. It is not necessary for a threat to involve physical injury. It may be sufficient to threaten to accuse another person of a crime or to expose a secret that would result in public embarrassment or ridicule. The threat does not have to relate to an unlawful act. (last emphasis mine)
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
The free sampler was hot and sticky and effective. Do you sell to sperm banks and I want to buy a tube full of your jiz.
Follow this (probably ill-conceived) logic:
The easiest thing for CNN to do would have been to ignore it. Now a publicly traded company is threatening minors over a dumb meme. People will lose their jobs. Also, someone will find this kid and ruin is life, just because.
"Who are you?" "No one of consequence." "I must know." "Get used to disappointment."
Extortion would be: "If you make any further comments, we will report your name. Don't do this if you don't want your name reported."
That's not what happened. They merely said they have the right / ability to name this guy should he do any other actions.
People made their own assumptions, and cnn isn't responsible for people imaginations and crazy conspiracy theories.
This is as opposed to actual doxxing and harassment by the special snowflakes over at places like r/t_d, breitbart and infowars - Bowling green, pizzagate, seth rich, trump endorsing obama assassination, armed violence and insurrection, violence against the media, etc.
I find it interesting that CNN felt it necessary to track down this person and extract an apology over speech they deemed offensive to their brand, and played the victim card to cover what amounts to petty retribution. It would seem that they are already at their limit in how much they can negatively affect Trump, therefore they will attempt to use their influence over someone more vulnerable.
CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.
Just in case there was any doubt as to the kind of reputable news organization you actually are, CNN. I appreciate that.
That sounds like a threat to me. Doxx him boys!
Fuck you and I mean that most sincerely!
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"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Like the performance in 2012 in Minneapolis of Julius Caesar with an Obama-lookalike in the title role? The one which generated not one shred of misplaced outrage? That one? The one that had the exact same corporate sponsor that just pulled funding from the Trumpesque one? And yet not a single demonstration, not a single national story, not a single interrupted performance? There's hypocrisy here, kiddo, but not where you think it is.
Do you want a lot of CNN getting punched GIFs? Because that's how you get a lot of CNN getting punched GIFs.
I don't get why the dude is humiliated if he's revealed? He posted what he thinks clearly.
Some will agree, some won't.
More specifically, it is blackmail.
Blackmail is an act, often a crime, involving unjustified threats to make a gain (commonly money or property) or cause loss to another unless a demand is met.[1][2] Essentially, it is coercion involving threats to reveal substantially true or false information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates, or threats of physical harm or criminal prosecution
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Glad I could help.
Getting tired of the blatantly politic posts by partisans on both sides at Slashdot. Slashdot is not a political site.
Is there a way to block or hide posts from "submitters?" Because I'm fucking tired of this bullshit.
So in other words, if someone *wants* to have their identity exposed for attacking CNN, all they have to do is attack CNN a little more. That should work nicely for CNN...
Why is this tagged "Republicans"? Is CNN really Republicans?
Society seems on its head right now.
The article about sounds like CNN is run like an activist organisation, like Moveon and Getup.
The ironic thing is 1 billionaire owns all 3 and many, many more.
So at which point do we all get up and say enoughs enough.
What if the following happened:
Suppose Trump intimidated CNN into withdrawing every bad thing they ever said about him, got a grovelling apology out of CNN, and then Trump publicly announced that he would be keeping an eye on them (presumably for years to come) and would expose the personal info of their employees if they ever crossed him again?
Remember: in this modern age we all live in, dumping personal info on people into the public after juicing-up your supporters to hate that person is very close to threatening to have thugs thshow up and harm that person (just look at the Bernie supporter who shot-up the congressional Republicans playing baseball, or the Hillary supporter who murdered the NYC cop yesterday)
Would you or CNN be upset at Trump if he did this??? hmmmmmm?
It would be one thing if the dude apologized to CNN and they accepted the apology... they could have reported that the guy who made the video took it down and apologized with no mention of his name and no need to go further with the story. CNN however took it a step too far saying they knew who he was and would keep his name private but would keep an eye on him and out him in the future at their discretion (like a "Godfather" style mob boss... "I'll keep an eye on you and if you get out of line, Big Tony will pay you a little visit...capisci?")
... in the ass with Melania Tramp's strap-on, but CNN is a piece of shit for threatening to dox the guy.
The creator of the gif should sue CNN for lack of humour.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Technically, it is a play about a Roman Emperor (Cesar) with a re-imagination into modern times/politics.
Oh noes, the horrors! They practically ripped off Shakespeare!
The "Trump" character isn't actually "Trump", but is a thinly veiled facsimile.
Oh wait, I saw that almost 30 years ago
It is "art", while everyone knows who it is supposed to be, there is plausible deniability. That being said, taking the play the way they did IMHO voids whatever license they had creatively.
Oh, I didn't know that the right to free speech had a voidable license. Exactly where is this written? Be precise. Let's know what the terms and conditions are.
And imagine the outcry had that been Obama. The hypocritical double standard is illuminating
Yes, you'd be saying that it was entirely appropriate and a sound creative decision, which you supported their right to make, completely and utterly, without question or criticism.
But make fun of Der Grumpenfumer, and you're suddenly aghast.
You could even say the same thing about Kathy Griffins severed head (Creative License). Again, had this been a Conservative and Obama, I'm sure there would be actual Jail time involved.
Yep, you were sure upset over the Games of Thrones head thing, even though the actual character was one of the good-guys, if not much beloved, being a stern disciplinarian type. You raged and demanded its removal, and claimed it would be unacceptable if it was Obama at the time. I remember.
Of course, the fact that if it HAD been a Summer Islander, it'd have been inappropriate, since last I checked, Jalabhar Xho was still alive. They did, however, make Xaro Xhoan Daxos into a black guy, and kill him, so I suppose you should be happy.
The biggest problem is, we have a legal system that is basically sitting there waiting for something bad to happen (like shooting a bunch of Republicans playing softball) and people excusing the huge uptick in uncivilized "Because the republicans did it too".
Well, not only are you implicitly suggesting people be punished BEFORE they actually do anything illegal, you are failing to realize that the problem is you need to clear out the log in your own eyes.
But I forget, you can't even admit to being a Republican stalwart, but have to pretend to be an independent. Who is utterly incapable of criticizing a Republican at all.
The whole "Two Wrongs makes it right" crap needs to just stop.
Lots of crap needs to stop. Will you stop your own share? Just a little?
Citation needed
Because hate mobs will harass you, your family, and your job until you are destitute.
The ladder you need to reach the moral high ground is at Comet Ping Pong. Good luck getting it back.
CNN has no privacy agreement or obligation to keep this person's ID private. Inasmuch as this person has caused a media event thanks to their creative editing, they have made themselves into a newsworthy subject and thus CNN Is well within norms of journalism to reveal who it is.
For that matter, so is any other part of the media. If any of them also have the identity, then there is ground to attempt to interview them as part of a news story.
TL;DR version: this person has no expectation of privacy thanks to a news event they helped create. If you want privacy, don't do shit like this or at least be better at hiding who the fuck you are.
Sig for hire.
See "John Doe" use in court. Not very difficult at all.
John Doe is the defendant. Not the plaintiff. You are allowed to sue anonymous people (though it's almost always supposed to be with the aim of finding out who they are later). That does not give you the right to sue whilst hiding your identity because the defendant in a court in any civilised country, which in this particular case includes the USA, has the right to know who his accuser is.
it's infowars.com retard.
This is the CNN that has repeatedly attacked and slimed Trump for over a year largely using anonymous sources (which may not even exist), employed the "comedianne" who showed a pic of herself with a bloddy severed Trump head, and whose parent company partially funded (and celebrated) the nightly mock-murder of Trump in the park.
The network is apparently so full of progressives that they are in total group-think mode and, being progressives, are completely flabbergasted and confused by the election of Trump. Like mnay progressives, they do not even know ANYBODY who would have voted for Trump (or they are so obnoxious in their political rantings that the Trump supporters in their midsts keep their politics to themselves to avoid the toxicity of the progressive blowback). Being so elitist and disconnected from America, they connot even imagine why anybody other than a knuckle-dragging drooling inbred would like Trump and vote for him. As a result, CNN's staff have gone completely bonkers insane and cannot even imagine that ANYTHING they do against Trump or anybody they think of as a Trump supporter could possibly be anything other than perfectly fine. Result: Absolutely NO self-reflection, introspection, etc (and a possible serious criminal charge - what they did is a rather blatant violation of laws in both New York and Georgia).
This video maker sounds like he's not so much of a Trump supporter as just a young-ish internet user who has a history of his own less-than-guarded rants and who decided to make a video he himself found amusing... and he was a suprised as anybody that somebody brought it to Trump's attantion and that Trump re-tweeted it like many of us do with stuff we find funny/amusing. If the new standard is that gobalist megacorporations can hang doxxing over the head of any such person, possibly for the rest of his life, if he ever makes a humorous political cartoon against them then we are headed into dark times ahead, and it's not some right-winger doing this - it's a "progressive" company that favors, and is favored by, the left.
I was going to get you a present, but you are already getting what you richly deserve.
The same suggestion you make should be taken to heart by you.
CNN didn't speak to hanassholesolo until AFTER the apology was made and all posting history was deleted. There can be no extortion if no threat was made and no "consideration" to CNN was made. CNN gained nothing by with holding his name, they did so only after he begged CNN not to include his real name and told them he'd already appoligized and deleted his prior posts. CNN agreed to withold his name, but did not make a promise to do so in the future if he remains in the news.
There was no extortion unless you distort the facts. Frankly I'm happy we've finally reached a point where news sources don't automatically name people posting anonymous comments, it's a MAJOR stepup from what would have happened even a year ago. A year ago every TV network in the world would have camped on the guys front lawn trying to get comments.
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Trump is driving some people so insane that they are exposeing their innermost selves... like the nuke bomb worshipping mutants in that old movie who look human but then peel off their rubber faces to reveal what's beneath. Like him or not, Trump is proving to be an amazing combination of a Rorschach test and a shibboleth - people's reactions to him (all across the political spectrum) are quite enlightening.
incidentally - some people seem unaware that Rod Serling was involved in the Planet of the Apes (so we're partly in agreement about the flavor of the political moment)
CNN has outed themselves. They report fake junk with made-up (supposedly anonymous but probably non-existent) sources. Their on-air psycho analysis of Trump over the past year in which they have claimed Trump has some sort of mental issues which are exposed by his "thin skin" is now laid out for all to see as bizarre given their own thin-skinned abuse of the guy who made the GIF.
Certainly
Not
News
James Earl Jones should be glad his dignified voice is no longer so strongly associated with this rotten corpse of a former news outlet.
Kinda sounds like Trump's method of dealing with issues he doesn't like.
Not saying it's right.. but that's what our leadership has resorted to.
"Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
[citation provided]
The best way to defuse this is for the meme-author to step up and say he published it.
CNN only has power here because he is letting them set the terms. At any point he can take that power back and make them look like assholes in the process.
For consistency's sake, yes. Lock them up, lock CNN up, lock HanAssholeSolo up. For great justice. For freedom.
This is extortion, plain and simple.
The law, so simple a whining babyman can yell about it.
The people making the threats should be charged for extortion. The people pushing the story line and maintaining employment of criminal actors should be charged with conspiracy. The victim of this extortion should sue the parent company for a tremendous amount of damages, and win considering this company is sponsoring extortionists who are openly violating the individual's liberties.
Good idea, prosecutions for those who offend you! Get the advertisers and guests as well! They must be ruthlessly suppressed! They are enemies of the people! No amount of persecution will be enough for them!
I say this fully realizing that what should happen by law does not always happen.
But do you say it realizing what a pointless bit of grandstanding you are engaged in?
CNN has been spreading lies and propaganda since at least the first Gulf war. This is one arm of the US Pravda I have no problem watching burn down.
Yes, yes, Comrade, CNN is your enemy, you are at war with them, they dare to defy Glorious Leader. You will suppress their counter-revolutionary tendencies!
It's a middle-aged man, not a minor. You are irresponsible for spreading rumors otherwise.
"To people who troll on the Internet for fun, consider your words and actions conveyed in your message and who it might upset or anger," he wrote. "Put yourself in their shoes before you post it. If you have a problem with trolling it is an addiction just like any other addiction someone can have to something and don't be embarrassed to ask for help. Trolling is nothing more than bullying a wide audience. Don't feed your own self-worth based upon inflicting suffering upon others online just because you are behind a keyboard."
So... It's okay for the Mainstream Media bullies people, but it's not okay for people to bully the Mainstream Media.
Got it.
I guess CNN has their panties in a knot because FoxNews is more reliable than they are. (That's saying something.)
When politicians are involved, everyone loses.
CNN is not publishing "HanA**holeSolo's" name because he is a private citizen who has issued an extensive statement of apology, showed his remorse by saying he has taken down all his offending posts, and because he said he is not going to repeat this ugly behavior on social media again. In addition, he said his statement could serve as an example to others not to do the same.
CNN reserves the right to publish his identity should any of that change.
Emphasis mine. I take this to mean that CNN is now policing social media and will expose anonymous sources of political speech that they deem offensive. The only reason why this guy is news is because they wanted to put him there, under the laughable pretense that this animation encourages violence against reporters.
The guy has been advocating for violence against minorities. His identity should have been revealed. And CNN didn't do anything special since any idiot could have done the same, all his information is public
If it wasn't obvious that CNN was deep with the status quo, it should be clear to everyone - when agreeing with CNN puts you in a very small minority.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
This had nothing to do with dissing trump. He disses himself quite well without any help.
Citation needed. Please
Purely in the interest of fairness, there are archives from Reddit of his account that indicate that he's at least 27 and more likely 30-something, if the comments are to be believed. I don't know where that rumor started, but I prefer when people back that with facts and there are enough damning facts for CNN as is without adding items that cannot be proven to the mix.
In the end, CNN massively over-reacted to a silly picture here and I don't think the age of the person is all that relevant with respect to their threats, only with respect to a few of the statutes that require a minor.
> CNN didn't speak to hanassholesolo until AFTER the apology was made and all posting history was deleted.
CNN's own damned tweets contradict that. Many images abound of this with archive.is links that can be verified.
Eat a dick cuck boy.
You deserve it. You post affiliate links on slashdot trying to monetize our discussions. Fuck off and go somewhere else with that bullshit. Your gig is up. It won't work around here.
Not to mention how you overly are obsessed with yourself and life story. No. One. Gives. A. Shit. And that doesn't count the many times you fed the trolls. You wrote a script for Christ sakes to check whenever your name pops up on slashdot. How pathetic are you.
You are now APK. Enjoy his reputation. Because you deserve it.
Some of us even doubt your skills.
Fair enough, and you know what? I agree with you 100% on that point.
I am confident that POTUS using something so juvenile speaks volumes about his unfitness for office, and his implied (non-violent) threat to the media cements that as an absolute certainty.
As for the original creator, and the use of that animated gif? Absolutely nothing wrong with it, and the characterisation of "threat of violence", unless it was accompanied by text with a specific actual threat, is both wrong and little more than pathetic histrionics.
Their family tree is a wreath... Living proof why first cousins should not marry.
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Hello me, meet the real me!
Extortion is a felony in all states. Blackmail is a form of extortion in which the threat is to expose embarrassing and damaging information to family, friends, or the public. Inherent in this common form of extortion is the threat to expose the details of someone's private lives to the public unless money is exchanged.
This matches my assertion exactly.
I wasn't aware that CNN was demanding money from the dude. Did I miss something?
You missed a crtical part. That "minor" is Donald J Trump.
CNN appears to be giving veiled threats at a Reddit user who posted critical comments about the media giant.
Please explain how CNN's threat was 'veiled'? It seems pretty overt in my opinion.
Ken
Follow this (probably ill-conceived) logic:
I propose a new internet law. If someone uses "By some accounts" in their post it is automatically declared fake.
By some accounts, he is also a Saint, and the messiah. See how it works. Now people can quote my account and say "By some accounts"...
The reality is that he is most likely a middle aged man as reliable sources have said.
The creator is a middle-aged man who shitposts racist hatemongeringv all over reddit.
Sorry kiddo. Maybe next time.
While it's true that we all have the right to record and expose conversation, we don't have the right to threaten people _not_ to release that information to get what we want.
Perhaps redundant, but for clarity: If I record you saying "those N words drive me crazy!" I can surely release that to the public and expose you and your statement. I can not however threaten to release that information unless you do something I wish.
TV lawyers often interpret blackmail as a for cash or property issue, which it is not. A much more nefarious use of blackmail is to change someone's behavior. Journalist investigating someone, someone investigates journalist and finds dirt, uses that dirt to get the journalist to drop the investigation. Police investigating someone, someone investigates an officer and finds dirt, uses dirt to get the police to drop the case. Politician discusses putting forth a law or regulation that someone dislikes, person digs up dirt, uses dirt to get the politician to drop the law or regulation.
Surely the statutes differ from State to State, but CNN in this case has vocalized and written the case for a prosecutor. They openly admit that revealing the author of the GIF's name would expose them to harm. They then stated that they reserve the right to expose the name if the person does something they feel goes against the apology.
The only part that is circumstantial is whether or not CNN coerced the apology from the person. Given the time line and rhetoric from CNN, a jury may likely side against CNN.
FWIW, I am not a lawyer. I can read, and do study law and opinion, but that does not make me a lawyer. I have heard numerous legal opinions over the last 2 days which at least give the basis for a case.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
CNN justexposed it self as the self proclaimed political police we already know they are.
CNN in true colors or what?
You know what? I am tired of linking it all over the place....... /u/HansAssholeSolo deleted everything already, CNN claims he is a racist, and on an anonymous site they somehow magically find out who he is;
https://www.slashgear.com/reddit-revolts-after-ceo-admits-to-secretly-editing-user-posts-25465390/
PROVE HE WAS A RACIST. Go ahead, people who aren't well below retarded will wait......
SNL makes fun of the President, first lady, his staff, his staff, and all the people that support him. By name, individually. They do so with mocking, satire, and people doctored up with makeup and lights.
Guy makes a GIF based on 20 year old footage, and it's moral outrage from those same people.
F&*king hypocritical don't ya think? Of course not, that doesn't fit the agenda you were fed.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
This happens over and over. Trump does something absolutely reprehensible and indefensible, but one of the accusers did something slightly wrong, and Trump and all his lackeys start obsessing over the minor misdeed so that people stop talking about Trump's problem.
Trump spends months going after Muslims and Mexicans and is greeted with joy by white supremacists. Then Clinton (fairly accurately) calls about half of his supporters deplorable and gets pilloried by the right for stereotyping.
Trump is accused of multiple sexual assaults and rapes, so starts talking about Clinton's husband's misdeeds.
Comey testifies how Trump tried to extract a loyalty pledge from him and asked him to stop investigating Flynn, so Trump and allies start talking about the non-issue of Comey leaking his own private memos to a newspaper.
Now Trump is again caught repeating stuff that originated with racists, and so obligingly everyone is throwing up the smokescreen of the circumstances under which the racist apologized.
It doesn't matter.
Trump, once again, is repeating information that started out with some pretty reprehensible racists. If your buddy starts repeating a bunch of Hitler quotes your response shouldn't be "well he's not repeating the nasty stuff about Jews so I guess it's fine", you should be "WFT? Has he been talking to NAZIs? What's he got into his head that he's smart enough not to repeat to me?!?"
If you're an American then far-right extremists are among your President's biggest influences, this is the thing that should concern you.
I stole this Sig
Why would the guy be so freaked out about others finding out his real identity and the fact that he created the video? I wonder how much of this "update" is fake news... I just don't get it. If you make a video and then talk about it to the extent that it can be linked back to you... why would you then become ashamed of the video? This is his chance to become the next dildo that travels the talk show circuit grating everyone the wrong way. e.g. Milo Vweriuwoeifuwoeifuwoeiuoweiufwoiuwoeufowieufoweoewhatever.
Get real. No reddit meme author is doing anything but shitposting marginally funny videos. I saw the Trump video in question and it was way more stupid than violent, it's not advocating anything - remember that most of them are not advocating anything, they are metaphors for THINGS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
there is like 40% of the population that seem to be beyond any hope of carrying on a rational conversation
They are the ones waiting patiently for a rational conversation to start, instead of this.
How can you have a rational conversation with someone willing to lie, cheat and steal whenever necessary to advance personal agendas? And here i do not speak of Hilary alone, but of the Democratic party in general - as Sanders well knows...
Why would you back an crazed egotistical warmonger like Hillary? There's the real missing rationality we need to be looking for. What kind of mass delusion led to her even coming close to being nominated, even with obvious DNC rigging factored in? She was literally the only candidate on the planet that could have lost to Trump, yet she was pre-ordained... THAT is insane.
The really funny thing is, the same game continues with you and others in full support. Yet you call people who did not like Hillary irrational... The rest of use, libertarian and conservative and frankly even a lot of liberals look on in astonishment as even now you double down on crazy being your winning horse. All I can say is, enjoy Trump's second term as best you can...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
" has the right to know who his accuser is."
Except when women are doing the accusing vs a mmmmaaallllllleeeeee.
Apparently you didn't read his other posts about shooting reporters, blowing up muslims, and shooting blacks and jews.
How can you have a rational conversation with someone willing to lie, cheat and steal whenever necessary to advance personal agendas?
Good question, how do people have a conversation with Trump anyway?
The Chinese Premier is probably wondering that, for example. And Macron, and Merkel. Even May, and she so desperately wanted to be a suck-up.
Why would you back an crazed egotistical warmonger like Hillary?
Why would I try to have a rational conversation with somebody who claims that?
It's like you live in your own little bubble.
There's the real missing rationality we need to be looking for.
Good idea, keep looking, I'm sure you can find your lost rationality. I hear they bear a passing resemblance to marbles.
She was literally the only candidate on the planet that could have lost to Trump, yet she was pre-ordained... THAT is insane.
We had over a dozen people already lose to Trump. Given the flawed system that is the Electoral College, anybody who thought that it would be anything but one of the two major party candidates who was going to win was foolish, if not irrational. And given the margins, a rainstorm could have flipped it.
What's insane though, is claiming a landslide victory. When you can't even be honest about the nature of something, that does discourage rational conversation. Not to mention the still unsupported claims of Fraud. And picking an idiot like Kobach? He's already mishandled the situation enough to piss off over forty states.
Maybe you should think about that, for a bit. See if you can realize how much of an impediment to conversation all the people who mistakenly champion the Electoral College as some sort of bulwark against high population states. Or how claiming widespread fraud of millions of voters without evidence destroys confidence in the elections.
No? You're just going to go on lambasting Hillary Clinton? Yeah, you don't want to have a rational conversation about anything regarding her. You can't. I suggest you learn to avoid the subject.
With people who have a registered trademark using their registered trademark.
You supposed it? When? Past participles too much for your tiny brain to handle?
Firstly... all they do is publish fake news...
secondly they threaten minors!
Great post on Reddit explaining how you can complain not just to the direct CNN advertisers, but the sources of deeper revenue...
"go for the ad exchange and behavioral revenue"
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Someone should drag these idiots behind a building and beat the living shit out of them.
Operation Autism Storm has started...
Looks like half weak sauce "meme war" trolling, and some actually harassing/doxxing of CNN employees is happening.
KFile dudes should know better than to threaten to doxx in public, that's guaranteed to rile the trolls.
Apparently you didn't read where lots were posted - Imgoingtohellforthis is for dark tasteless humor, not for anything anyone takes seriously.
They were not wonderful thoughts no and I don't even consider them funny but all of that pales in the face of a huge corporation targeting him specifically because he made them look goofy in a GIF (that wasn't even what Trump re-tweeted!!).
Even if HanAssholeSolo were literally Hitler instead of a guy with poor taste it wouldn't matter, what CNN did by threatening him was inherently wrong and - I'm going to say it - Evil. A Mustache-Twirling level of evil.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
See "John Doe" use in court. Not very difficult at all.
John Doe is when the accuser is holding back on naming the defendant, not the other way around, and the purpose is not to hide identity but to initiate the process before some kind of deadline occurs (such as a statute of limitation). It's usually because the actual defendant is not yet known (is it the CEO? the CFO? etc), and by the time it gets to court if this is still a John Doe the case is dismissed.
In other words, clearly YANAL.
lucm, indeed.
He's over 30 years old. The "15" was a rumor started early on based on some of the childish posts he'd made.
Because the guy was withdrawing from public discourse, he becomes a private citizen, so CNN policy against publishing such names comes into play. If he begins publishing again, he becomes a public figure and is newsworthy. It's not a threat so much as a statement of fact -- because he is withdrawing, he gets to claim privacy as a private citizen.
I use my real name in everything so fuck you. Does the C stand for China now? A man can't photoshop shit no more? Also, this whole thing can be a scam. The guy could be CNN himself to prevent future photoshopping.
under threat of public humiliation
Given the amount of anti-Trump violence in the US, the threat was of something more than just public humiliation.
If CNN revealed this guy's address to the hordes of leftist terrorists it has radicalized itself, they would be taking out a contract for murder. A later CNN statement admits as much.
I didn't read his posts, but if they are indeed unlawful, CNN should just warn the authorities about this guy, and leave it at that. There's no need for public exposure, especially not in this heated atmosphere where some idiot with a gun may decide to fix the problem for themselves.
Why are anti-semitic remarks bad? Because it makes Jews fearful for their safety or even their lives.
If you fight fire with fire and try to coerce anti-semites into stopping by making them fearful, you're essentially validating their methodology of putting fear into the hearts of Jews.
Remember, the goal here isn't a world without Jews fearful of anti-semites. It's a world where nobody has to be fearful regardless of their race, gender, preferences, or beliefs (political, religious, operating system, etc). Shaming anti-semites (or people who are anti-anything) into compliance doesn't get you to that goal. It just pushes the fear onto a different group (anti-semites), who then sees your choice to make them fearful as moral vindication that it's ok for them to make others (e.g. Jews) fearful. And the problem comes full circle. Only now instead of just one side using fear tactics, both sides are. Congratulations - you've increased the amount of fear in the world, not decreased it.
The reason it's called the moral high ground is because it's easy to fall off it. And that's what CNN did - fell off.
It's a freaking gif, man.
A freaking gif in a country where openly talking about killing the president on facebook is kosher and considered funny.
A freaking gif, in a country where the far left, including journalists and university and college teachers routinely talk about "punching nazis" being great, and where the definition of "nazi" has become so far removed from the original thing that anyone guilty of a few disagreeable tweets becomes one.
CNN's behaviour is, at the very best, "not technically illegal".
His speech is free and protected, he can say whatever he likes. At present he has no right to anonymity and CNN are reminding him, and all trolls, using this example, that their unattributed free speech can become attributed free speech real fast. Free speech doesn't mean consequence free speech. Speech has power, and should remain free, but use of that power has consequences, you can change minds, policies and even governments with speech, you can inspire, offend or pacify as you wish. Currently, you don't have the right to speak and impact the world, to deliver consequence unto others free of societies judgement, just free of the laws judgement. And that's as it should be, free speech should be a dialogue, not a monologue. terrorists, dictators and supervillains monologue, democracies debate.
Corporations are people in Capitamerica, comrade.
So CNN didn't contact him until after he apologized and begged them not to release his name? How does this timeline of events make any sense to you?
A video advocating violence against a news organisation from the head of the executive branch is highly problematic. I just don't see why it would matter who created the video originally. Who cares what memes a random Reddit user creates, and what his identity is? The real problem here is the President, and his identity is already known.
Worse, they stated that exposing him would probably result in violence against him. Then they said they would expose him if he didn't shut up. Thus, "Shut up or we'll hurt you".
It doesn't matter what he said, a news organization threatened violence in order to silence him. That is wrong on so many levels that however big a dick he is it pales in comparison.
known to work and world I would have put his name front and center.
You seem very fixed on this person's age. You also offer nothing to back up your claim about his age except "by some accounts". Your account? Bull shit.
So much fail ...
The guy is not 15 years old. He is a military veteran.
The guy did not just "release comments critical of CNN'. He constantly spews racist garbage about killing off Jews, Muslims, n*****s, etc. He is a racist piece of human filth that deserves no consideration.
CNN reporters have been getting death threats from idiots like this because of Trump idiots. Yet CNN still did not release his info. I wish they would so he'd have to eat his words.
CNN should have ignored the information. Someone poked fun at their biased reporting and CNN responded by announcing to the world that they were willing to trample on the rights of a private citizen in an apparent attempt to protect their brand image. If they get any amount of public support or brand image boost from this move I will be shocked.
Not only is what they did legally questionable(looks like extortion to me,) but it isn't even close to good PR. Whoever said heads will roll at CNN over this is right.
It's been a while since a Slashdot comment made me laugh out loud!
And "possibly under fear OF discovering" not "upon discovering".
What is it with you Americans and prepositions? Idiots.
CNN and its globalist elitist socialists behaving like Chinese Communists, Stalinists or Nazis!
What happened to the 1st amendment? Not for CNN, they are above the Constitution?
Any big Lawyer firm in DC or Atlanta, to tie them up in litigation for decades? I wish I had the money to do that for that kid and bankrupt those creeps!
So confused....
So basically, posting satire leads a MSM news outlet who has repeatedly been caught in questionable behaviors to threaten a private citizen?
CNN threatening to reveal the private identity of someone in a situation like this, would be understood to endanger that person. It would direct ire, almost assuredly leading to his harassment, but potentially also putting the man's, and any family member's, well-being in jeopardy.
That could well be argued a criminal offense.
This is felony extortion. Simple as that. You want to see if we still have justice for all? Watch and see what happens. I suspect it's, "justice for goys and none for us."
I can't tell if you're trolling or not, but that's not what Citizens United said.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
Commies, using same methods all over the globe.
For the record, I don't watch the news. But this, is dbaggery. Now, CNN and Trump can fight it out and hopefully both of them are immolated.
... you say or do is published around the world. Here is the troll himself calling for the doxxing of someone. https://i.imgur.com/Pt1nrGZ.pn...
It really doesn't matter if the reddit clown got threatened or not in the legal sense at this point. It doesn't matter that this clown had a long history of shitposting on the internet. It doesn't even matter that the poor cockroach nearly got outed by CNN.
What CNN did to this troll *and bragged about it publicly* was incredibly stupid. Lighting a dumpster fire in that particularly dark neighborhood of the internet, to find one rat, tends to piss off all the other rats that live there. The problem for CNN is this: Now all of those angry rats are going to stop rattle-canning random dicks-in-butts on the brickwork and refocus their considerable talent at tormenting people onto a Mainstream Media Organization.
After all the crap flinging CNN has done recently, and the revelations about their extremely cynical view of journalistic ethics... I can't say I have much sympathy for them. They didn't just piss off all the trolls. They pissed off pretty much everyone in alt-media, across the entire political spectrum.
It would not surprise me in the least to learn that Trump had a pretty good idea that something like this would happen when that meme got retweeted on his Twitter.
Yeah, he was posting about how reports should be murdered and how members of other groups should be murdered.
Why the fuck is this being twisted in to CNN beating up on some poor little FREE SPEACH!!!! advocate?
No, CNN isn't demanding anything. Some guy behaved in an asshole manner, and didn't want to be identified. (Historical note: to the best of my knowledge, this sort of thing has always happened when attacking media.) CNN has a perfect right to identify the author, and the guy stopped being a public asshole. CNN is not asking for any goods or services or money, which would be illegal. CNN has an agreement with the guy, and will assume that it's all off if the guy breaks it.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
You missed one thing: "Most states define extortion as the gaining of property or money by almost any kind of force, or threat of". You make a good case that CNN would be committing extortion if they were asking for money or property or services or something like that. They aren't.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I've read that the theater company did indeed use Obama before Trump was sworn in. Nobody thought it was a big deal.
Empirically false. I saw comparable images of Obama that were never prosecuted. Killing politicians in effigy is an old tradition.
The difference here is that a certain President has this idea that people should automatically respect him, an idea I consider anti-American. He wants special treatment that other Presidents didn't even ask for.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
You don't think the media is incestuous?
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Talk about an echo chamber
This is a freedom of speech thing. I find the post mildly humorous, yet silly. Yet, I get the message.
The poster has the right to post any non-slanderous content desired.
While the constitution does (guarantee) this right, his/her identity was never intended to be unknown.
Back when the constitution was written, true honesty and pride ruled society.
Things have changed in today's technologically armed society; and laws need to catch-up.
(There are lots of ignorant, uneducated, immature citizens out there;
thanks to 800-pound gorilla twisted capitalistic corporations.
And I digress from there.)
Slanderous content must be punished. Non-slanderous content should not matter. Educated citizens can see through crap.
In either case, the ability to accurately identify the poster seems appropriate.
Let the posting entity beware!
Of greater importance, the obvious point of the post does, in fact, point to a supremely important topic: corrupt leaders!
Trump is getting away with way too much crap. We need to step up and expose the crimes and make the fixes - as a nation!
Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.
While there are many good arguments here for and against CNN's actions, it seems to me that most posters are missing the real issue with the situation (some touched on it).
The real problem here is that the video involves CNN directly, and therefore they cannot be (or appear to be) impartial while reporting on this. No matter how you look at it, them digging into this particular case will always seem like they are retaliating against something that upset them. If this was another news outlet that had done all this none of us would even be talking about it because the video depicts the CNN logo.
What CNN is basically saying is, "Our reputation is too fragile to withstand some videos posted on the internet, so we have to attack those guys".
Kind of reminds me of how certain religions get called violent, and those people get so upset they start killing people.
The fact that a lot of people are EXPLAINING here how LEGAL this is should be a good indicator of how desperate CNN is. The three journalists who resigned over how utterly false their network circus is just another data point.
Desperate moves and going after people who are posting comments CNN doesn't like are not going to win friends for CNN.
What is "it" that you are talking about? No where at your provided link does it say anything about him being a 15 year old.
"Hi, I have pictures that prove you have a "girl on the side", do you want me to show them to your wife? No? OK, then please stop writing or saying anything negative about Russia or your wife will receive the pictures."
Demanding not to do (or stop doing) something is the same as demanding to do something.
CNN acknowledged that identifying the guy may put him in danger (or rather said that they did not identify him because he apologized and out of concern for his safety). Then saying that they may still choose to identify him if he behaves in a way that CNN does not like. So, they pretty much threatened him with bodily and/or financial harm if he stops being sorry or misbehaves.
All because he put a CNN logo on a pro wrestling video.
Then again, maybe CNN really liked that video so much that they wanted more videos like it. In that case, they succeeded.
Now that CNN has (mistakenly) reacted in a public manner, there will be more. Good luck, CNN, tracking everyone down--oh and I hope Anonymous doesn't become interested, too, because that's going to be a challenge for you. Granted, I understand why CNN is upset, due to the context and ramifications of this moronic video, when a corporate giant like that begins threatening private citizens, they are seriously asking for more as a moving target.
One case proves your point wrong: Roe v Wade.
Anonymity for plaintiffs or defendants can be maintained using Doe, Roe, etc. and protective orders from the courts.
There's an interesting article from 1982 in the Notre Dame Law Review entitled "Anonymity in Civil Litigation: The Doe Plaintiff" by Wendy M. Rosenberger that goes through the reasons and mechanics surrounding anonymous plaintiffs.
Actually she's a cute 12 year old girl. Nice try though.
Australian guy here. An outside perspective. You guys are ridiculous.
It seems from the initial post, and from a great many of he posts here, that you are all desperately trying to read something in to CNN's point that they've seen the guy move on, and they're not going to identify him at this stage, because presumably they feel that this particular part of the whole violence against journalists issue is played out. It is not a threat.
Seriously, you guys need to get some perspective.
I thought Mario Cuomo could have been Pres... back in the 1980s. Seems he didn't want it. He would have been way better than say Dukakis or Mondale. Just google cuomo 1984 speech.
Only according to CNN, but they gave a waiver in this case because they don't like the President.
And they're still getting posted daily on image sites. It is indeed free advertising though - you keep thanking people for the free advertising whenever a copy or two of the hundreds get posted here. What sucks lately is it's all been variations on "I'm a shitty worker don't hire me, here's a link to my slashdot account" - and they are not nearly as funny. They do make sure you'll stay at that 50k/year salary and have a harder time finding a job. That is funny.
You've convinced yourself of all that magic funnel fake money so much, you've actually traded real future employment opportunities for it, albeit shitty ones. That's one beautiful business plan you have there.
I think I've got communist followers of my posts.
They say specifically and clearly that they hadn't talked to them before the apology.
Because saying "If you do this crime we'll imprison you" is ALSO coercion, plain and simple.
Which is bad, m'kay?
Retard.
Great speech.
He would have had a better chance than Mondale or Dukakis. Don't know if he would have won though.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
What in the actual fucking fuck reality do we live in anymore?
A news outlet. Is threatening to expose the personal information of an anonymous citizen. To the entire world. For expressing his or her free speech. He made a joke ,.gif showing the president VIA REAL FOOTAGE, FAKE WRASSLIN, Vince McMahon, ONE OF HIS CLOSE PERSONAL FRIENDS AND BUSINESS PARTNERS.
That is fair use. That is satire. There's nothing remotely illegal or defamatory or libellous about it.
Making a gif of the CNN logo being wrestled is in no way the same thing as threatening violence.
Threatening to expose the personal information to 7 billion people on the internet, of the person who made the joke .gif, is in EVERY WAY sufficient to threaten to accuse another person of a crime or to expose a secret that would result in public embarrassment or ridicule.
See how that works here? CNN is the one at fault. Not the racist shithole.
More like "Hi! I have pictures that prove you have a 'girl on the side'; do you want me to show them to your wife? No? OK, then please stop seeing that girl or your wife will receive the pictures."
I don't see that CNN acknowledged that identifying the guy would put him in danger. Apparently, the guy really doesn't want to be identified for undisclosed reasons. It's quite possible that the guy would suffer harm if identified, and Slashdot groupthink on that is "You put it on the net, you idiot! Shame on you!" The guy apparently proposed an agreement for anonymity, and CNN has pointed out that violating that agreement will result in removal of anonymity. CNN has not threatened him over anything else.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
Then they should have published his info, not threaten him. The threat is what makes CNN utter pieces of shit in this case. Do or do not, don't threaten.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and...
CNN also provided a statement to me in its defense: âoeCNN decided not to publish the name of the Reddit user out of concern for his safety...."
And the way you changed my example, in my opinion, that is still blackmail. "Him no longer seeing that girl" may be as valuable to you as some amount of money and you get that value by threatening somebody with an action, that, while legal on its own, would cause damage to him. For all I know, you want to see that girl yourself and the pictures are just a way to make your competition go away. So, in my opinion, demanding that he stop seeing the girl (or stopped posting pro-Trump messages) is the same as demanding money or services.
The way I see it, this is wrong whether the initial action is legal or not. If you saw somebody commit a crime, you have to report it to the authorities (or not, if you consider the law to be wrong), not blackmail him. If what you saw was legal, then it is none of your business and using evidence of it to extract money, services or anything of value to you and him (including stopping some action) is wrong. After all, otherwise where would the line be? Stop posting pro-Trump videos? Stop driving an inefficient car? Stop owning a gun?
I also wonder if CNN would have done the same, if the Reddit user had made an anti-Trump video or used Fox News logo instead of CNN logo.
So lets say they publish his info.
Whats next? He should sue them. But what are the direct consequences for him? Will they publish it with an instigation to kill him or what's the threat here?
you should really read what a meme is.
hint: A photoshopped image is not automatically a meme.